What was it like believing in aliens in the 90's pre-internet era?

What was it like believing in aliens in the 90's pre-internet era?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Twas the wild wild west for schizos

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That makes a lot of sense actually. Without access to a large body of theories and sightings, you are at the mercy of whatever shoddy info led you there (say, one TV show or one book you found). Everyone would have been working with less/worse info and this would make it open season for Cadillac Schizo-theories, which appeal to all minds due to their explanatory reach.

      What amazes me is how we seem to have a pretty strong consensus on the phenomenon without reference to official channels or confirmations. But swirling around that consensus are all kinds of batshit madness.

      It also amazes me how most of the public (including lots of "experts") cannot engate the topic due to a severely misplaced trust in government.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The consensus that forms is a result of real phenomena related to Nazi & American tech that is conveniently covered up by the illusion of aliens.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually enjoy the Nazi UFO theories, but they are wildly speculative. Could be. The consensus I was refering to seems to be:

          >ayys are already quite involved in human affairs, for their own reasons, possibly infiltrating in various ways, and possibly seeding tech to humans over the postwar era
          >ayys have made alliances with parts of the human government/defense apparaus.
          >VAST deception EVERYWHERE
          >ayys are not our friends

          It seems to pretty clearly be a colonial invasion attempting to gain control of humanity for an unknown end (resource control or inhabitation of Earth)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Wildly speculative
            >More down to earth than aliens from outer space which we have 0 evidence for and is entirely speculation
            >there is actual proof of Die Glocke and Nazi UFO research
            >Operation Paperclip
            >Operation Highjump
            >Still 0 evidence of aliens at all except the word of people who's job it is to cover this shit up

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You clearly have ignored abductions and close encounters entirely. I understand it is very weird and unsettling, but you cannot form an opinion until you have read through a good portion of these cases. Material evidence is scant, I agree, but not absent. Mutilated animal/human corpses, material debris like slag exhaust or bismuth ejections and geiger readings at areas of note, seem to verify large portions of witness accounts.

            And it will not take long for you to realize Evidence Collection is very, very good at what it does.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah yeah anybody can make a hoax claim, and the government has an interest in doing this shit because it makes people paranoid and believe in aliums
            yes the government would mutilate cows and abduct people just to hide advanced technology
            do you think they aren't sociopaths? cuz they are

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            James Fox is one of the best presenters of some of the better studied cases.His feature documentaries are excellent but you can find lots of interviews online.

            I agree anyone can be a hoaxer and I agree this should be your skeptical attitude upon examining these cases. Stay skeptical as long as you can, only don't look away when you see some doubts gathering.

            Jacques Vallee is ultimately the best source for close encounters. It seems to me a major divide running through UFO land distinguishes people who take close encounters seriously and people who dismiss them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're not going to convince me of aliens.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I couldnt swallow the alienpill until I rediscovered faith in God, I get it man, shit is horrifying.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There used to be a time where cities roamed the skies and affluent people had flying houses instead of cars. The technology was so open and accessible that anybody with the materials could make some kind of vehicle.

            I believe in God like no other, brother.
            The real horrifying thing is that this is all human activity. The alien PsyOP has become a tool for pacification because the globalists have lead the hoax in such a direction that people believe these aliens are benevolent or here to help us.

            The truth is far more terrifying. Nazi's & US gov. Who knows what other governments have it by now?
            People drop nukes - not fake aliens.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the alien PsyOp

            You know what the real Psyop is? The ayys are using the internet and directing it. How do they plug in? Same place the NSA taps in. Only they have more channels...

            The mass manipulation of human thought is well underway. We are being prepared for the Next Stage you are right.

            I can't really argue with you friend, I think we both realize humanity is in the grips of an Evil Kabal and God is the only way to Freedom (individual and collective!)

            I don't know that it matters if Nazis are alien assets or aliens are Nazi assets. It's all evil and I will fight it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Alexander Hamilton wrote about cattle mutilations. They've been happening a long time...way before the Nazis

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I get so tired of talking to literal glowies and morons.

            Prove it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was written in newspapers all around the country in the late 1900s. No hard evidence in the form of pictures or anything like that.
            You can read about it in Jacques Vallee's "Anatomy of the Phenomena".
            Not trying to argue or anything. It is what it is given the time period. Have a good one

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My mistake, I meant to say late 19th century. Obviously not late 1900s

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the alien PsyOp

            You know what the real Psyop is? The ayys are using the internet and directing it. How do they plug in? Same place the NSA taps in. Only they have more channels...

            The mass manipulation of human thought is well underway. We are being prepared for the Next Stage you are right.

            I can't really argue with you friend, I think we both realize humanity is in the grips of an Evil Kabal and God is the only way to Freedom (individual and collective!)

            I don't know that it matters if Nazis are alien assets or aliens are Nazi assets. It's all evil and I will fight it.

            Just forget the aliens and fight the enemy that is right in front of you with love and compassion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Correct. That's where I have arrived. I also pray whenever I feel frightened for protection from all sinister entities. Then I fall alseep in peace, and dream about humans.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like the message but easier said than done.
            If you're not a Jesus like sage or something, how do you show compassion and love to something that torments you? Do you love everything? Do you love hate itself or is it ok to hate that?

