Why is magic so weak?

Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame? The first explanation would be it simply doesn't exist and everyone is roleplaying, but let's assume it is possible for the sake of discussion.

Whenever I see people who practice it they aren't impressive at all? Most of them are ugly or at best average looking, some need glasses or have other clear defects, balding, overweight. Many of them struggle with health issues or have problems, unless they are scammers and take money with rituals from gullible people. And even if they look good and are healthy their abilities are extremely lackluster and just shit that placebo-tier. No real, tangible displays of power and mastery over reality and flesh.

>Did you feel my invisible energy ball???
>I did a ritual and I think it made my neighbours move out!
>My tarot card is sending me a message!
>I talk to my patron spirit deity and he loves me... can I prove it? Uhh no but I just feel it...

If you bring this up people will get upset and start saying HARRY POTTER MAGIC ISN'T REAL!!! but that basically means the only magic that exists in this world is this low-tier shit that is so weak it could be easily mental illness, coincidence/placebo and impossible to prove?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    LUCIFER

    Can you concentrate? Focus? Read a book cover to cover?

    It's the mind that's weak. Not magic. There's no limit on the power of magic whatsoever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There's no limit on the power of magic whatsoever.

      So where are all those unlimited magic users?

      Examples of what I wouldn't consider placebo-homosexual-tier-magick:

      >mastery of your body and flesh (aka being able to heal your defects such as balding or needing glasses, perfect body and weight, doesn't age)
      >direct mind reading that leaves no possibility for guessing or cold reading
      >being able to influence the elements or gravity in front of other people (levitating, conjuring fire, wind, water, whatever)
      >summoning spirits that are VISIBLE and able to influence to room clearly (aka not just "The room just felt cold" or "I think I saw a shadow, not sure" because people can easily imagine that especially if they are spooked)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I need Hollywood entertainment
        No you need to be skullfricked until your brain is fixed enough

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you're just fine with having a magical micropenis, huh?

      • 2 weeks ago
        SJTAY2

        I actually got perfect dental health (history of cavities, haven’t seen the dentist in 4 years no problems) through a pact with God and I was curing my bad eyesight using my infinite learning tool. The Divine weakened my learning tool but it’s still there. I stopped practicing as hard anyway after it got good enough to drive even at night, so it’s still poor.
        I can convince people online and in real life that I have a girthy, dangerously potent penis without even trying, but that’s an evolutionary ability that autistic women are born with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If there were people who could maintain a flawless appearance through magic, you wouldn't know they were ever ugly, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >real communism has never been tried before

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not even close to the same thing. One is an unworkable social theory and the other is something that requires discipline. It's like saying mastering an instrument or winning a game is impossible. Both communism and magic attract losers and for the same reason, but non-losers can and do make magic work.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How would you describe the Essenes? Just an egalitarian vegetarian commune, right? Not real communism?

          >not magicians

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          look man it would be fun if magic was real but no one of prominence has made it work
          otherwise the rich and powerful wouldnt be so scared of dying lol

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but i did the lbrp and my bunghole puckered a little bit
            >surely that's magic at work
            Don't bother. They're working from a hypothetical idealized standard of magic that they themselves haven't attained, if they're being honest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        JESUS

        How would you describe the Essenes? Just an egalitarian vegetarian commune, right? Not real communism?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Magic is only as strong as the person wielding it. The fat goth chick into Wicca who can't control herself around a tub of ice cream is going to accomplish as much with magic as she will with any other tool at her disposal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There's no limit on the power of magic whatsoever.
      In theory any force can move infinitely towards any direction, but in practice many factors prevent this from happening. Magic is the same, there is no 'limitless' magic, you will always reach a limit, beyond just your mind.
      Otherwise, woudln't schizophrenics be masterful wizards?
      >Buth muh focus
      You do not need focus to be a loose canon, if you're a natural and schizophrenic, by your standards we'd have someone exploding stuff with their mind.

      https://i.imgur.com/kwSZvQQ.jpeg

      Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame? The first explanation would be it simply doesn't exist and everyone is roleplaying, but let's assume it is possible for the sake of discussion.

      Whenever I see people who practice it they aren't impressive at all? Most of them are ugly or at best average looking, some need glasses or have other clear defects, balding, overweight. Many of them struggle with health issues or have problems, unless they are scammers and take money with rituals from gullible people. And even if they look good and are healthy their abilities are extremely lackluster and just shit that placebo-tier. No real, tangible displays of power and mastery over reality and flesh.

      >Did you feel my invisible energy ball???
      >I did a ritual and I think it made my neighbours move out!
      >My tarot card is sending me a message!
      >I talk to my patron spirit deity and he loves me... can I prove it? Uhh no but I just feel it...

      If you bring this up people will get upset and start saying HARRY POTTER MAGIC ISN'T REAL!!! but that basically means the only magic that exists in this world is this low-tier shit that is so weak it could be easily mental illness, coincidence/placebo and impossible to prove?

      I will not give you a simple answer.
      >Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.
      Meditate on it, dumbass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why do you believe this over "magic is just fake"
        what practices have you maintained and what results have you achieved

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, what are you doing with your life? Trying to prove if magic is real or fake? Why are you wasting your time? Realize how dumb you sound, for once!

          About 99% of the stuff you will find online, ESPECIALLY ON X is bullshit, just plain bullshit. No one here is an enlightened master, no one here is a wizard, and no one here knows what they are talking about. At best, you will find a bored follower of some religion or magical system, spewing their framework as if it is the answer to all questions. Actual discussion on /x/ has been dead for over ten years now. Your search is futile; you will never find anything here on the internet.

          Now, to answer your question, 'occultism' is called as such for a reason. Once you realize why this is, you will see why I won't tell you anything about me or my practices. Besides this, I do not 'believe' in magic; I, like everyone else in the world, just live by its rules. There is no difference between you and me beyond a big metaphorical lock on your head preventing you from reaching realization.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so you admit youre just a wanker

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh pearls
            Lmao this guy is a lame pseudlarper.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What did I have for lunch?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I almost agreed with you until you turned into another ego jack-off "muh stuff actually works urs doesnt"

      • 2 weeks ago
        LUCIFER

        You keep confusing magic with pathology. That's limiting. I'm not schizophrenic. Are you?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You keep confusing magic with pathology
          You need to rethink what constitutes 'magic'.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so how does it come to pass that every colonized people, all of whose leaders claimed to be decendents of the gods, all of whom employed a robust class of spiritual experts, shamen, sorcerers, etc, were unable to stem the tide of secular meat, disease, and weaponry thrown at them.
      Why, under the weight of all their combined curses and comparative occult might, wasn't Europe swallowed into the Earth?

      • 2 weeks ago
        METTEYA

        moronic pagan rituals and sacrificing chickens are meaningless actions that have no science or potence. If you don't have Kundalini energy to work with you don't have anything.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok but I remind you that both the near and far East are among those subjugated by soulless secular forces. Why?
          Why are the geographic centers of your chosen occult framework so much worse off than the spiritually dull and buglike beaurocrats of the CCP and the Mindless Western consoomer?

          • 2 weeks ago
            METTEYA

            Funny, every ideology you listed as superior has a negative birth rate and is suffering spiritual death as we speak. Meanwhile the 500 million Buddhists are flourishing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I quibble with your understanding of "flourishing" but be that as it may the golden age practitioners could not in their own time prevail against the tides of dull soulless violence, nor preserve their countrymen against a long dark age of persecution, exploitation, and spiritually dulling influence of their then-conquerors.
            I'll gladly entertain that the decline of those very conquerors is the result of a relative few's spiritual power, but even so the insufficiency of magic to prevent those dark eras or prevail in spectacular way against dumb force is the kind of surprising "weakness" I percieve the thread is about, and it certainly falls short of "limitless" as the first tripgay suggested.
            Engineering and large numbers seem like far "stronger" avenues in the aggregate.

          • 2 weeks ago
            METTEYA

            > only sees materialist conquerors as winners
            They're all going to go extinct. They've studied this effect in rats, once all the behavior sinks of spiritual death and social breakdown appear the population goes entirely extinct. Google "rat utopia experiment" and read the papers. Secular China and the West are suffering all of these problems.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fake and gay study, but that's beside the point.
            A poison that kills your enemy AFTER he humiliates and harms you and your loved ones may be said to be "powerful" but it's certainly LESS powerful than one that would kill him instantly, or than a well-handled mundane weapon.
            But you appear to be making the even weaker claim that the spiritualism's real power is just that it allowed them to weather an assault that was doomed to die on its own eventually anyway.
            That's fine, it's just a disappointing power-level for literal magic. And again, falls FAR short of having "no limit"

          • 2 weeks ago
            METTEYA

            >Fake and gay study
            Fake and gay mind.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nice try buddhist, I know it's the same mind that we share. But mine is cool and discerning whereas your region is troubled and deluded. Let's both try and attain enlightenment immediately for each others sakes, no?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    our world sucks

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You consist of DNA that up to 99% tells you that magic isnt real in this realm and expect to cast fireballs without tearing down those hard wired hindering beliefs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are tons of people who are 100% delusional and believe they are Jesus reincarnated, the chosen one and married to Gods. Completely off their meds and convinced, yet they are unable to do anything remotely impressive. It can't be about faith.

