How can a perfect God or Creator end up creating such an imperfect and evil reality like ours?

How can a perfect God or Creator end up creating such an imperfect and evil reality like ours?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only way you could possibly conclude reality imperfect is if you have experienced a real understanding of perfect reality? have you? can you demonstrate it?
    tldr your criteria for perfection are unstated, and probably poor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you have to experience cancer to know cancer exists

      moron argument. appeal to ignorance

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moronic criteria, based nothing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, hit yourself in the balls! No, really! You need to hit yourself in the balls really hard, else you won't experience the pain of being hit in the balls.

          Sounds moronic? Of course it does, but that's how the universe "works", to know how good sex feels, you need to be hot in the balls.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You just gave an argument for the Meta-Physical world, which is nothing, but perfect. You did this on accident didnt you.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't.
    oṁ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁ
    pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate
    pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya
    pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate
    >Isopanishad, Invocation: The Supreme is perfect and complete, and because It is completely perfect, all emanations from It, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because It is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from It, It remains the complete balance.
    You only see this place as imperfect and evil because you do not understand it's purpose.
    You think you are supposed the remain here, and be the main enjoyer.
    Neither is correct.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its imperfect from our perspective

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be me
      >get my arm chopped off
      >umm sweaty, you're not suffering, its just your perspective

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All of the shit you don’t like and all of your problems are caused by men.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who created man? Who created this specific world?

      Bonus round: Who created satan?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >who created Satan
        Lucifer

        I created a child with four limbs, five senses, and a normie brain; she created a furry.

        >But who made Lucifer????
        >BTFO lmao
        Your great grandparents should be purged because you're trash; you should be purged because your post is trash.

        If you believe it doing fgt

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If things were perfect and there was no evil it would be a soulless existance there would just be nothing to appreciate nothing to win against nothing to triumph over and overcome nothing to be brave about

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I understand why the system was designed the way it is designed. You need evil and Satan as a controlled opposition to cause guilt for sins you need struggle etc I understand. But, this is the best system he could come up with so there's nothing better that a supposedly perfect being could have created I'm not a perfect being I'm not God but if I was I would try and come up with a system that is not survival of the strong and domination of the weak where organisms consume each other by the billions to survive It would not be my FIRST choice I would explore other options.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a perfect world our minds wouldn't work like ours do. We wouldn't have the need to win, or overcome anything. We need those things because we DO live in an imperfect world.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        we used to live in a perfect world but you where still unsatisfied and being a pain, so you got send here to learn "the hard way", the value and love of existence

        There is no evil. I am evil. I will frick God and Jesus in the butt and make you watch

        this is why God made you a manlet, to teach you some humility, and still you fail to comprehend, I guess more Samsara for OP, I say maybe 10 or 20 cycles of eternity more, each life you are a little smart ass annoying shit, you will be reborn 5 cm shorter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the frick do you know that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no evil. I am evil. I will frick God and Jesus in the butt and make you watch

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't have FPS genre without wars anon
    Ask not what for it is
    Ask how many cool double kills you got

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is perfect as a whole, can't judge the whole based on your arbitrary human metrics and your limited perception just as you can't ask a cell to lead a tribunal or build a plane.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a stupid unpopular opinion/belief but it seems to answer this question and many others for me. Some of my ideas came from Brian Muraresku and Graham Hanwiener.

    >We were probably created by a Nephilim type of race.
    >Human history is much older than we think, we keep getting wiped out and have to start a new cycle every 100,000 years or so
    >Humanity rises in technology and eventually crashes or we suffer a natural disaster or both and we live like hunter gathers until we can build again.
    >Some cycle in the past realized what was going on and decided to contact future cycles using things such as religious text, oral history and structures like the Sphinx. In an attempt to warn us of the signs of a societal collapse.
    >Many scriptures became convoluted through a game of telephone and the differences in ancient societies not translating to a modern one.
    >Everything in the Bible and Quran is real, it just needs to be interpreted properly.
    >A small group of elites know this information, they probably know much more than I can only imagine.
    >If they want to continue their lineage and status in power and wealth they will have to some how make the leap to the next cycle, avoid becoming hunter gathers.
    >The Hindus are most likely spiritually correct, we have to exit Samsara

    Thanks for reading my skitzo post

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Such a tiring question, OP. Wake up, look around you, and smile. You're dreaming being a human. Silly thing, you just wanted to see what it was like to experience the universe in this fashion.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a question for you OP, why does it hurt you so much what other people believe?

    why does it burn you inside so bad, that you have to go out of your way to "anti evangelize" people, lol

    does your ass really hurt that much?

    or is it that you are the Messiah of atheism? in a mission to save the world from dumb evil theists? if you ask me, it sounds like you have a God complex OP

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a God complex, anon. He is the antithesis of what a purported God "complex" should be. He does not want divine union, does not seek it, and is therefore punished under the weight of his own sustain. There is no complex in regards to God, only union with it and for it's will to become yours.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for the sake of your free will.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    METTEYA