            Not tryna give you a rough time just genuinely curious how you think something like this is actually done

          • 2 months ago
            Texas-chan

            Love your enemies as you love your neighbor, as you love yourself, as God loves you and cares for you and sustains you day by day.
            Deny thyself and bear thy own cross daily.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but Yeshua, who is the living Son of God, gives freely to those who seek Him and His ways earnestly.
            He will help you love, He will help you forgive. As you grow to know Him, the things and anxieties of this world will become dim.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Amen. God is bigger than any alien scum.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Good points but you assume the government has control and a monopoly over UFOs and related information. They can only hoax so much. Some of the stuff is too out of control to be hoaxed

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You clearly need to research further: some links:

            https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36916947/

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            1. it does not do the Overlords ANY good to have humans fearing an alien invasion. it is perfectly easy to manipulate them into such absurd wars as Iraq by sending Colin Powell to the UN with a test tube on national television. They have already convinced most Americans it is necessary to build an ungodly amount of weapons and pretty much have unlimited taps for military spending

            2. Why would the government create a UFO invasion psy op while simultaneously pursuing a Government Coverrup psy op? Does the government want us to think we are being invaded or not??????

            Jesus use your brain, that entire thread is hogwash.
            >mind control
            >mind control to make it seem like mind control
            >government staging UFO abductions and then covering up their own psy op?
            >Nazis unloading crates of flying saucers in view of public on the Santa Monica Pier our of U-Boats
            Dude come on!!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah they don’t need alien psyops to make people do some shit
            People are already moronic insects and can be manipulated so easily

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its (mis)information overload to make ppl question everything and to make as many ppl simply check out of current events due to weariness

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This actually started picking up steam in the 90's. Drugs were falling out of fashion with crack being a failure for mainstream adoption. They had to find new ways to disorient and dissilusion people.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Could be a part of it maybe. But the us gov doesn’t wanna promote the idea of aliens at all. Basically at all costs. The whole history points to this. Operation Mockingbird etc

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Mutilated animal/human corpses
            The eyes, lips, genitals and buttholes of dead humans and other large animals always get eaten first because they're the soft tissues that small scavengers can easily eat.
            The rest of the carcass lasts longer. There is no mystery about this.
            And no, it's not a chupacabra.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just going to ignore the draining of blood, the precision incisions, cattle and sheep being blinded or having their tongues surgically cut out overnight? what predator, pray tell, attacks a cow without a drop of blood being spilled? Or using what looks like a surgical laser?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            To be fair this is some seriously unsettling shit when you first encounter it, I get the defense mechanisms. There are cow mutilation cases I have read that prove ETs are here in my opinion. Adult carcasses landing from high drops in the middle of a field, bones crushed... that is not possible without aircraft. Period.

            Purebread adult cattle are worth several thousand and many of these farmers are not rich men. It is impossible that they would stage these in such high numbers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just going to ignore the draining of blood
            Blood naturally drains out of wounds. It also pools on the underside of dead human bodies and animal carcasses.
            Without a beating heart to pump blood around, gravity pulls a dead animal's blood towards the centre of the Earth.
            So if you cut into the top of a large animal that has been dead for some time you probably aren't going to find much blood because it has bled out or been drained by gravity to the parts of the animal that are closest to the Earth. And no doubt for for other obvious reasons that I don't know because I don't actually spend any time dealing with human or animal carcasses.
            >the precision incisions
            The what now?
            >cattle and sheep being blinded
            See

            https://i.imgur.com/6xe5IaK.jpg

            >or having their tongues surgically cut out overnight
            Oops! I forgot to mention tongues in my list of eyes, lips, genitals and buttholes being soft tissues/organs that are quickly eaten by small scavengers such as birds and rodents.
            Of course these openings are also entry points for small scavengers to actually enter the carcass of a large animal and begin eating other soft parts inside.
            It takes time and/or a much bigger predator/scavenger such as a big cat, dog, hyena or crocodile to tear open and dismember the tough carcass of a large animal such as a cow or a sheep.
            >what predator, pray tell, attacks a cow without a drop of blood being spilled? Or using what looks like a surgical laser?
            None that I know of. But cows can die of many things that don't inflict external wounds. Disease springs to mind. Dehydration. Starvation. Birthing mishap (with the stillborn calf having been dragged away by predators/scavengers, and afterbirth etc being eaten by scavengers).
            But sure, it's all aliens and chupacabras. You got me there!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            rolling for lizardussy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Correct. Secret 'antigravity' craft, mind control programming ("abductions"), possible NWO plans, etc

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ours is now a world with the wisdom of the crowd determining the zeitgeist of any of our mythos.
        Up until recently.
        Pre-YouTube purge there was a wealth of information and with it came the distillation of the current zeitgeist.
        As it stands, I think we could see a dope x-files all over again.
        Simply because the availability of information is now, yet again, very condensed because of the algorithm embedded in everything.
        Which I think is partly to blame for our current feeling that “something big will happen” but not having a set thing to point too.

        While the 2010’s were too much info not enough context, we now have too much context without any solid info.

        That was what made x-files perfect.
        It gave information to the context of political intrigue that was in the media.
        A soft disclosure of why things were happening through pulpy intrigue.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can you tell me more about the Youtube purge? I'm new to this stuff.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In 2015 there was a massive purge of all conspiracy related videos.
            We’re talking probably 100 million videos all deleted.
            While it’s safe to say many were just reuploads of the same video of the conspiracy equivalent of YouTube poop.
            Many many others were not.
            As a result there has since been a crackdown and labeling of anything going against mainstream news as disinformation.
            Especially when it was true.
            While the main purge happened in 2015, many similar purges occur today with algorithmic throttling of topics that pique interest into the larger world of conspiracies.
            This has had a chilling effect on the dissemination of truth and a muddying effect on non-visual media like EerieWeb through astroturfing and strawmanning shitting up good threads with atheist, Christian, flat earth, vaxxer(antivaxxer) posters used to kill discussion.

