Why are christians complacent with the Vatican being the way it is?

Why are christians complacent with the Vatican being the way it is? Their pope sits on an elevated throne, backed by a satanic statue of Jesus in a fiery explosion, inside of an auditorium shaped like a snake's head. The Vatican has many times been shown to be brimming with corruption, be it financial, sexual or political in nature. The pope is aware and complicit in all of it. The bishops are so too. Throughout history it has revised practices which were undoubtedly heretic, yet people continue to give it a pass. Do catholics just like being lied to?
Pic related is the masonic and former jesuit pope doing the masonic gesture.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the clergy all come from the laity, so if the latter become unscrupulous degenerates, so will the former. cf the permanent instruction of the alta vendita

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesuit/Vatican leaks:

    https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38026742/

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are christians
    catholics
    >complacent with the Vatican being the way it is?
    Most just don't know.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/rliQNi0.jpeg

      >asks about Christians
      >proceeds to talk about Papists

      My bad, folks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Me at the Metallica concert

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Saint Peter's basilica is in Rome. The gates of hades will not prevail. Protestants are disobedient satanic heretics not Christians. Matthew 16:18

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Catholics is the first and true church started by Jesus Christ

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, the Last Supper was a Latin Mass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. God's Word proves Roman Catholicism is not just false but is the prostitute of babylon from prophecy.

        Exactly, the Last Supper was a Latin Mass

        Wrong. Your religious system denies the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice and calls Christ a liar when he said "it is finished".

        All papists have is parroting programmed talking points like npcs who blindly "trust the (religion) experts". You're not even allowed to think for yourself on what a verse means, even your priests are told to rely on Rome's bishops. It's just a cult with a cult hierarchy and a worldly headquarters and full of idolatry and Mary-worship and a false gospel that doesn't save and a false and different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.

        You're brainwashed to believe one twisted verse about Peter justifies all the false doctrines and abominations and sins of your church. Even if they were right about that verse (they're not), it would never justify their many many sins and their very bloody history of torturing and murdering Christians for obeying God rather than the popes. Also, only God the Father is the "Holy Father", not your pope. Only Jesus Christ can save, not Mary nor your idols of stone and wood which your cult bows to and kisses and prays to.

        Just read the Bible (KJV) for yourself, if your religious system is really the truth, you have nothing to fear from reading the version which false religious systems demonize. The truth doesn't fear competition or criticism or questions, but Papal Rome does and it feared questions so much they'd torture and murder Christians for even just owning a Bible in the past.

        They're like the Pharisees in that their tradition is more important than God's Word and God's laws and commandments; but they're worse than the Pharisees because the Pharisees didn't worship idols and the kill count of number of Christians killed is far greater for the false and abominable Roman cult than the Pharisees.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism is a fail before it leaves the starting gate, Jesus stated that no man shall represent him on this earth. The vicar of Christ is blasphemous according to the words of their own prophet.
    Apart from all the other crimes against humanity you mention, their abuse and murder of countless children over the centuries should be more than enough for a discerning person to distance themselves from these satanic filth peddlers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus stated that no man shall represent him on this earth. The vicar of Christ is blasphemous according to the words of their own prophet.
      the pope is not a stand-in for jesus albeit

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >asks about Christians
    >proceeds to talk about Papists

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're not. Mass numbers of people leaving Catholicism, alternate/sedevacantiat rites doing well, Latin mass was growing but it seems Francis killed it. Even normies are getting tired of the bullshit in it, I have the Catholic Herald as one of my desktop tabs and they're getting much more critical of Francis and the wider church. It's just that in Europe, the majority of Catholics are probably elderly or turbonormies so obviously you won't be getting much, but don't think that we're not getting hit with the spiritual waves going around now. Eg, Latin mass was the only mass I saw with an average age under 40.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    The Master

    My personal philosophy is 'Truth-seeking' . I could care less about the nuances of traditions in man's faith in the divine. I hope your heart is good .

    >Damn , I look good
    I swear I will delete every idiot who despises me from this mainframe.

    I have nothing bad to say about other people by default. Only the wrongdoers will be blamed.