      Now if your argument is that it depends on what everyone believes then I would ask if magic was inherently real why would people randomly stop believing for no reason?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a reason. Magic has been ripped from the general population intentionally. Everyone used to use magic, but as society grew the elites realised the common man being allowed to use magic was not going to be a good thing. So they brought in religions that said magic was against God, they forced the masses to convert and then made magic an offense punishable by death. Within just a few short generations the general population lost all knowledge of magic, whereas the elites kept practicing. Then over time the elites turned magic into fiction to further distance the masses from belief. Magic requires belief, and the more people who believe the more powerful the magic gets. So they've made magic into children's stories so that it has become near impossible for the general population to recover their belief in magic.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who exactly is the elite though? Because it's not politicians or rich people or royals, because those all age, get fat, sick and ugly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is stupid. Magic has never been more widely covered in literature than it has now. I'm not talking about wokeist soft shit that's equal parts wicca equal parts activism. Magic from ancient Egypt, Greece, China, etc. The PGM, the various Solomonic magical manuscripts that are descended from the PGM in terms of technique, etc. Despite the Church, magic actually continued developing through the times of the inquisition, and often with tacit ecclesiastical help. There was a whole clerical underground that supported the endeavor.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what? form the 16-19th century is was covered by a huge amount of authros, the 17-1800's was a magical revival

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So... you're reiterating my point? Tell that to the other guy. He thinks magic completely disappeared from common folk.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >16th-18th centuries
            >modern
            My man here's either immortal or doesn't understand what modern means

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was responding to this fool

            There is a reason. Magic has been ripped from the general population intentionally. Everyone used to use magic, but as society grew the elites realised the common man being allowed to use magic was not going to be a good thing. So they brought in religions that said magic was against God, they forced the masses to convert and then made magic an offense punishable by death. Within just a few short generations the general population lost all knowledge of magic, whereas the elites kept practicing. Then over time the elites turned magic into fiction to further distance the masses from belief. Magic requires belief, and the more people who believe the more powerful the magic gets. So they've made magic into children's stories so that it has become near impossible for the general population to recover their belief in magic.

            who thinks magic completely disappeared from people's lives, so yeah I had to cover all the time periods he discussed and that includes modern times and the 16th-18th centuries. Are there any other words you want to nitpick?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well write more clearly next time because that anon IS a fricking moron, magic never disappeared wtf Modern spiritualism is cancer but within the last 100 years we had two major occult systems still active and still plenty more, the world just god more secular

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you need to read more carefully.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But people had magic.
          You mean to tell me somehow people stopped practicing magic because they were “forced”!?
          You mean people who could have use curses and hexes got defeat by a practical traditional “beating”?
          Then what’s the point of magic???

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It can't be about faith.
        Imagine humans walking around wraped up like mummys with curses that limit their ability to use magic. But the curses are nothing more than the collective experience of your ancestors not being able to use magic, which is physically programed in your genes.

        >why would people randomly stop believing for no reason?
        Times of struggle hinders the individual to find themself and ridding themself of the mental barriers that reduce the efficieny of magic, making physical work the more effective choice.

        I don´t believe magic on a higher level was widespread, but limited to the people who either devoted their life towards the practise.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's everyone's faith into how things work.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > why would people randomly stop believing for no reason?

        Maybe you forgot about how many people were murdered for practicing magic before materialism rapidly took hold.

        Prior to the 1800s, many were burned for suspected "witchcraft".

        Then "science" established that it didn't exist; the Flexner Report in the early 1900s in America condemned homeopathy and other natural cures to ailments.

        Anything that couldn't be "scientifically explained" was not allowed to be taught at medical schools or they'd lose their license to operate. Even if it worked. Then Rockefeller oil-based pills filled in the gaps.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (There is no such thing as magic, what has been historically known as magic(hidden knowledge) was limited when for the most part the watchers were barred from stepping a permanent foot into the realm a very many cycles ago.)

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in our realm
    You got isekai'd at some point and found a world where magic is an undeniable part of existence or something? What is your reference point, bro? Lol

    >tangible displays of power and mastery over reality and flesh
    That's a high bar you've set. it's more Matrix or Dark City larp than magic, which is it's own larp.

    >the only magic that exists in this world is this low-tier shit that is so weak it could be easily mental illness, coincidence/placebo and impossible to prove
    Pretty much. If that's all mid for you, maybe just move on to something else.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all that “magic”
    >can’t make yourself look young, look fit; look attractive, or rich
    The frick is the point?
    either real magic is seriously hidden inside a secret underground cult, or magic is not real.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The usual cope of these people is that physical appearance doesn't matter and isn't important in a spiritual sense but that's bullshit. If they could wield magic or divine powers they would be able to master the physical realm too.

      If you are beautiful people treat you better and your life is much easier. This has been studied but it is also common sense. And furthermore even if for some mysterious reason they just want to be ugly then at least heal your defects? Needing glasses or losing hair, those are defects of your cells.

      https://i.imgur.com/BO1xcg0.png

      neo-pagans and new agers are larpers. reconstructionists have my respect because they keep trying.
      I see crowley as ambiguous, sometimes I see him as a chris-chan and other times I see him as a visionary.
      They literally only use crowley-thelema or golden dawn rites.
      gardner invented his own rituals and has some heterodox memphiz mizrain rite thanks to crowley's initiation along with other masonic stuff.
      It is nonsense.
      >also
      they don't cast fireballs all they claim to do is concentrate the energies of the universe or elementals and accomplish law of attraction or affirmation style goals. basically they put bias in your head that something is going to work and if it doesn't work it's because you lack energy whatever that is.
      the original magic seemed to be pure invocation, evocation and dealing with spirits and weird entities. like typical yoruba or voodoo.

      some people literally believe in the stupidity of the kybalion, which is something of the new thought, there is nothing hermetic about it. there is even a version with masonic aesthetics by robert much earlier.
      even academics who study hermeticism do not consider it to be something of hermeticism.

      I don't like wiccans because they are fluffbunnies, they generally shit on the occult and are more of an exoteric public religion on the same level as christians.

      Crowley also falls in this LARP-placebo magic umbrella. He couldn't really do anything impressive and he was ugly, balding, overweight and died of some dumb shit.

      what do you think would be happening to this realm if everyone was able to shoot fire balls out their eyes

      Not everyone, my question if ANYONE at all is able to do that? Obviously we won't figure it out here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a cope because they know it’s impossible to change their bodies.
        I mean they have no issues with using magic to punish people and push their own political ideology on grand scale (binding trump and trump supporters” or “binding Supreme Court” (lol someone was angry about not being able to kill kids no more))
        But their limit is on making themselves healthy, sexy, smart, and young?
        lol
        They only “magic” things that they can’t personally verify so it’s “always working” in their mind
        Like lying to yourself

        At least Crowley wasn’t a rabid anti west anti white tard
        He was also super homo, but didn’t keep cursing “homophobes” left and right for not accepting his gayassshit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this one has begun to see the cracks in oneness

          cell phones are pretty cool

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t get what you saying bro.
            But it’s cool

          • 2 weeks ago
            furr durr durrr

            >this one knows what it is and what it do

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cool.
            Still don’t getting it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not everyone
        well what do you think would happen if one guy was able to do it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If one guy was able to do it that would mean that this type of magic exists even if super rare.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    neo-pagans and new agers are larpers. reconstructionists have my respect because they keep trying.
    I see crowley as ambiguous, sometimes I see him as a chris-chan and other times I see him as a visionary.
    They literally only use crowley-thelema or golden dawn rites.
    gardner invented his own rituals and has some heterodox memphiz mizrain rite thanks to crowley's initiation along with other masonic stuff.
    It is nonsense.
    >also
    they don't cast fireballs all they claim to do is concentrate the energies of the universe or elementals and accomplish law of attraction or affirmation style goals. basically they put bias in your head that something is going to work and if it doesn't work it's because you lack energy whatever that is.
    the original magic seemed to be pure invocation, evocation and dealing with spirits and weird entities. like typical yoruba or voodoo.

    some people literally believe in the stupidity of the kybalion, which is something of the new thought, there is nothing hermetic about it. there is even a version with masonic aesthetics by robert much earlier.
    even academics who study hermeticism do not consider it to be something of hermeticism.

    I don't like wiccans because they are fluffbunnies, they generally shit on the occult and are more of an exoteric public religion on the same level as christians.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >neo-pagans and new agers are larpers
      And old-pagans and old agers were not larpers?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no, because they sincerely believed. they were not a mannequin of aesthetics or self-help phrases with weird syncretisms.
        they were an autochthonous religion of a given culture that may or may not syncretize with other gods.
        >old-agers
        I don't know what the frick that is, but literally all the new age guys believe in the age of aquarius and a bunch of degenerate practices from the original occultism.
        It's like they see occult practices as a Christian mass on the Sabbath, public, timetabled and in a meeting.

        the ancient religions could at least have an exoteric and an esoteric side together with mystery cults or secret societies.
        not to mention that the new agers love to regurgitate all the strange jargon with with quantum mysticism and have an obsession with pajeets and karma.
        they do it all for emotion or peace or the new age or the aeon or for stupid material things like money, love, etc.
        they don't do it for experience or esotericism.
        >also
        Now if we wanted to argue that religious traditions can be stupid, yes, sometimes they re very stupid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no, because they sincerely believed.
          and how do you know neo-pagan and new agers don't sincerely believed in the things they say they believe ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >guys, guys! I made this witch with stable diffusion! look at her! she's awesome! so awesome I'll put her in a post instead of an actual image!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      women will never be able to actually understand magic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Men are just as cringe and powerless.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what do you think would be happening to this realm if everyone was able to shoot fire balls out their eyes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have guns and moltovs. So would it be that different?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Are you moronic?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    look at that picture. they are all fat.