    The source of existence is the void's will to life, the will to not be alone, the will to create. If you meditate / remote view deeper and deeper towards the origin of existence you will eventually find a single particle desperately screaming in all directions and dimensions. It gained sapience, and it does not want to be alone anymore. One of us will eventually break through the wall of absolute energy to bring it companionship.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The masculine will of creation, and the feminine will of void, both eternally dance in marriage.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mankind did this when we fell
    God is in the process of saving us
    https://streamable.com/1rsycb
    read the Fatima Prayer
    >all souls
    and the Divine Mercy Chaplet
    >whole world

    this is my first and last post in the thread shalom

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The thing that's interesting about the Problem of Evil is how people try to refute it with obvious bullshit. Do they know "evil is necessary for free will" and "evil is man's fault" don't make any sense and don't seriously address the problem? Or are they dumb enough to find those answers satisfying?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not necessary to do personal evil to preserve one's self-will.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God isn't perfect then. Simple as.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God is inherently paradoxical to our understanding, exists outside of the laws of creation, you too have the ability to do this, you just need to remember. It's very easy to get immersed in the dream, especially when its persistent reminders keep you from realizing what you really are, all designed to keep you entertained and delay your inevitable reawakening.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are witnessing the process. God doesn't just snap his metaphorical fingers and make everything in its perfect final form from the get-go. He is shaping you and everything around you like a potter shapes clay. Everything is slowly but surely falling into its rightful place. Evolution doesn't contradict God's law in any way, shape or form.

    He set up a race; run so that you might secure a place by His side.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    NOT PAT SAJAK

    >perfect world
    what would be the point
    or line
    or plane
    or solid
    or solvid
    or vosolid
    or void

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It didn’t start that way. Humans, being given the divine creative, ruined it by being corrupted. All of reality fell into the material

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everybody has a - hole, so Time has it as an aspect in realm of dead as death (related to animal kingdom), gangstalking entity etc.

    It has its dopplegangers in soul energy as a spectrum, in consciousness, in life, in matter and in stone earth.

    So, it has its mini version in mortals.

    Civillization/the grid is from dead realm of time (dead - i).

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If this world is the BEST It can be, how come videogame worlds are more beautiful and appealing?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reality is perfect. God is beyond good and evil. Parasites, rape, murder, babies dying from cancer, boo hoo god doesn't care about that and neither should you.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you even define a perfect universe? How can you even tell this one isnt perfect?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See

      If this world is the BEST It can be, how come videogame worlds are more beautiful and appealing?

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I build a beautiful Lego castle and invite you over to see it. You're an butthole, and you kick it all apart. Is it my fault you destroyed my beautiful Lego castle? Is it my fault I thought you were a fren, and you turned out to be an butthole instead?

    We don't know what God is capable of, what rules he has set in place to govern his own conduct. We don't know why he allows it, only that his patience, or whatever, is going to come to an end one day, and he's going to fix it. He's going to kick the ever loving shit out of the fricker responsible for wrecking his Lego castle. That's all we know right now. That's all you need to know. You want to hate somebody? Hate the fricker that kicked apart the Lego castle. I don't know why it's so difficult for so many anons to understand that.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >write unimaginative primitiva goatfricking stories about a magick israelite
    >call It God
    >Pretend you know the secrets of the universe
    Ayyy

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How can a perfect God or Creator end up creating such an imperfect and evil reality like ours?
    It wouldn't, duh!
    Cue 1700 years of Christian hand-waving and mental gymnastics.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Technically speaking we are the ones who created this evil reality when Adam and Eve disobeyed God's command?

    However, God is all knowing so He knew what was happening, when the serpent was about to deceive Eve, and did nothing?

    And I don't think it's because He respects free will, if there is such a thing.

    So you tell me. What is God's deal? Is He really good? I'm not gonna lie, sometimea I think He's a pain in the arse.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And then also remember to add an orgie in your life

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need prison not me.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is perfectly Evil. He IS Evil itself.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    youd have to have some experience of pain to know to avoid the hammer or the cancer. your really surface level with your one step thinking... you sure got to say ballz alot though!
    still waiting on that demonstration of perfection your criteria for what is and is not perfect must be based on. (as a reminder your best so far is hit yourself in the balls and get cancer, fricking lol)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this post was for this post, sucks to imperfectly suck

      Ok, hit yourself in the balls! No, really! You need to hit yourself in the balls really hard, else you won't experience the pain of being hit in the balls.

      Sounds moronic? Of course it does, but that's how the universe "works", to know how good sex feels, you need to be hot in the balls.

      You just gave an argument for the Meta-Physical world, which is nothing, but perfect. You did this on accident didnt you.

      >You just gave an argument for the Meta-Physical world
      >Meta-Physical world
      of course, demonstration pending

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