Why is atheism such a huge midwit trap?

Why is atheism such a huge midwit trap?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      now show what happens at 131 iq

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      >The General Social Surveys (GSS) were designed as part of a data diffusion project in 1972. The GSS replicated questionnaire items and wording in order to facilitate time-trend studies. The latest survey, GSS 2012, includes a cumulative file that merges all 29 General Social Surveys into a single file containing data from 1972 to 2012. The items appearing in the surveys are one of three types: Permanent questions that occur on each survey, rotating questions that appear on two out of every three surveys (1973, 1974, and 1976, or 1973, 1975, and 1976), and a few occasional questions such as split ballot experiments that occur in a single survey. The 2012 surveys included seven topic modules: israeli identity, generosity, workplace violence, science, skin tone, and modules for experimental and miscellaneous questions. The International Social Survey Program (ISSP) module included in the 2012 survey was gender. The data also contain several variables describing the demographic characteristics of the respondents.
      https://study.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/gss_codebook.pdf
      >The questions in this section have been taken from a standard ability test. Some of the respondents may be familiar
      with this test and may ask if you are administering an intelligence. test. You should respond that we are not testing
      their IQ. That's not possible. IQ involves many different skills; it takes a long time to assess and can only be
      assessed by trained psychologists. Rather, we are interested in how people of different ages solve problems of
      abstract reasoning.
      it seems you yourself have fallen into a midwit trap. self-reported surveys are one of the lowest LOEs possible for research data. IQ was estimated from an extremely abbreviated question array
      sample size is like n=60,000 total over four decades so you're sampling 0.018% of the population
      please look into your data sources before dumping moronic shit on the board and sitting back smugly self-satisfied

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yet you can’t provide any data of your own because it would show the same results.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because midwits like to think themselves better than others, atheist's favorite saying is "I don't need an imaginary friend". In reality, most of them just want to be angry because life is inherently unfair, you tell them that this life is a test, that we're supposed to learn from life, to be better than our base selves and they get all angry "why can't an all powerful god just make life easy" and fail to realize that would be pointless. Atheists are also some of the most insecure people on the planet, they NEED to put down others and so they look for the low IQ religious people so they can lord their midwit IQ over them, when in reality if you're high IQ you don't go looking to pick intellectual fights with morons because that in and of itself is moronic.

      >he thinks 128 IQ is high
      Every great scientist from Newton to Tesla was religious, no scientist who has actually added to science in the ways of real new discoveries has been atheist.
      All important things like physics has been advanced by those who understand there are greater forces at work than humanity. And as Oppenheimer said "the first sip from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass, there's god.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Newton didn't trust the jesuits, and believed human history was a lie
        >Tesla apparently had a tulpa he felt in love with

        And both would be killed by fanatical zealots.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >All important things like physics has been advanced by those who understand there are greater forces at work than humanity.
        Science doesn't deny that, and most scientists that are framed as "religious" were taken out of context after saying they believed in some sort of intelligent design.

        No fricking scientist will subscribe to a theological religious dogma i can tell you that much, and if they do, they're bad scientists.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >were taken out of context after saying they believed in some sort of intelligent design.
          This is the classic cope, tell me what does intelligent design entail? Because it clearly implies that a "higher power" created things because the design of the world hints not at a cosmic mistake but of a creator hand.
          Does this mean they were christian? No, but belief in a higher power is religion, even if it's some vague higher power like Einstein talking about how he believes in a "Cosmic force" sure he might not have believed in yahweh or his many iterations, he might not be hindu or the like but he certainly believed in something behind the creation of the universe.

          Furthermore, I think your interactions with "religious" people is just those who go to church and read their bible, which I'd argue isn't actually religious. Dogma is more or less a human creations, as are the books and buildings and priests, they're all at best "inspired" by god but any true religious person can form a personal connection to the divine and gain guidance and the such that way.
          And lastly, many scientists basically follow scientific doctrine and it's only getting worse. I cannot believe we had to endure the idea of "don't question the science!" when science is supposeed to be every changing and is meant to be questioned, but we're heading towards fricking church levels of dogma when it comes to science.
          Seriously, it's turning into a religion of its own with its own zealots. Worst part is most of you idiots don't even realize it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think you're conflating intelligent design with creationism, intelligent design can be viewed as an exploration of the origins of complexity and creationism is a faith based doctrine. Intelligent design for example has been explored by scientists in a manner similar to SETI, looking for patterns that might indicate an intelligent cause without implying a religious explanation. Overall the biggest scientists in history have integrated the philosophical concept of intelligent design with science, and the cope comes from the religious scene trying to paint them as representatives of creationism within the scientific community.

            As for your point about science being stagnant, that's most definitely only a public issue. Science keeps changing and growing behind closed doors, and this is because science has an avatar of an institution that projects probably the most power on earth, it naturally implies secrecy and manipulation of information. Nothing different from the biggest religious groups.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the biggest scientists in history have integrated the philosophical concept of intelligent design with science
            Such as who? The biggest names that I can think of all seemed to believe in a "higher power" and not extra terrestrial nature but of a spiritual nature.
            >Nothing different from the biggest religious groups.
            That's kind of my point. Science is basically turning into a religious institution on its own, especially as atheism grows as a movement, you're also getting low IQ individuals that are on the level of "well because the bibles says so" but instead it's "well because the science says so."
            Seriously, 2020 showed us there is little difference between religious zealots and science zealots. Peer reviewed studies are the doctrines and commandments of science, doctors and scientists are your priests, shitlords like Tyson and Bill Nye are your prophets.
            Give it 10 years and I'll bet science will be indistinguishable from a religion. The only real problem is that with religion only the gods have the power to destroy the world but with science now humans can destroy it via pollution and things like nukes.
            Wow, so great, thank you science.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Such as who?
            Isaac Newton, Planck, Schrodinger, Eddington, Fred Hoyle, David Bohm, Einstein, and a long etc.