            In short, the internet today is highly regulated and topics that were never meant to be discussed can no longer be, by design of the people that have much to lose with widespread knowledge of those forbidden subjects.
            The library of Alexandria has burned, hidden behind a closed for remodeling sign.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

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          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

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            >sucking his own dick

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            don't deny a man a due compliment

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You suck your own dick and play with developer tools. Am I supposed to be impressed?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I remember when I was young I watched a lot of conspiracy stuff pre 2015 and yeah I was young and gullible but I knew a lot of it was probably bullshit but I was young and enjoyed it anyway. That being said it makes me so depressed seeing the state of youtube, it was much cooler and interesting and I’d actually get good related videos.
            In short frick israelites for being a cancer on the earth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You Texas-Chan Nobody homosexuals are identifiable down to the jpg now, and none of you are older than 24 without being a clickfarm grifter.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wo-wo-west

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think the internet CREATED most of these schizos. You could read Strieber or listen to Art Bell and it was pretty cool. It wasn't schizo at all. The conspiracies were pretty tame and forgivable: JFK, bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, aliens. Weekly World News was dismissed as a joke, but it was really like the pre-internet clickbait. It was full of true stuff that just wasn't classy enough for real periodicals: super fat people, other gross human stuff.

      These days, as soon as there's news someone comes up with some nutty spin on it: "But what if this??" and people run with it. There are too many to keep track of. People WANT to believe in conspiracy theories. We're gonna revert back to like it was before information, where superstitions reign. Too much information has driven the simple-minded crazy. They'd sooner believe "magical" bullshit fantasies than the truth. Not really shitting on UFO stuff. I'm not sure there aren't aliens like I'm sure the earth isn't flat. I'm agnostic on aliens. UFOs are obviously real. I think most of it is probably classified technology though.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >UFOs are obviously real. I think most of it is probably classified technology though.
        this is a rational response but how do you resolve historical sightings that date back centuries? there's just too much to dismiss

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The tech originates from something other worldly, either alien or interdimensional. It's not just a random, man-made secret project. It's literally technology that esteemed scientists and engineers confirm cannot exist within the realms of our current knowledge. That's why it's classified.

          There's maybe a handful of really smart people who know about this tech, its origin, etc. and the rest of people who probably do work on alien/interdimensional tech have zero clue where this shit comes from or what it is.

          The schizo, nonsense part is when people suggest there's this big conspiracy, where everyone in the government knows and everyone's in on it. Or that there's this huge galactic empire with multiple ayy races. or that everyone has aliens inside them, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            lol we have fricking pictures of the tech

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects11.htm

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jesse Marcel said he found "I-beams with heiroglyphics" at the Roswell crash site.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ...is that a frickin' bakugan

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's an antigrav device. Apparently the symbols are part of how it operates. They have some kind of expanded idea of language that allows a symbol to represent a huge range of possible meanings, and have some kind of programmatic quality-- the symbols execute code when a certain field is applied to them.

            The antigrav device is what holds the various saucer components together. There are no nuts, bolts or welds. This device, when activated, causes the individual pieces inside the wienerpit to sit fixed in space where they belong (you can see the curved I beam on the right is floating).

            Read the coast to coast article, it is Fascinating. Someone could have faked the pictures, but his explanations of how alien tech actually works just seems beyond science fiction. It makes a lot of sense frankly.

            Couple this with the Chad drone siting in the wild and its like... there is no way someone faked all of this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't it be funny if the symbols were actually the alien equivalent of "Made by Goodyear" and the actual programming code was embedded in the molecular makeup of the devices themselves?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They could have been observing different things.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally this.
      Shit made no sense, and trying to explain it made you sound like a full blown nut.
      You watch as you and your entire family march down two flights of stairs, while "muppets" stare at you from the dining room window.
      >what a crazy dream for a five year old, lol
      vid unrelated, but why waste a link

      ?si=Ix3-6g0X7q7Sxq9X

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my post
        Reality isn't what you want it to be, it is what it is.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me it was much more of a "Man, I know it's all bullshit but I want to believe so bad" type thing. Nowadays it's more of a "Too much smoke for there not to be a fire. Don't know if it's aliens, secret tech that could vastly benefit mankind if it was released to the public, or something else, but it's something" type thing. In a way it was a more innocent and enjoyable interest in the 90s since it basically felt like being a scifi fan. Now it's just frustrating.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >secret tech that could vastly benefit mankind if it was released to the public
      This one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah this. If its extraterrestrial in origin is a whole another thing, the main issue is that whatever it is it would solve almost every global issue if revealed. We as a species are yet too primitive and dangerous in order to be entrusted with such power.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >We as a species are yet too primitive and dangerous in order to be entrusted with such power
          *According to the goons keeping it under wraps

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. When I was younger the only thing you could find out about ayylmaos pre internet was whatever came on history channel or from movies. My local Blockbuster and library didn’t really carry conspiracy stuff. Back then it was like cute little guys like ET and little green dudes that just want to meet my leader and now it’s like 100,000 year old conspiracy and psychological operations, and experiments and possibly human trafficking. I want to like aliens and be friendly to them if we ever meet but their PR is so bad that it’s really damaging the (aware) publics opinion of them and desire to interact with them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This, and also the sexy nordic aliens that coincidentally told the cult leader he was the messiah and everyone should frick him. Lots of cults revolving around ayys, granted a ton originated way before the 90s

