What's the end game of a gnostic?

Abrahamics want to get to heaven, Desis want to either reincarnate up or escape the cycle.

If the reality we know is some shitty demiurge created hell, then what exactly am I supposed to give a shit about, then?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They want to become one with the One or live amongst the the emanations depending on sect. Some Hindus want to live in a loka with their God. Some Hindu like purva-mimasa want to live with the gods forever and do Vedic ritual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ISKCON has the comfiest heaven out of all religions, God is a literal Blue Boy who plays around doing pranks in a forest full of cows

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Pleroma is called the "fullness", not "oneness".
      In fact, I think I'm going to start making that distinction more often, because too many people think the answer is giving up the self to seek oneness, but if oneness is what you ARE then you will only find it by seeking what you are.

      So any truth to the idea of "oneness" is going to be very different from how the human mind interprets the idea. "Fullness" is probably a much better description.

      https://i.imgur.com/O1mUjf5.jpeg

      Abrahamics want to get to heaven, Desis want to either reincarnate up or escape the cycle.

      If the reality we know is some shitty demiurge created hell, then what exactly am I supposed to give a shit about, then?

      To return to the Pleroma. You can think of it as the same general idea of a "heaven" except that it's just base-reality beyond all illusions, and not some special reward you have to earn.
      It's the other way around, and the fact that we're not aware the Pleroma now is because we've fallen into a state of ignorance.

      Here's a good example I like to use to show the gnostic view, because it's so simple but difficult to explain it for some reason.
      Imagine someone stabs you in the stomach with a knife. The gnostic view is that your problem isn't the person who stabbed you, your problem is that your state of being _allowed_ you to be stabbed in the first place.

      Gnostics don't seek liberation from "evil", they seek liberation from that of which "evil" is a consequence.
      To put it another way, they don't seek liberation from things IN the world, they seek liberation from the very CONTEXT of the world itself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is true, I said oneness but it it is a substantial or essential fullness. I was thinking more Plotinus, where there are infinite attributes of the fullness. One climbs from ignorance to knowledge of the fullnesss.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Effectively they believe this universe is a soul trap of sorts, and was created in error - however, humans carry a 'spark' (spiritually) of the legitimate 'pleroma' (meaning fullness) within this false reality and by achieving gnosis (knowledge of the true nature of nature of reality) they gain the capability of eluding the wardens stopping humans escape from this reality back to be reunited with the pleroma we are originally from.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the active destruction of an inferior plagiarist universe enabled by escape from it, possibly to further enable destroying those outside who allowed it to persist for so long through negligence

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/UYQSISt.png

      So nothing matters? Endless illusion or destruction? Are there consequences?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Truthism site was taken down, but it got some archived links https://web.archive.org/web/20080108043340/http://www.truthism.com/

        It's mostly copypasted work from Amitakh Stanford, can also be found in Xeeatwelve Blogspot.
        For Hylics, they have no spirit or soul, and will be simply destroyed or sent to Kenoma together with Yaldabaoth. Psychics are said to have soul, it is possible that they can be saved, or reborn in some ways. And Pneumatics have soul and spirit, said to achieve gnosis easily and are here to help or guide the others.

        Later I found about Chaos Gnosticism, thanks to the band Dissection, an even more extreme version of Gnosticism.
        Some of its teachings.

        https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Heartshrink/finding-the-keys-to-chaos-anti-cosmic-black-and-death-metal/

        https://themetagame23.wordpress.com/tag/chaos-magick/

        https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/87146/f9e8589e451ec46e8a999ac46730e3c7.pdf?1363263489

        Instead of believing in Aeons, Christ/Logos, Sophia, etc. They worship Chaotic Gods (whatever the hell they are even supposed to be) to torture or kill the cosmics gods, including Yaldabaoth himself.
        Everything is part of the creation, or a bigger mystery beyond the Gnostic belief. See Adam Apollo's Unified Matrix

        http://adamapollo.info/sacred_knowledge/unified_harmonic_matrix/

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism and Christianity used to be one and the same. 2 Corinthians 4:4 bluntly states Satan is the god of this world in some translations. Modern ones leave that out entirely. I wonder why?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be released.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A gnostic knows his true nature and liberates himself thus, he being the highest God. But It has to be experienced, not mentioned. Thus gnostics being the highest God, go to the highest place in the afterlife. But only if gnosis is obtained. In this respect, it's similar to hindu and buddhist religion.

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