            I didn't specifically referred to extra terrestrials, i just said patterns and intelligent design. I'm not saying science is in conflict with spirituality, my only point here from the beginning was that science is in conflict with religion, the theological part of it to be more concrete. I said many scientists are disingenuously portrait as religious when they're not.

            As for atheism which is the point of the thread, i don't even see it in conflict with spirituality because i don't see spirituality as reliant on theology. It's all just expressed through a different set of semantics and anyone who has studied esoteric models have most likely observed parallels that can be translated from the old spiritual esotericism to modern scientific discoveries.

            The main issue of discussing all this in a wider context is the fact that people tend to select a reddit fedora tipper and an exoteric religious church goer as representatives for each team.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Newton was definitely a theist, even more so he was deep into magic, especially numerology
            Planck was also expressly religious and even critical of atheists
            >Planck expressed the view that God is present everywhere, and he held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols
            Schrodinger
            >However, he had strong interests in Eastern religions and pantheism, and he used religious symbolism in his works.[15] He also believed his scientific work was an approach to Divinity in an intellectual sense
            Eddington
            > He argued for a deeply rooted philosophical harmony between scientific investigation and religious mysticism
            > he rejected the idea that science could provide proof of religious propositions
            Hoyle
            >Though Hoyle declared himself an atheist,[38] this apparent suggestion of a guiding hand led him to the conclusion that "a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and ... there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature
            Bohm was agnostic, not atheist from what I can find
            Einstein
            >He clarified, however, that, "I am not an atheist",[4] preferring to call himself an agnostic,[5] or a "religious nonbeliever

            Of those, only Hoyle self described as an atheist. So congratulations.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As i already said, we were discussing whether or not certain scientists were religious, i named scientists that weren't affiliated to organized religion and tried to integrate intelligent design into science.

            Intelligent design implies a guiding hand, this has to either be divine or something akin to ET stuff. It's all higher beings, but it isn't just by mistake, it implies a force behind things.
            To simplifiy, the only thing needed for divine beings to exist is for them to simply be higher than the 3rd spacial dimensional being, if you've seen Carl Sagan on flatlanders, you can imagine as us being flatlanders and gods being us in that analogy.
            In this circumstance you would be unable as a 3 dimensional being of being able to even conceptualize the higher dimensional and the beings therein, you would only be able to glimpse a mere fraction of them at best, and you'd never be able to piece it together to see the bigger picture, ergo you'd have to simply have faith that they are higher dimensional beings.

            What is your personal definition of an atheist? Because it really seems you're conflating agnostic with atheist. As I see it, atheists are those who actively reject the idea of divinity, that reject the idea that there are forces beyond the physical and that things like "spirituality" are at best, tricks of the mind.

            >seems you're conflating
            I'm being perfectly organized and i have already explained my reasoning. Atheism and spirituality aren't incompatible because spirituality isn't reliant on theism, the poster child for this is buddhism.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            homie you’re braindead moronic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Intelligent design implies a guiding hand, this has to either be divine or something akin to ET stuff. It's all higher beings, but it isn't just by mistake, it implies a force behind things.
            To simplifiy, the only thing needed for divine beings to exist is for them to simply be higher than the 3rd spacial dimensional being, if you've seen Carl Sagan on flatlanders, you can imagine as us being flatlanders and gods being us in that analogy.
            In this circumstance you would be unable as a 3 dimensional being of being able to even conceptualize the higher dimensional and the beings therein, you would only be able to glimpse a mere fraction of them at best, and you'd never be able to piece it together to see the bigger picture, ergo you'd have to simply have faith that they are higher dimensional beings.

            What is your personal definition of an atheist? Because it really seems you're conflating agnostic with atheist. As I see it, atheists are those who actively reject the idea of divinity, that reject the idea that there are forces beyond the physical and that things like "spirituality" are at best, tricks of the mind.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the only reason you see people thinking the world has intelligent design as making them religious is your own bias, since religion often deals with the subject of the origins of the universe. intelligent design is something easily arrived at as a hypothesis completely separately from traditional religions through scientific speculation. people see patterns and get a hunch that there is some purposeful design behind it all. for some that form is in fact a religious one, for others it isn't.

            also if you're going to bring up carl sagan he thought the whole discussion was pointless. if there is a creator, what created it, and if it always existed, then why not the universe, etc. which demonstrates the completely dry and unreligious approach scientists often approach the subject with.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            religion isn't the same thing as holding a vague hypothesis. a hunch isn't a religion. I've got a feeling it was raccoons that made a mess of some garbage in the lot last night, but I'm not able to prove it. am I religious? according to you that's a religion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA
            IMO the best working definition of religion is "human transformation in response to perceived ultimacy"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            religion is a belief in a higher power
            quit being a fricking moron

            I'm that anon and I was actually just talking about israelites. They push atheism on everyone else as a way of dividing and destroying other cultures while still practicing their own faith. None of the "atheist israelites" in the media are actually atheist.
            Religion unites people and enforces a moral code, which they don't want because it makes it harder to control people. This is where the pop scientists and ~~*approved*~~ new age gurus come in.

            you're not me stfu
            although you're semi right, atheism is pushed because it cuts you off from using divine powers to get ahead in life, they want to be the only ones using those methods

            the only reason you see people thinking the world has intelligent design as making them religious is your own bias, since religion often deals with the subject of the origins of the universe. intelligent design is something easily arrived at as a hypothesis completely separately from traditional religions through scientific speculation. people see patterns and get a hunch that there is some purposeful design behind it all. for some that form is in fact a religious one, for others it isn't.

            also if you're going to bring up carl sagan he thought the whole discussion was pointless. if there is a creator, what created it, and if it always existed, then why not the universe, etc. which demonstrates the completely dry and unreligious approach scientists often approach the subject with.

            explain how it isn't religious then please
            I would have liked to debate Carl Sagan, there were few like him and those who he passed the torch to are not worthy of it unfortunately

            As i already said, we were discussing whether or not certain scientists were religious, i named scientists that weren't affiliated to organized religion and tried to integrate intelligent design into science.