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This one is weird as frick if you actually read into it. I had a hard time believing that people actually seriously participated in it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Raelism

            Wow this is literally an antihuman demonic cult. Fukk the ayys really are doing psy ops. This man is the Devil.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I thought it was based
            >Be chill to welcome Ayys
            >Full body freedom. Gay? bawd? IDGAF
            >Leader was a racecar driver who met some ayys, nothing more
            >Not another guilt ridden Christcult

            Refreshing stuff back then.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know, mankind sure did emphasize the necessity of sexual norms for all of history, in fact it seems to be the foundation of a culture, perhaps abandoning sexual norms fully is not a wise idea.

            How would you feel if you were a small child and informed you had no mother or father but were a clone? How would you think of the man before you, when he is introduced as the singular source of your being? Do you feel happy? Or do you feel like the Cosmos is playing a sick joke on your human person? Wouldn't a poor kiddo clone, fearing the meanings of this strange fact, long to run to the arms of his mother for comfort? What mother? A machine? A technology?

            You are demonic and cannot see it. I am not suggesting we burn sexual deviants or shame them to suicide. I am suggesting humans should not abandon the idea that some sexual activities are inherently wrong regardless of consent. For example jerking off with self-torture is evil, for everyone. It's delusional sex. So are many LGBT or fornicators, just living in a dreamworld.

            Rael seems like an alien psyop to prep humanity for dystopian rule. The greys want to rule us and turn us into an industrial bot species. The easiest way is to get us to sell our freedom in exchange for pleasures like freaky sex and drugs.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >mankind sure did emphasize the necessity of sexual norms
            More like those in power have always exercised control over enforcing "norms".
            Indeed it is the foundation of their social position and power.
            Certainly everything they wrote and put out said it is unwise to change the system that puts them at the top.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't be led astray by your testicles. What kind of family would you want to grow up in? What kind of family do you hope your children or future generations will be born into? Or are you such a miserably atomized westerner that you would rather have been born in a factory than suffer the humiliations of a family-grown personality?

            Yes there are instances where authority stupidly berates and humiliates and executes. It shouldn't be a matter of physical punishment or humiliation. It should be persuasion. We have forgotten truths which were once well known.

            99% of people will find their happiness reproducing with a member of the opposite sex and raising children

            Even the ones who like freaky sex.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Don't be led astray by your testicles.
            Dont be brainwashed by those who want to remain in control of you.
            >What kind of family would you want to grow up in?
            A loving one that desires all in it are nurtured and supported.
            Others have told you that is only p[ossible one way, and then punish you if you point out that the way they demand does not end in what I described even half the time.
            >It should be persuasion.
            Persuasion isnt done with the words "necessity" and "norms". Enforcement and authority come from those words. The kind that humiliates and executes.
            >99% of people will find their happiness reproducing with a member of the opposite sex and raising children
            Statistically wrong.
            >Even the ones who like freaky sex.
            Almost like you dont have to enforce those "norms" you were so worried about.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ohhh man, It is crazy being on the other side of this. I held your perspective most of my life.

            Freaky sex seems like it should be innocent... seems like it should not harm... so you think "remove the shame and there will truly be no harm."

            But you must think of what human society looks like when there is no shame. Not what it is today, with YOUR particular list of shames removed. I mean, imagine all shame being removed. And please notice that libertines leave a destructive course of STDs, unwanted children and mangled relationships in their wake.

            Can I just jerk off in public? Can I suddenly take our my fetishes on unsuspecting partners? Is incest wrong or not? Can I hump your leg suddenly while having lunch with you as a friend and colleague?

            We must have norms, we must have restraints, we must have shame, I am sorry, libertinism is a force of literal anarchy, destruction, death and misery.

            One kind of sexuality (NOT sex) is permitted: the one which leads to birth. Sex is not a toy. Our genitals belong to nature or God.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I held your perspective most of my life.
            And you'll eventually return to it. I remember my trad phase.
            >Freaky sex seems like it should be innocent... seems like it should not harm... so you think "remove the shame and there will truly be no harm."
            You think so? Interesting...
            And funny how we have moved into "shame" rather than the words you used before.
            I notice every time you try to explain you back away from "necessity" and move toward just pressure and suggestion.
            When my point from the beginning is that what you espoused is a method of control and enforcement.
            As history has shown.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not an either or. The thing we can do, after the sexual revolution, Freud, Kinsey etc., is acknowledge the universality of perversion.That is how you cool the shaming and the harshness of the norm. Human sexuality is not a simple thing, it unfolds with unrelenting subtelty into myriad circumstances. All those may be taken into account. Sexual desire originates outside the will.

            Sexual self control requires wisdom, knowledge and practice, IE true sex ed... not a government harm reduction campaign divorced of cultural basis.

            There is no shame in homosexual desire, for example, and often none in the act. The shame is what could have been.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's not an either or.
            Great. So why keep the enforcement and control as you did in your very first post? You say it isnt either or, so lets make the choice to not have the systems that only are built to keep those at the top in their position?

            How do you know human society is a human invention? Because your universe is material and everything comes from dirt and atoms ultimately? I don't live in that world, senpai.

