What is magic to you, can you give me a definition of magic that a fool can understand?
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What is magic to you, can you give me a definition of magic that a fool can understand?
Things and concepts at the edge of reality — and credulity. The bizarre and the spooky, mysteries, cryptozoology, weird coincidences, aliens, esoteric knowledge, truths with horrific implications, ghosts, and whatever else seems to fit.
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to me, magic is being open to mystery in the universe, the sole moment of opening up to your dreams, of believing something impossible can happen, and working towards it, thats magic
to bypass the limits of reality and converse with it directly
If reality and life is a constant unfolding and arranging of probabilities, magic is the ability influence the probability to your liking using your Will and mind or with the help of other spiritual entities.
If you want to win the lottery you need to enhance the probability that you pick the right numbers, random draw or whatever factors that would make you the winner.
Or you could just scry the future and see what the winning lottery numbers are instead of using all that effort to influence RNG.
Its just as much about using your brain and growing in wisdom than just power
Intention, theres alot of thoughtforms. But something as simple as thinking "the universe is my will, I wish to be rich" then seeking extra hours/putting in effort to match the intention. I'm scared of my soul being rugpulled by a thoughtform so I'm rather simple and homebrew. Your soul has power, glancing at the walmart logo gives that sigil power(match it up to the star of david). You need to be intent about your energy and you can steer your life because you are the all, and the all is you. As above so below.
Does anyone has the link to that grimoire torrent. It was like 60 gigs of pdfs
Search for any of the /omg/ threads in 4plebs and the first post should have it. Not sure why there isn't one today.
Its actions followed by results. Proficiency in naivity
The Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will
We can all read books and parrot sayings. Please try to think for yourself
The foolish don't need to understand magic to use it.
Wave particle duality quantum effects. Scary stuff really. Most simply: love is magic
Magic is philosophy and the unfolding of internal paradigms through the cultivation of insight. What most people call magic is typically sorcery.
The universe tends to conform to human desires. If you get enough people to believe a thing, the universe will comply to it, somewhat. The easiest example of this is memes. People put Trump in office because the collective psychic energy of the amusement over that being possible, made it happen.
It is the understanding and ability to manipulate the unseen magnetic fields that intertwine every single thing in the universe.
Holy shit a real answer
Magic is a placebo effect to unlock your natural psychic abilities.
It is at it's most fundamental mind power. Ceremonial magick is that with a lot of extra steps. The history of religion throughout the world is full of people doing magick. We've just been told that we are not allowed to do the same things as those "heroes" in the texts. The end result is that people tend to be afraid to step outside the box and in most cases only the most ignorant or brave people tend to do so. One good example of someone who was a powerful wizard in the past is Moses. This is something most people will laugh at, but it's true. He used the power of his mind and the neter of Egypt to free a small band of Hibiru. He then applied the inverted Egyptian magick to the Canaanite gods Yahweh, Asarte, and Ba'al. Guess what happened later? Yeah they changed his story because Persians taught them about Ahura Mazda and other things.
When you think "God this screaming child in the coffee house annoys me, kinda wish his dad would take him and leave", and 30 seconds later they put their coats on and left.
Not enough? "God this big pair of breasts there a couple of tables away is pissing me off, wish I could milk them or they'd frick off or something", and someone else comes to block the view which only 10 seconds later becomes extra lewd and horn inducing.
Too lusty? "Dang it's bright, can't see through these dirty eye-muscle-training glasses, some rain would be nice", and 5 minutes later it's showering for the rest of the day until I get home and don't need it anymore.
I've experienced all these things in just the last week.
Its when harry potter shoots lasers out his wand
Fibre internet.
Mostly physical actions to interact with non-physical aspects of reality, e.g. draw a magic circle, burn some incense, call forth a spirit. Another example of that would be creating a talisman or amulet, i.e. calling forth a spirit to install some small part of its essence in a physical object. Yet another example would be the use of physical objects like tarot cards or cowrie shells to divine the future. A contrast to magic would be purely mental approaches, like meditation, channeling, astral projection, remote viewing, etc.