            [...]
            >seems you're conflating
            I'm being perfectly organized and i have already explained my reasoning. Atheism and spirituality aren't incompatible because spirituality isn't reliant on theism, the poster child for this is buddhism.

            I'd say any belief in a higher power is religious, just because it's not "organized religion" doesn't make it stop being religious. Religion is first and foremost a person thing, not an organized thing, ergo putting organized as a description of religion.
            >buddhism
            maybe the westernized version, but if you go to where Buddhism is actually practiced, you will find it is highly ritualized and that the Buddha is basically deified, sure there are interpretations that he didn't want to be deified, but the original practitioners very much treat it as a religion with rituals and ceremonies and temples with priests.

            It just sounds like you're coping.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It just sounds like you're coping.
            I'd raise that and say it just sounds like you're projecting and conflating.

            Believing in a higher, divine power can be a philosophical stance rather than a religious one, which is exactly that position of most of these scientist that have been thrown into the religious bag. You can focus on the existence of an organizing intelligence or ultimate principle behind the universe without adhering to specific doctrines or rituals.

            As for buddhism, it isn't theistic because it doesn't center around the worship of a creator god. Some Buddhist traditions incorporate deities but they're typically viewed as symbolic or as manifestations of qualities to be cultivated rather than as supreme beings to be worshiped. This isn't a "westernized" understanding of buddhism.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This video alone disproves all atheists. Atheists are morons lmao.

            >religion is the belief in and worship of a super human power of god. Science is the process of discovery of the natural world. the logial fallacy is the same ol chicken vs the egg argument, except that one was settled by science recently, winner - chicken, duh. Nobody worships science, and if they do, shame on them.

            if this universe were "designed for life" then there would be a LOT more life. And our lives would be MUCH better, not this shithole existence. this video is for idiots

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The universe is designed for life on this planet numb nuts

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well thats very efficient of your god, dipshit. design a place where we are miserrable, create conditions for war, death, design our bodies to not survive? ever have a fish tank? well make one with similar conditions and see how long your fish survive

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Life is a video game unfortunately for you you are an npc

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cope however you see fit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bro watch the full video you are literally moronic if you believe in atheism. The odds that this all spontaneously happend is literally one in trillions or quintillions. Statistically there is a 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% chance that all atheists are wrong and God created this universe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that isnt what the video says. just because there are long odds doesnt make a god real. this is the classic god gap logical fallacy in s slick prager U format. the calming voice im sure reminds you of your absent father figure but this vid is selling the same old shit. Also, its taken like 150 years to get the catholics to admit any part of evolution is real. its ok to use your brain to think

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It literally says the physical constants and what would happen if they were slightly off there would be no life lmao I cant tell if you people are shills or just dont have a fricking brain in your moronic heads.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Universes are very simple. They can pop into existence with random constants easily.
            A highly complex deity is another story.
            However, we know of at least one universe that exists, so there's that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >waaaaah! I want life to be perfect! why do I have to struggle!! WAHHHHHHH!
            that's why you sound like.
            it's shit for a reason, you have to earn things, you have to be able to appreciate things and in order to do so you must know what suffering and pain is like in order to grasp the understanding of their opposites of happiness and pleasure.
            quit being a child

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            answer the question, you cant, youre just as miserable as the rest of us, except youre also delusional.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally answered it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To expound upon it further, things like dogma, doctrine and the such are for people who aren't really spiritual, I'd argue it's for being like hylics which in gnosticism are people without souls, kind of like automatons but more advanced.
          Because any person with a soul and true spirituality can form a connection with the divine through prayer or meditation. When I talk to religious people I always ask them what they feel when they pray and regardless of religion or even a vague belief in a "higher power" leads to similar experiences to mine. Even though my gods are different than the abrahamists, I find the divine connection to be extremely similar.

          Furthermore, I'd argue even you believe to a degree.
          You believe in coincidence, I don't because I see a divine hand behind such things, I look for reasons as to why things are. You however believe that things "just happen", you also believe fervently that we will not be destroyed by a rogue asteroid that we'd have no chance of detecting, you actually have a lot of faith to believe that the cosmic mistake of life will not end by some other cosmic mistake, otherwise you'd probably live life differently.
          You also believe in science, you believe your eyes and your mind, you cannot actually prove anything and so you know nothing, you are only left with belief.
          But alas, you will cling to your "knowledge" and your "intellect" maybe one day you'll realize their flaws and instead seek wisdom above those, which will be funny because wisdom is what religion seeks as opposed to knowledge and intellect.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The quote was actually for Warner Heidelberg

        Also to be fair, that anon was most likely referring to how the bell.curve meme tails off into the beginning 130 range (gifted)

        But you are correct, and that anon is wrong.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ahh whoops, I'll remember that for next time, I dunno why I thought it was Oppenheimer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm 129 IQ and am a loose spiritual Christian

      No matter how you slice it, even if it's the flying spaghetti monster, there is indeed a greater, grander intelligence out there and it influences our lives.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Matpat

        He’s a dragon…
        Exodus and numbers paints this picture clearly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Data by israelite

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Everything I don't like is israeli
        Convenient, dumbass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Convenient, dumbass.
          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/5/1/us-house-passes-controversial-bill-that-expands-definition-of-anti-semitism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the frick did that have to do with anything?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't atheist vs Christian. Probably a israelite would want the data to show that more intelligent people to be theists right?

        Not that I think this graph means much since most people, smart or dumb, just believe what they were taught at childhood.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon there's no thought to what he said, he just blames everything he hates on israelites

          • 4 weeks ago
            Matpat

            That’s because Satan wants everyone to blame the israelites for everything.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            more just blind hatred in general but yeah

          • 4 weeks ago
            Matpat

            Unfortunately, even when people realize that it isn’t the israelites and know that Christ is the truth, peace and safety becomes their idol, they try to destroy anyone around them for their own sense of superiority, and throw away any true Christian voices that actually reveal how evil they still are.

            People just want to die in their pride so badly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      TiredAnon

      Its easier not to think about it haha.
      I mean seriously we've seen how many schitzos on here drive themselves crazy with doctrine and whatnot.