    >When a person loves themselves unconditionally , they give to themselves ,others and the Lord freely. After all , everything you need already exists. The possibilities for everything you want only require patience. Be compassionate to others and the Lord will do the same for you. Be compassionate to yourself and learn to say 'No' when called for.

    It is not possible to survive without a struggle , it is easy to thrive by embracing the good within and without.

    >Some idiots have no standards
    >A child obedient out of fear is not a good one
    >Everybody makes mistakes
    >Crime is a punishable offence
    >Mutual Love and Respect are the foundation of every healthy relationship including between those in power and those part of the flock - The haves and the have nots.

    The good deserve to be rewarded , given blessings and abundance and taught the way to clear their path. More and better.

    Argue the point.

    >I want to see those people smile again...
    >After what you've pulled.... I would love to see grand tears....

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you expect them to do about it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To stop attending mass, to seek their god by themselves, to stop giving these wolves in sheep's clothing power

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >To stop attending mass
        weekly attendance in most western parishes is already a tiny fraction. most nominally catholic churches are entirely dependent on contributions from the dioceses, which themselves remain solvent through banking. proceeds from the collection plate are not nearly enough to keep the beast alive

        >to seek god by themselves
        if you were determined to seek god by yourself, then you would not see any point in expecting others to seek god by themselves also.

        >to stop giving these wolves in sheep's clothing power
        actually it is god who gave them power, to punish sinners with blindness and obstinacy. insofar as it is our sins that lead to this, i agree that the solution is to stop sinning

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >proceeds from the collection plate are not nearly enough to keep the beast alive
          it's not about draining it financially, it's about reducing its cultural influence which mass mainly accounts for. in doing that, you're reducing it to a cultural nothing, don't really care if they keep making money.

          >if you were determined to seek god by yourself, then you would not see any point in expecting others to seek god by themselves also.
          "seeking god by themselves" means they don't have to rely on a centralized figure, ie the Vatican, to do so, and it doesn't have to mean individually, you can associate with others, as long as you agree on the same basic premises. and I am not making anyone join me, if they want to, they're free to do so, so effectively, I don't care if they don't care. but I do care that this blatantly evil institution is not at all what it proclaims to be, and that if people paid more attention, or didn't willfully ignore the truth laid bare before them, they'd agree with me.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not about draining it financially, it's about reducing its cultural influence which mass mainly accounts for.
            except that there is hardly anyone attending mass now (and of those who do, very few actually pay attention to the sermon)
            >in doing that, you're reducing it to a cultural nothing, don't really care if they keep making money.
            they keep making money, they can keep buying cultural influence, simple as

            >"seeking god by themselves" means they don't have to rely on a centralized figure, ie the Vatican, to do so, and it doesn't have to mean individually, you can associate with others, as long as you agree on the same basic premises. and I am not making anyone join me, if they want to, they're free to do so, so effectively, I don't care if they don't care. but I do care that this blatantly evil institution is not at all what it proclaims to be, and that if people paid more attention, or didn't willfully ignore the truth laid bare before them, they'd agree with me.
            oh ok. so "seeking god by themselves" doesnt actually mean seeking god by themselves, it means protestantism. as long as were clear.

            but most people who call themselves catholic already feel themselves free to believe and practice whatever they prefer. i think the problem is that you prefer something else for them. thats pretty much the opposite of seeking god by yourself

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but most people who call themselves catholic already feel themselves free to believe and practice whatever they prefer.
            And yet they still believe in the Vatican's righteousness and immaculate authority, which is precisely the point I'm addressing. You're looking to frame this as though I'm convinced I know what's best for everyone so everyone should do as I say, but that's not what I'm saying or believe in at all. I'm saying the Vatican is hypocritical, to say the least, and thus not deserving of being held in the regard it is by most catholics, but that many of them choose to ignore these vices because it's inconvenient to their belief system. You can acknlowledge it or not, but if you don't, I seriously believe you're turning a blind eye because it's the easy thing to do, which is not really the christian thing to do.

