Things and concepts at the edge of reality — and credulity. The bizarre and the spooky, mysteries, cryptozoology, weird coincidences, aliens, esoteric knowledge, truths with horrific implications, ghosts, and whatever else seems to fit.
Things and concepts at the edge of reality — and credulity. The bizarre and the spooky, mysteries, cryptozoology, weird coincidences, aliens, esoteric knowledge, truths with horrific implications, ghosts, and whatever else seems to fit.
yes and no
you can turn away
i turn with you
you can invert
don't ask what happens
>yes and no
>yes and yes but i can't eat the garnish
no, i have free will to call people homosexuals, thats good enough for me
Describe what you mean by free will first.
In a sense that, do we really have power over the choices we make in this life?
are you making the choices? you have free will, but you are also free to give it away
if you dont exercise conscious awareness in your decisions, you are not using free will
yeah we dont have perfect control of ourselves, we get road rage, loose control etc, the fact that we can loose our will in moments, doesnt negate its existence
the point of awareness in our form, is that its not permanent, we have a veil of awareness, but we do have free will
you have free will in the short term but not the long term. destiny will course correct you
thats a nice way to think about it I agree, thanks!
That could be agential free will or paleo-compatibilism. That is as an agent you cause your actions. Even if there is no real nature or essence to you as an agent. Think Buddhism for example where there is no you to be free to begin with.
This is libertarian free will.
This is compatibilism. This is a view like the Catholic Church.
Nature vs nurture.
thank you academia bro
Nondeterministic decision making mediated by the soul itself
I think our mere existence is a matter of numbers and chance, as is every decision we make.
This is possible this just means everything is contingent and probabilistic. This means all truths ultimately are made of inductive arguments. Some views of reality without any substances would entail this.
Perhaps
Free will = doing whatever you want.
We can't do whatever we want so we aren't free.
literally this, we are physically bound from doing whatever we want.
It can be an illusion to some extent but isnt really
Obviously it's an illusion. If it was real then everyone would be skinny just because they use their free will to stop eating. Everyone would just force themselves to study/train until they are at a peak condition. You can master your mind but we aren't born with free will. The person will free will can do anything at all times just because they decide they want to do it in that moment. Fears no longer exist and temptation has no powers. Even the most devoted monk might fear giving up their religious beliefs once they get to the point where they can withstand long periods of fasting or intense pain. They might rebel against doing horrific acts just for the sake of doing them or helping a monster of a human who represents everything that they hate.
No, free will is not an illusion and is very, very real.
However, most of the people who fall into the "determinism" trap, or the "it's all a bunch of randomness" trap do not understand what freedom is, nor do they understand the concept of will.
essentially, you will not know what free will actually means until you've seen *it*
I won't spoil the surprise, but yeah. free will does exist. most people are afraid of what that entails, so they run away from the idea and instead live a life of denial. most of your self-proclaimed smart people are in denial, most of the heroes of philosophy were in denial as well.
like this guy, he's just a simple materialist, so it's no wonder he cannot see past the material and thus believes free will to not exist.
the gnostics are similar. they're an odd bunch, and remind us of the movie Kung Pow where the character Wimp Lo is taught incorrect martial arts as a joke.
that's pretty bold of you to make such claims. did you think that typing in all caps would make them seem more legitimate?
at least your picture holds some truth, einstein was not a israelite...he was a moron. the blind leading the blind.
anyway, I do not like what this place has become. enjoy your nobody psyop or whatever it is you are dressing up as your reality. it's cute, have fun but be careful of what that "nobody" is.
it's not what you think 🙂
peace and love, b***hes.
I feel evil spirits gnawing at me to take away my free will
there is free will and there is destiny
neither are absolute
Ur end fate is sealed but they way u get there is whatever you'd like. So technically it's both
I feel it's both of these. If you take a wrong path, you'll just need to backtrack. That's literally all karma is. You reach god/unity in the end, always.