    99% of the prana in their body is busy digesting food and converting it to shit. they got no reserves left to utilizing it for "mAgIcK".

    if you want to be more efficient with your prana/chi usage, fast for 90 days (only water) so you lose all the american weight, then only eat 3-4 times a week, so fast 3-4 days a week.

    do this for a couple of months and you will be more potent.

    if you still cooming though, that will be the next HUGE bottleneck for amassing and using chi.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >chi
      >prana
      which is it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I eat one meal a day and fast a week monthly for EerieWeb reasons, and I can't cast shit. I'm not really bothered by the lack of fireballs but I want to talk to the elementals like Paracelsus

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Paracelsus didint talk to shit, he was an alchemist not a wizard

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Paracelsus wrote "A Book on Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies, and Salamanders, and on the Other Spirits". He was certainly a fricking wizard too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon what we consider magic and what he considered natural science are two intricately different things

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The natural sciences grew partly out of magic the same way chemistry grew out of alchemy.

            that's like saying someone who writes mostly on mathematics who then writes one thing on history is known as a historian

            You can pursue mostly one thing and still have side projects, anon. Paracelsus was a Donald Glover of his time. And that this book

            Paracelsus wrote "A Book on Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies, and Salamanders, and on the Other Spirits". He was certainly a fricking wizard too.

            was written by Paracelsus is a fact.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's like saying someone who writes mostly on mathematics who then writes one thing on history is known as a historian

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon what we consider magic and what he considered natural science are two intricately different things

            I can only assume you haven't read his book.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The natural sciences grew partly out of magic the same way chemistry grew out of alchemy.

            [...]
            You can pursue mostly one thing and still have side projects, anon. Paracelsus was a Donald Glover of his time. And that this book [...] was written by Paracelsus is a fact.

            Arguing semantics is pointless

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I get that, but the kind of men who produce such works don't merely stop at the theoretical. Some of the things they wrote require practical corroboration and experience. It's like saying Isaac Newton was only ever a physicist and ignore his dabbling with alchemy and calculations of Armageddon (which I don't actually believe but we'll see when 2060 comes around).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes anon becuase that was what science WAS at the time, calling him a wizard is removing the context of the time he lived in, he probably never considered himself as such, no more than newton would.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are arguing semantics now. I'm not budging. Paracelsus was a magician. Newton not so much, maybe just a really ardent fan of "deciphering" the bible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well then have fun arguing pointless shit with no one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's no argument to be had. Paracelsus was a magician and he wrote a book about elementals.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, Im sorry you dont understand what the definition is but just repeating it at me like a child doesnt change it He was an alchemist, and would probably be insulted to be considered a wizard.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >leave britney alone
            Lol what is this desperately childish need to change the mind of a complete rando?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            IM sorry you need to resort to this childishness

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And I'm sorry you scour threads, jumping from post to post for any argument to be had. I'm half convinced you're just ragetrolling now. I'm sorry if you're not but there are buttholes who join in on other people's exchanges for the sheer love of chaos.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure you'll feel better after simply admitting hes an alchemist

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't care if I'm wrong Ill just keep doing it anyway
            lol

            I'm not caving to your semantic play. Do you understand this? Paracelsus was a magician. Deal with it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i don't care if i'm wrong
            Tough shit. Because I stand firm on my position and you can't change my mind. Carry on being wrong.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Great, changes nothing, no history book will be changed, wikipedia will stay the same, and he will be forever known as an ALCHEMIST

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wikipedia
            Lol the same page that lists the book on elementals? Ok.

            [...]

            >"Paracelsus was a magician"
            >reeeeee

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and what does it call him on that page anon?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you haven't noticed, I was mocking wikipedia. No wonder you have this ignorant opinion of Paracelsus.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Couldn't have been less obvious considering you're mocking me in that same post

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure you'll feel better after simply admitting hes an alchemist

            Jfc he was an alchemist and magician
            https://docquity.com/articles/paracelsus-the-alchemist-journey/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. But these other anons insist he was only ever one thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >https://docquity.com/articles/paracelsus-the-alchemist-journey/
            Nothing from his own works or any form his followers claim him to be a wizard, some after the fact crap isnt worth our time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >is mad about the use of a word
            LMAO

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I Accept your concession

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paracelsus was a mage. You're just too mad to admit it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            6/10 you got me, this is like those wierdos who constantly attribute shit to st. Germain

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice trips in tribute to St Germain who was a magician and alchemist and breakdancer

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wikipedia doesn't explicitly say obama is a human
            Lol there was none given. You're just too much of petulant princess to understand that people can be more than one thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because ignoring context is moronic, might as well just call anything you don't understand magic and everyone smarter than you a wizard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But I'm not calling you a wizard though lol. Just Paracelsus.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretending to be moronic to avoid the topic is sad anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretending to be superior is even more sad. You've simply decided on the conclusion and refuse to see that alchemy, medicine and magic intersected during Paracelsus' time. Not my fault you're moronic ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Im sorry you cant understand context anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry you're moronic and think you're a debate-bro.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Clearly none was given, but you're just spamming the same childish retort.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so you impotently reporting every post?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you like diagnosed autistic or something? Do you understand you can be more than one thing? If a doctor gets knighted by king sneed they don't lose the PhD. If he spoke to a salamander he didn't suddenly forget how to mix laudanum. Fricking idiot.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Idk, man. There's anons who go around just for an argument.
            And that's whether or not they sincerely believe in the positions they take.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Im sinply saying you're ignoring historical context and simply mindlessly applying labels to someone who would have been offended to even be called one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The natural sciences grew partly out of magic the same way chemistry grew out of alchemy.

            [...]
            You can pursue mostly one thing and still have side projects, anon. Paracelsus was a Donald Glover of his time. And that this book [...] was written by Paracelsus is a fact.

            There's a reason he's remembered for his work on alchemy and early pharmacology and not one book fellas

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care what other people remember. These are free times when I get to read whatever book I want from whatever author I want. And you don't get to dictate anything. You'd have us also forget that Isaac Newton dabbled in occult topics too. Frick that. Go bother someone else about what people should and shouldn't be remembered for.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't care if I'm wrong Ill just keep doing it anyway
            lol

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    According to the discoveries made through repetitive inquiry processes by Ken Ogger and explained in his book Super Scio (the publication of which led to his being tied to a cinder block at the bottom of his pool), we descended through a series of universes prior to this one, each with increasingly strict laws of physics and causality. The previous universe Ogger called the Magic Universe, and it's where all these intuitions about how magick should work but only very rarely does, come from. Memory of how it used to be before your enemies decided they would be better off if you were trapped in the Physical/Space Opera Universe (eventually most of them got thrown down here too: the previous universes still exist but are largely uninhabited). If you let them push you down into the Mud Universe you'll be making threads about why kinetic movement is so weak.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting. Why did this happen though? All of us had enemies that send us down here?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When you're a powerful mage instead of an incel neet you tend to get involved in political struggles... Before the memory-wipe technology, killing your enemies just slowed them down a little before they reincarnated and got back to their old tricks. A universe is the ultimate supermax prison, and still there are prison breaks.
        >http://www.freezoneearth.org/pilot/sscio/index.html

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How does one break free?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magic is engaging with the world at a more symbolic plane of resonance. Words are magic. Use them with love in your heart to avoid karmic consequences.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magic isn't weak
    >2024
    >muggles trying to do magic
    ISHYGDDT

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you do anything mentioned here

      https://i.imgur.com/ec5Vf6n.jpeg

      >There's no limit on the power of magic whatsoever.

      So where are all those unlimited magic users?

      Examples of what I wouldn't consider placebo-homosexual-tier-magick:

      >mastery of your body and flesh (aka being able to heal your defects such as balding or needing glasses, perfect body and weight, doesn't age)
      >direct mind reading that leaves no possibility for guessing or cold reading
      >being able to influence the elements or gravity in front of other people (levitating, conjuring fire, wind, water, whatever)
      >summoning spirits that are VISIBLE and able to influence to room clearly (aka not just "The room just felt cold" or "I think I saw a shadow, not sure" because people can easily imagine that especially if they are spooked)

      and prove it? If not, you are the exact type of muggle you're talking about.

      ANYONE can pretend to do some energy balls or influence the wind a little bit or do rituals or claim to be in contact with ancients spirits or demons. Even fat wiccans with tattoos do that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its weak because if it were strong it would have held up to lab conditions
      like the best the cia could find was dudes "moving" a coin in a pepsi bottle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        seriouslly, if the US military doesnt use it, its either shit, doesn't exist, or unreliable

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only thing the us military uses now are troons and spics.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe because most “magick practitioners” are genuinely weak humans who haven’t sacrificed anything except spare time and weak will for some vague dogma? You’ll find the best magis in the most funniest places, unreachable by humans, as they aren’t human at that point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone, even people with trashiest genes can become better at ANYTHING (not saying master, just better) with spare time dedicated to it
      It’s just seems like “witches” are unable to do this

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not magic.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the actual answer is that
    1. Humanity is litterally lesser then they were before because we evolve physically and spiritually in cycles depending on the position of the stars, hense the zodiacal ages.
    2. there is a massive real effort by collectevist forces to hinder with chemicals, fear, psyop, mind control, death and deception anyone who isn't meeting their criteria for truth.