      Source? heh kek.

      https://i.imgur.com/Rwbe9Ov.jpeg

      Actually intelligence correlates with atheism. But intelligent people are not the ones who do best for humanity. Acually the opposite, people of faith did good in maintaining culture and civilization for 10000 years or longer. People of intellect brought it to the edge of destruction in just 200 years.

      False dichotomy, this aint that.
      No correlation meme inbound.

      I'm a patient man ... but for this post I would ban you for 6 moths if I could.

      6 months? 6 million? Come on guy buddy guy lemme see your nose!

      Atheism is fine.
      I don't have any problem with atheists, they are only concerned with the christian god.
      I larp as agnostic to normies, so it is easy to escape this kind of discussion, when atheists are involved.
      The christians are more intolerant. The christians really think us incels should follow their religion, and should feel pit for the kids being abused by pedos. If you dont want involvement, they say you are cringe and they are "le based", but it is simply zoomer cope.

      Sorta this I like Christianity, but the dogmatic following of it can stifle creativity as well as spurn zealotry.

      because midwits are only capable of processing what they personally experience, and only apply philosophy to their very limited perspective
      idiots and morons aren't fully capable of really understanding anything, so the only way that they can actually interpret the world is through the filter of religion
      extremely intelligent people identify things that are a priori impossible under our current system of understanding and logic, and are forced to find some way to reckon these inconsistencies with the world. most extremely intelligent people are not part of organized religion in any sense other than having some kind of foundational architecture that they mold into a system of belief that makes the most sense

      if you tell a moron that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with "yes. that's because God made the universe and before Him there was nothing"
      if you tell a midwit that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with "yes."
      if you tell an exceptionally intelligent person that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with something along the lines of "God as religion understands it was not an intentional creator; the universe undergoes cycles of heat death and once the universe reaches minimum entropy, this value is never actually zero. small perturbations on an excessively long timeline arrange themselves to form a Boltzmann brain which by virtue of making an observation affects the quantum state of the universe such that it creates a cascade of increasing entropy which creates a new universe. what is generally considered to be "and the lord said let there be light" was the first and only observation of a Boltzmann brain that set our current universe in motion"

      Maybe before the big bang there was simply no form or order and all the matter was condensed into a point. No order meaning sheer raw potential. Does that make sense?
      or maybe our understanding is wrong. . . and its cyclical?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, morons are more inclined to be atheistic? That's interesting. Why is that, especially since smarter people are also more inclined to be atheists.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I would have thought they prefer to do as they're told as well, but I suppose that the idea of invisible beings and forces is too much cognitive load. They probably prefer more simple and concrete explanations in general, or just prefer not to think about it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Notably it is not the majority, according to the chart. The majority do indeed prefer to follow the herd and their authority figure's explanations, even if they don't fully grasp the implications.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Notably it is not the majority, according to the chart. The majority do indeed prefer to follow the herd and their authority figure's explanations, even if they don't fully grasp the implications.

          Those seem like reasonable answers. I suppose theism is as prominent as is because most people are more than capable enough to imagine some kind of greater intelligence/phenomenon but are less likely to give way to having introspection about their beliefs. The social aspect probably also factors in. Religion has always been a unifying thinh in society and a way to enforce societal norms and most people are conscious of this in some level. They're probably inclined to believe it, or seem like they believe it, in order to better fit with society. Intelligent people tend to be more introspective and tend to be more socially competent on average anyway, so they can more than compensate for it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      >The General Social Surveys (GSS) were designed as part of a data diffusion project in 1972. The GSS replicated questionnaire items and wording in order to facilitate time-trend studies. The latest survey, GSS 2012, includes a cumulative file that merges all 29 General Social Surveys into a single file containing data from 1972 to 2012. The items appearing in the surveys are one of three types: Permanent questions that occur on each survey, rotating questions that appear on two out of every three surveys (1973, 1974, and 1976, or 1973, 1975, and 1976), and a few occasional questions such as split ballot experiments that occur in a single survey. The 2012 surveys included seven topic modules: israeli identity, generosity, workplace violence, science, skin tone, and modules for experimental and miscellaneous questions. The International Social Survey Program (ISSP) module included in the 2012 survey was gender. The data also contain several variables describing the demographic characteristics of the respondents.
      https://study.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/gss_codebook.pdf
      >The questions in this section have been taken from a standard ability test. Some of the respondents may be familiar
      with this test and may ask if you are administering an intelligence. test. You should respond that we are not testing
      their IQ. That's not possible. IQ involves many different skills; it takes a long time to assess and can only be
      assessed by trained psychologists. Rather, we are interested in how people of different ages solve problems of
      abstract reasoning.
      it seems you yourself have fallen into a midwit trap. self-reported surveys are one of the lowest LOEs possible for research data. IQ was estimated from an extremely abbreviated question array
      sample size is like n=60,000 total over four decades so you're sampling 0.018% of the population
      please look into your data sources before dumping moronic shit on the board and sitting back smugly self-satisfied

      >atheists and theists self-report their IQ

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Religious people are stupid except israelites.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because they had shitty upbringings into a shitty society
    They can plainly see that abrahamic religion consumed the world in war for all of history to get to a point where there are no diverse cultures and they only think of god as a concept in terms of the israelites

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >implying I’m an idiot because I won’t bow to the pathetic god of Israel.