I believe this is true. but i can't feel/trust it yet. I wish i knew what to do to trust this truth internally, instead of purely understanding it at an intellectual/superficial level. i deeply want to know that i can trust god/universe, and that it won't overpunish me for making simple/or even serious mistakes, but that all mistakes can be improved upon, instead of sending one's soul to an eternal hell where progress is permanently limited. hell should be a thing that shows me what i'm doing is wrong, not something that one falls into forever for fricking up past a certain line
Since this is a thread of free will, let me ask you this.
Let's say I wanted to manifest a specific person that I already know (e.g. ex or something). Would it be against their free will if I manifested them to love or like me? The cope I keep hearing from LoA general is that you're only manifesting a "version" of them that already loves you. It sounds like some BS multiverse theory, and I don't buy it? If there's no multiverse, and you're trying to get someone to like you through witchcraft, that's naturally against their free will, and there's bound to be karmic consquences for such actions (which is why entities will do something to you or someone else if you go doing this stuff too much).
you would have created a what if scenario and that creates a multiverse branch
You will incur karma thats all i can say
So it's not wise thing to do? I may have done some of it, once it succeeded (I think), other times I think it backfired.
>what no pussy does to mfer
also (
again), while maybe some karmic shit may or may not have happened, I feel like I've started to climb something. Either kundalini awakening, or kabbala climbing.
Limerence + (accidental) manifestation of an encounter with a specific person (might've been given to me by entities after I said something stupid to demiurge, "you're probably gonna use them to keep me here") , then some of my own failed attempts of manifestation more encounters -> sick for a week .. now I'm stuck in a limbo, can't decide whether I should keep trying to manifest more encounters with person, of if I should manifest some improvements for myself (that could hopefully help improve my chances with the said person?). Some say all of this is taxing on karma, while other's say that it's the result of faulty "inner model" or whatever (since so many of westerners get indoctrinated into abrahamic death cult ideology at very early age -> anything to do magic is to be "feared")
They have free will so they could decide to go with it or not. Most likely not if they don't already feel it.
No, by contrast determinism is entirely relient on the illusion of a single linear time
Most types of non-compatiblist determinism assuming a 17th century view of linear causation. The other group are largely theological determinists, like Calvinists or Muslims with Qadar. Basically, where God will things to happen.
Nope. Pilot wave. Everything happening now is dictated by what happened before and dictates what will happen next. You may seem to have a choice at a fork but only one outcome is possible. You can never take both paths.
why the frick are you posting Morpheus? He literally says over and over again that choice is the only thing humans have over robots. It was the core of the entire movie moron.
you don't know what you're gonna think next
does it really matter? it's not like you'll do anything differently once you get an answer
>does it really matter?
Oh yes, if there's no free will, then it's equivalent to there being a written book that tells your life, up until you die or something.
Is there a page on the book that has you sleeping with 3 girls? If not, then no matter what you do in life, that even will never happen, it's not in there and thinking you could do it is the illusion.
If free will exist, you can write in the book, and you can write yourself sleeping with three girls, and nothing can stop you from doing it.
The difference is clear, the argument used by the people that support determinism is that there was a previously a larger book that had you already writing that into your smaller book.
But that's cheating, it's like the thing where a suitcase has a million dollars or not and then there's a second suitcase that certainly has 1 dollar and if you get just one you get the million but if you're greedy and grab both for the extra dollar it's empty and you get only one dollar.
Determinism: You only see cases of greedy people getting one dollar and the empty suitcase, and ones getting the million with 1 suitcase, because the person filling them knew their destiny and what they would do for certain.
Free will: People would just flip a coin and sometimes when it has a million they'd grab both and end with a million and 1, because the guy above can't know the future.
Free will wins.