Level 1: Magic is spooky action at a distance.
Level 2: Magic is any action that produces a result you desire.
Level 3: Magic is a process of uniting your being with reality itself. Enacting changes on reality is merely a side effect of this.
>gamified definition a la psychonaut field manual
This is a matrix larp that's often repeated by overconfident morons who'd bend over in pain if shot with rubber bullets. Get bricked.
It's common for mystical knowledge to be separated into levels signifying how advanced the knowledge is. This has nothing to do with a game.
its all a game
If some Black person shot you in the head, you would die just like anyone else. There's no "uniting your being" with the Black person. You basement dwelling armchair pseuds are delusional.
Magic, if anything, is the understanding of a fool.
Phenomena that cant be reduced to deterministic models
Essentially nothing in the universe
elaborate ritual prayer to basically any entity that may or may not exist and may or may not be listening
In my humble opinion I define Magic as;
>A science which has rules and principles that if adhered to produce sought after results
Ultimately Magic is a Science like any STEM field, it has its;
- Rules
- Guidelines
- Theories
- Etc.
Magic is also possible to be seen as a form of ‘language’ (like Math) which allows a Mage to communicate with the Universe.
There is nothing “supernatural” about Magic, it is but of system of cause and effect like any other STEM field,
Mage does X on Y to obtain Z
This is a moronic take. There's no reproducibility in magic nor mathematical proofs. If there were, there wouldn't be magicians going on forums and asking their peers "how come I didn't get the same results as you even though I did everything the same as you?".
>This is a moronic take
to you, maybe. but I don't base my understanding on the opinions of others, especially not those here on EerieWeb.
>There's no reproducibility in magic nor mathematical proofs.
now I understand why your ignorant views are what they are,
You neither understand magic nor mathematics.
If what you said was true, then grimoires which teach one how to conjure spirits wouldn't work for anyone, but because they do - that alone proves your ignorance. let alone when considering mathematical proofs.
> If there were, there wouldn't be magicians going on forums and asking their peers "how come I didn't get the same results as you even though I did everything the same as you?"
most of those types of posts usually are from individuals such as yourself, who don't understand magic, try to produce results with the underlying belief structure being a disbelief in magic.
to further expound upon this, a lot of those types of questions are from individuals who don't understand that Spirits come to man based on his character.
But again, I understand there are ignorant individuals such as yourself who know nothing about the subjects you're criticizing. and that's perfectly fine, doesn't negate nor render my answer invalid or "wrong".
>If what you said was true, then grimoires which teach one how to conjure spirits wouldn't work for anyone, but because they do
That isn't how the rationale works. If what I said was true, then the grimoires would "work" for some people, but not others. Precisely as I said here
. You're an intellectually dishonest Black person.
>That isn't how the rationale works. If what I said was true, then the grimoires would "work" for some people, but not others. Precisely as I said here
. You're an intellectually dishonest Black person.
Based on your ignorance, improper usage of "rationale" and your absolute limited and abysmal vocabulary, I fully don't expect you to understand anything beyond ignorance, hate and slurs.
Sorry Anon, we're not going to be able to communicate as my IQ is fortunately not as low as yours, but when you elevate yourself - I'm here to chat with you.
Lol and based on your improper attempt to "elevate" magic to the status of a science, you're a moronic Black person. Not only does magic lack reproducibility, there's a bunch of variables surrounding it that you can't detect nor quantify nor measure. Keep talking like you're superior. You neither fool me nor intimidate me.
not sure why my belief on the definition of Magic offends you so much you have to resort to slur words but I'll just chalk it up to you being low iq'd and anger being the best way to display your inability to understand easily explained things.
I sincerely hope you feel better anon.
>claims magic and science are the same
>is repeatedly shown he's wrong
>tries to use the word Black person as a distraction tactic
LMAO you are a dumb Black person masquerading as an armchair magician, useless on both counts.