            >except that there is hardly anyone attending mass now (and of those who do, very few actually pay attention to the sermon)
            yeah bullshit, it's still huge even if dwindling, and even if it weren't, there would still be too many people giving it legitimacy

            >they keep making money, they can keep buying cultural influence, simple as
            so I should just be fine with its existence because I'm in no position to seize their assets? that's stupid and slave-mentality

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >oh ok. so "seeking god by themselves" doesnt actually mean seeking god by themselves, it means protestantism. as long as were clear.
            ideas are not exclusive to some people, if you believe in the same thing as your neighbor, why would you not join him in fulfilling your common belief? why would "seeking your god by yourself" have to mean doing it individually? that's your own convenient interpretation of syntactic ambiguity.
            And to make it clear, you can rely on a centralized figure, if you want. but if it happens to be the vatican, you're either complacent in the worst of kinds, or moronic.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And yet they still believe in the Vatican's righteousness and immaculate authority, which is precisely the point I'm addressing.
            i dont think that is the case at all. most catholics deny the dogma of transubstantiation. they disagree on issues like clerical celibacy, marital chastity, the death penalty, and homosexuality. there are many factions within the institutions of the catholic church that are contending for control over her doctrine. of these, there are a few that believe the pope has unquestionable authority. since francis himself is evidently not a member of this faction, since his election, these have been mostly stuck in an endless loop of explaining why francis didnt actually mean the latest thing that he plainly said. then there are the traditionalists who, for all practical intents and purposes, have disregarded the holy see ever since the promulgation of the new mass. and these are the hard liners when it comes to papal authority.

            in part, the vatican is able to get away with what it does, not because all these blind adherents refuse to question its authority, but rather because no one takes it seriously enough to hold it up against what it claims to be. imo you should be fine with the existence of this massive fraud, not because you lack the power to punish it, but because it is deserved. the people went bad long before the prelates did. if you want to do something about it then become a saint.

            >oh ok. so "seeking god by themselves" doesnt actually mean seeking god by themselves, it means protestantism. as long as were clear.
            ideas are not exclusive to some people, if you believe in the same thing as your neighbor, why would you not join him in fulfilling your common belief? why would "seeking your god by yourself" have to mean doing it individually? that's your own convenient interpretation of syntactic ambiguity.
            And to make it clear, you can rely on a centralized figure, if you want. but if it happens to be the vatican, you're either complacent in the worst of kinds, or moronic.

            >ideas are not exclusive to some people, if you believe in the same thing as your neighbor, why would you not join him in fulfilling your common belief? why would "seeking your god by yourself" have to mean doing it individually? that's your own convenient interpretation of syntactic ambiguity.
            beliefs only become important in relation to others. as individuals, we are all so many parts of the whole of humanity. there is a fully solitary path in which belief, neither ones own or that of ones neighbor, plays no part.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i dont think that is the case at all. most catholics deny the dogma of transubstantiation. they disagree on issues like clerical celibacy, marital chastity, the death penalty, and homosexuality ...
            thousands of people mobilize to wherever the pope goes, just to see him. the pope is the vatican. these points of contention are all marginal and aren't conducive to a negation of the vatican's authority by those who don't fully agree with it. it's even more shocking that in not agreeing with everything the vatican says, instead of looking for an alternative, they keep supporting the official word of the church because of two factors: identity of the self; and fear of change/complacency with the tolerable status quo. these aspects are in line with human nature, but that doesn't make them less wrong imo, especially since many teachings of Christ go against that same nature.

            >in part, the vatican is able to get away with what it does, not because all these blind adherents refuse to question its authority, but rather because no one takes it seriously enough to hold it up against what it claims to be.
            I'm sure the average mass-going christian wouldn't mind being excommunicated, since they don't even take the vatican seriously. Catholics don't even care about the pope! It's not like they flock everywhere he goes to see him!

            >imo you should be fine with the existence of this massive fraud, not because you lack the power to punish it, but because it is deserved. the people went bad long before the prelates did. if you want to do something about it then become a saint.
            lmao because Jesus himself stood passively by watching as the temple was being used for unholy business, right?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >thousands of people mobilize to wherever the pope goes, just to see him
            this is not many. but notice that the pope's power as a celebrity is inversely proportional to his effective authority as a prelate. when the influence of the papacy was at its height, the majority of faithful catholics were illiterate peasants who probably couldnt even tell you his name. such is the nature of spectacle. it arises from change, whereas papal authority is a stabilizing principle.

