Is it possible for free will to operate independently of the universes governing principles?

Is it possible for free will to operate independently of the universe’s governing principles? Does consciousness possess the autonomy to contravene the predetermined trajectory dictated by these cosmic laws? If this is the case, we must ponder the essence of consciousness. How can it transcend the natural order unless it embodies an entity akin to a ‘soul’?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These questions are not as significant as they feel. We do not need to ponder them at all. You likely are limiting your ability to ponder by filling your musings with so many mental compulsions that you miss the obvious.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the obvious? If I may ask.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shouldn’t have to ask. Face your fear.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't like this existence.
        >I want it to change.
        >the easiest way to do this would be, using a reality manipulation ability.
        >How do I develop something like this?
        >The easiest way to have one, is to already have one.
        >How do I use it? The easiest way to use it would be viewing reality as being within my mind or emanating from it.
        >So, I can manipulate it as I manipulate thing sin my mind.
        >But nothing happened!
        >Why? I'll try doing something else with it then

        *You will eventually come upon an instance in which it provides effect, just not to a satisfying degree.
        >Ah! So it does work, I just have to make it more powerful!
        >I'll use it for that purpose.
        ;p

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I've been using it to make itself more powerful for a while now, and it's been incredible!
          >I'll keep going!
          >holy shit wow I've exited reality and am free of all suffering, it was literally this fricking easy the entire time?????

          :v

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it possible for free will to operate independently of the universe’s governing principles?
    no. You are god's property. All existence blows and the only other alternative is death aka non existence. If you want to get something better god will be pissed. the last thing god wants you to be is happy or fulfilled because then you'd never want to leave samsara.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but it is very limited. You have one choice.
    Accept you are always under control.
    Choose to ignore this and delude yourself into thinking you have agency.
    This is your free choice.
    It doesn't affect a thing, which is why it is free.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Determinism and free will are just conditions. It's hypocritical of me to say go beyond those two conditions because afterwards argument won't continue. I believe that everything needs to have counter argument in order to create paradox. State of is and isn't to abide law of duality. However determinism and free will is based on your own perspective. If you think universe is already determined so be it if it isn't so be it too. I like to think it's both, you grow up with certain genetics which are determined but what you do with them it's up to you. Nom I'm sayin my nig

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know what I came to the conclusion of? It's a circle of the infinitesimal grouping up together to form a whole, the millions of cells in your body on their own are worthless. Now group them up as a whole and they form a human body. The universe by itself is nothing, but the infinitesimal things which are grouped up inside of it. It is therefore the same thing as a consciousness; the grouping up of infinitesimally small, yet finite number, of individual energies and vibrations to form a whole. Rinse and repeat for everything

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a silly question as there is no difference between consciousness and the universe. Free will is built into this universe, it is a law of it. The natural order you speak of only applies to this reality matrix, but consciousness extends beyond this.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Free will might be possible if consciousness collapses the wavefunction.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >to contravene the predetermined trajectory dictated by these cosmic laws?
    The laws are not even predetermined, you're using an outdated view of the world, even scientifically it's not predetermined.

    The most accurate and rigorously tested theory of all time (quantum mechanics) literally has nondeterminism at its core. It's usually swept under the rug by calling it "true random" but when you get right down to it "true random" IS non-determinism.
    Think about it, "random" is not an explanation at all (random number generators in your computer use thermal processes because they're "random" but that doesn't mean "random" is a description of thermodynamics, it's a description of statistics).
    "Random" is a statement that we cannot practically DETERMINE the outcome of something... So then what does "true random" mean? "True random" means you truly cannot determine the outcome in any way.

    This has also been experimentally verified (see bell's theorem/experiment).

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Vicar-Devil

    There is a variable amount of free will going into all life's outcomes. It only really presents as provable when we have a decision to make that we are balancing on and do not know the right answer, then we use the coin flip of our undeveloped free will to establish result.

    When the universal source lets us up to test our free will potential we are left in a relatively new and unfamiliar mindset. Currently my free will states:
    "What is the situation? There is no situation"

    If left in this state for a significant amount of time there is potential that one would desire to create a situation of one's own design, but human souls/minds are young and weak because they are systematically milled through reality without full control over absolute free will.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Vicar-Devil

      So as you can see the question of free will inside a systematic counterintelligence to ultimate free will is not really relevant. The freedom from a system is the freedom of free will.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Vicar-Devil

      >"What is the situation? There is no situation"

      The human pre-occupation with peace of mind, vs the 'allowed freedom' of agents of chaos who coinflip the reality of their choosing into effect.

      Both are naive, yet appealing to the young.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Durr how stand against gravity. Free will lie
    Literally you

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also you mistake free will (action at ones own discretion) with absolute will (your desire is law)

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Vicar-Devil

    >Is it possible for free will to operate independently of the universe’s governing principles?

    So, in conclusion:
    Whilst it is possible for free will to operate outside of the boundaries imposed whilst still in the system, The effect is as likely to be negative in relativistic rebound as positive due to the inability to map variables and focus will accordingly. Agents of chaos are merely toying with a system that responds with a statistically probable unlikelihood of the intended outcome.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly is free will? Is there a clear definition?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Vicar-Devil

      >free will
      The layman interpretation:

      Free will is the capacity or ability to choose between different possible courses of action. A biker performing a dirt jump that, according to some interpretations, is the result of free will.

      An alternate interpretation:

      The effort of the mind to achieve a variable inside said mind or outside said mind that corresponds directly to perfect freedom of thought.

      The nature of reality shows true free will inside of a mind's efforts before it shows effective application of it outside of the mind.

      If you can have an adaptive and un-evidenced thought that is different from any input you have had in your life/dreams, then you can prove free will. The plausibility of this is not a current objective of even free thinkers, because it is difficult for a primarily influenced mind to achieve.

      Any free will can be momentarily acquired as perceptually of a different source in hindsight when advanced enough to comprehend the factors involved in the functions of this system So whilst you can prove you have free will with effort (possibly taking seconds or decades) You can later be victim to believing you never had it unless you adopt the belief that variable free will is the truth.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okhay so what difference does it make whether the underlying RNG follows a steady track or not?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Vicar-Devil

          I would have to say the effectiveness of proving free will would be greater on a steady track.

          Beyond that, I have not thought about RNG at all. In fact I am assuming what you mean.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, only a fool believes they can change anything. That's called delusions

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