God says that the destiny of sinners is death. But he gave a path to life, so people can be saved, jesus said:
>Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
>And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand
God-fearing people of high moral character die young every day while George Soros still lives.
check this summary of the book of job:
soros in unfortunate in the fact that he has already entered into his eternity
that is okay because all cancers will soon be removed. he can have his fun while it lasts.
I could also quote what Haley Quinn said on her comics, or the dialogues from Chichi on the Dragon Ball Manga.
It would be as fictitious as your bible.
Illusions require freewill.
Free will is an illusion
Just like destiny
>Is free will an illusion, /x/?
Yes but it is the first illusion; the illusion that brought forth all other illusions.
Consciousness is the one and only thing that is real.
if free will exists as israelites claim:
it was created by the israeli god to give a man a choice: either be a god's drone and not suffer, or do the opposite of what god wants and suffer according to his plan. thus free will has no freedom in it.
Feedom only exists to do evil.
If you chose do right you follow a straight path without deviation. (The most correct way to do something, you kind of force yourself to do so)
But you are free* to take less optimal (wrong) path.
That is why its a battle of wills.
Satan wants you take a wrong path so it can entrap you into a circle and consume you.
No, but it is limited.
You have ONE choice.
Accept you are always under control.
Deny this and delude yourself that you are the doer.
This choice is completely free.
It affects nothing, which is why it can be made freely.
THERE IS ONLY ONE, SINGLE, BLATANTLY UNNATURAL, ARTIFICIAL, AND SYNTHETC IDEOLOGY I HATE FAR, FAR MORE THAN ANY OTHER...AND THAT, DEAR FRIENDS AND OPPS ALIKE, IS THE SO CALLED "FREEDOM OF THE WILL".
ONE CANNOT BELIEVE IN GOD *AND* FREE WILL IN SIMULTINAETY, AND IF ONE DOES NOT SEE THE MUTUAL EXCLUSIVITY OF THESE CONCEPTS THEN THEY ARE ENDANGERING THIER VERY SOUL!!!
FIRSTLY, OUR LORD IS OMNIPRESENT. GOD IS SO EVERYWHERE, ALL-PERVASIVE, AND UBIQUITOUS THAT..."THERE IS ONLY GOD", "ONLY GOD IS REAL", AND "GOD IS REALITY ITSELF".
GOD *LITERALLY IS* THE SUBSTRATE OF HUMAN IMAGINATION, AND BY EXTENTION THE WILL, IF NOT ONLY DUE TO HIS OMNIPRESENCE. BUT ALSO...
~THE LORD OUR GOD IS PROVIDENTIAL AND TOTALLY SOVEREIGN~
GOD CONTROLS ALL THINGS, HENCE THE 50th TRAIT...THE SUPREME CONTROLLER OF ALL UNIVERSES.
GOD ALSO KNOWS THE FUTURE PERFECTLY, SO HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU ARE FREE IF HE KNOWS EVERYTHING YOU WILL *EVER* DO BEFORE YOU EVEN DID IT???
"B-but God just knows all possibilities!1! He sees all the possible outco-"
CHECKMATE THO??? HOW MANY OUTCOMES ARE THERE, DESPITE "ENDLESS" CHOICES AND POSSIBILE OUTCOMES???
~O N E~
NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT, DESPITE ALL THE OPTIONS CONCIEVABLE, THERE IS ONLY ONE, CERTAIN OUTCOME AS "MANY OUTCOMES" IS STILL JUST ONE, SINGULAR OUTCOME.
INNATELY, NATURALLY, AND ORGANICALLY WE ARE *ALL* SLAVES TO THE *ACTIVE* WILL OF GOD, *AND GOD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SO-CALLED PERMISSIVE/PASSIVE WILL!!!*. TO THINK WE CAN GO AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD WITH "OUR OWN", AND THAT THERE IS SUCH THING AS A WILL INDEPENDENT FROM GOD'S, THIS IS THE *ONLY* THING I DEEM DEPLORABLE.