            >identity of the self
            absolutely yes

            >fear of change/complacency with the tolerable status quo
            every single voice in catholicism today is calling for some kind of change. no one, but no one, is happy with the status quo.

            >I'm sure the average mass-going christian wouldn't mind being excommunicated, since they don't even take the vatican seriously.
            you jest, but this is precisely how the pews have been emptying. a lot of divorced and remarried people

            >lmao because Jesus himself stood passively by watching as the temple was being used for unholy business, right?
            is he passively watching right now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this is not many. but notice that the pope's power as a celebrity is inversely proportional to his effective authority as a prelate
            it is many, last world youth day mobilized upwards of a million people. it is true that many are in it for the celebrity factor/fomo, but in not ignoring his emminence (lmao), and in actively participating in this aggrandized "courtship", they're lending credibility to the institution, even if the motives aren't of spiritual nature. same thing with elected govt officials, most people don't even know their representatives' concrete policies, but they sure show up to see them at any social event, and vote for them. Their legitimacy is thus apparent, and the status quo remains, albeit somewhat weakened due to the atheization of the general populace, which isn't due to, primarily or even secondarily, the vatican's blatant hypocrisy imo. My point being that even if the pope's authority as a prelate is minimal historically, the sheer persistent complacency with the insititution by the overwhelming majority of catholics, and the inverse absence of significant deviation from the organization, puts the vatican in a comfortable position to keep doing what it has always ( I assume) been doing.

            >every single voice in catholicism today is calling for some kind of change. no one, but no one, is happy with the status quo.
            But these calls are part of the problem, in that and as long as they don't implicate any palpable deviation. They give the appearance of willingness to change, without the actual change. The vatican knows that as long as these voices keep being just that, it's fine. As soon as they threaten materializing into something tangible, changes are made, but seldom are they capable of expelling the vices within. The problem is rooted so deep I believe it can only be purged by means of total reinvention.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            world youth day had that effect because the Pope had a humble posture towards regular people who feel unworthy instead of acting "holier than thou".

            Plus his main sentence "Have no fear" is relevant given the amounts of fear porn and insecurity there is currently in everything.

            So you'd feel a want to pay back the gesture and also the challenge of facing fears instead of succumbing to fear porn and just this 2 is already a huge mental relief for the world youth.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And yet they still believe in the Vatican's righteousness and immaculate authority
            no we don't, I spit in bergoglio's face
            why do you think he doesn't come back to argentina?, he can't walk here, he is a fricking rat

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t get it. They feel like not doing that is fleeing the Church and thus abandoning Jesus. The clergy is holding God hostage in the minds of millions of faithful Catholics. They’re good people and don’t deserve what’s happening to them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Interesting take.

          All religions play the same game.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Golem blood.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know what? This is the best picture of Bergoglio. He looks based with this black coat, inside a train, doing the masonic sign.
    Feels based and cool, and the fear it induces in the truthertards make it looks satanic as well, which is even better.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cool pic

    You'll hate the reply but..

    Most of the alternative is way worse. Point any other good alternative..

    Become a spiritual seeker? That doesn't mean you abandon the Church

    Become atheist? Become protestant? which of the 200 different denominations?

    Become Orthodox and follow slavic customs?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >protestant
      You're a dumb fricking Black person. Do you even know what protestants are? Why is that worse or no better than being Catholic? Frick you.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They reeeee that it's not DA REAL CHURCH REAL CHRISTIANITY HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Masons are satanic to Catholics, they excommunicate all Masons.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vatican works as a huge Lighthouse that even spiritual seekers take benefit from. It's the only one organized wester one.

    Take it out and we all fall hard. Surely the people in the only Lighthouse have abused power, just like in Corporations and Schools? Yes, but that's not a point against its existence.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s the same kind of light that one finds in Plato’s Cave. We need the sun bros…

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You still need Plato cave light to figure out the exit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s better to snuff out the light and find your way out of the darkness than to cling onto it like an idol

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and yet, snuffing it out would be unnecessary and unhelpful. just walk out of the cave bro
            (nta)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True, but sometimes it takes a painful experience to make us change.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i mean, thats what i think is happening now, so i agree

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The darkness is coming, but the True Light will not abandon His sheep.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not everyone will make it out ok unharmed.