    Sure thing buddy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Seinfeld watcher
      Goyslop watcher, opinion invalid

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually intelligence correlates with atheism. But intelligent people are not the ones who do best for humanity. Acually the opposite, people of faith did good in maintaining culture and civilization for 10000 years or longer. People of intellect brought it to the edge of destruction in just 200 years.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The people in charge for the last 200 years have all been Zionist or israeli and maybe even Jesuit controlled. These aren’t people of intellect. Either you’re a complete idiot or you’re a disingenuous piece of shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm a patient man ... but for this post I would ban you for 6 moths if I could.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        israeli people are easily the smartest race

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          False https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stLCurXu0fc

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >white incel says israelites aren’t smartest race
            False. Another fact, Filipinos are the most POWERFUL race in the world.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they are also highly religious so where do that leave that stupid image

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes, but atheists fell for the trap set up by the israelite.
        So much for "atheists have higher IQ than theists"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Atheism obeys a hard cutoff point in modern science, thereby dragging t he meaning of existence down to their intellectual level. Zealots are equally as bad, but anyone who draws extreme lines in the sand is a moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon there always were both stupid and intelligent people around.
      Our brains used to be larger and more healthy than they are now.
      What changed is *just* the faith.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is there an actual chart?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/XIQsyI8.png

      It isn't.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism in and of itself isn't stupid, the reasoning Atheists use to discredit religion is. They try to discount the larger self actualization and community benefits by making scientific arguments on why God doesn't exist lol

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is fine.
    I don't have any problem with atheists, they are only concerned with the christian god.
    I larp as agnostic to normies, so it is easy to escape this kind of discussion, when atheists are involved.
    The christians are more intolerant. The christians really think us incels should follow their religion, and should feel pit for the kids being abused by pedos. If you dont want involvement, they say you are cringe and they are "le based", but it is simply zoomer cope.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The christians are more intolerant.
      that's catholics and fundamentalist protestants, most of whom are morons who have also never read the bible
      organized christianity stops making sense when you realize that you're going to a huge building to spend an hour to listen to someone tell you what is basically their opinion on a textbook, without reading it yourself. Catholicism is basically founded on the idea that if you never translate the bible into the common tongue, people have to listen to what you say and just take it as fact.

      Yet you can’t provide any data of your own because it would show the same results.

      you're the one who made the argument
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239797/
      >low religiosity is associated with aspergers

      >if you tell an exceptionally intelligent person that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll say you are wrong and the universe is uncreated, and will challenge the big bang theory

      FIFY.

      either way, intelligent people will respond with an explanation that shows some degree of introspection and independent application of critical thinking
      a trait shared by midwits and idiots is that they will make a system of belief theirs rather than constructing their own
      idiots simply believe what makes them feel good
      midwits simply believe whatever evidence is given to them, regardless of the quality or logic associated with it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>low religiosity is associated with aspergers
        That has nothing to do with intelligence. The asocial pattern recognition machines will always be the first ones to ask questions about everything around them, including the existence of God at a young age. And I'm saying this as a deist (not theist), and although I was previously a non-believer, the nonstop coincidences eventually convinced me that God was real and designed the properties of the universe.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because midwits are only capable of processing what they personally experience, and only apply philosophy to their very limited perspective
    idiots and morons aren't fully capable of really understanding anything, so the only way that they can actually interpret the world is through the filter of religion
    extremely intelligent people identify things that are a priori impossible under our current system of understanding and logic, and are forced to find some way to reckon these inconsistencies with the world. most extremely intelligent people are not part of organized religion in any sense other than having some kind of foundational architecture that they mold into a system of belief that makes the most sense

    if you tell a moron that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with "yes. that's because God made the universe and before Him there was nothing"
    if you tell a midwit that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with "yes."
    if you tell an exceptionally intelligent person that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll respond with something along the lines of "God as religion understands it was not an intentional creator; the universe undergoes cycles of heat death and once the universe reaches minimum entropy, this value is never actually zero. small perturbations on an excessively long timeline arrange themselves to form a Boltzmann brain which by virtue of making an observation affects the quantum state of the universe such that it creates a cascade of increasing entropy which creates a new universe. what is generally considered to be "and the lord said let there be light" was the first and only observation of a Boltzmann brain that set our current universe in motion"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if you tell an exceptionally intelligent person that before the big bang, time, matter, and space simply didn't exist and came from nothing, they'll say you are wrong and the universe is uncreated, and will challenge the big bang theory

      FIFY.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      an exceptionally intelligent person who says all that is moronic. the true answer is there was nothing before god.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        An exceptionally intelligent person says “I don’t know”

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm exceptionally intelligent and i'm here to tell you that i do know

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm exceptionally intelligent

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you don’t.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I appreciate your words and input wise one

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern atheism in western worlds is a direct response to the ridiculousness of Christianity.
    Remove the desert goat herders fairytales from the mainstream and people will embrace spirituality again

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. But they wont do that because muh politics.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im wanting one thing here. Sanic loves more sonical only after feeeb

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The idea that there's something out there that modified things ever so slightly so that we can exist is pretty far different and unrelated to the idea that the creator of the universe personally came down to a desert to get nailed to a plank of wood and will be sad if you kiss another dude.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Different life would happen. moron.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TL;DR OP admits his religion is bullshit in the pic, but since there must be something, he kinda prefers to be wrong rather than be at least half right in assuming he doesn't know.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they never think about anything but their smartphone or jerking off after school/work or gummy bears and TV dinner, vidya.
    Those people on the far right of image might still call themselves atheists and this has no correlation to IQ, let's be real.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you HAVE to believe in imaginary things from books of fables
    I miss when /x/ was about the paranormal instead of religion, nofap cults, captcha testing, and politics.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you're the midwit. Atheists usually have science as their paradigm, and science is doing nothing more than exploring God. It truly is a semantic issue, all the scientific terminology expresses aspects of God and the only thing atheism rejects is religious theology. And before any of you actual midwits say something like "science is religious", i'm going to stop you right there and remind you that science is subjected to constant change and it doesn't operate like religious doctrine.