>then grimoires which teach one how to conjure spirits wouldn't work for anyone
lol they don't work for *everyone* either and i have doubts about people on /omg/ who glibly claim success
ok
I like you.
>he likes himself
Gay.
Yeah, people don't all get the same results even if they all use the same methods and protocols.
Likening magic to science is just dumb. People do it to give magic an veneer of legitimacy it doesn't need.
It's almost as dumb as trying to box every human into a psychological matrix product where you can identify humans as convenient options you studied, when you've never met some people who are far more experienced than those your studies were based upon.
>muh servitors
>muh egregores
I can be cool with any model of magic as long as the person discussing them isn't trying to make it like the ONLY model that's true.
One of my friends, an avowed atheist, faced the wrong direction and conjured the spirit anyway and had great results. To his own surprise, no less.
While I, the nerd who studies a grimoire for a year and obsesses over every detail, can't even get vague shadow figures to show up.
considering how much marketing uses psychology to its advantage I think they do get more than a few things right anon...
nta but using psych tricks to manipulate people into making certain decisions isn't magic - it's just manipulation
like pua crap or "dark psychology" crap
Non-physical power. Art is a form of magic. The societal Panopticon is magic. Putting on a safety vest and carrying a clipboard to sneak in places you're not allowed is magic.
Downloading ideas from the world brain.
Using sustained focus (and some more downloading) to materialize these ideas through cause and effect.
Not very supernatural if you ask me other than the download part.
Connecting with the source of reality imagination via faith to access powers outside of reality think placebo
But people truly underestimate The value of placebo and it’s magical nature
Magic is law of attraction at its simplest.
But maybe anyone can do that. The thing is that those ones worthy of God, would be called doing miracles, if not worthy, it’s probably from Satan and therefore magick
>What is magic to you, can you give me a definition of magic that a fool can understand?
a waste of time
You can have a thought in your head, and unless you tell me what that thought is, I won't know it.
Magic is a name given by common man to arts of shaping reality via practical application of it's broader understanding. These are, of course natural laws every and all, as real as gravity but the forces at play are outside the scope of modern science.
Causing things to happen by nonphysical means
Affecting the universal consciousness field
Colorful geometry! 🙂
It's convincing yourself of whatever you want.
Magical practices can sometimes work in this world. Learn as much as you can it and it might work for you.
convincing reality it should align with your consciousness, just for a moment, instead of the collective consciousness.
Bruh, why do so many magicians in this thread sound alternately like Deepak Chopra or Dean Radin?
I don't know what either of them sound like. Can you explain this?
the former is verbosely vacuous
and the latter tries to fit the occult and paranormal into the framework of scientific rigor... i guess?
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It's about willfully producing changes in consciousness. It's just the universe is also conscious.
Directed intent.
>pissing into a urinal without mucking up the floor is magic
yea
It's just another search for the truth and a set of knowledge and beliefs. Magick and the Paranormal are beliefs. Magick is any rite, ritual, intention, experiment, ceremony, practice, prayer, blessing, cursing, request, or contemplation that is used to ask a Higher power (HGA) or god to grant you something that you want; it's also using your Will to effect a psychic, paranormal, probability, supernatural change, or wish fulfillment.
To me, it's when everything goes beyond explanation. Like sciences or maths can't define it. Maybe ignorance is magic.
Reality manipulation forward and backward in time where you are the axis fulcrum on which time rotates.
That is as broadly specific as i can make it.
There are 7 fundamental elements. One of it is "the force". It is a cosmic force that can be used to do "supernatural" things (they're actually natural too, just not all beings are able to do it). Some beings have a natural talent to use the force, others can learn it (to some degree). This knowledge is kept by the secret societies. It can be said there is a "dark" and a "light" side of it (even if it is the same force in both cases).
"Real magic is human belief". It's essentially the upper limits of the Will
Going against cause and effect.
Normally, everything that happens, was caused by something happening before, and effects cause things to happen.
With magic, things happen without a cause, except the magic.