            The majority of people instead of becoming seekers will just turn to hard drugs hedonism materialism and consumerism, basically what you mostly see on modern world.

            Sure there is the 10% who would escape the cave earlier if there was no light, but are you willing to leave the 90% to the cave butchers without light?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then God will have to come and fix things. I’m not His god, not His father, and not His lord. The false light isn’t God so what difference does it make?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            plato doesnt say that the fire in the cave is a false light, only that the shadows cast upon the wall of the cave are not what they seem to be. it may extend the allegory beyond its original limits, but surely if the fire bore no resemblance to the sun then no shadows could appear

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Then God will have to come and fix things

            Your alternative plan leaving 90% to be butchered in the dark as cannon fodder, take responsability for it instead of using God as an aliby.

            Your using God to escape responsability, so seems you're still not out of the cave.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A house built on sand will be swept away in a great tempest. If it is not of God, let it be dashed to the rocks.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A house built on sand will be swept away in a great tempest. If it is not of God, let it be dashed to the rocks.

            Sure and correct, but the point of leaving 90% to be butchered in the dark can't be ignored.

            You're having a tough time to stomach the idea for a reason.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I tell you with full honesty that I am okay with the consequences.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, catholic clergy is also ok with the idea of only a small minority making it into Heaven and the big majority flunking.

            The abstract thought structure is the same, but yours has an additional layer.
            What was imprinted in the unconscious toys with us until we die I guess.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You’re implying that the false light is bringing its victims to paradise after death. Untrue.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well I'm just observing that the thought pattern is the same as those that you discard.

            What happens on metaphysical realms I can't claim to empirically know for sure.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The clergy know a lot about the falsehood of their religion and are guilty of deception. If darkness comes, so be it. Men dwelt in darkness. A light came, but it was not the sun. If we do not find the sun we will be trapped in this false paradigm forever.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's suppose all you say is true.

            You're already speaking from the position of someone who got plato's inside cave light, or what you call as a "false light".

            A true empty blanket would be nothing at all, like being born in a communist country where religious beliefs could get you in trouble with the state.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well I'm just observing that the thought pattern is the same as those that you discard.

            What happens on metaphysical realms I can't claim to empirically know for sure.

            and what is the esoteric significance of the doctrine of the fewness of the saved? christ said, "many are called but few are chosen," why would that be the case?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why would that be the case?

            I go by what I've empirically observed.
            Do you mean to ask internal work or people behaviour? Not specific enough of a question.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i asked about the esoteric significance and thus to internal work.

            >this is not many. but notice that the pope's power as a celebrity is inversely proportional to his effective authority as a prelate
            it is many, last world youth day mobilized upwards of a million people. it is true that many are in it for the celebrity factor/fomo, but in not ignoring his emminence (lmao), and in actively participating in this aggrandized "courtship", they're lending credibility to the institution, even if the motives aren't of spiritual nature. same thing with elected govt officials, most people don't even know their representatives' concrete policies, but they sure show up to see them at any social event, and vote for them. Their legitimacy is thus apparent, and the status quo remains, albeit somewhat weakened due to the atheization of the general populace, which isn't due to, primarily or even secondarily, the vatican's blatant hypocrisy imo. My point being that even if the pope's authority as a prelate is minimal historically, the sheer persistent complacency with the insititution by the overwhelming majority of catholics, and the inverse absence of significant deviation from the organization, puts the vatican in a comfortable position to keep doing what it has always ( I assume) been doing.

            >every single voice in catholicism today is calling for some kind of change. no one, but no one, is happy with the status quo.
            But these calls are part of the problem, in that and as long as they don't implicate any palpable deviation. They give the appearance of willingness to change, without the actual change. The vatican knows that as long as these voices keep being just that, it's fine. As soon as they threaten materializing into something tangible, changes are made, but seldom are they capable of expelling the vices within. The problem is rooted so deep I believe it can only be purged by means of total reinvention.

