Why do Buddhist monks tell us we should follow a middle path but they themselves follow a very extreme path?

Why do Buddhist monks tell us we should follow a middle path but they themselves follow a very extreme path? They are incredibly lazy, meditating all day which is basically doing nothing. And also, expecting the local population to feed them.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > they themselves follow a very extreme path
    > incredibly lazy

    which is it, israelite?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      path of extreme laziness
      >Lightly question them, and they go to pieces. This is because they have always been working in idleness.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bsicalys everything in societys is backwards and trying to program u

    every thing exists insides ur self they are looking for it see?
    Seeee?
    u alredy know and done eveyrhting and all of it is hapenings inside ur minds so u gontta stop it by force

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lazy >doing nothing
    this is what the stanaist government wnats u to belive they program u to belive and think this way
    wthey want u to be a society normiee

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually they're doing wizardry and they ask for donations in exchange.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only informed post in the thread.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally this. the dalai lama has a fricking iphone. he probably has mountains of CP on it too. he's been real touchy feely with little boys lately, ya know? so all these monks are probably allowing themselves to fap with their smartphones every now and then to keep their cult going so nobody will quit. everybody needs a sexual outlet, mang. even amishgays are taking selfies now with their smartphones. it's over

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    being lazy is extreme?
    Are you moronic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are the laziest motherfrickers whats extreme to say stupid dumbass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he's moronic
        oh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes its an extreme on a scale of activity as suggested by the word "laziest"
      are you?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because buddhism died a long time ago
    what youre describing here is buddhism™

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people are in denial
      like sure im the one slandering guatamole here
      as if he didn't tell you his dharma would only last for abt 500 years
      do you know what happens after?
      have you even read anything?
      i hate fricking posers morons and liars
      go do your own shit instead lf always trying to belong somewhere pr riding someone else's fame without even knowing what the frick they actually said or meant you sad sack of shit

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Extreme
    They are not addicted to indulgence in sense pleasures or sense pains. They follow the Noble Eightfold Path. They're not extreme.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theyre addicted to buddhism and merit making, ie trying to be the bestest boy
      theyre all attached to the idea of nirvana and buddha too
      these people are a bunch of sadfricks dude

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no you're right
          all these people who blatantly ignore the texts they claim to represent are totally enlightened
          >

          people are in denial


          like sure im the one slandering guatamole here
          as if he didn't tell you his dharma would only last for abt 500 years
          do you know what happens after?
          have you even read anything?
          i hate fricking posers morons and liars
          go do your own shit instead lf always trying to belong somewhere pr riding someone else's fame without even knowing what the frick they actually said or meant you sad sack of shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >literally murders people over doctrinal disputes
      >"see not extreme at all"

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they’re demonic.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because they're demonic and evil

    >"What is the demonic mind?"

    >"Shutting one's eyes and entering samadhi."

    >"What if I compose my mind in dhyana and it does not move?"

    >"This is to be bound by samadhi. It is useless. Even the four dhyanas are just single stages of tranquility that can be disturbed again. One cannot value them. This is a creative method, and is moreover a destructive method, and is not the ultimate method. If one can understand that the nature lacks tranquility and disturbance, then one has attained freedom.

    >One who is not controlled by tranquility and disturbance is a spirited person.

    >He also said, "If one is not caught up in understanding, and if one does not create a mind of delusion, then one is someone who does not revere deep wisdom. That person is a stable person. If one reveres or values a method (phenomena), that method (phenomena) really can bind and kill you and you will fall into mentation. This is an unreliable thing. The ordinary worldly people who are bound up by names and letters are innumerable in the world."

    .

    >The phenomena of countless ages are all in the immediate present, but people of the time have developed opposition to the eternal essence over the course of long years. Perceiving things with confused minds, they thereby turn away from the true source, fixated on being or stuck on emptiness.

    >It is just because you veer away from reality and abandon the root that you try to detach from ordinary feelings and break down your mind on a religious path. If you entertain views like this, you will not get out of their limitations, and won't be able to dispense with their mental and physical elements.

    >Haven't you heard it said: 'All activities are impermanent - this is the law that whatever is originated passes away.'

    cont.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Right now, as long as you have grasping attachment and wandering thoughts, all are called wrong desires; all are in the realm of the six heavens of desire, all governed by the Evil One.

      .

      >Those who have never had experience of enlightenment themselves, and who do not believe anyone else has had experience of enlightenment, uniformly consider empty, inert blankness to be the primordial. Eating two meals daily, they do no work but just sit, calling this “inner peace.”
      "buddhism" is for morons dude

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tHeYr ExTrEEMists!
    No they are not. They are normal. We are the extremists on a broken path. They are following the middle way. You normies are not.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres nothing normal about extreme asceticism for rewards and fanaticism

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres nothing normal about extreme asceticism for rewards and fanaticism

      >You don't have to make any effort. But fanatics don't understand what the Buddha meant. And the harder they try, the farther they get from the Sage's meaning. All day long they invoke Buddhas and read sutras. But they remain blind to their own divine nature, and they don't escape the Wheel.

      >A buddha is an idle person. He doesn't run around after fortune and fame. What good are such things in the end? People who don't see their nature and think reading sutras, invoking Buddhas', studying long and hard, practicing morning and night, never lying down, or acquiring knowledge is the Dharma, blaspheme the Dharma. Buddhas of the past and future only talk about seeing your nature. All practices are impermanent. Unless they see their nature people who claim to have attained unexcelled, complete enlightenment are liars.