FREEDOM OF THE WILL IS THE ULTIMATE, SUPREME LIE, TAUGHT BY NONE OTHER THAN SATAN HIMSELF TO THE CHILDREN OF ADAM AND 1/3rd OF THE ANGELS TO SEDUCE THEM TO WALTZ INTO THE HELLFIRE WITH HIM!!!
Nah, that doesn't sit right.
This makes sense to me
no it doesn't
All your thoughts are mkultrad
it's not
To an extent.
There is one cooking pot that predeterminism can not find itself in the recipe though.
Blue Eisenhower November my friend, I wish you the best.
We have no choice but to have free will.
I think so.
Life is probability based determinism.
Whatever body you incarnate into is like a ride, you're strapped into it.
sine wave
anyone who knows the Truth will understand. if you don't understand the meaning behind my words, and think it is random nonsense... "what is this guy going on about?? sine wave?? I can't stand trigonometry!!!"
then you have much to learn.
doesn't organ produce sine waves? is that why early churches said it was instrument of the devil?
ride the wave.
but is that your "true self", or is that merely the forces of chaos trying to corrupt you? WH40k was quite the red pill
>red pill
ugh. it's all so tiring. take some "you time"
ok? just a little break, before you get into the nitty gritty.
do you wanna be the puppet of these forces, or master of your own fate?
>forces
lol. lmao.
no.
>master
>fate.
lol. lmao.
no.
you don't get it. drop the slave mentality. you need no rigidity where I lead you.
water can be a force of nature, or a source of life. it can support you, or destroy you. if you only see a force, then that is all you will react to.
if you only see a master mentality, then control is all you will desire.
drop the tough guy act, ok? there is no force, there is only what you need to hear. sometimes the truth hurts. the only thing that tries to "force" its way in, is a lie. everything else, is simply an act of nature.
can you read the seasons? can you read the times?
ebbs and flows. it's the way things go.
>there is only what you need to hear
sounds like AI hivemind crap
yeah, sure.
I'm literally trying to say that if you keep that mentality, of some sort of resistance dichotomy, then that is all that you will find.
even with your reply, you are perpetuating it.
if you can't see that, then i'm sorry but that is as far as you will go.
I've just learned to discern that wearing a mask isn't good
noice. happy to hear it.
well, I guess... happy to read it.
lol. get it? cus I read your post, not heard it.
Free will could exist of consciousness causes wave function collapse.
Of course free will is real. If it wasn't why do we have the illusion of choice. Something like picking what to eat for lunch wouldn't require you to think about what you "feel" like or what is your "favorite". It would be an automatic response without any thinking.
If there were no free will you would be an automaton. There would be no "thinking", only reaction. Like a computer program, if you give it input it can only give you one output.
In terms of do whatever you want being free will, that is also incorrect. We are limited by the rule-set of reality (physics) but we are free to choice within those limitations. Not having free will means 1 choice, therefore free will means having at least 2 choices. Most people are not aware enough to know they have more than 1 choice which is why they are simply unable to realize their own will.
Destiny is like the yellow brick road, everyone is on the same path ( unless you die and reincarnate on the red brick road) freewill is the speed, direction, hopping on and off the road.
in a dream, you are the dreamer, as well as the dream architect. to give free will to one would be to take it away from the other.
the thing which you desire to give free will to is only one half of the "you" that makes up "GOD"
dream explorer, as well as the dream architect, i should have said.
one conscious, the other uncounscious, both are simply two halfs of the same consciousness
(see Abraxas for more info)
pic rel
your gay chicken god can eat a dick
if "god" is like illuvatar from lord of the rings (the beneficent god from lord of the rings) then there is still a god above him, who is both good and evil according to the individual characters, and that would be J.R.R. Tolkien himself. I could be off, but this is what i'm currently channeling so to speak
It's a spectrum
we have so called 'options' that lets us reason we have 'free will', but these are also contained within the bigger illusion with already predetermined outcomes