Magic is just a word people use when somebody can't figure out the mystery that they have just witnessed. But it's all quite simple really. Actual magic is just transmutation.
For example, transmuting hydrogen into gold.
To anyone else unaware of what's actually happening it would appear to be magic, since you have just essentially popped a piece of gold out of thin air to them.
Everything in nature is simple. Nature is never complex. Achieveing such things can be accomplished via implosion/plasma tech.
Soul energy (speech, actions etc that becomes consciousness or experience) to Time that is everywhere as everybody that takes input from timeless - Now through other mortals ( (realm of body, that is self aware) and dopplegangers of Time that are sentient (like universe that is entity of matter as air, heat, water and earth) or like stone earth).
it's wishful thinking that makes you look at coincidences in life that you'd otherwise not have noticed and think you made them happen
I can almost see you tipping your fedora as you clicked "post".
wow you must have strong visualization skills I bet you're great at magic
Nah, that's just visualization. It might make you great at meditation.
>wishful thinking
Skill issue. I don't romanticize magick, so to me there's hardly anything "wishful" about it, it's just another skill like carpentry or plumbing.
>doesn't romanticize magic so much that he spells it with a k
Again: skill issue, if you don't get it you don't get it.
>skill issue
NTA but lol this is an old /omg/ troll. It dumps the burden of elucidation back on the skeptic, and reveals none of the gaps in knowledge or practice on the speaker's part. You have no magic.
>NTA but lol this is an old /omg/ troll. It dumps the burden of elucidation back on the skeptic
Yep, it sure does.
>and reveals none of the gaps in knowledge or practice on the speaker's part.
Yep, it sure does.
Yep. You mad?
No, but you clearly are. Lmao bruh, you're pathetic.
>No u
Cope and seethe, frens
>doesn't actually have any magic
>is mad about it
>It dumps the burden of elucidation back on the skeptic
Well yeah, that's how it works. The burden IS on you; no one here is going to carry it for you.
Nah, the burden is on the pseud trying to sound mysterious.
Bruh, you the one seethin hard. But I can understand how larpers would be frustrated if no one believes their larp. Cope harder.
>Bruh, you the one seethin
Okay but at the end of the day, I know magick and you do not. And I will continue to spell it with a k and you can die mad about it.
>has no magic
>seethes when someone points out the obvious
So this is your plan? You're going to ask everyone to explain magic to you and then be all like "huhuh seethe" when they don't cast pearls before swine? Okay, good luck and have fun with that. And I mean, sincerely, unironically, non-sarcastically... have fun, since I can't imagine what else you're getting out of this.
>i dun cast pearls before swine, bro
LMAO another nothing statement. You're a larper full of words but no magic.
>Suiiiuiiiieeeeeeee
Good piglet, here, have an acorn. Jesus loves you.
>more seething from the magician who totally has magic and has nothing to lose in an argument with an internet rando
Lol how desperately do you need this, bro?
Jesus loves you. Why does that statement make you angry?
>i have been humiliated and will now live my life as a christian
>reee reee reee reee
Lol the thread went from definitions of magic to "Jesus loves you, bro
Well.... He does. I don't know why that bothers you so much, but peace
jesus loving us is your definition of magic?
weak sauce... also off topic
Nta but if "Jesus loves you" causes you this much distress then I can't even imagine what regular magical practice would do to your brain.
also nta but even more nta than you...
jesus loves you is still off topic
"Pearls before swine" isn't a nothing statement sir, it's in the Bible.
Nope, the burden is on no one but yourself. Ain't no one gonna spoon-feed you, and passing the buck onto others is a recipe for disaster.
entry level - I use the k because that's how I've seen it
intermediate level - I use the k because crowley told me to
advanced level - I don't use the k because it's kind of anti-simetic
EXPERT - I don't use the k because it looks moronic
What about "I use the k because Agrippa used it"?
Don't worry, I'll wait while you google who that is.
Not that anon but K or no K the term "magic" has become a perverted conflation even in the hands of Agrippa and Crowley, the K just adds an extra inconsequential layer of cringe.