            >what it has always ( I assume) been doing.
            that is a big assumption. the vatican says that it is entering a new springtime, and the greatest complacency seems to belong to those who agree. historically speaking this kind of rhetoric is absolutely novel. which makes the following:
            >The problem is rooted so deep I believe it can only be purged by means of total reinvention.
            appear rather ironic.
            if constant calls for change (and this would include your own) give only the appearance of change, without the actual change, then perhaps the actual change itself does not resemble anything that these voices have called for, and that is why you dont see it.
            in that case, what is it? this is why i asked about the significance of the fewness of the saved with respect to interior work. the many who are called, what are they if not the many creatures that are called by god insofar as they reflect his perfections? and what are the chosen few, if not those perfections in themselves?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i asked about the esoteric significance and thus to internal work.

            Fine enough, we're on /x/ so it pays to double check.
            I can just go by empiricism rather than theory.

            Well, answering the call requires more or less to challenge everything that's been pumped into your soft head until you were 25 years old and re-starting from scratch.

            All the "conclusions" are there, either taught or learnt via experiences not of one's choosing.

            Discovering that a good chunk of one's personality was forged by things beyond their control causes a huge feeling of insecurity.

            But without discarding everything in there, which means a certain willingness to disattach from the personality/ego that makes one feel protected, it is impossible for communication with the more divine sparks to begin.

            Divine speaks in almost mute whispers, and most of the crap indoctrinated in one's head albeit useful for survival mutes such quasi silent voice.
            Even one's internal ear being too active can be problem, let alone the rest.

            Well, this is just my experience. Not sure what some other theory may say or not.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So to wrap it up, many times the more divine voice tries to you, but the amount of times you actually set up conditions to hear it or bother to try to hear it will be very little in proportion.

            Because survival and mental drama are inherently more automatic.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So to wrap it up, many times the more divine voice tries to you, but the amount of times you actually set up conditions to hear it or bother to try to hear it will be very little in proportion.

            Because survival and mental drama are inherently more automatic.

            thats pretty good. what you say relates mainly to beliefs, it can be generalized, but nevertheless what youre talking about is close to what saint john of the cross called the night of the spirit, the second 'dark night of the soul' on the way to salvation. this is the point where the soul is mature enough to give up its cherished beliefs and opinions, and the grace of the holy ghost operates in that soul so to deprive it of any satisfaction in what it has customarily taken to be its own ideas.
            the state of such a soul must be very far removed from the influence of polemics, and it must understand the virtue of obedience in abstraction from any sentimental attachments.
            i hope this serves as a hint to the nature of 'reform', or rather what one should call restoration, in the church

            >if constant calls for change (and this would include your own) give only the appearance of change, without the actual change, then perhaps the actual change itself does not resemble anything that these voices have called for, and that is why you dont see it
            "total" being the key word. a total change can not be so only in appearance, it implicates substantial change as well. and at all levels. maybe I'm being too considerate by calling for a "reinvention", maybe "erradication" is better suited, but then again maybe there's some good in it that ought to be preserved. Ideally, the result should be the preservation of the institution, but only of that which isn't susceptible to corruption, and if that leaves nothing to be kept, so be it, it wasn't meant to be.

            substantial change in the philosophical sense means eradication, as for instance in transubstantiation the substance of the bread and wine is eradicated.
            in fact, everything of the institutions of the catholic church that is susceptible to corruption is being destroyed in accordance with divine providence. i hope you werent expecting it to be pretty.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >substantial change in the philosophical sense means eradication
            I am not well versed in that matter, but in the syntactic sense, "substantial change" doesn't implicate eradication, only that something is materially altered in some way, even just fractionally so, in which case the core that gives something its respective identity remains intact. Is the association with eradication made in philosophy perhaps, because once something has been altered in its substance, even if only marginally, it can no longer be said to be the same thing as it was before the change, thus having been subjected to eradication?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is the association with eradication made in philosophy perhaps, because once something has been altered in its substance, even if only marginally, it can no longer be said to be the same thing as it was before the change, thus having been subjected to eradication?
            yes. substantial change in the technical sense means that the substance has changed, but since anything is its substance, this means that it has ceased to be. birth and death are thus the paradigmatic substantial changes. it is opposed to accidental change, in which the substance undergoes any degree of change but without ceasing to be what it is.