            >How do you know human society is a human invention?
            How did you, that you can separate it from nature and thus remove its ownership of our genitals?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't seem interested in talking to me, you seem interested in interpteting me as dumbly as possible, which is shamefully uncritical and blatantly self defensive. Ask hard questions. Have a nice day bye bye.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You dont have anything interesting to say. Your apologetics for those who control you are trite and unexamined.
            Cope, and run along.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am not a member of a religion idiot

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never once mentioned religion. Telling.
            And I thought you were leaving.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your apologetics for those who control you are trite and unexamined.

            Who is that? I have decided to stay a while. Go on, tell me about me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those that have established the social norms you advocate.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That is literally tautological

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those that set up the societal norms you advocate are not the societal norms you advocate.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You are controled
            > by whom?
            > you are controled by the ones who control you
            >that's tautological
            >no it isn't

            ¯_(ツ)_/¯

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >> you are controled by the ones who control you
            Ahh. Well yes. Unless you think I meant some singular person or group has been in control of all societies for all time - it will vary depending on who set it up and who is maintaining.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep the israelite just lost bc we know exactly who he meant when he said someone put the restraints in place but now he doesn’t want to say bc he already denied it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Our genitals belong to nature or God.
            And yet you keep pointing to societies and human-made conceptions of norms and rules.
            Nature has zero issue with the things you call detrimental. It's why I find it hilarious that you would ever suggest that sex is innocent.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How do you know human society is a human invention? Because your universe is material and everything comes from dirt and atoms ultimately? I don't live in that world, senpai.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You got that backwards. It is typically elites that are libertine and deviant while subjects shackle them with values. Conservative values have been a tool for the working class. Victorian elites are the only upper class I can think of that had strict morals.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Correct. Here is John Wilmot, Earl of Rochester (1647-1680). He was a rich aristocrat with an estate who lived above the law and decided to devote his life to sex, gay sex and libertine poetry.

            He died of an STD at age 33. It's all fun and games until people are sick and dying or aging and life's hopes are lost. Unrestrained sex is a death force. STDs, crimes of passion, intrigue, jealous rivalries, envious revenge, abortion, infanticide, decay of the body and a retreat into a lonesome bodily existence are its inevitable consequences.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It is typically elites that are libertine and deviant while subjects shackle them with values.
            No, it is the elite shackling the lower classes. They simply do not apply the shackles to
            themselves.
            Rules for thee, not for me.
            >Victorian elites are the only upper class I can think of that had strict morals.
            Victorians were not nearly as prudish as popular media likes to present.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did elites spend so much resources and effort hiding their degeneracy from the masses and was a constant threat to be exposed by a counter elite?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >so much
            A trivial amount.
            >hiding their degeneracy
            Because the facade of maintaining what you impose on others is important.
            >threat to be exposed
            Threat to be exposed means the activity was taking place and so your argument of the nobility at that time having strict morals is wrong.
            SOCIETY had strict morals - which again is NOT true - and the nobility have the resources and influence to circumvent them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are a cagey idiot. I didn’t say a time. I’m talking about Victorians. I only mention Victorians bc they are the only exception to my original statement.

            Yes I agree elites don’t follow rules. That was my statement. My position is it’s the lower class that actual sets and follows norms. Elites are bound to them or lose legitimacy.

            Counter elites have always held other elites hostage with their degenerate actions. I say this is bc the working class is enforcing the norms you say they flaunt norms but still preach them and hide their breaking of them / use them against each other for what?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I’m not talking about Victorians.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I only mention Victorians bc they are the only exception to my original statement.
            But they arent. It's fine if you want to drop your example because it is a bad one.
            >Elites are bound to them or lose legitimacy.
            >Yes I agree elites don’t follow rules.
            Choose one.
            >you say they flaunt norms
            no I didnt. NOt once have I said or implied the idea of flaunting.
            I said they impose the mores of society to maintain control.
            You are arguing against a strawman.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Still an idiot. Elites don’t follow rules isn’t incongruous with being bound by them. It’s why they hide their degeneracy.

            Moving on you still haven’t answered why they are bound to rules they supposedly impose and ignored how they can’t push their values right now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You were wrong about me saying the elites flaunted things.
            You are wrong that being bound means you can NOT be bound.
            And all of this is beside the point that you have never addressed which is that this was set up and is maintained by the mores the elites put in place.
            Put your thesaurus down and go read some history.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You are a cagey idiot. I didn’t say a time. I’m talking about Victorians. I only mention Victorians bc they are the only exception to my original statement.

            Yes I agree elites don’t follow rules. That was my statement. My position is it’s the lower class that actual sets and follows norms. Elites are bound to them or lose legitimacy.

            Counter elites have always held other elites hostage with their degenerate actions. I say this is bc the working class is enforcing the norms you say they flaunt norms but still preach them and hide their breaking of them / use them against each other for what?

            I can simplify this, why do politician hide their affairs and drug use? The other elites are doing it to so who does it matter to?

            Am I going to have a better life if I work out, eat well, marry 1 woman and stay with her, work hard or if I sleep around and do drugs? Why would elites care that I had a better life?

            In modern USA there is a major fractioning and cultural upheaval bc the elite culture is being forced on the masses. How is that going? Why would they have to work so hard if culture gets installed by them from the top down?

            Who believes in meritocracy, color blindness, monogamy, and free speech? The elite or the working class?