    And i'm not even gonna get into buddhism, another atheistic model, because i know a lot of morons here love to argue about buddhism not being atheistic even though Gautama was a literal fedora tipper.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is true. The Buddha was always like “Don’t take me at face value. Analyze it first” which makes him possibly the most based religious founder since he wasn’t just some doctrinaire with a big ego. He had it all and gave it up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        TiredAnon

        First we must acknowledge the face value perceptions. Then analyze. Taken at face value until the need for analysis arises. . . Seems like a bot mentality. Use your imagination! Your CREATIVITY YOUR SPARK bzzrt.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this board is way more intelligent than /misc/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      High praise.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Midwits aren't smart enough to figure things out on their own, so they attach themselves to gurus and pop scientists. So whatever those two groups tell them to believe, they'll believe. It just so happens that most/all of the name gurus and pop scientists are ~~*controlled*~~ and instructed to push people away from anything that could potentially unify them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not just israelites, but you’re right. These shepherds, in all religions, typically know what’s going on and receive payment for their service.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >disingenuously tries to turn words to his favor
        that anon is talking about you, not those who follow religion

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That anon is talking about both, the fact you don't see it tells me enough about you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm that anon and I was actually just talking about israelites. They push atheism on everyone else as a way of dividing and destroying other cultures while still practicing their own faith. None of the "atheist israelites" in the media are actually atheist.
            Religion unites people and enforces a moral code, which they don't want because it makes it harder to control people. This is where the pop scientists and ~~*approved*~~ new age gurus come in.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Religion...makes it harder to control people
            Lol. Lmao. Christianity is golemOS for people who are to stupid for the popsci materialism golemOS.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *too
            Ignore the typo, focus on the message.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They’ll never understand this because they have to believe in something. They couldn’t possibly entertain that there are higher powers that give material wealth and favor to their leaders aka shepherds aka priests.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists tend to not be midwits and it's the opposite. The higher your IQ the less you believe in religion

    I'm not an atheist yet recognize this
    You need to realize that IQ isn't about personality and beliefs and how your brain is structured to solve problems easier and learn things. The picture of the so called deep philosopher associated with metaphysics and shit isn't a form of high iq, it's just someone obsessed witth thinking about a certain topic and jumping through hoops to get to their conclusions

    Iq measures how fast you can think and jump through hoops, too
    Now, imagine if you dedicate your time non stop to your passion and ideas. They will get more detailed. You have no time limit, so you get "interesting" ideas
    It's that simple.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God exists and Bible explains both divine and mortal history through writings of men.

    You cannot find God by being too clever, or Jesus never would have come.

    He came to look for simple, weak and meek. And it is these people who will come to know God through love and faith.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I appreciate your words and input as well

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It lets you believe you are smarter than a lot of people for no effort. This may sound appealing if you have little going on for you.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people only have control over their direction. that doesn't sit well with people who want immediate results.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is very fake and gay.
    So is believing God is a bearded man in the sky, and thinking your life is a random fate.
    The sense of "I am" is everyone's true master. When it dissolves there is no world.
    God is consciousness, everything. It made itself. Projects itself downwards and becomes you, me, a myriad of dreams.
    We are here to grow higher vessel and ascend! The body is the cross we carry and we must be crucified. Everyone is here by choice.
    "How could this happen to me?" is an ignorant uttering.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real redpill is that it's good to be a midwit. Too low IQ and you're a bumbling easily-duped moron; too high an IQ and you're a bumbling easily-duped autist. Optimal intelligence is between 110 and 120 IQ, prove me wrong. b***h you can't.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      spoken like a true midwit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Seethe aspie

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          atleast I'm not a slave like you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, you are though. You think you're better than everyone which makes you isolate yourself which makes you easier to control.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao, midwits are the ones that are easiest to control. the biggest conformists are those smart enough to absorb information but not smart enough to think independently, ~115 like what you think is ideal. also just used the word slave to make a point. everyone here is a slave, midwits are just bigger slaves.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the biggest conformists are those smart enough to absorb information but not smart enough to think independently,
            Your oversized asperger's light bulb head isn't actually very good at thinking independently though. You're good at reeeeing and shrieking at everyone who doesn't already agree with you (which is everyone, except occasionally other high-IQ autists), and you're good at writing computer programs and Sonic fanfiction, and that's about it.

            Your high IQ is a disability. It's literally a disability (asperger syndrome is a disability in case you weren't aware) where you're too smart to even understand what a low-IQ dumbass is even saying, and his spech all sounds like ooga booga caveman noises to you. And, likewise, he's too dumb to understand you either, and everything you say sounds like angry robot noises to him. As a midwit I can talk circles around you with both my hands tied behind my back. Gods, I love being a midwit.

            It's true that I can't easily convince a high-IQ autist to agree with my opinions, but why would I ever want to? Nobody wants the high-IQ autist to be agreeable; you're far more valuable to our society when you're distressed, isolated, and perpetually celebate. If autists could easily socialize and get laid then who the hell would ever want to be a computer programmer or electrical engineer?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's only a disability because you're so ahead of the crowd that no one except those like you can even begin to understand you. If midwits just let high IQ individuals be in charge, things would unironically be so much better, but midwits think they know better.

            >It just sounds like you're coping.
            I'd raise that and say it just sounds like you're projecting and conflating.

            Believing in a higher, divine power can be a philosophical stance rather than a religious one, which is exactly that position of most of these scientist that have been thrown into the religious bag. You can focus on the existence of an organizing intelligence or ultimate principle behind the universe without adhering to specific doctrines or rituals.

            As for buddhism, it isn't theistic because it doesn't center around the worship of a creator god. Some Buddhist traditions incorporate deities but they're typically viewed as symbolic or as manifestations of qualities to be cultivated rather than as supreme beings to be worshiped. This isn't a "westernized" understanding of buddhism.

            > can be
            literal cope.
            >specific doctrines or rituals
            again you're hung up on "organized religion" I wouldn't even consider that religion because religion is first and foremost a PERSONAL matter, not an organized group one.
            And Buddhism literally comes from Vedic religion, it's an offshoot but it is HIGHLY spiritual. If you go to the east where it's actually practiced you will find temples and monks and the like performing rituals they've performed for centuries. It's basically orthodox christianity with an eastern flair.
            Only in the west is buddhism some kind of vague spirituality with meditation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you really think high governance isnt composed of high achievers? Theyre not stupid, theyre malicious

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            buddhists have been subverting wesern culture long enough, take your yoga and your chakras and shove it up your ass, just because something is old doesnt make it correct

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Buddhism is an offshoot of an offshoot, since it comes from shramana. And like i said, something being spiritual, doesn't make it religious, get your head out of your ass already and read instead of trying to "one up".