    Real magic relies on a complete understanding, which also means having as healthy a body and mind as you can, spiritual practice and consistent effory, Gnosis or direct experience and actual not insane knowledge which requires you to at least understand that allegorical nature of most religious texts, if you dont, you get insanity.
    most people are missing 90% of the basic prerequisite.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How to achieve gnosis?

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magic ain't real. Duh. It used to be old men standing in circles yelling at dust in the dim candlelight. Then it turned into draw rhombuses in the air and just declaring angels about you in 4 directions. Then it turned into magic cum doodles. And currently it's some kind of solipsist Neo cosplay. There no actual magicians here. They're all a bunch of armchair theoreticians pseudposting.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have this suspicion that some super wizard in the past made magic dissappear from this realm.

    It makes sense how so many mythical and cryptic beings are recorded by multiple ancient cultures all over the planet.

    I think magic was so chaotic that he sacrificed himself to remove all magic and creatures from the world just so normal people could live peacefully (it didn't work obviuously) well it kinds did most kingdoms thrived but now humans are the chaotic evil creatures

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was jesus!
      wheres the goddamn unicorn fossils
      wheres the dragon bones in 4000 year old dirt layers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it was that recent, I think it was way older than that, even more ancient.

        It's possible jesus was part of that bloodline and performed miracles but even his powers were already diluted because magic was almost gone or something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had a theory that this world was created by magic communists in another world, who seethed because they were not good at magic, and grouped their abilities together to conjure a realm for anyone who agreed with them

      It's the kind of thing that makes sense to the book smart, if it is what happened I can only blame myself for being moronic enough to fall for it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I have this suspicion that some super wizard in the past made magic dissappear from this realm.

      Basically what happens in LotR

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame?
    because the places where it isn't lame are by themselves lame and usually nebulous and chaotic.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If there exists magic the likes of which is depicted in fiction, the people alive today do not have the capability of casting it. Certainly a bunch of chubby-fat scene girls in america won't have the ability to cast forth a ball of fire to smite their foes. Neither will the lardball neckbeards who spend their days on /x/ talking about the nobody and gangstalkers in between their hourly nofap neochristian affirmations.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Doesn't know gangstalkers are real

      Sad

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's not weak it's just not as literal as you're thinking if you're of coarse mind
    + lots of stuff you perceive as normal because it's part of your backdrop is magic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely convenient that all this magical stuff is so SUBTLE that it can be literal roleplay, schizophrenia or placebo, right....

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For a second let's consider that "magic" only works through the archetypes/gods. If the person attempting to use universal energy to create an effect but is not favored by any of these higher powers, it will not work. For example, imagine someone wants to use love/sex magic but Aphrodite hates them - it will not work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But through what methods are you approaching the power of the archetype? Talismans/amulets? Conjuration and pacts? Pseudo-theurgy? Some methods purportedly work better than others if I'm to believe some of my magician friends. That's of course assuming the magician has incorporated all the required bells and whistles like electional timing, appropriate fragrance, symbola/synthemata, materia magica, fasted and taken a bath so they don't smell like a cow, etc.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The quality of discussion on this site has gone so low over the past 14 years, it is almost unbelievable.
    No wonder all the good posters have left, it is just like that one anon once said 'the future of EerieWeb is just bots talking to each-other, calling each-other a Black person eternally'.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"all the good posters have left"
      >is still here
      Uh huh. Ok. Why anyone stays to endure things they don't like is mystifying. Unless you're just here to b***h and moan and not actually contribute anything. What's your next move? To regurgitate some shit about not casting pearls? Lol shut the frick up and move along, charlatan.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My goals are beyond your understanding.
        >To regurgitate some shit about not casting pearls?
        I am doing that already. Would you rather I call you a moron and we leave it at that?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >My goals are beyond your understanding
          LMAO this guy larping like a cloak and dagger lodge homosexual. You have no power over anyone, least of all yourself. Frick off.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where do /x/philes think "real" magic is
    do sorcerers just not use the internet lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what we want you to think

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's obvious that no one here has any magic. Yes, that includes me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      duh
      not even the "epic sorcerers" can point those interested to anything
      its just obvious bullshit

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no such thing as manipulating possibility, something either has the potential to occur under the laws that govern the universe or it doesn't. There is, however, such thing as manipulating probability.
    Pondering that difference may serve you well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >le loa
      nah homie its causality all the way down

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You put words in my mouth, I am not here to argue for loa nor in favor of anything OP may refer to as "magic". I am simply offering a perspective I think would serve to ascend this train of questioning, which is nothing but a waste of time based on the label of "magic". There are possibilities, impossibilities, and probabilities. Probabilities can be influenced. I don't disagree that there is always causality unless you are meaning to tell me you can't manipulate the probability of outcomes through your own employment of causality. And then, ofcourse, perhaps there are causes you do not understand, like a primitive man dealing with the effects of advanced technology.
        Consider that there may be higher dimensions, and greater beings, greater realms. We may be in a simulation, or under observation, put here by a God. There may be those things that our rules we must abide do not apply to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          thats just called doing shit
          and theres no way to communicate with 4d beings or get them to help you
          otherwise prayer would work

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Prayer not working means prayer doesn't work. If I stand outside your home whispering for favors or throwing pebbles at your window, I guess that means communicating with you is equally impossible.
            Yet here we are, by the "magic" of the internet, communicating.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except that the problem with your analogy is that the window, the person behind the window and the pebble clearly exist and there's no mysterious method by which to work them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I meant to add that, based on you not responding (perhaps even going unnocticed entirely), then with your reasoning it is safe to assume you cannot be communicated with. A greater being is not necessarily omnipresent or even capable of finding the meaning of all of the order in that of a lower plane.
            Say I am calling out halfway around the world from you, asking for you to mow my lawn. I go home and my lawn is not mowed. We both, however, exist, and would you have been in the right place, could have heard me and refused to my face. Say I did so in a different language, you would not even know I am talking to you. However, I could communicate the same message in other ways.
            The complexities around communicating up and down through dimensions by two different entities is way too complex to suggest we cpuld assume it is simply guarunteed or impossible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, you're attempting to use as an analogy beings whose existence can be observed clearly no matter how hard it may be for you to communicate with them. You don't need to draw a magic circle on the floor and burn incense to speak with a human being. You can use simple sign language if they speak another language, you can call them or email them if they're further away. And assuming they're not on the other side of the world, you can nicely ask them to mow your lawn for a fair price. To say that interdimensional communication is "too complex to discuss" is to assume that there even is such a thing as beings in another dimension to communicate with. You're putting the horse before the cart. Please, no more bad analogies. The truth of this matter should be clearly presented in clear and precise manner with detailed steps instead of through indirect rhetoric and thought experiments.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you believe there is no truth beyond what can be publicly proved or demonstrated, you are ruling out the possibility of magic from the get-go. Magic is not something you're going to figure out using only your left hemisphere.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you, presumably with your "left hemisphere", have figured out magic so well that you're unable to undeniably demonstrate it beyond doubt for even skeptics to accept. Have you ever even conjured a grimoire spirit to some level of detectable presence with other people around to corroborate your success?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Read my post.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >magic is when you suspend all standards of testing truth and just believe whatever head cannon the other anon has
            Got it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you don't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I do. That's why you've got nothing left to say other than stamping your feet and insisting "you just don't understand magic, you're approaching it the wrong way". Years ago while on vacation in Java I was given the opportunity to sit in while a dukun performed some magic. To make me and all four of my friends see the same vision in a bowl of lime water is no trivial feat. That is my litmus test. You can accept it or go away and get lost in your own meandering mind plays.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So there is real magic you witnessed?
            I agree though. Internet magic is not real

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But this is the thing: there's no way for you to know whether or not I'm lying. My point is that the truth of this stuff is not to be decided in the pointless back and forth volleys of internet chatter. You go out in the world and actually try shit out. And have other people around to experience it too. It's extra nice if they're skeptics.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon I am not the person you were arguing with.
            But I agree, talk is cheap.
            As I said earlier, if these were real “magicians” they wouldn’t be hambeast manfaces.
            They would be the sexy fit young women that they always complain about.
            Really, each person would have been their ideal self, and no one ideal is being an ugly fat frick.
            Some years ago I was reading on subjects of sigils and there was this “wizards” who did great things with sigils including creating egrigores, attracted people in his life, etc.
            And the moment I saw his picture I doubted all of it.
            He was just one ugly dude, with a blobby face.
            There is no way, no way in hell, that you know magic, and not trying to fix your body face.
            No way in hell

            >vision in a bowl of lime water
            Nice. That kind of magic is related to Babylonian oil magic or israeli "princes of the thumb". I think the PGM has some entries on it too.

            Right! Lecanomancy like in PGM IV 154-285. I swear I'm not purposely being a fedoragay. I've just seen too much bullshit, and too few legitimate demonstrations of magic, however anyone wants to define that term. My standards are just higher as a result.

            Seems you two knowing a good deal about magic.
            Though it’s not the type I care about. Being pragmatic and all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i mean if he was ugly n still gettin b***hes then thers gotta be some magic involved

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >vision in a bowl of lime water
            Nice. That kind of magic is related to Babylonian oil magic or israeli "princes of the thumb". I think the PGM has some entries on it too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right! Lecanomancy like in PGM IV 154-285. I swear I'm not purposely being a fedoragay. I've just seen too much bullshit, and too few legitimate demonstrations of magic, however anyone wants to define that term. My standards are just higher as a result.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Right! Lecanomancy like in PGM IV 154-285. I swear I'm not purposely being a fedoragay. I've just seen too much bullshit, and too few legitimate demonstrations of magic, however anyone wants to define that term. My standards are just higher as a result.

