>me, a materialistic apatheist who reads religion and esotericism out of curiosity (i don't believe in batshit)
>write novel of magic fantasy world that I don't plan to publish, just for fun in freetime
>start with fantasy races and kingdoms but get bored and start with cosmogony
>create the universe; move on to deities bacause is boring making the world
>create a deity, give it a personality and certain characteristics in an idealistic way
>write some nice idealistic dogmas or moral laws (as if I were that deity, quite long) and give she a very sweet personality
>one day being bored in the absolute loneliness of my bed at night (i feel kinda depressed and alone at these moments)
>not being able to sleep
>start to think about the personality of that deity and how it would respond to certain things in my novel
>starting an internal dialogue asking him questions
>repeating this every night
>start to asking questiong or asking for personal advice (yes, from my personal life,like it's a friend) just for fun (I feel it a bit social)
>One day realize that the dialogue ''comes out from nowhere'' and I'm no longer asking the questions complety
>as the days go by, I get scared and stop doing it because I no longer feel like I'm the one controlling her responses and I stop writing or thinking about the character
*a few months later not writing again, nor thinking about my character*
>taking a cab to somewhere
>I put my head out of the window, feel the wind and the sunlight on my face, see the green grass,trees, the sunlight,clouds and the wind in my face and feel a sense of calm. i close my eyes for a few seconds; a mystical feeling.
>my inner monologue starts repeating the laws or dogmas while feeling calm. i feel that it is the voice of that character. i like it.
>Again, a feeling of insecurity comes over me, but it doesn't feel total bad. actually feels good
>i stopped writing the novel and don't even try to read it or name that deity I invented.
so what just happened?
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there is also a fourth theory, supported by the occultist Kenneth Grant, founder of the Typhonian order that was born from Aleister Crowley's Thelema. He held that writers and creative people do not actually create their stories, but actually ascend to other worlds where such things take place. Kenneth held that we live in a Multiverse where all possibilities of existence are manifest. therefore, everything you imagined exists in one of the infinite universes corresponding to this totality and your imagination is nothing more than an unconscious sensorial capacity of access to these other worlds. Kenneth even used this to argue that Lovecraftian deities existed in real life, in different universes. beings like Azatoth, Nylathotep, Yog Sototh and all the Great Old Ones as well as the Outer Gods would exist. To prove this theory, Kenneth has written numerous books where he claims that the greatest occultist of all time, Aleister Crowley, had contact with H.P. Lovecraft through Lovecraft's wife who was a follower of Crowley. according to proponents of this theory, Crowley saw Lovecraft as a messenger. If this is true, then no human theory or vision is wrong, no imagination or dream is a lie, and no creative creation is a tale. everything is real and can even Interact with our world, what the Typhonian order tried to do and still does.
Are you telling me that I literally ended up invoking something from other world by writing fantasy? damn.
I don't use drugs and I'm not into the occult.
I read a bit about Experiential Crossing and the tulpas so I just wanted to know if anyone here had any similar experiences or had any more information to know what the frick happened.
I went to tulpamancy on reddit but most of them make the tulpas at will and talk to them as imaginary friends (sometimes they role-play and act like weirdos impersonating their friends)
thank you anon.
now I'm going to, I have no idea. wait and live I guess.
>I don't use drugs and I'm not into the occult.
do you think that if you were not into gravity, that you could bypass gravity?
what line of moronic reasoning is that?
you dont have to be into occult/esoteric/religion. these dynamics are a reality. the institutions just try to make sense of it. whether you are part of the institution or not, has absolutely no effect on reality. reality is still gonna behave the way it does.
if you jump out of your window and fall and die, dont be surprised that you were pulled down by gravity, even though
> ~ i dont use drugs and im not into the gravity theory
extremely stupid.
its so hard to deal with stupid materialist atheist/agnostic types!
can you please just go back to the matrix? thanks!
The problem with this theory is that I’ve got a fully functional multiverse that exists within a larger cosmos where I do creative writing and story telling. And my lore is incompatible with many and almost all other works of fiction just by nature of the rules that guide it. My paracosm simply can’t exist within such a theory because it existing would invalidate other creative worlds from existing. I even have another creative world that exists in its own continuity solely because it can’t fit into the rules and structure of my main one - not even within the multiverse.