            Who believes in equity, privilege, feminism, globalism, and censorship? Why would the elite have such a hard time imposing these values in the working class of culture and norms came from them?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But pre-Internet The History Channel was actually about history, mostly war stuff, not the bullshit 'Ancient Aliens' and random reality show channel it is now. Funny how we forget.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was one program years before Ancient Aliens that ran on either History or Discovery and dealt with UFO encounters

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was one program years before Ancient Aliens that ran on either History or Discovery and dealt with UFO encounters

          It was in books back then.
          These in particular were the intro for most people.
          Later adapted into a tv movie In Search of Ancient Astronauts.
          All the Ancient Aliens stuff was just retreading or adding onto this work.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My dad gave me one of those books, and it ended up with me studying Sumero-Akkadian cuneiform for like twenty years.
            Daniken and Sitchin are liars

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit you studied cuneiform? Wow! How do you get to do that?

            Do you think Mesopotamian writing is the foundation of all Eurasian alphabetic writing systems? Do you think it related to Chinese at all or they are independent?

            My impression is that writing has been discovered a handful of times and all modern writing descends from two sources (three including the Olmec/Maya). Do you agree?

            Oh, and is cuneiform intelligible across all of Babylonian history? Like, it covers 1000 years it seems, can any cuneiform scholar readily interpret anything from that corpus or are there varieties and evolutions?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My impression is that writing has been discovered a handful of times and all modern writing descends from two sources
            Not him but nah. You could easily google that sort of shit.
            For starters you have your shit from the Middle East like the Sumerians or whoever. Then you have your mesoamerican shit. Then you have your northern European runes and shit. And then Egyptian heiroglyphs are different again. And that's without even getting into Asia.

            >Don't be led astray by your testicles.
            Dont be brainwashed by those who want to remain in control of you.
            >What kind of family would you want to grow up in?
            A loving one that desires all in it are nurtured and supported.
            Others have told you that is only p[ossible one way, and then punish you if you point out that the way they demand does not end in what I described even half the time.
            >It should be persuasion.
            Persuasion isnt done with the words "necessity" and "norms". Enforcement and authority come from those words. The kind that humiliates and executes.
            >99% of people will find their happiness reproducing with a member of the opposite sex and raising children
            Statistically wrong.
            >Even the ones who like freaky sex.
            Almost like you dont have to enforce those "norms" you were so worried about.

            Holy shit! Who let all this sanity and fresh air in here?

            Ohhh man, It is crazy being on the other side of this. I held your perspective most of my life.

            Freaky sex seems like it should be innocent... seems like it should not harm... so you think "remove the shame and there will truly be no harm."

            But you must think of what human society looks like when there is no shame. Not what it is today, with YOUR particular list of shames removed. I mean, imagine all shame being removed. And please notice that libertines leave a destructive course of STDs, unwanted children and mangled relationships in their wake.

            Can I just jerk off in public? Can I suddenly take our my fetishes on unsuspecting partners? Is incest wrong or not? Can I hump your leg suddenly while having lunch with you as a friend and colleague?

            We must have norms, we must have restraints, we must have shame, I am sorry, libertinism is a force of literal anarchy, destruction, death and misery.

            One kind of sexuality (NOT sex) is permitted: the one which leads to birth. Sex is not a toy. Our genitals belong to nature or God.

            >Our genitals belong to nature or God.
            Holy Christcuck wiener-cage, Batman!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Mesopotamian Cuneiform almost certainly developed in tandem with close cultural contact, so that counts as one.

            Some people include China as a more distant member of that group too, but most regard its development of writing as independent.

            Mesoamerica is usually counted as the third major center, but the Andes had quipu proto-writing or pseudo-writing and the Yupik has pictographs. There are also oral traditions that the Cahokians had writing on perishable material that was lost with their dispersion

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Great questions, thanks for the interest!

            >Holy shit you studied cuneiform? Wow! How do you get to do that?

            Thirsty years ago it would’ve been mostly impossible without attending one of the handful of big schools with Assyriology programs - Chicago, Berkeley, Pennsylvania, etc. These days, you can find an enormous amount of resources online. I got provisionally admitted to a university but then dropped out because I couldn’t afford it, so it’s mostly just been amateur research in my spare time.

            >Do you think Mesopotamian writing is the foundation of all Eurasian alphabetic writing systems?
            Directly, no, but cuneiform languages did have a huge influence on Semtitic languages (Aramaic, Arabic, Hebrew, etc), and the very first alphabet did use cuneiform for their letters - that was Ugaritic, an Hurrian language in modern Syria, and it probably had a degree of influence on the later development of the Phoenician alphabet, although that’s debatble. Most people say that Phoenician was derived from the Egyptian Proto-Sinaitic script that replaced Hieroglyphs, but there’s a lot of evidence that both sources were influential. That evidence just goes ignored because Ugaritic is poorly-studied.

            >Do you think it related to Chinese at all or they are independent?

            It’s hard to say. There have been proposals that Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Sumerian Cuneiform, and chines were all related in their development. Sinologists adamantly refuse the connection, and Sumerologists have mostly disregarded it because the language families are so distant, but we’re always more hesitant to say for sure because Sumerian’s relationship to other language groups is completely unknown.

            I’d say evidence that supports the idea of mutually-inspired development is that we now know for a fact that there was cultutal contact and limited trade exchange between the southwestern asia and east asia going back to at least 5000 BC, but intensifying in the third millennium.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, great post man, thank you. This gives me a nice window. Do you have a book on the subject you might recommend for a general reader?