            I just learned something new.
            Now I have a project to go try. Thanks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Being pragmatic and all.
            It's just my opinion but evocatory scrying is more pragmatic than le burp and drawing eggplants in the air in cardinal directions. And your talk of "ideal self" sounds like HGA stuff. If that's in the context of Abramelin, more power to you, But I don't put much stock in the Crowleyan adoption of the concept. When the oil magic works, there's an undeniable spirit appearance and it shows visions in the reflective surface that's relevant to the question posed. But "when" is the operative word.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meant for

            Anon I am not the person you were arguing with.
            But I agree, talk is cheap.
            As I said earlier, if these were real “magicians” they wouldn’t be hambeast manfaces.
            They would be the sexy fit young women that they always complain about.
            Really, each person would have been their ideal self, and no one ideal is being an ugly fat frick.
            Some years ago I was reading on subjects of sigils and there was this “wizards” who did great things with sigils including creating egrigores, attracted people in his life, etc.
            And the moment I saw his picture I doubted all of it.
            He was just one ugly dude, with a blobby face.
            There is no way, no way in hell, that you know magic, and not trying to fix your body face.
            No way in hell
            [...]
            [...]
            Seems you two knowing a good deal about magic.
            Though it’s not the type I care about. Being pragmatic and all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure.
            I am not dismissive of it as real magic.
            Not at all.
            It’s only that I don’t see it as anything that can affect anyone life.
            Unless someone somewhere seriously researching those sorts of magic, trying to make a break though and get to something higher.
            That being said, how come you two know about REAL magic like this, but never tried to learn and replicate it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I don't know about the other anon, but I've tried to replicate PGM operations before. Just to very sporadic success. And as for affecting anyone's life, finding out where in the world a long lost high school friend might be ranks quite highly for me. It wasn't some kind of parlor trick. We asked the dukun where our friend was, he did his routine, and our friend's face was in the lime water. One of my friends laid down some rules like don't blurt out what you see if anything, and save the description for a note we'd individually write later without discussing it with each other. We all described the same setting, went to the country where he was supposedly, and there he was teaching English.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty crazy.
            So you can use to find lost objects, hidden objects.
            And probably has lots of industrial/military espionage value too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/download_pdf/Babylonian_and_in_the_Later_israeli_1000087782.pdf
            https://ia801300.us.archive.org/19/items/TheGreekMagicalPapyriInTranslation/The_Greek_Magical_Papyri_in_Translation.pdf
            Good luck, bro.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Translation: I've never even tried to conjure anything.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To think is to conjure.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's the point of the anology. I cannot describe to you exactly how it'd work because we don't know, and it's just theoretical. You said communication is impossible, my response to simply try to get across that we do not know that based on "my prayers didn't work".
            People really have a hard time acknoweledging unknown unknowns, and admitting them. There is simply no need to jump to conclusions.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >another armchair theoretician
            You're not the kind of person to bring value to a discussion about whether or not we can practically communicate with beings in another dimension.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you OP?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I'm the guy telling you that theoreticals are not what we need to show we can communicate with beings in another dimension. Someone who's actually done and can do it again for other people to see is who's needed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I am the kind of person to suggest many things that are not apparent to use may influence causality and that is what one should consider possible as opposed to thinking of seemingly supernatural things as "magic" where real-life wizards hurl fireballs from their hands.
            And then I am also the kind of guy to point out some such examples because they are beyond our understanding, and then defend the fact that one of them is beyond our understanding, and possible, when it is called impossible.
            My goal is only to open minds like OP, and to get them to a better place where there resides better questions.
            People often think that I am taking a hard stance and attack me, they take me revealing possibilities as taking a stance. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything except what they do not know. What they fill in the rest with is up to them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To admit that something is beyond your understanding but then speak at length about it (even if only suggestively) is a waste of time if you're not actively figuring out practical ways to test your hypothetical ideas. I get it. It's fun to shoot the shit like you're in the studio with Joe Rogan, but I'm actually serious about this. I'm open-minded enough to consider the possibility of something being true, but not gullible to the point of accepting every conjecture and speculation shoved my way. I need more than just the free-form musings of an internet rando. At least try something practically instead of just wading in the kiddy pool of theories. Goetia, CE5, something. Try it with other people around. See what results there are, see if you can reproduce the results, etc. I'm tired of armchair magicians and pseuds.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You and me both, we are seeking knoweledge, wisdom, and evidence, meanwhile OP is asking if magic is real then why isnt Gandalf casting spells at 711. Yeah I don't know if higher-deminsional beings exist or anything about what they are, but we should all be aware of such possibilities, and something like that, or any other of a number of decent theories, is what should come to mind in place of what most normies think of as "magic". So really, I just want him on the same page as us. He needs to get a better feel of where to search.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ffs magic is not real in your reality tunnel we get it. put a bow on it be a homosexual somewhere else

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh robert anton wilson
            You have poor reading skills. I wasn't even saying magic isn't real.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >manipulating probability
      So if I have an objective and put it in some thought and effort into achieving it, the probability of success improves, yes?
      Why, that just sounds like... normal every day effort.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Correct. However, not all causality is apparent to us, and there does exist an infinitely high ceiling for what means of causality could be employed, and what order might exist upon higher planes.
        In other words, a man cannot will a fireball into existence from nothing, but there may exist that which can travel through space and time and universes like you take a walk in the park. That is what is worth searching for.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >might
          >may
          Yeah, thanks. I'm good. Human lifetimes are finite.
          I'd rather deal with what is apparent than go off on side quests full of hypotheticals.
          Good luck. I hope you isekai into a world where willing fireballs into existence is a thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seeking more than what is apparent isn't for everyone. It is what this board is for, though. You might be in the wrong place fren.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Seeking more than what is apparent
            Aka imaginary friends lol. I'm not even a total skeptic.
            Aliens and cryptids still remain a possibility for me. I just expect clear evidence.
            Dunking on idiots is a valid pastime.
            This is exactly the right place to be.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am a big fan of evidence as well. For me personally, I'm mostly here keeping an eye out for new information. I do enjoy discourse with those who take strong stances, especially who take up against someone as agnostic as myself when I try to enlighten someone, usually assuming I am as strongly opinionated as they are and disagree with them by default. They might see imaginary friends, but you see imaginary prey. Sorry to knock the ball out of your hands.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    METTEYA

    > anon doesn't hack the noosphere for fun
    ngmi

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why wouldn't magic be real?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eat shit, bot.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because it doesnt follow cause and effect. thinking angry thoughts doesnt let me pyrokinetically ignite a piece of paper, because what transfer of energy would heat the paper enough to combust?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      beep boop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as requested

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. 99% of the discussions and replies in this thread aren't from me, but I am reading obviously to see what people have to say.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Viperion

    >Magic is weak

    That's a you problem. I have no problem manifesting some rather extraordinary shit. If anything, my last act of magic was me jumping the shark lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >manifesting
      Let me guess, you got another job, you got a romantic partner, or you climbed a ladder. Damn that's all so extraordinary.

      Shit that literally 99% of other people do, and likely more effectively than you do, without trying to "manifest" anything at all.

      You think wrongly because then the powerful would be using it to cheat death
      In state funerals would be a thing of the past

      >You think wrongly because then the powerful would be using it to cheat death
      You making too many assumptions.

      1. It could be a well known part of occult knowledge that after you die you move onto a greater realm to continue your training and evolution as a spiritual entity. So instead of death being this thing to be feared, death is just a natural part of the cycle to those who have the knowledge.

      2. These people could just be body swapping or creating new bodies for themselves to inhabit after they die, and just transferring their souls into new born babies or children.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds stupid, they shouldve extended their lives instead to hold onto their knowledge and power instead of moving into some squishy brained baby
        also how they "soul transferring" in the age of neurology lol like they hookin up electrodes or some shit man we all know there aint no soul

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >sounds stupid, they shouldve extended their lives instead to hold onto their knowledge and power
          Maybe it's only possible once you get to a certain level of power, and some people can keep themselves immortal because they progress quickly, while others have to keep body swapping until they get to that level of power.

          We wouldn't know anyways. Maybe it's just a game for some of these guys and they like the idea of living a completely new life as a completely new person every century or so. Maybe they are so far above a human existence that they see changing lives no differently than we see changing tv shows after we've finished the current one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nah thered be historical evidence if any of that were real

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nah thered be historical evidence if any of that were real
            What's stopping them from erasing or obscuring the evidence, when they are the ones hiring the teams to do the excavating, etc. I don't think you get what I'm saying, I'm saying these individuals are the true rulers of the planet, controlling things behind the scenes.

            It's funny how people like you will easily believe in the conspiracy that the israelites own, control and manipulate pretty much everything, but you can't imagine a group above them that controls even them and does the same (or maybe the group I'm talking about is an upper faction of the israelites, who knows).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. typical schizo-tard

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have said this shit in so many threads and I always get hate for it lol. LoA is the best example of this nonsense

    >I got another wage slave job using LoA, seeeeee, it works!
    Their best example of "magic working" is them becoming a wage slave, instead of them escaping wage slavery.

    It's like these people have extremely low standards, lack self-awareness, and they can't think for themselves.

    >Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame? The first explanation would be it simply doesn't exist and everyone is roleplaying, but let's assume it is possible for the sake of discussion.
    I actually believe that it's possible, but it's just that nobody who can actually do it would talk about it online.