            as the church is divinely instituted, it cannot really be eradicated. but what is really essential to its constitution? that would be the faith and the sacraments. as long as there is one faithful priest in the world, a catholic can say that christ has kept his promises. it would be easy to reduce the church to one faithful priest, but impossible to reduce it any further than that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thanks mate I'll ponder on what you said aswell.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if constant calls for change (and this would include your own) give only the appearance of change, without the actual change, then perhaps the actual change itself does not resemble anything that these voices have called for, and that is why you dont see it
            "total" being the key word. a total change can not be so only in appearance, it implicates substantial change as well. and at all levels. maybe I'm being too considerate by calling for a "reinvention", maybe "erradication" is better suited, but then again maybe there's some good in it that ought to be preserved. Ideally, the result should be the preservation of the institution, but only of that which isn't susceptible to corruption, and if that leaves nothing to be kept, so be it, it wasn't meant to be.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Your alternative plan leaving 90% to be butchered in the dark as cannon fodder,

            So many people through history have been senselessly butchered as cannon fodder in the name of the papacy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Light is achievable thru masonry.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the only 'light' that masonry offers is some nebulous ideal of self-improvement. and the vatican and masonry are one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It absolutely is. I would trade their entirety for the hair on a childs head. Prepare for war.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you referring to that pesky modern Roman cult?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    King Rael (formerly King Paimon)

    The Pope said it was okay to make fun of God.
    What a wienersucking motherfricker Pope Francis is.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism isn't Christian. It's rebranded Paganism. The Mysteries rule the world. The Vatican, Washington DC, and the City of London all have an obelisk, representing the penis of Osiris/Tamuz. They are all separate entities from the countries in which they reside.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you evidently dont even understand what the mysteries were, but i will not explain, as the penalty for profanation is death

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hello, Brotherman. You're beyond deceived and your indoctrinated opinion about your little Luciferian religion means nothing to me.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the first misunderstanding is that the mysteries had anything to do with religion, or with masonry for that matter.
          they died of profanity, as is meet and just. if the mysteries had been kept sacred, christianity could not have conquered them.
          the same thing is happening to christianity today. they profaned the holy mystery of faith. that is why it is dying.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Catholicism isn't Christian. It's rebranded Paganism.

      All Christianity is based in Paganism. Judaism is also derived from paganism. The distinction is a false construct. Calling others pagan is like calling others goyim. Its ultimately meaningless ethnocentrism.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pagans don't worship Jesus. Empirical scientific proof of Christ and scripture comes through the eucharistic miracles

        ?si=jy4maXEt7koDbWej

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Proof of Christ and the authority of the Roman Catholic Church comes when the priest casts out demons in Jesus name during exorcism

        ?si=U8WNyooFPZ3siarG

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >demons leave host when the name of their master (lucifer) is said
          whoa, who would've known?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NOOOOO!!!! You can’t say that

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Vade retro satana

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your goy medal won’t work on me

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They leave when the name of Jesus is used to cast them out. Jesus Christ is the son of God

            ?si=WFGUdWzrsbTQZxGT

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When ancient Babylonians did exorcisms why did they also work?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. They were demon possessed pagans. They conjured demons instead of casting them out

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            but the kingdom of Satan can’t be divided thus says rabbi yeshua. Maybe we should start looking at him more critically if demons can cast out other demons…

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus Christ is the sun God (Lucifer)
            FTFY*

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dude lmfao I swear to god that no one cares about what the frick the pope thinks except moronic American protestants/atheist/satanists/whatever the frick, in every catholic country people don't give a single shit. Go suck pope's wiener behind an Arby's mystery meat loser.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >in every catholic country people don't give a single shit
      exactly why the vatican's been able to get away with literal pedophilia, thanks for proving my point moron

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A problem plaguing politics of influential non catholic (some even protestant) groups, but it's ok to do it if it's non cath pedophilia.

        Tribalism is the ball here.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah just like the israelites and the atheists and the muslims and the gays and literally everyone else fricking moron.