If i see someone using the term "magic" a certain way i can create a rough profile about their background in occultism, but it becomes even more apparent when they use the K, i can tell what they've studied/read and how their paradigm operates and i personally avoid interaction with people of the K because they've proven to be a waste of time to interact with in my experience.
So Crowley and Agrippa are a "waste of time"? The shit these hylics say, damn...
Agrippa was a compiler and was useful in profiling earlier sources.
Crowley was a performative edgelord and more interested in getting high and getting a reaction out of people.
The fact that you even put these two together in the same sentence signifies what a poser you are.
>So Crowley and Agrippa are a "waste of time"?
They are now, for me, i learned things from reading them (things unrelated to "magic"), but i'm done reading them and in a context where we're discussing "magic", yes, i consider them a waste of time.
In any case my comment was mostly directed towards the general audience that uses the K, there's nothing of use to derive from them in a magical context, when it comes to me.
>entry level - I use the k because that's how I've seen it
>intermediate level - I use the k because crowley told me to
>advanced level - I don't use the k because it's kind of anti-simetic
>EXPERT - I don't use the k because it looks moronic
>PRO EXPERT
it's not magic but just another materialist science and the consequence of an aspect of physical reality that we have poorly explored so far. The real spirituality is just some overlay that we interpret as something special but out there no one considers it very special. Through inhaling immense amounts of copium and self delusion and immense notions of grandeur do we delude ourselves into thinking it's something otherworldly and special.
I use the same definition Crowley used: The art and science of producing change in conformity with will. Usually via manipulation of subtle forces unknown to (modern) science.
>magic(k) is when you go out in the desert and bully neuberg into fricking you in the ass
To me its something that we cannot directly understand given our modern liberal materialist conception of reality. The way i intuitively think of it is with a psychological model, that it has to do with the psyche and how we fit in with the rest of everything. Further, using the psychological model as a backdoor i expand on it further and invert the mainstream view on things like 'demons were just mental illnesses' to 'mental illnesses are actually demons', to unlock the ability to use old techniques and understandings when interacting with the mystical.
This is a surrogate understanding, as i am forced to conceptualize it as 'those people back then actually knew and understood this view and we have just stupidly decided to change word meanings'. The actual truth is that they had a different conception entirely but that is simply impossible for me to grasp since i have the modern day sensibilities implanted into me.
Nevertheless i think this view does actually open the door to that part of what i think is the mind which may well be something else entirely. I view magic in the modern era to be heavily about this kind of self manipulation. Whether that was always magic or whether we are crippled by and this is just a hack to allow parts of my psyche to not reject it i dont know. Either way something akin to chaos magic is the result where i merely believe there is some part of me deep down where this stuff is natural and i must weave around the parts of me that will reject it. So ritual manipulation of my own senses and reinforcing belief becomes the central practice.
I believe magic is highly tied to both spoken and written words. It is called spellwork after all.
Invocations or "Vibrations" are indeed a crucial element. Remember who Thoth was and why he was so famous? Remember the whole thing with Jesus being the Word? We could also reference Odin's runes I guess, but this is a bit of a tangent.
Ultimately, both written and spoken word are fundamental to Magic(k). Speaking and writing are both alchemizations of our internal thought processes. Giving us a structure to communicate those ideas offers us a pathway which which to make physical alterations on our environments, whether that's crying through this medium, using the keys on our key boards, or it's vibrating the air with our vocal cords or it's writing with ink on paper, such that we can manifest Word, which is how we transmit our ideas into the physical realm (among other things, obviously).
Should be scrying.
If I had to define it, I'd say it's a metaphorical or symbolic alignment to physical matter or mental processes as a result of Mental-Spirital exertion. However, my view is that a strong majority of Magic(k) is mental alchemy. I'm not really sold on the Siddhis ideas.
Making a change in your subjective universe in order to affect the objective universe. Rituals, meditation, LoA are all examples of this