Attachment leads to suffering
 It's All Fucked Shirt $22.14 |
 |
It's All Fucked Shirt $22.14 |
Things and concepts at the edge of reality — and credulity. The bizarre and the spooky, mysteries, cryptozoology, weird coincidences, aliens, esoteric knowledge, truths with horrific implications, ghosts, and whatever else seems to fit.
nihilistic bug men drivel
I love this site because it keeps my opposing forces in check. Helps me achieve a kind of "balance" between extremes (note that balance is not stasis, it is an oscillation so rapid that it appears effortless, think of the tightrope walker and his constant microadjustments).
So thank you, anon, for your outrageous baseless contrarian claims and performatively aggressive exchanges. They do my soul good
Yeah i like that aspect of the site too. There's no pretense of needing to be 'respectful' and unquestioning towards religious traditions which makes them a lot more interesting to have discussions on, even if sometimes people don't really know what they're talking about. I've been dipping in and out of a buddhist phase for the past couple years and I think it's good for me to be challenged on it so I can understand how I actually feel.
Its good to feel
you only suffer because you have attachments. its no lie. you are dumb
it's interesting though because it makes you wonder why there is anything in the first place. and can you really eliminate desire? wouldn't it take desire to eliminate desire? for example monks meditate because they have some kind of desire to release themselves from suffering. So to them the pleasure is releasing themselves from suffering, so it is still desire.
they may give some vague explanation as to why my interpretation is wrong. but maybe they're just lying? i've often wondered if I can believe any of them, because they really do base their livelihoods off of selling liberation. It's a weird thing to consider.
I'm not saying that there aren't higher dimensions or purposes or voids or meditations on emptiness or whatever, but the question is whether or not the teachings are missing something? Because shouldn't there be a purpose for all of this world?
>Attachment leads to suffering
>you only suffer because you have attachments.
The only way to truly not have attachments is to die, so kys.
Give me the most non-attached Buddhist you know, his mother, and an empty room, and if I frick his mom in front of him his attachments are going to become very apparent lol.
Being "non-attached" is a cope. It's just a delusional denial of reality.
Don't you think it's funny that buddhist monks engage in a reclusive practice that is as far away from society as possible. That's for a reason, it's because their beliefs don't pan out when surrounded by actual daily human social interaction, where you have to function as a member of society and deal with everyday problems.
They must seclude themselves away from the everyday person, because they must essentially create an artificial reality to exist in so that their way of thinking can actually function.
It's easy to be abstinent if there are literally no women around you.
It's easy to not eat meat if you'd have to hunt for it instead of simply buy it..
Etc, etc, etc
They must live outside of reality in order to deny it.
>anon points out the obvious purpose of monastic asceticism
>anon points out the obvious purpose of monastic asceticism
That's not really the point, I'll elaborate below
>Attachment leads to suffering
Whose to say being unattached isn't also a form of suffering?
If someone is abused as a child and their mind disassociates from the trauma and makes them forget those bad memories, that doesn't mean they aren't suffering, it just means that they are suffering in a manner which their own awareness has been robbed of them.
Part of their being has been stripped from them and erased. Suffering doesn't require awareness.
I see being one of those super autistic and disabled individuals that can't think for themselves or wipe their own ass as "suffering" and I'd kill myself before I'd live like that.
Those individuals don't have the awareness to comprehend their fallen state.
So it's not attachment that leads to suffering, whether you are attached or not you are suffering. Whether you acknowledge your suffering or not you are suffering.
If a man is suffering from lust because of his libido, and he in turn castrates himself to eliminate sexual desire. Just because he is no longer plagued with sexual desires doesn't mean he isn't suffering. He is no experiencing a different can of suffering, the suffering of being an incimplete existence, the suffering of no longer being a whole person, the suffering of repressing your very being and denying your own nature.
This kind of suffering takes place in the subconscious rather than the conscious, so you can not even be aware of it.
Buddhists only really talk about conscious suffering. So they seclude themselves from society and engage in extreme physical and mental training practices to avoid conscious suffering, but the irony is that this only results in them having a lot of subconscious suffering.
at this point im convinced this is an automated bot.
same image and same words over and over
That means that when you die if you are attached to your material body you are going to suffer.
You must pass to the otherside.
>You must pass to the otherside.
What otherside?
It is ignorant craving as a essence or substance that leads to suffering.
>“There are, Puṇṇa, forms cognizable via the eye—agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, enticing, linked to sensual desire. If a monk relishes them, welcomes them, and remains fastened to them, then in him—relishing them, welcoming them, and remaining fastened to them—there arises delight. From the origination of delight, I tell you, comes the origination of suffering & stress.