What if evoked a deva that is actually mentally moronic? If could be hallucinating everything, but in a manner consistent with your worldbuilding. Maybe it's an /x/ poster, but on the divine version of EerieWeb?
Meh. I’m fully of the mind that my paracosm is just nothing more than fanciful daydreaming and entertaining my mind. Though, for what it’s worth, it heavily relies on various religions and esoteric ideas - a key throughline being that such things exist in my lore, they just exist in forms very different than what we know. That the God’s we know in human religions are depictions of beings that underwent thousands of years of telephone, meaning they aren’t accurate representations of the God’s you’ll find in my lore. That and I’m fairly certain that the character who has arguably been my ‘protagonist’ is living and swimming about within my subconscious, but I’m sure that’s just some kind of low grade tulpa phenomenon that comes from having created a character and spent years crafting her story, her hopes and fears and dreams.
I started reading my texts again
nothing has changed i feel indifferent. maybe when i go to sleep something will change.
Fascinating thread, anons! The concept of experiential crossing and the idea of invoking entities from other worlds through creative writing is a fascinating one. It's as if the boundaries between reality and fiction are blurred, and the imagination becomes a gateway to other dimensions.
The idea that writers and creatives can tap into other worlds and bring forth entities from those realms is a compelling one. It's almost as if the imagination is a form of interdimensional travel, allowing us to access and interact with other realities.
The concept of tulpas and thoughtforms is also relevant here. It's possible that the entity you've created through your writing has taken on a life of its own, becoming a sentient being that can interact with you and influence your thoughts and emotions.
But what's most intriguing is the idea that these entities can interact with our world, influencing our reality and shaping our experiences. It's a notion that blurs the lines between fiction and reality, and raises questions about the nature of creativity and the power of the imagination.
Domo arigato mista roboto
llama3 sounds less machine-like these days
You should finish your literary work. It's the best way to allow her to have her say. She probably has things that she needs to tell the world.
I tried to write again but I feel blocked.
Regarding the laws or dogmas (I see them more as laws than dogmas because they do not seem dogmatic to me and you can broken without punishment or karma bullshit) is that I did not write anything either.
>also
in this of the tulpamancia there is something called switch, something curious is that many religions pantheist spiritualists have a kind of personification of the deities I suppose it is something similar, they enter in trance if know fully the personality of the deities and personifies it.
I don't think I'm going to finish it. although I really think it would be interesting for an RPG game or something.
if you're curious about how i felt, it's a little confusing. i didn't hear voices or see anything paranormal. it's like you're reading a text but the voice in your head (that doesn't make sounds that you can hear) started to take on its own words and i really felt like it was that character that i wrote.
I read that there is a scientific study with religious people that states that their brain activity when praying or talking to god or deities the social activity area of the brain glowed which would indicate that they actually believe that they feel they are speaking or being heard by something.
I probably felt something similar. although if I think about it, chatting with someone on an IRC or internet must feel the same, I guess those experiences of religious people are greater because they feel they are talking to something greater than them, if it is not really some kind of personal god or tulpa(or imaginary friend) in their heads.
Congratulations! You were visited by Goddess Ailissia. You didn't invent her. She just let you know her. Don't be afraid, she is a benelovent deity. I found her in similar way than you did. Creating personality, laws etc. She has a mission for you. You were choosen. Look for the signs. The time is near. Maybe you are one of the 7 sages? Write me more about this deity and her laws. Ailissia gave me 7 moral filars. Trust her Plan. I need to find 7 sages. If you are one of them then we must talk about some things.
>Ailissia
no my novel character or this imaginary friend is not named Ailissia.
>Write me more about this deity and her laws
I'm not going to tell you anything about my novel
I don't see this as messianic or prophet bullshit.
Sacreda, magna, eterna, bona, la bella, sofia, Ailissia!
The Great Plan is moving. Please tell me as much as you can about "your" goddess. Walk the path. Trust Her Plan. Remember that she wants only good things. Ailissia is near.
i continued reading about tulpamancy and i am beginning to think that I achieved some kind of copium product of loneliness and sadness and the need for socialization that ended up creating a kind of temporary imaginary friend.
