Are there any resources available to learn about the alchemical nature of the material world down to the atomic level? Such as alchemical texts or discussions that take into account our modern understanding of the atomic structure and chemical bonding and how that relates to the classical understanding of the natural elements and their platonic forms and such? Thanks, this is something I'm very interested in.
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whoa dude its like carbon atom lattices in graphene except not
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The pursuit of the philosophers stone in the modern day is aided by science like this. This is the key to creating it, changing the metaphors of old alchemical text and relating them to scientific phenomenon. Once you figure out what prima materia is, you can extrapolate the technique needed to create the stone.
You can't create a 4th-dimensional object with a 3rd-dimensional understanding. The Philosopher's Stone is very similar in concept to the fifth element; Spirit. This implies an abstract purification of soul. There's a reason people who think they can physically create a metaphor are historically looked down upon by real alchemists.
"as above, so below"
If you think alchemy and the stone is just a metaphor, you are missing half the picture. It's both
that's not what it means, you literalist dumbass. in the old days we called you people "puffers"
how the hell would those 500 year old dudes have perceived the 4th dimension
protip: they didnt. they literally were mixing their own cum in a horse womb to make "homunculi". they were utterly blind frauds
You're so misinformed I lost; the 4th dimension is your mind and the 5th is your feelings
no, the 4th dimension would be as depth is to a flatworld
it has nothing to do with subjective squishy bs or else it would have no bearing on material reality
Material reality is just a conduit for energetic expression which is consciousness based
experimental proof next thread?
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slick editing but I'll believe it in lab conditions
duration, causality, probability. the fourth, fifth, and sixth dimensions. three dimensions to time, thus allowing for multiple worldlines, etc.
"Chemistry: Concepts and Problems" by Clifford Houk
No, you don’t understand. You are giving OP real chemistry.
What OP wants is something that lines up with old alchemy and modern chemistry.
Of course he can’t get that because one of these systems works and the other is larptastic.
Chemistry is the modern mans best tool for making the stone and completing the work
Post recipe then.
unfortunately actually making research requires 140+IQ, we are not able but we can bang chemicals together
don't have it lol. wouldn't be here if i did. Getting there tho
It seems to me that the recipe, from what i gather, requires refining a substance containing "life energy" Refining it via heat, splitting into two parts, solid and liquid, and then combining them again, while using silver and gold as a ferment to create the stone. Have i done it? no. So i won't say thats the recipe. But it should be damn close.
Im also of the opinion that creating the stone is actually really simple, which is why the philosophers kept it so secret. If everyone knew the recipe anyone could make it.
I also believe that alchemy is a literal science. "As above, so below" literally reconcisles the metaphorical and physical views of alchemy as both being true, as the creation of the stone is a physical metaphor or the spiritual journey one goes on. The stone is real.
There would be Indians on etsy selling them by the case and shit. I want to live in that world, let's discover it and mass leak a simplified method of production.
but question is if the substance is blood cum or stem cells
i rule cum
I don't think the subtance matters, as long as it contains "life energy". The question is, what is life energy? Science has knows that energy and mass are interchangeable. E=mc2. Mass is energy, so theoretically mass could contain "life energy".
OK, thanks Anons. I'll brush up on my chemistry
its called chemistry anon, modern chemistry is almost entirely atomic science
There is a guy I think associated with theosophism that tried to remote view all of the elements of the periodic table at the subatomic level.
He has a book with a bunch of drawings of how they appeared to him and how the different elements are different and similar and so on...
Cool to look at, so much theosophy stuff is moronic tripe though I never really took it seriously or did much more than skim it an look at the cool drawings.
Also, several alchemical texts from antiquity up until the 1700s are about the atomic nature of matter. Just a completely different way of looking at it from the modern.
In their view, different types of matter were distinct from different "seeds," there was the seed of animals/man, the seed of vegetables and plants, and the seed of minerals and metals.
The elements were transformed or transmuted by the "seed." The "seed" being of a fifth element, and making use of the other four elements to multiply itself. Just like the seed of an animal growing in the womb, with the four elements being supplied to it, or the seed of a plant growing in the ground in the elements that it requires, water, earth (food), air, and fire (warmth).
The idea of alchemy, was to purify and multiply the "seed" of metals. The alchemical processes in the old books are all related to what naturally happens to minerals and "earth" naturally, in and under the ground.
Anyway, their view of atomic structure was very different than ours, to them, the elements of the periodic table all had the same kind of thing at their core, but had been transformed into different states of matter by different "seeds." Seeds of animals, vegetables and minerals, transforming matter as needed for growth.