            I think this is just you not knowing what "religious" means. Coping from the left and coping from the right, but you're still telling others they're the ones coping, i'm not surprised though, this is x's brand of moronation.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no it's you thinking religion has to be a group, when in reality it's having a belief in divine power/beings that we can connect with. That's it. Even a vague belief that the "universe" cares or that there's some cosmic force behind everything is religious. Spirituality itself is inherently religious.

            The fricking definition
            >The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe.
            quit being moronic, please

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're pretty moronic anon, religion is a set of doctrinal practices and believes in a group setting and spirituality involves a personal, subjective connection to whatever the frick you believe in. Personal spirituality doesn't fit the full scope of religion and this has always been this way, no matter how disingenuously you copy paste part of the definition.

            I dont get why "spiritual but not religious" morons like you spend your time dubbing on religion. The atheists think you're moronic too.

            I don't get why you think spirituality needs to be accompanied by religion, you're the moron for not understanding nuances, and i honestly don't give a frick about "the atheists", much less about the exoteric church drones.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't get why you think spirituality needs to be accompanied by religion
            I never said this.
            > i honestly don't give a frick about "the atheists", much less about the exoteric church drones.
            You clearly do, because you're here acting like an atheist while claiming the "edgy third esoteric thing" and lauding over others. Grow up, move out of this phase if you want to see progress.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, first of all i'm not "dubbing on religion" that's just your victim complex. Second, i'm here nuancing morons on their semantics i couldn't care less if you believe in Sonichu.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that's just your victim complex
            kek, im not religious. Nice try. There's no point with you
            >i'm here nuancing morons on their semantics i couldn't care less
            Spiritually you will always be a reddit sperg atheist nerd, no matter what "muh spirituality" you cope with.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Spirituality is your own religion you fricking mong!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I gave you the literal definition of religion and you still ignore it in favor of your own flawed version, religion is the belief and reverence of supernatural power or powers, it's that simple, you don't need doctrine or dogmas or groups. Once you have those things it becomes ORGANIZED RELIGION, do you not understand that ORGANIZED is the adjective there? Describing the group activities? But that religion ON IT OWN is a personal matter of spirituality?
            You fricking moron.

            poor logic. explain why the suicide bomber kills himself then? hes promised something in the afterlife

            not sure what athiest youre listening to but most dont have any definitive answers. religion conveniently has all the answers, until it doesnt. im open to new ideas and experiences, but i need more than some butthole at a lectern telling me to have faith in something neither of us understand. your logic against athiesm works just as well as an argument against religion.

            The suicide bomber lives his life as though it has meaning, for him his death has meaning, it has a purpose and if his beliefs are true then he will be rewarded.
            If religion is wrong in totality and nothing happens when you die, it literally doesn't matter that he blows himself up. He will have the end result as a doctor who saves lives, they will simply cease to be, which is to say their lives are pointless.
            what do you not understand about this?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, then you're using the wrong dictionary, get a better one because religion and spirituality are different things as is common knowledge. Is that the only nail you have left to grab on, a dubious definition in some random dictionary?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but other people said something else

            This homie can’t divine knowledge a priori

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you type "religion definition" into google and you get my definition you fricking twit
            anyways here's the definitnio for spirituality
            > The state, quality, or fact of being spiritual. A religious belief or manner of pursuing a religious life. The clergy.
            please have a nice day
            religion and spirituality are fricking intertwined with one another, they go hand in hand so much they're basically interchangeable you fricking midwit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dont get why "spiritual but not religious" morons like you spend your time dubbing on religion. The atheists think you're moronic too.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only believe in GAOTU because I've met him. And he's not God in any theistic sense. He's non-interventionist and didn't create the universe, he just exists as the consciousness that arises from the massively high-energy reactions between nebulae, in the same way our consciousness arises from an electrochemical jelly in our skulls. All he does is watch himself unfold, recursively and algorithmically. Anyway, all religions are wrong and people who believe in a higher power without unassailable proof are delusional and stupid.
    t. the smartest person to ever live and who ever will

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Schizo Retard

    your picrel is just an argument for the simulation hypothesis, which doesn't need a god.

    >atheism: 1
    >you: 0

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This video alone disproves all atheists. Atheists are morons lmao.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is such an effective midwit trap because there is no belief that the man possessed with Atheism needs to spread or defend.
    The only object of the possessed is to attack spiritual belief and having no belief shields them from counter because there are no beliefs to be countered.
    This creates a feed back loop for the midwit of being able to berate others while never having to defend their own beliefs.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a dunb question. a-theism is simply the opposing view to theism. people are so dogmatic in their thinking that they need to separate from theism before being able to accept new discoveries. how do you move societal and spiritual evolution when the dogma hasnt been broken. Any science or discovery is still god-gapped by these religious types so there is still value in being opposed to religion.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because is easy to know that god isnt what they told you, but its hard to decipher what it really is and most people preffer to round 50% to 100%

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody ever realizes this. Since atheism exists as a concept it must be true in some capacity.

    Since all concepts are true...in some capacity.

    People dismiss solipsism for example. But because it exists as a concept, it means it must be true in some capacity.

    Because God exists as a concept, it must be true in some capacity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I saw your thread a couple nights ago and I'll say here what I said there
      Sometimes the truth is not in the idea but in its opposite. To truly become religious and to truly understand how true spirituality is, one must experience its opposite and know how false it rings.
      Atheism at its core is false, but in this falsity we see the truth of its opposite.