>“There are sounds cognizable via the ear… aromas cognizable by the nose… flavors cognizable via the tongue… tactile sensations cognizable via the body…
>“There are ideas cognizable via the intellect—agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, enticing, linked to sensual desire. If a monk relishes them, welcomes them, and remains fastened to them, then in him—relishing them, welcoming them, and remaining fastened to them—there arises delight. From the origination of delight, I tell you, comes the origination of suffering & stress.
>“There are forms cognizable via the eye—agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, enticing, linked to sensual desire. If a monk does not relish them, welcome them, or remain fastened to them, then in him—not relishing them, not welcoming them, not remaining fastened to them—there arises no delight. From the cessation of delight, I tell you, comes the cessation of suffering & stress.
>“There are sounds cognizable via the ear… aromas cognizable by the nose… flavors cognizable via the tongue… tactile sensations cognizable via the body…
>“There are ideas cognizable via the intellect—agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, enticing, linked to sensual desire. If a monk does not relish them, welcome them, or remain fastened to them, then in him—not relishing them, not welcoming them, not remaining fastened to them—there arises no delight. From the cessation of delight, I tell you, comes the cessation of suffering & stress. {By this means, Puṇṇa, you are not far from this Dhamma & Vinaya.”
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN35_88.html
Suffering is independent of cause
Indeed
yes
Buddhism is cucked, Hinduism is better. I chose Ganesha as my personal ishta deva deity.
Ishta already means personal moron
you don't need to say it twice
also it is not something you choose.
Can you tell me more, please? How does this work?
i like naan bread and chai tea
>also it is not something you choose.
sorry my bad. I meant "Ganesha mystically revealed himself to me in a vision"
Buddhism/Hinduism as a belief is acceptable but worshipping a deity goes exactly in the contrast of that concept
Yeah, if there's one thing that Hinduism completely rejects and you'll never see is the worship of a deity...
there are many different forms of worship. just one example journeying the 8 fold path can be seen as worship of the buddha. its not like one would do it to please the buddha but in order to initiate this journey and keep on it one must have some love, believe and respect for him
then why is he wearing clothes
Because having ants on your nuts also leads to suffering.
I agree, however wanting to not want is also wanting so you have to distance yourself from that too!
And resisting suffering makes me stronger.
sometimes suffering is worth it
I can’t believe I’m posting a fricking Wojak meme here. God dammit reject your suffering. Work and die, you’re enslaved to society and there’s nothing any of you can do about it.
Except escape the cycle, you mean. This life may be lost but this is not your only life here, and it is not you anymore than your discarded fingernail is you.
rejecting something requires effort and resistance know. basically denial. so i don't see how that teaching means much.
https://discord.com
/invite
/FdUKkdbR
Desire is not attachment
it kind of is.
you desire something because you have attachment to what will happen after you get what you desire.
true especially in the subjective sense where it's bait and you know it is
MATERIAL attachment.
Suffering is survivable.
Trying not to have attachments made me go insane and caused me to suffer more than I did when I didn't try not to have attachments. I highly suggest ignoring Buddhism and Eastern philosophy in general.
What actually happened is that you tried to annihilate some attachments within you, and it triggered feelings of attachment to deeper things. Basically you triggered your own shadow-self by trying to deny yourself these things. Attachment does NOT mean what is best for you. However when someone is in a desperate time I can understand why they would make that mistake of thought. You can still continue down this path if you wish, however you need to realize that it means overcoming deeper and deeper problems constantly, and you will need to be committed to this, and when you discover a problem within yourself it means you only must look yet deeper.
yeah frick suffering bros
Imagine the kind of self absorbed moron who made that meme
i did it, i'm him, it's
People who wish to understand this part of Buddhism should understand what "attachment" really is. Attachment is actually negative. We think it is positive because we are desperate, we are lonely, confused, afraid, and what our idea of love and happiness is was likely completely distorted by our parents. If you are attached to something it by definition means that you lose something if you separate from it, which means disempowerment. Buddhism teaches that you should be a light unto yourself, that you have everything you need within your own mind, and thus it teaches empowerment. Materialists teach that you need people and things to feel happy, which is actually disempowering and constraining. You should think of "attachment" like stockholm syndrome.
>suffering
Wrong translation.
>dissatisfaction
More accurate.
You are dissatisfied or at least not quite satisfied with anything. Everything has its flaws & you do not have sufficient resources to remedy them.
If you could detach yourself from your concerns of the world, the way things are, you may be more satisifed.
Attachment leads to attachments
I think shitty people, poverty and disease lead to suffering.
Reminder that buddhism. despite it's shiny exterior is ultimately a doomer religion of suicide. Instead of trying to overcome or conqour the game of life it just sees it as a big troll and wants to quit it all together.
>despite it's shiny exterior is ultimately a doomer religion of suicide
This, it's literally the religious equivalent of quitting because the game is rigged but people speak about it like it's so nice sounding, when it's really depressing.
The wealthy don't care about "escaping suffering" because their lives are mostly great, so they don't want to quit the game they are winning at.