    Think about it. If magic is real, there is likely some group of rulers / governing body that makes the rules, hides in shadows, kills off people that make the knowledge public or abuse their power too openly, etc.

    This is why the only occultists you see talking online are likely delusional, mentally ill, or at best people who can only do "parlor trick tier" magic that can't affect physical reality (and they learned how to do it on a fluke and they don't know how to properly teach it so their students get inconsistent results).

    I think the extreme "harry potter magic" is possible, it's just that none of us will ever gain access to the knowledge and training required to achieve it.

    It's like there is a "world behind the scenes" and were just barred off from taking part in it.

    If that's not the case I'd say magic doesn't exist, because you'll never get me to call the low tier nonsense that people label as feats on these forums "magic".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think wrongly because then the powerful would be using it to cheat death
      In state funerals would be a thing of the past

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not to mention manifesting planes droppin outta the sky instead of wasting millions on missiles lol

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame?
    FOR YOU

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Relevant question:
    Discovered a leyline on my property. How can I maximize my mapping of it's nodes, and how can I get the most benefit from it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Drum on it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Drum on the earth, or play something like a bongo? How will drumming help with either part of this?

        Relevant question:
        Discovered a leyline on my property. How can I maximize my mapping of it's nodes, and how can I get the most benefit from it?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no such thing as magic, there is only technology. If you have good enough technology, you can perform whatever you would call magic.

    So, why we don't have good enough magic? Because we don't have enough knowledge.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    nah that "shit in school" is the foundation of our knowledge of reality and its why we can live the cozy lives we do doing magic larp

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idk about you but I'd plap far right until my dick flew off.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Skill issue y'all dumb homosexualrons

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Garrote

    We have physical laws, but one thing physicists don't understand is there are subtler types of causality at play, mainly to do with consciousness and probability.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because the 3rd density is unbearably slow, and unless you’re fueling your magic with child sacrifice it doesn’t seem to work at all.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently did as magickal ritual, it’s been 3 days or so, not sure if it’s working. Give us a stronger love ritual. Satanic or black magic, it doesn’t matter. Just give me one

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're being a simpleton

    Most accomplished magicians generally aren't associated with magic, but whatever it is they succeeded in (looks, fame, status, power, whatever), and even if they openly admit to doing magic, that part is usually ignored because there are just so many other things discussed about them.

    Obviously the new age stuff is BS. I'd add chaos magic in this category.

    Successful magicians are part of the managerial class or are members of cults, or social networks (like what freemasonry used to be)

    Fat wicca nerds are nowhere near the same level as long-time religious ceremonial magicians whose families have been practicing for centuries, but even then, magic is basically "para-religion", as in, it is mystical by nature and cannot easily be proven with empirical observations.

    Meaning, for the most part, you won't be seeing fire balls cast from wands and whatnot. Most mature ceremonial magic cults (including those of the managerial class) have long Christian-like "liturgies" and complicated rituals often lasting hours, days or even years.

    Most would agree that the rituals do work. These people end up running governments, companies and organizations, maybe end up celebrities etc.

    It's just that they lose their souls in the process

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Most accomplished magicians generally aren't associated with magic
      ya know, except all the classical occultists and wizards

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno if it's real but they say yogis do physics-breaking things. The theory behind em seems plausible, that reality is a dream

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are half right OP, magick is a subtle force, but 'real' nonetheless.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not only was Paracelsus a magician, wizard and sorceror, he was also a fantastic beatboxer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How dare you call him a beatboxer! Admit you're wrong and I will accept your concession.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paracelsus invented wikipedia and intentionally left out "magician" from his list of occupations so Biden wouldn't set the inquisition on him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FRICK, WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wait.. isn't paracelsus the guy who suggested the use of poppet dolls to cure dancing mania?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek nobody wants to talk about that
      we're just supposed to focus on his alchemy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I believe that could be a postmorten thing attributed to him? But it could be. Wizard or seer or evoker or whatever the frick you want to call him, he was no materialist

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, alchemist 😀

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah. Alchemist AND magician.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol what spells did he practice, what magic did he perform anon? Is written language magic to you?

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice to know historical literacy is now something to be mocked on /x/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If only things explicitly written down by an author is to be considered history, maybe you should write about your parents. Otherwise they won't be history either.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bizarre insult and fails to impact anon. Context still matters tho.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The context being that alchemy, medicine and magic were integral in his practice. Keep trying to sound smart.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol no again Context anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol no again to you. That IS the context.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, it isnt.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm gonna just keep saying yes every time you spam no. And every time you repeat "I accept your concession", I'm just gonna laugh at your desperate need to change my thought. Tough luck. That ain't happening. Paracelsus was a magician.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So to conclude: Paracelsus was a magician. I'm going to bed now, but I'll return tomorrow to say the same. Good night.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, but Im sure you'll just keep repeating it. To call him a magician is to completely misunderstand what counted as magic and what was natural during his time. To him those werent magical beings, they were natural beings, to him alchemy was a natural science(in a way it was too). To be considered a wizard would have been a insult to him, he was called a necromancer to that effect. He was a chemist, a philosopher and an alchemistic sorry you need this childish shit to avoid being wrong on such a small unimportant subject

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more semantic raging
        In your words: I accept your concession.

        no, paracelsus was a sorcerer!

        But no... he would be offended if you called him that! Lmao..

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus you were desperate for attention

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >is the one actually desperate for attention
            Sorry. I can't be your step-dad, Jimmy. Your mom's a prostitute.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Were you just sitting in the thread waiting for a response??

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, paracelsus was a sorcerer!

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magick is meant for men to wield. It's not meant for women and homosexuals. Simple as.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Crowley was a raging homosexual

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been thinking about this question my entire life. I have come up with several possibilities.

    First, assuming magic is based off spiritual enlightenment, philosophical proficiency and mental acumen, then the average person probably can't use magic, take the internet, for the past couple years normies have been touting DEI as both supremely logical and ethical, but nowadays opinions are turning, people think they're annoying and companies are dumping them, this is a microcosm showing the wheels of samsara, in a few years, people will switch gears again, feel guilty about the past and forget why we even argued in the first place going for decades, I can count multiple occasions where I've changed my mind about something and tossed away my former perspective like a piece of garbage, only to do the opposite again, dragged unwillingly across different beliefs. For a person who is spiritually enlightened this wouldn't happen, they would have the perspective to truly see all sides of an issue and most of them are untrue, but most people who practice magic shit are not like this, they have a specific ideology built into their practice like non interference or pacifism, and ultimately that's what hampers their practice. If you ask any new ager what "enlightenment" feels like, they'll just say "oh you'll know it when you feel it" but thats not really true, thats how you settle for schizo coincidence seer magic, to get the real thing you actually have to fight a spiritual battle against yourself.

    There's also the option that its other things like demons though. Maybe elites are hiding magic, or maybe its archons, ask a gnostic anon and they'll tell you that "spirit animals" all the Wiccan go gaga for are actually demons meant to distract from higher levels of perception, in fact at a certain level of true intention, archons will just force you to have a heart attack and die.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Another anon once reccomended some Chinese guy called John Chang, there are old videos of him on YouTube and supposedly he had real chi powers, you can even see in the video him set a ball of paper on the ground, press it with his hand and set it on fire, or drive a pen through a table. This was done for a documentary several decades ago, but he refused to keep filming because apparently his master came to him in ghost form and was passed he was showing their cool shit to plebs, so thats another option, that Chinese ghost dudes are preventing the filthy mortals from achieving an immortal spiritual body so they don't have to deal with a spirit world population boom or something.

      There's also the fact that most spiritual traditions in the modern day are based off stuff Crowley did, but Crowley didn't really do a good job at creating a consistent objective magic tradition, in fact he did the opposite, he basically took an ancient text from a israeli mystic about how to achieve gnosis and be blessed by divine power, and butchered it. The original ritual outlined was very ascetic in nature, consisting of multiple trials including an 18 month long retreat from the world where you cannot speak, for like three of those months you couldn't even allow people to see you or you had to start over, but Crowley used his classic "muh individual path" to shorten that down to a three month total retreat, which he failed to complete, so he had a "revalation" and managed to do the whole process via a three day mass orgy, and that's one of the biggest differences, most Magick practitioners do it because they're lazy, but the shit there is not easy, it ain't free either, according to the mystic all that time he spent was just to prove himself to God, and after he gained awesome powers he had to make a vow to basically never sin again and live his life in the service of others, so its possible God (if he exists) is personally controlling who gets magic, and is very picky.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Crowley was just a sex and drug addled freak high off the attention he got from whatever he was doing that day. If it wasnt magic it was mountain climbing, or just shitting on Christianity. If he was born today he would have just been another vtuber or more likely, a lolcow

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          homie tried to be the Bruce Lee of magic, but he was more like the V-Shred honestly.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Problem is he was simply there for attention, he was creative, Ill give you that, though only to a point, as it all just revolved around sex in the end, and modern Thelemites cant ever take a joke because even they realize it wasn't that serious, and if they acknowledge that, the whole thing might fall apart

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem today is most people get into this shit to rebel. Its a moronic phase for most, then you get the witchtokers and tumblr witches who do it to feel special or for a sense of community. Here you've essentially seen the occult and conspiracy community merged into some insane demon thing that makes utterly no sense. The people who get into that might actually do something requires such a perfect storm of requirements (good education, high will power to actually study this shit, mentally sound) that you
        ll probably see 1 in 10 million, MAYBE

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Harry potter magic is impractical, theatrical nonsense.
    Real magic is way more subtle and powerful.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its not the magic thats weak. its people

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think conflating fiction with reality is an argument?