            I had no idea Egyptian heiroglyphics were independent of Summerian, and I did not know the history of the origins of the Phoenecian alphabet. I would love to get a better handle on theses pre bronze age collapse writing systems and how they related.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I had no idea Egyptian heiroglyphics were independent of Sumerian
            yeah there’s actually been a lot of arguing about it, but I lean towards independent invention that was then obscured by close contact and mutual influence.
            It used to be mostly agreed upon that Sumerian proto-writing was older and that Egyptian showed up very suddenly, so Assyriologists thought that cuneiform must have influenced hieroglyphics, but in the late 90s they found much older proto-hieroglyphs at Abydos in Egypt, ~mid 4th millennium, supporting that both systems might’ve been independent inventions: https://archive.archaeology.org/9903/newsbriefs/egypt.html

            As for a book recommendation, do you want one for Egypt-Mesopotamia relations, the development of writing, or just a general intro to the ancient near east?

            unfortunately most Assyriology books are pretty academic and dense, but I should be able to find some good ones, I’ll look through my pdfs

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am interested in writing because I find its origins very mysterious and because it has had such a profound impact on human life and experience. A book on writing and the interrelations between the early writing systems would be wonderful. I am also curious about theories of the origin of writing. My theory is that writing comes out of the phonetic association of a named motif pattern with a geometrical motif shape.

            I am also interested in the ANE as a student of Abrahamic religions and a general reader. I have a hard time keeping my Assyrians, Sumerians and Babylonians seperate, in my mind it is just "ultra ancient Mesopotamia->???->Cyrus->???->Islam." So a kind of mile-high history from ~2500 BCE to the first century or so would be a great read.

            If you know of anything. Greatly appreciate your long explanations, this is like 19th century scholarship man, I love it, I love that deep, good, old-school learning.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > I have a hard time keeping my Assyrians, Sumerians and Babylonians seperate
            Don’t worry, you’re not alone in this! Their history covers a truly vast amount of time; The Sumerians were more ancient to the late Neo-Assyrians than the Hellenistic/Greco-Roman period is to us.

            Around 600 BC, they actually started building museums full of ancient Sumerian artifacts, which for them were already 3000 years old, and they even attempted archaeological excavations and reconstructions.

            >So a kind of mile-high history from ~2500 BCE to the first century or so would be a great read.
            The best “big picture” introduction I can think of is Mario Liverani’s “The Ancient Near East: History, Society and Economy,” it’s both comprehensive and readable. But he starts quite a bit earlier, beginning with the Neolithic, so a better fit for the period you’re asking about is:
            “A History of the Ancient Near East: ca. 3000-323 BC” by Marc Van De Mieroop
            That one’s a bit technical, but it would still be a great introduction because he doesn’t info-dump too much.

            For shorter summaries of each of the primary Mesopotamian cultures, I’d recommend:
            Harriet Crawford, “Sumer and the Sumerians”
            Trevor Bryce, “Babylonia: A Very Short Introduction”, and
            Karen Radner, “Assyria: A Very Short Introduction”

            My favorite book to hand to people who aren’t familiar with the field is Karen Rhea Nemet-Nejat’s “Daily Life in Ancient Mesopotamia,” but it’s not narrative history, it’s more of a casual reference text that you can flip through catalogue-style.

            But if you’re only going to read one book, I’d make it Liverani’s. He’s brilliant.

            Anyways I have some recommendations for the development of writing and on Egypt-Mesopotamian interactions, but I’m gonna have to look through those a bit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            oh and I wanted to say:
            >Greatly appreciate your long explanations,
            I appreciate the interest! Most people act like I’m insane if I start talking about learning languages that have been dead for millennia.

            >this is like 19th century scholarship man,
            it’s funny you say that, because Assyriology is probably one of the only academic disciplines in the humanities that still regularly cites and engages with work published in the 19th century. Most fields, if something is from the 1990s it’s now wildly out of date, but some folks in cuneiform studies are still working through discoveries published in the 1890s!

            There are still tens of thousands of texts that haven’t even been translated, maybe hundreds of thousands considering all the undocumented black market excavations that took over Iraq after the Gulf War and then the US invasion

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            (cont),Where cultures meet, languages do to.

            >My impression is that writing has been discovered a handful of times and all modern writing descends from two sources (three including the Olmec/Maya). Do you agree?

            It’s heavily debated. Some people say there are three major written language centers by including east asia, but some do agree with you that there were just two main ones: Mesoamerica and Mesopotamia. Others say maybe 4 or 5.

            I think it’s complicated by the discovery of “Proto-writing” systems in deep antiquity, especially up in the central asian steppes and eastern europe. Also rapa nui in the pacific, maybe. But it’s probable that these were just minor regional developments and that they never caught on, so focusing on the major centers is justifiable.

            >Oh, and is cuneiform intelligible across all of Babylonian history? Like, it covers 1000 years it seems, can any cuneiform scholar readily interpret anything from that corpus or are there varieties and evolutions.

            Broadly, yes, Sumero-Akkadian was mutually intelligence across most of its history, more like 2500 years, covering late Sumer (Early Dynastic, Ur III, Sargonic/Akkadian period, Gutian era).
            Pure Sumerian from the 4th-3rd millennium was extinct as a spoken language by the end of the third millennium, but it was still widely understood by scholars for hundreds of years after. Earlier Proto-Sumerian may have been legible then, but for the most part we can’t read it so it’s hard to say. Basically pictographs.