      >Among Shakyamuni's ten greatest disciples, Ananda was foremost in learning. But he didn't know the Buddha. All he did was study and memorize. Arhats don't know the Buddha. All they know are so many practices for realization, and they become trapped by cause and effect. Such is a mortal's karma: no escape from birth and death. By doing the opposite of what lie intended, Such people blaspheme the Buddha. Killing them would not be wrong. The sutras say, "Since icchantikas are incapable of belief, killing them would be blameless, whereas people who believe reach the state of Buddhahood."

      cont.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres nothing normal about extreme asceticism for rewards and fanaticism

      [...]
      >You don't have to make any effort. But fanatics don't understand what the Buddha meant. And the harder they try, the farther they get from the Sage's meaning. All day long they invoke Buddhas and read sutras. But they remain blind to their own divine nature, and they don't escape the Wheel.

      >A buddha is an idle person. He doesn't run around after fortune and fame. What good are such things in the end? People who don't see their nature and think reading sutras, invoking Buddhas', studying long and hard, practicing morning and night, never lying down, or acquiring knowledge is the Dharma, blaspheme the Dharma. Buddhas of the past and future only talk about seeing your nature. All practices are impermanent. Unless they see their nature people who claim to have attained unexcelled, complete enlightenment are liars.

      >Among Shakyamuni's ten greatest disciples, Ananda was foremost in learning. But he didn't know the Buddha. All he did was study and memorize. Arhats don't know the Buddha. All they know are so many practices for realization, and they become trapped by cause and effect. Such is a mortal's karma: no escape from birth and death. By doing the opposite of what lie intended, Such people blaspheme the Buddha. Killing them would not be wrong. The sutras say, "Since icchantikas are incapable of belief, killing them would be blameless, whereas people who believe reach the state of Buddhahood."

      cont.

      >Unless you see your nature, You shouldn't go around criticizing the goodness of others. There's no advantage in deceiving yourself. Good and bad are distinct. Cause and effect are clear. Heaven and hell are right before your eves. But fools don't believe and fall straight into a hell of endless darkness without even knowing it. What keeps them from believing is the heaviness of their karma. They're like blind people who don't believe there's such a thing as light. Even if you explain it to them, they still don t believe, because they're blind. How can they possibly distinguish light?

      >The same holds true for fools who end up among the lower orders of existence or among the poor and despised. They can't live and they can't die. And despite their sufferings, if you ask them, they say they're as happy as gods. All mortals even those who think themselves wellborn, are likewise unaware. Because of the heaviness of their karma, such fools can't believe and can't get free.

      >People who see that their mind is the Buddha don't need to shave their head" Laymen are Buddhas too. Unless they see their nature, people who shave their head are simply fanatics

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >single digit IQ morons can't into polar definition of "extreme"
    /x/ has fallen. It's over.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Meditating all day which is basically doing nothing
    Nope, meditation requires practice and some forms of it can also be exhausting (Vipassana).
    However it's true that in some countries, like Thailand, many monastic community degenerated (Smoking, doing nothing just to avoid work, etc.)

    >Middle Path
    The Buddhist middle path is a middle between extreme ascetism of the Jains and hedonism. For modern standard it's still pretty ascetic. Furthermore, consider that the noble eightyfold path is a gross oversimplifcation and it would be more correct to talk about the 3 noble disciplines.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do Buddhist monks tell us we should follow a middle path but they themselves follow a very extreme path? They are incredibly lazy, meditating all day which is basically doing nothing. And also, expecting the local population to feed them.
    Depends on the branch of Buddhism. Some would say that eventually you will reincarnate into a monk, and only monks can reach nirvana, by meditating all day. So by making a society in which people support monks who are aiming for nirvana, eventually you will reincarnate into a monk and do the same.

    The other reason is because you think they are extreme when they are not.
    There is a story of a westerner who wishes to learn of enlightenment, so he visits a country with Buddhist monks. He is going to be hiking up a looong mountain, and at the base of the mountain, he meets the monk. This monk then asks the traveler, "I see you brought a coke with you, can I have it? I'm very thirsty."
    The man then gives the monk his coke, expecting the monk to either toss it to the ground, or start making a speech about the emptiness of material things.
    The monk then continues to drink the coke, all the way until it's finished, and says nothing but, "thank you, do you want to climb the mountain now?"
    The westerner is taken aback, and confused, "How could this be a monk?!" he wondered in his head. "No monk would do that." He said again, to himself, before turning around, and refusing to climb up the mountain, lest he be scammed.

    Think about it.

    There's another Buddhist story, where a man reaches enlightenment by having something fall on his head.

    Many Buddhists, including those who are full time monks, will repeatedly tell you that you can meditate anywhere, at any time, doing anything, for any amount of time. Yet they continue to meditate full time? Why?
    Keep working on it anon, you CAN find the answer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The answer is they don't believe what they preach, they're hypocritical.
      You can do all sorts of mental gymnastics to change the definition of extreme/middle but big picture the fact remains that if you ignore physical over spiritual or the other way around, you have attachments aka not following the middle path.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The answer is they don't believe what they preach, they're hypocritical.
        All of them?
        Anon I think quite a many are genuine, just like many from all religions are genuine, and many are hypocrites. That's nothing unique to Buddhism, or any faith.

        >You can do all sorts of mental gymnastics to change the definition of extreme/middle but big picture the fact remains that if you ignore physical over spiritual or the other way around, you have attachments aka not following the middle path.
        Sure. And we should keep working on getting rid of our attachments.
        Do you expect your Christian priest to be a profit from heaven, immaculately perfect and without sin, as well?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes
          there haven't been any enlightened people in a long time for a reason

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly I feel you.

            The way I think of it is like this.
            Around 40% of Americans take antidepressants.
            If people are going around not believing life has meaning, and yearning for death, that's a spiritual disease.

            In Europe during the Black Death, about 1/3 of people died. This is widely considered one of the worst epidemics of history.

            You can finish the last line.

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