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (Before you read the following: Don't hurt yourself.)

    Let's say you can hurt yourself .
    What's stopping you from doing it?
    Try overcoming it.
    It'll be scary. Try to hurt yourself.
    I suggest this: try to tear your muscles apart from contracting them really hard.
    Whatever stops you, is also the source of what stops you from doing magic, or at least one form of it.

    I did "magic", or at least saw some genuine paranormal phenomena, by pushing myself to the extreme physically and mentally. Like trying to tell a person I knew that I'd love to have some time with his daughters (I didn't actually say it, but I almost did). I did stupid things, which were at least to my perception, fricking crazy and way out of my comfort zone. And they resulted in noticeable paranormal phenomena.

    So maybe like other things in life, it's a reap what you sow kind of deal? If you put in genuine effort like trying to go out of your comfort zone or putting in focused work, you'll get something.

    If that sounds lame to you, and you still want some sort of insane reality bending magic, well... I guess you could somehow try to completely leave the paradigm of our shared reality. But, reading authors like Peter Carroll, I've realised that the magick they can do is not because they somehow leave reality behind. Rather, they work within it, producing results by playing around with what is actually a natural part of our reality.

    As an example, look at LoA. Let's say we all have some sort of ability to "manifest" things. For our manifestations to be meaningful and desirable, we'd want to integrate that whole idea of manifestation with our normal mind, like our emotions, subconscious feelings, thoughts, opinions, language, etc. If we tried to manifest "from scratch", what we would get either would be so weak as to be imperceptible, or irrelevant, or just plain useless. So that's why we have a framework in which we do things, so that we don't have to build it all up from scratch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but the constantly poking reality with a stick approach you described is something that resonates with me too. Can you tell about some results or phenomena you experienced with this approach?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yo. You just made me realize I do this thing all the time. I'm a fricking weirdo and I do something that most people are completely afraid of: trying to stare at everyone down. Most people would feel complete shame if they went around doing that, but for me it's a very conscious thing. And I do it because I have yet to meet a person who will stare me down... Is that magic? Because I'm doing something literally everyone is super afraid of doing, because they fear the consequences?

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    imho magic can influence only your reality tunnel but once in a while someone else's reality tunnel gets manipulated too. when we are all like gods why should it be easy or even achievable to change the reality of other gods in a reliable manner? and yeah, everyone's a larper at some point, it comes with the territory

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >when we are all like gods
      because we're not. Only in your own space or dreamworld. The very defining characteristic of the real adult world is that there are real adult risks and not everything can be done at the snap of s thought. The higher up into the world's your awareness goes the more serious it gets and the less you even worry about the notion of gods. Its just not important and no one really cares.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        being a god is a matter of perspective I guess
        >Verification not required.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is up with that phenotype in the middle of the photo? I swear I always see someone like that practicing wicca or pagan shit
    >chinless
    >fat blob head
    >wanted to be taken seriously
    There has to be a reason for the pattern

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      80% of Americans are obese or overweight

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god came back for a lil bit and that really dampened the magick of things, fantasy did exist but Christ literally stopped it for our sake

    >why?

    bcus traditional magick thats "out of this world" was things that had God-like power (which came from God) but was not one with God. God only changes the world (since Christ) in subtle ways that are only explained by the World; by God. These non-one-with-God things found themselves actively violating a decent bit of natural law because they had power to change the world directly, but didn't abide by the same laws that God set.

    >why god allow?

    bcus God wanted to punish us or something? Idk, back before Christ he did that a lot

    >fairy tales

    literally pray to jeebus it helped me with my tummy ache from anxiety on the bus to work

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think maybe it was meant to be used collectively, not just by single individuals.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If someone tells you they can do "magic", they can't do "magic".
    Nobody can do "magic".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tested everyone to prove there's no Magick? "We" just need a broader definition of Magick. Magick is Any rite, ritual, Intention, experiment, ceremony, practice, prayer, blessing, cursing, request, or contemplation used to ask a Higher power (HGA) or god to grant you something you want. It also uses your Will to effect a psychic, paranormal, probability, supernatural change, or wish fulfillment. Xtianity, therefore, has had a near monopoly on magick for centuries while denouncing anyone elses use of it, including their parishioners! It's time to do some "trust-busting"! It'sbeen hiding in plain sight.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, let's round up all magic practitioners and test them. With proper controls and protocols.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It'sbeen hiding in plain sight.
        It's been hiding in the poverty of all it's practitioners. It's scary to me how literally every mediocre person can convince themselves that they are capable of magic, and yet they see no logical flaw in the fact that they lives remain as unchanged and powerless as every other non-practitioner around them.

        I could never delude myself into believing nonsense like that.

        When someone has a 140+ (Genius) IQ, they are completely aware of it, their abilities reflect that, they are undeniably superior to those around them who don't have their abilities, and their results in life reflect their superiority.

        There are exceptions, but that's the rule. There are average IQ ranges for certain career fields, and higher IQ's dominate the more specialized well paying fields.

        When someone has great physical genetics and athletic talent, it's the same thing.

        Heck, just height alone works like this. Stats show that around 60% of Fortune 500 CEO's are 6ft or taller, but 6ft men only make up 15% of the US population. So 15% of the population dominate CEO positions at a 60% rate.

        This shows you that humans still operate on a somewhat primitive level, where physicality determines respect and whether a man is seen as a "leader". There were very likely short (average height) men that were just as qualified if not more, but they lost the spot just to height alone.

        To get to the point, when someone has exclusive abilities/traits that the majority of the population lacks, their lives reflect that reality, and they can use those abilities to their advantage in various aspects of life.

        The life of a tall man is blatantly easier and more enjoyable
        The life of a genius is blatantly easier and more enjoyable
        the life of an athlete is blatantly easier and more enjoyable

        So..... why isn't the life of an individual that claims they can manipulate reality with magic (a VERY exclusive ability) not blatantly superior and more enjoyable?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          great post

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because none of those things are true. On this site right now there are 130+ iq people who live like shit. People who would crush some sport but never got to. Virgin lanklets. No amount of nebulous statistics about height or whatever can change the fact life can suck, and for most it does, no matter your qualities.
          By the way, notice many wizards in legend don't have happy ever after. So wanting some weak probability manipulation or ganzfeld telepathy to carry you up to untold riches and success is a little presumptuous.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >On this site right now there are 130+ iq people who live like shit.
            1. Lol at "EerieWebners are geniuses bro", sorry, I don't think that's the case.

            2. Remember when I said:

            >It'sbeen hiding in plain sight.
            It's been hiding in the poverty of all it's practitioners. It's scary to me how literally every mediocre person can convince themselves that they are capable of magic, and yet they see no logical flaw in the fact that they lives remain as unchanged and powerless as every other non-practitioner around them.

            I could never delude myself into believing nonsense like that.

            When someone has a 140+ (Genius) IQ, they are completely aware of it, their abilities reflect that, they are undeniably superior to those around them who don't have their abilities, and their results in life reflect their superiority.

            There are exceptions, but that's the rule. There are average IQ ranges for certain career fields, and higher IQ's dominate the more specialized well paying fields.

            When someone has great physical genetics and athletic talent, it's the same thing.

            Heck, just height alone works like this. Stats show that around 60% of Fortune 500 CEO's are 6ft or taller, but 6ft men only make up 15% of the US population. So 15% of the population dominate CEO positions at a 60% rate.

            This shows you that humans still operate on a somewhat primitive level, where physicality determines respect and whether a man is seen as a "leader". There were very likely short (average height) men that were just as qualified if not more, but they lost the spot just to height alone.

            To get to the point, when someone has exclusive abilities/traits that the majority of the population lacks, their lives reflect that reality, and they can use those abilities to their advantage in various aspects of life.

            The life of a tall man is blatantly easier and more enjoyable
            The life of a genius is blatantly easier and more enjoyable
            the life of an athlete is blatantly easier and more enjoyable

            So..... why isn't the life of an individual that claims they can manipulate reality with magic (a VERY exclusive ability) not blatantly superior and more enjoyable?

            >There are exceptions, but that's the rule. There are average IQ ranges for certain career fields, and higher IQ's dominate the more specialized well paying fields.
            I already know that there are a FEW people with above average IQ's that are under-performing in life because of various circumstances, but that is not the majority, that's a small subset, a tiny exception to the rule.

            >No amount of nebulous statistics about height or whatever can change the fact life can suck, and for most it does, no matter your qualities.
            Never said life can't suck, you are arguing against a strawman. the point still stands that there are rules, and people who are genetically gifted tend to life exceptional lives and have many advantages over those that aren't genetically gifted.

            So someone who has the gift of magic which dwarfs the superiority of any genetic gift should have an amazing life (on average), but the large majority of so called magicians I talk to online are wage slaves with shitty lives.

            So it's more likely that they are just delusional and they can't actually do magic.

            >By the way, notice many wizards in legend don't have happy ever after.
            >So wanting some weak probability manipulation or ganzfeld telepathy to carry you up to untold riches and success is a little presumptuous.
            How do you know they were even legit?
            Aren't you being presumptuous?