          >it's ok to do it if it's non cath pedophilia.

          where did I say that?

          the big crux here, is that the vatican is a big, central entity, and therefore easier to place under scrutiny. not to mention that I decided to talk about the pope itt specifically because of the his jesuit and possibly masonic connections, which are /x/ related. I could've made a thread on pedophilia in religious institutions in general, yet I didn't, because that's not what the initial topic entails in its entirety. If you ask yourself why I chose to make a thread on the spokesperson of the biggest branch of christianity, as opposed to some protestant kidfricker in bumfrick alabama, the answer will be obvious, provided you're not moronic at an olympic level.

          whataboutism is the usual cathcuck excuse as always

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's this trend of people very worried about pedophilia only caring about such in catholic circles, and turning a blind eye to when it happens in non catholic groups.

            it takes away credibility.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sure, I agree. But I'm not going to place a disclaimer under every one of my posts lambasting catholicism, stating how I'm aware pedophilia is a pervasive problem elsewhere. It'd be impractical. Anyway, pedophilia is just one of the many wrongs taking place in the vatican.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah just like the israelites and the atheists and the muslims and the gays and literally everyone else fricking moron.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Christians are not complacent. Catholics are. Christians know Catholic Church is the synagogue of Satan, compromised long ago into idol worship and that Catholics are not christians.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      op here, I made a denominational mistake. let's carry on please

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are many who know

  21. 4 weeks ago
    MESSIAH

    It is a religion of convenience, in that Somebody else dies for your sins, and Somebody else is coming to the save the world - save you from yourselves, and pick up all your garbage...

  22. 4 weeks ago
    ∆V

    2024.06.16, Judgment Day.

    "The Messiah is coming to teach everyone about the Torah!"

    Hahaha. No. You're getting a strict lecture on the dangers of carnivorism. That's where Peace and Love starts.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    An_Inconvenient_Truth

    >wait, ALF is from Sirius?

    This is going to be so much fun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Are you watching closely?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this popped up today on my feed, catholic church is kinda sus anyways

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Vatican has been infiltrated and poisoned against the people whom it is supposed to serve.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By the _ _ _ _?

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Christians be like
    >hey, let's go worship the (obviously fake) "incorrupt body" of a dead coon!
    >sounds great, I will bring my wife and kids so we can all gather around the sacred Black person!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Negressa sacra to you HERETIC!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wilhelnigra Lancoonster :^)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wilhelm Scream Goonmaster

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a burgerfat, my president does all of the above, and worse. Being in a supposed democracy, part of that is my fault. Feels bad man.
    As a Catholic, the pontiff is involved in a lot of what you say, but I'm not responsible for putting him in power. Feels a tiny bit less bad man.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m Protestant so make fun of me
    Catholics are fake Christian’s
    Orthodoxy is the true Church

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Empirical scientific proof of Christ and scripture comes through the eucharistic miracles performed at Roman Catholic mass. Obey Christ attend mass. Mark 14:22
      https://www.magiscenter.com/blog/approved-eucharistic-miracles-21st-century

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing the jesuit fears is traditional Catholicism and orthodox Christianity

    ?si=nEIRoC5u55d3UDZM

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only Catholics can and have destroyed the jesuits. Jesuits can only rule over a protestant sinful world.
    https://www.youtube.com/live/EVHLADTT_0I?si=Hg2uVXMMwYWODRnz

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idk about the other countries, but in portugal the catholic church had nothing to do with the jesuits' expulsion, it was all thanks to a freemason who hated the church. and the jesuits were arguably bigger there than anywhere else

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bigger version

    what's that shirt he's wearing under his coat, and that sign on his neck? is that the regular thing, or is that sign of black papacy?

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idiotic AI tier question.

    Do you really think the church of Rome, the Vatican or the Pope and his army of pedos give a single flying frick what the average Catholic or Christian wants?
    First of all not all Christians are Catholic.
    The Vatican is nothing more the an international criminal Mafia organization of the creepiest kind.
    At this point, they have so much money, influence, power and resources at their disposal they even if every Catholic sheep on the planet stop donating tithes and stopped attending church it wouldn't phase them a bit.
    OP is a stupid question of the year award.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are you moronic? I asked why christians are ok with it being the way it is, not what the vatican thinks of its dwindling influence or how it manages to stay afloat. you have mongoloid-tier reading comprehension

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vatican's biggest problem is rampant homosexuality within the clergy.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there is a literal fricking skull + 2 bones in a glass showcase in my local church

    you tell me that's not pagan or whatever demon worship thing. why didn't the church get rid of it? why do they rely on pagan stuff if it's a christian church ?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >9 KB, 275x184

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