      Now for those who wish to know what I mean by it being false, it deals with how atheism is inherently meaningless. If, when you die, nothing happens, it makes life meaningless. All your actions, whether you live a mere decade or a whole century will amount to the same, which is nothingness, you will simply cease.
      Ergo, nothing you do matters. Whether you live a good life or a bad life, those are subjective and ultimately doesn't matter.
      Any other view on this matter is to live in denial.
      The only way life has meaning, purpose and worth is if it is done in order to achieve something, only if there is something after death does life have any meaning whatsoever. Everything done in life is for a reason, most of the time it is in order to continue life, whether your own or to bring new life into existence, or it's to sate boredom, or to pursue passion, etcetera. Ergo it only stands to reason that life itself is done for a purpose, for a reason. For there to be nothing but the void would render it purposeless and reasonless.
      Therefore, logically, one must live a life as if there is something after death, while it cannot be proven, it is the only meaningful end to this life, whereas if it is instead false, it literally doesn't matter and will amount to any other life lived. The only way this life can have meaning is through a higher power making it so, therfore one must live life as if such is the case, anything else is folly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        poor logic. explain why the suicide bomber kills himself then? hes promised something in the afterlife

        not sure what athiest youre listening to but most dont have any definitive answers. religion conveniently has all the answers, until it doesnt. im open to new ideas and experiences, but i need more than some butthole at a lectern telling me to have faith in something neither of us understand. your logic against athiesm works just as well as an argument against religion.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    both the dumbass and the hyperintelligent face raw human ignorance head-on and humble themselves
    using the campfire analogy:
    >dumb man's flame is smol and stares out into the darkness everyday
    >smart man's bonfire is raging but its light's edges are vast and unfathomable
    >midwit's flame lights up his surroundings comfortably but isn't large enough to create a circle of ignorance he can't just disregard

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are israelites the only ones allowed to genocide people in the name of religion?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are gods chosen people. this kinds shit why i dont believe in the bible message. in the old testament, god did tons of genociding

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chosen people but they've only ever destroyed nations, and in the process of destroying their own again.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sarcasm is what i was aiming for anon

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is not believing in a fairytale midwit?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Huurr Durr I need proof
      Once you see something you did not believe in you'll think
      >What else is real?
      If you have no spooks to share then gtfo otherwise tell us please

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you believe that there's a giant cloud man who can read your mind and cares about your religious affiliation, you're stupid.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No one believes this.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No one believes in God?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Implying IQ tests have anything to do at all with intelligence.

    >Implying any number of humans could accurately measure,
    to a numbered amount, what the potential power of another human brain is.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Regardless of your beliefs, it will never cease to amuse me how all you morons have somehow manage to delude yourselves that you’re all geniuses.

    Funniest shit of all time.

    All of you are literal troglodytes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      did you see earlier in the thread where i posted proof that i'm smarter than you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yet here you are, rolling in the muck with the rest of us.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you dont need to subscribe to one of the official religious institutions or their teachings to be religious. most of the major religious institutions were just control systems during the old world order to control and indoctrinate the masses. even without any organized religion or church, its obvious and clear that there is something profound and divine beyond the mere physical happening in this world.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First of all, only a midwit would call themselves atheist. You’d be agnostic at best if you’re actually smart. Second, who wastes their time arguing with people about religion if they think there’s no god? Again, not smart people. Why would I even care? If you’re a 120 you think your superior wit can make dumb people see the truth. If you’re a 130+ or some point after that, everyone sounds stupid all the time and you have no illusions that you can make dumb people see the truth. You’re lucky if they even understand you.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a complete and total idiot, almost to the extent that I think you might actually be a kid or in high school.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See? How would I ever make this guy understand whether there’s a god or not?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You Christians are always acting as though any pushback you get proves you right, like, "See? The fact that you don't accept my shit says that you actually do agree with me!" but in actuality you're just cowards who can't defend what you claim to believe because not even you believe it. You act like you're taking the high road when really you're just afraid of a fight.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, the first post proves me right because the poster was incapable of understanding what I was saying. This post also proves me right because I’m not a Christian.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You wrongthinkers are always acting as though any pushback you get proves you right
            Its so tiresome.
            At this point normalgays fully deserve all suffering and misery they recive.
            And eat shit and go frick yourself, homosexual.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This argument does not work if we assume there are parralel universes. Lfe can only exist in unflawed universes. And only life can observe and define universe as unflawed. If we can observe universe, it is a priori unflawed. (Im a theist myself though, just not religious)

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism requires accepting you don't know everything and you could be wrong.
    The very stupid and the very smart find these qualities to be extremely difficult.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ?si=MvDcE4fpIUR4OMMV

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Matpat

    By experience, pride on man’s knowledge.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stupid people follow religion because they just follow whatever they hear

    "midwits" hear arguments from either side and pick one. in the modern era science = smart, there's no scientific evidence for a god, so people pick atheism.

    "smart people" are more complicated. As you represent them I think fit into two categories:

    Category 1 is the types who know enough to know they know nothing. They are pedantic and obsessed with clarity in argument and realize they have little understanding of epistemology or understanding of statistics or whatever else would be required to truly make a perfect argument on either side. They understand that if one side was obviously right, there would be some clear near mathematical reasoning with little questioning needed to arrive at atheism or theism and yet this seems to not exist. They are often experts in a field and understand how incompetent many experts are so they no longer trust people to be completely correct on anything, especially religion. It's a nihilistic rejection of the idea that the truth is out there on this topic.

    Category 2 is the smart person who is used to being the one who's always right so they just end up assuming everyone is always wrong and going down schitzo rabbit holes. It's fundamentally an emotional response to being used to being right about everything. They are more emotional and rather than being able to accept they know nothing they assume their emotional bias toward (either theism or atheism) is correct because their intuition is normally correct. They are also often experts to some degree and see how incompetent some fellow experts are and are more pessimistic about modern life than the category 1s. They often end up religious rather than atheistic because atheism is common amongst fellow well educated peers, and they seek to reject what they perceive as popular culture. But this is a modern phenomena, amongst majority Christians category 2s would be largely atheists.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cont.

      There's also highly intelligent people who choose religion not because they actually fully believe it but because they understand religion is important and useful to them and they allow themselves to resist overthinking it.

      There's also highly intelligent people who accept a "perfect" argument can't be made for either side but think their side has more evidence. I believe these people are mostly atheists though so they don't fit in your world view well.

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