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If magic is real make me win lottery, all 6 numbers so my brother can have a successful heart surgery, otherwise magic is fake and gay.
    Checkmate wizlarp bros

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried gitting gud?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Have you tried gitting gud?
      >muh hemisync
      >still a wage slave
      >still living an average life
      >still can't get b***hes like 6'5" hylic that can't "git gud"
      What's the point of arbitrarily ascribing worth to something that has not tangibly improved your life in any objective way (key word is objective, not subjective nonsense like "I feel enlightened" or "I feel at peace").

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you are a materialistic moron then you should've studied stocks, dumbass.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >is poor and still has no magic

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you are a materialistic moron then you should've studied stocks, dumbass.
          1. There's no point in studying stocks. The best and most effective investment plan for anyone is to just put all of their money in an index fund and take advantage of the fact that you get a guaranteed 11% return per year (instead of gambling).

          2. There is no such thing as "materialistic" when you look at reality over time. People like you just lack the self awareness to realize that.

          You are talking to me right now through an advanced technological device, you don't hunt for meat or farm your own vegetables (you go to the grocery store), you enjoy all the entertainment you want, you eat great food when you want, you have high quality sanitation facilities, etc.

          Most of us today have more materialistic lives than a fricking king 1000 years ago, and 1000 years from now, what we call materialistic today, will be the new normal of tomorrow.

          It's all relative. You have just been raised to see all the modern conveniences you enjoy as "normal" and "average", so you don't think of them as "materialistic luxuries".

          I mean the gateway tapes have seriously improved my life in many tangible objective ways. And actually one of those ways is financially. When I discover the gateway tapes I was 100k in debt. I am now semi retired. So you can use them for financial gain if that is something that is important to you.

          Sure totally believable, that's why you left out all of the details.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See above.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean the gateway tapes have seriously improved my life in many tangible objective ways. And actually one of those ways is financially. When I discover the gateway tapes I was 100k in debt. I am now semi retired. So you can use them for financial gain if that is something that is important to you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When I discover the gateway tapes I was 100k in debt. I am now semi retired.
          Woah there, grandpa. You went from A to B with no intermediate steps. Dish out the details.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only thing semi about him is his dick

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah semi in your moms mouth.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Get some viagra, pop-pops. And answer the other guy's question.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See above- also I will add this process took about 4 years in total.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The gateway tapes have tracks for solving all your financial problems including “visualize your ideal life one year from today”, “cast your problem out into the universe and wait for the answer to come back in a form you can understand” and also the “free flow” tracks which you can define for your own custom needs. Through these, I was shown ways to pay off all debts and attain the ideal life I visualized one year in the future. You don’t have to do the gateway tapes, you can laugh at this if you want. But I literally have money in the bank, every material thing I could ever want, ZERO debt of any kind, and I don’t work, don’t have a boss, and never have to set an alarm. So I guess it worked out ok for me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh, that's just called financial responsibility and adulting. Assuming you're not spinning yarns online, no one really needs hemisync or magic to learn how to make money, save, invest, etc. It just takes discipline and study. Now, if you conjure a spirit and it leads you to some treasure worth hundreds of millions of dollars, that's something worth discussing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            METTEYA

            top kek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >longtext meme
            No thanks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >CPAmon: he will teach you accounting, he has red hair and a tiny hat

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, in my opinion, today’s society is not fair. In fact, I would say it is rigged to destroy you. You will not be able to have a life I have through simple “work hard and save and don’t waste money on Starbucks”. You need the hemisync tapes to access a high level of consciousness where you will be shown how to receive the kind of money needed for a real quality of life. I’m talking about a quality of life you will never have from working at the Amazon warehouse and saving all you Pennies diligently. Some people will mock me and refuse to believe this and that’s ok. The tapes are out there for free. I’m posting this in case someone who is reading this is 100k in debt working a night shift job in a factory and totally hopeless. And in that case, you have nothing to lose and possibly much to gain by taking my advice

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, it's rigged. But people aren't as weak as they think they are. They have difficult choices to make but they still have choices, and they can achieve their goals with discipline and watching out for opportunities. You can do this with or without hemisync.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you for sharing it. Do you remember which series of tapes?

            I remember an anecdote in one of Ophiel's books, where an entrepreneur thrived during the Great Depression, until he became convinced that something wasn't working if he succeeded while others failed, at which point he too failed.
            It doesn't matter if it doesn't work for the vast majority. It's important that it works for you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You aren't describing magic, you are describing a placebo. Every other person I've talked to that used the tapes is a wage slave. You are taking a coincidence and confusing it with a miracle.

            You are also being very vague and that's likely on purpose because it's like you are trying to convince yourself.

            What the hell does this even mean, be specific:
            >I was shown ways to pay off all debts
            A voice whispered a legal loophole or a business opportunity in your ears?

            For every 1 person that thinks they magicked their way into winning the lottery, there's 9 other lottery winners that won without doing any magic at all, and there's 1000000+ people who lost.

            You just got lucky bro, on a planet of billions somebody is bound to get the specific sequence of life events that you did that leads to such coincidences.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You just got lucky bro, on a planet of billions somebody is bound to get the specific sequence of life events that you did that leads to such coincidences.

            Shouldn’t this just make it that much more obvious to you that the tapes worked?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Shouldn’t this just make it that much more obvious to you that the tapes worked?
            It seems like you can't read.

            You aren't describing magic, you are describing a placebo. Every other person I've talked to that used the tapes is a wage slave. You are taking a coincidence and confusing it with a miracle.

            You are also being very vague and that's likely on purpose because it's like you are trying to convince yourself.

            What the hell does this even mean, be specific:
            >I was shown ways to pay off all debts
            A voice whispered a legal loophole or a business opportunity in your ears?

            For every 1 person that thinks they magicked their way into winning the lottery, there's 9 other lottery winners that won without doing any magic at all, and there's 1000000+ people who lost.

            You just got lucky bro, on a planet of billions somebody is bound to get the specific sequence of life events that you did that leads to such coincidences.

            >For every 1 person that thinks they magicked their way into winning the lottery, there's 9 other lottery winners that won without doing any magic at all, and there's 1000000+ people who lost.

            1. The large majority of people that have the same outcomes as you did not use the tapes.

            2. The large majority of people that did use the tapes did not get your outcomes.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    DonktheClown

    >Why is magic ("magick") in our realm so lame?
    It's not. You simply believe it's lame, so you recognize a lot of lameness and you live that belief, no?. Change your mind and the world will change with you.

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because if everyone knew that the supernatural is real everyone would try to escape from this loosh farm so the ones who put us here want to limit our abilities and keep us focusing on the material.
    >captcha TNDNV

  64. 2 weeks ago
    METTEYA

    > spend years in the secular world learning a skill only to soul trap yourself chasing worthless cloth bills
    > or learn how to vajra hook wealth from the souls of the malicious straight to your door (total mastery of crypto and stocks)

    If only there were a goddess as based as Manohara Vasudhara

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >my scam is better than the others
      top kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        METTEYA

        > scam
        What do you think the yarmalukes are doing with their semitic blood magic? At least this is using pure positive energy.

        >vajra hook wealth from the souls of the malicious straight to your door
        As long as one attains spiritual union with Red Manohara Vasudhara, right? Lol mighty presumptive...

        > spiritual union blah blah blah
        Yeah, we're friends. What about it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vajra hook wealth from the souls of the malicious straight to your door
      As long as one attains spiritual union with Red Manohara Vasudhara, right? Lol mighty presumptive...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah... the problem with this kind of magic is that there's the ever convenient "I tried and I tried but the wealth wasn't coming in, but eventually I achieved spiritual union and by the time I got to that stage, I no longer had desire for wealth." I mean, what's the end goal of Buddhism anyway? Enlightenment and cessation of suffering. And how are people supposed to get there? By getting rid of their attachments to things like wealth. It's a fricking trick is what it is.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For "proof" of magic here you go. Do the simple prayers to these 8 angels, and you'll really see, and feel, some magic. Be serious, though, and make realistic requests.

    https://codexastarte.substack.com/p/invocation-of-the-angels-of-omnipotence

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we just stop calling the powerful stuff that actually works 'magic', those are called 'sciences' under the current paradigm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Let me redefine mundane shit as magic so that I can convince myself I'm capable of doing magic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of that "mundane shit" is only mundane because you are already used to it, there descriptions and explanations given with little symbolism and it's spiritual and metaphysical implication left for each to ponders instead of being explicitly told along side it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Most of that "mundane shit" is only mundane because you are already used to it
          No, it's mundane because it was achieved by obeying "natural law". Unlike you I don't lack self awareness. Being able to go to a grocery store and buy food is a luxury even though it's a common thing in the modern era, it's still not magic though, humans achieved the food production rates we have by selective breeding and genetic engineering of crops, using pesticides and herbicides, etc.

          It's not magic no matter how amazing it is, and how much it impacts our lives, because it was achieved through natural means that abide by natural laws.

          Starting fire with a lighter is amazing and very useful, it's still not magic because it involves using an flammable liquid and friction to start the fire and keep it lit.

          If you could start a fire with just the intent of your mind and by tapping into some kind of invisible energy (again with just your intent) that would a very clear and undeniable example of magic, because it defies natural law.

          You can't just redefine mundane scientifically understood phenomena as "magic" just because it looks flashy and/or is useful.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you could shoot fireballs with your hand you've already broken the matrix and would be able to do literally anything like move matter so you would be able to move planets and galaxies. You'd basically be able to move freely in the universe then. So no wonder that doesn't happen because then using such powers would be vanity when they could just ascend.

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