There's more to it, I am simplifying hundreds of books written over thousands of years. Their knowledge of "chemical bonding" and stuff related to more classical chemistry was much more limited and confusing, and often deliberately so. Referring to substances as "philosophical mercury" or salt or vitriol whatever, to describe things that were not regular mercury or salt or vitriol, in order to confuse people while hinting at their true meaning. When they say "salt," for instance, they do not mean regular table salt most of the time, they are hinting at something like saltpeter or periclase or something that has characteristics like salt, but is not simple salt as most people think of it.
>Such as alchemical texts or discussions that take into account our modern understanding of the atomic structure and chemical bonding
You have to do a really deep dive into alchemy to find this stuff.
Three sources with relevant philosophies:
HumanResonance.org
The Golden Chain of Homer
Philosopher's of Nature.
Complete Works of Paracelsus
So that's like 6 months of reading for yah.
H = fire
N = air
O = oxygen
C = earth
Na = animal fire (evolutionary force)
K = plant fire (evolutionary force)
Sb = metallic ferment
S = oxygen of the mineral kingdom
Au = soul of the perfected fire element
Ag = soul of the perfected water element
Hg = soul of the perfected air element
Pb, Sb = soul of the earth element
N, P, As, Sb are the ferments of the various kingdoms.
If you want the science of alchemy to come alive, and to feel the energies the alchemists were talking about, you need to take the alchemical medicines, and you need to have a deep initiation into the planetary levels of consciousness, and the elemental energies.
You need to develop your psychic sensitivity sufficiently that you can pick up a mineral, metal or tincture, and in a minute of meditation pick up tons of information about it's energetic correspondences, and all that fun stuff.
Now just a few simple proofs of these correspondences (many more will be revealed with study and practice):
Sun is composed primarily of Hydrogen = Fire
Air primarily is N-itrogren
Water is primarily O-xygen
Carbon binds them together in organic chemistry.
Acids = Fire = abundance of hydrogen
Bases = Water = abundance of oxygen
There is a trick with loading gemstones with Water Element energy using base solutions, and similar trick to load the Fire element using acids - and if you can detect these subtle energies, then there is hope you won't be a wanker who philosophizes about things he cannot even sense.
Thanks you Anon, this is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.
>righteous
>atomic structure
>chemical bonding
>platonic forms
Alchemists don't use these terms.
They have a different philosophical framework, and they are seeking different goals.
I don't really get what OP is asking other than trying to mishmash three unrelated systems.
Well here's one big difference between alchemists and modern science:
Alchemist believe that everything has a soul, and that there is a universal intelligent lifeforce that can give birth to any kingdom of life (animal, plants, fungi, bacterias, minerals, etc)
So alchemists are more concerned with setting up the conditions for this universal lifeforce to grow, than they are with isolating pure chemical compounds. They are celestial gardeners, using techniques that often looks like cooking.
Dry water from the Philosophers Clouds! Look for it, and be sure to have it, for it is the key to inaccessibles, and those locks that otherwise would keep thee out. Chorus omnium.
It is a middle nature between fixt, and not fixt, and partakes of a Sulphur Azurine. Isaacus Flander, & Gymnosophiste apud Philostratum.
It is a Raw, Cooling, Feminine fire, and expects its Impregnation from a masculine, Solar Sulphur. Aristot. Arabs.
It is the only compleat Angell to the Infern, or Bottom of the earth, where all the Treasures are hid. Apollo apud Homerum in Hymno ad Mercurium.
All that are conversant in this Art, learn from Experience, and all good Authors, That the true matter and subject of this stone, has Gold and Silver in potentiality, and Argent vive naturally, or actually, Which Gold and Silver are much better than those men commonly see and handle, because these are alive and can increase; the other dead: And if this could not be effected, the matter would never be brought to this perfection, which this art promises, which is indeed so efficacious as to perfect Imperfect metals. But this same invisible Gold or Silver, which by this Magistery is exalted to so sublime a degree, cannot communicate its perfection to imperfect metals, without the help and service of vulgar Gold and Silver. Adeptus Aonymus apud Combachium.
The Sun and the Moon must be in Conjunction that they may absolve perfect generation. Arnoldus Villanovan in flore florum.
No corruption , that is, no mutation or passage of one form into another can be made, without the mediation of Putrefaction, (which is the sole mean and way to Generation) nor any putrefaction be had, without some Mercury, or Argent vive, which is the special delator, or conductor of the vegetant faculty, called by the Philosophers, The viridity of Nature.