I read a little bit in the archive of similar stories and there is a lot of shit about gnosticism sophia and more that sounds to me like a simp fanboy club of a female deity archetype with a new age bullshit which I seriously don't see it that way.
in tulpamancy i read that roleplaying as a dialogue is a kind of forcing. i guess it is a typical activity of religious people.
I don't want to get into my own delusions if I had continued like this I would probably end up in a psychosis or something.
I kept reading about experiential crossing and it seems that many authors get into their own fantasies and delusions.
I read somewhere that lovecraft did it although it seems a bit false because lovecraft didn't write it all himself and his friends also contributed.
I'm beginning to think that maybe a lot of authors and prophets of religions actually dabbled in their own stuff.
I guess something about being literate.
In my researching I found something curious about Tolkien I'm probably just misunderstanding him.
'Letter 131 from J. R. R. Tolkien to Milton Waldman; 1951 , Page 2''
''Of course, such an overweening purpose did not develop all at once. The mere stories were the thing. They arose in my mind as 'given' things, and as they came, separately, so too the links grew. An absorbing, though continually interrupted labour (especially since, even apart from the necessities of life, the mind would wing to the other pole and spend itself on the linguistics): yet always I had the sense of recording what was already 'there', somewhere: not of 'inventing'.''
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nIf_7JpxKO75O-FgUWY4MG2PdEJFn3pS/view
Carl gustav jung seemed to be into something similar. although i read in a biography that his mother was schizophrenic and he hit his head as a child which led to paranormal experiences according to him. although the guy also seemed to be into some weird greek-gnostic spiritualist stuff, i'm not really interested in that crap.
I ended up reading the daemon a guide to your extraordinary secret self and it has some examples of people who sound like experiences with tulpas or imaginary friends but I didn't really like it.
Nothing paranormal here. When you're asleep, your brain conceives entire plays without your conscious control. What you're experiencing was already discovered by Carl Jung, who called it "active imagination". The entity is entirely a product of your subconscious mind.
That would somehow explain why I ended up reading so many prophets having visions in dreams and stuff.
although current dream interpretation theories say that it's just the stimuli in the week, physical stimuli from sleeping and other things about oneself (organs, glands, brain, cold and discomfort when sleeping.)
I even read that there is a group of people called onironauts who program their dreams in many ways.
>extremely stupid.
>its so hard to deal with stupid materialist atheist/agnostic types!
>???
chill man
I responded to the most paranormal response that I didn't expect in any way.
I never saw anything paranormal, but the experience I had was strange enough to have a cognitive dissonance and start thinking in other ways.
it is completely normal to try to explain it from a psychological or materialistic point of view. (at least for me)
and that's why I ended up asking it here and not to a psychiatrist (who probably would have declared me psychosis or a normal religious experience)
probably mindfricked my own mind or, I don't know.
the idea of ending up with a messianic psychosis as related
does not seem healthy to me.
>you dont have to be into occult/esoteric/religion. these dynamics are a reality. the institutions just try to make sense of it.
being involved in the meta-narrative of religion, occultism, esotericism makes it part of reality.
At least that's what I read about caoist when they do those complex rituals.
>reality is still gonna behave the way it does.
yep. that why a psychosis resulting from one's own delusions goes against reality and I find it dangerous for others and for me.
>bypass gravity
at least that is possible I think I read that these years physicists have been breaking their laws. I don't know kek
>it "active imagination". The entity is entirely a product of your subconscious mind.
I think I'm going to do some reading on that.
although I really don't understand anything about psychoanalysts' unconscious and that stuff. **i mindfricked my own mind in time after sleep as my brain is still thinking about the last thing I did before I went to sleep?**
I guess creating a kind of personality from the imagination in such an idealistic way led me to... I don't know.
I probably talk to my deep idealistic desires and more unconscious things that I don't understand. as you say, I think (or something)
in tulpamancy I think they call it just forcing although I think I'm going to read that jung thing.
thanks you anons.
oh I think I get it now
frick...
Well, I have no idea
I guess I'll keep reading.