            Anyways, after the Sargonic dynasty, everyone started speaking a Semitic language, Akkadian, and Sumerian cuneiform was partially adapted to write Akkadian as well, but with a lot of directly borrowed “Sumerograms”, ideograms that were used just to write sumerian words as ideograms in Akkadian Kinda like Kanji, if you’re familiar.
            (to be cont.)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Broadly, yes, Sumero-Akkadian was mutually intelligence across most of its history, more like 2500 years, covering late Sumer (Early Dynastic, Ur III, Sargonic/Akkadian period, Gutian era).
            Pure Sumerian from the 4th-3rd millennium was extinct as a spoken language by the end of the third millennium, but it was still widely understood by scholars for hundreds of years after. Earlier Proto-Sumerian may have been legible then, but for the most part we can’t read it so it’s hard to say. Basically pictographs.

            Anyways, after the Sargonic dynasty, everyone started speaking a Semitic language, Akkadian, and Sumerian cuneiform was partially adapted to write Akkadian as well, but with a lot of directly borrowed “Sumerograms”, ideograms that were used just to write sumerian words as single signs in Akkadian.
            Kinda like Kanji, if you’re familiar.

            So by that point the written language was “Sumero-Akkadian,” and it diverged into two main dialects, Old Babylonian and Old Assyrian, each mutually intelligible but with some differences. This was about 2000-1500 BC, with most of the classics of cuneiform literature coming from this point. The script also became used to write a lot of other languages all across the region, from Iran to Turkey and the east mediterranean, with various degrees of modification.
            In later centuries it became sort of a lingua franca for trade and diplomacy - see the Amarna letters.

            By the time we get to the 1st millennium BC, Neo-Assyrian is the predominant form of cuneiform, and it’s got heavily abbreviated characters with some major changes and the Sumerian influence started declining, but a well educated Akkadian scribe could still read older 2nd millennium stuff. a few Assyrian kings bragged about having learned to read classic Sumerian, which was a legit scholastic achievement at that point.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think Nabonidus was one of the last kings to claim to have been able to read Sumerian, but Akkadian cuneiform continued to be used by specialistis well into the Persian period, only finally disappearing in the late 1st millennium.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sumero-Akkadian was mutually intelligence
            intelligible*

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>My impression is that writing has been discovered a handful of times and all modern writing descends from two sources (three including the Olmec/Maya). Do you agree?
            >It’s heavily debated. Some people say there are three major written language centers by including east asia, but some do agree with you that there were just two main ones: Mesoamerica and Mesopotamia. Others say maybe 4 or 5.

            goddamnit I misread all that lmao
            I’’m sorry I wrote all this heavily sedated
            and bungled some of it by copy/paste errors for character limit

            and sorry for rambling on so much, I just liked the questions and the sedatives made me much more talkative/typative than usual. rare to hear actual interest in cuneiform on here, it’s mostly superficial window-dressing for the ishtar cultists and the ancient aliens people

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            goddamnit i meant to not bump for the annoying posts i fricked this lol
            mods pls ban for failpost

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>My impression is that writing has been discovered a handful of times and all modern writing descends from two sources (three including the Olmec/Maya). Do you agree?
            >It’s heavily debated. Some people say there are three major written language centers by including east asia, but some do agree with you that there were just two main ones: Mesoamerica and Mesopotamia. Others say maybe 4 or 5.

            goddamnit I misread all that lmao
            I’’m sorry I wrote all this heavily sedated
            and bungled some of it by copy/paste errors for character limit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like, it covers 1000 years it seems, can any cuneiform scholar readily interpret anything from that corpus or are there varieties and evolutions?

            So yeah, to summarize all that above, we’ve got:

            • Classical Sumerian alive for about a thousand years, and while we can’t read the older scripts they probably still could even towards the end; and the primary script would’ve still been widely legible for about 500 years after its decline, with specialists still capable of reading it about 1000 years after that. So 2000 years of legibility total, 1000 for the most prevalent period.

            • Sumero-Akkadian - In active use for a solid 1500-2000 years, and it was very influential on other regional written languages. Elamite, Hittite, Hurrian, and several other languages all used modified cuneiform scripts, with varying degrees of outright adoption of Akkadian loanwords and forms.

            That briefly covers the ancient situation, but for modern scholars, Neo-Assyrian Akkadian and Old Babylonian Akkadian are the most well-studied, as the published corpus for each is quite extensive.
            My impression is that many scholars will learn Akkadian primarily or start with it before moving on to a specialty, thanks to the abundant documentation and how it forms much of the core of other Semitic cuneiform languages.

            Sumerian is a lot messier, even today, although huge breakthroughs are finally being made in grammar (albeit, based on overlooked insights from the 1800s, but oh well). The fact is, there are about half a dozen major Sumerian grammars, and none of them fully agree. There’s also no authoritative Sumerian-english dictionary, although the epsd is a great start.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder what else they lie about.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon but they are just sloppy scholars. They didn't want to share a bookcover with anyone so they tried to hack it through an enormous amount of material that, frankly, no single man or pair of men or classroom of men could hope to master. They would have done themselves a huge favor by acquiring research assistants/fact checkers or focusing more.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah. That's tragic. You know, the deeper I get into academia the harder it can be to take tv science and historians seriously. It's specializations all the way up, bro.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't know if it's aliens, secret tech that could vastly benefit mankind if it was released to the public, or something else
      Personally, I think it's mostly tech, but I'm somewhat inclined to think that tech might have alien origins. There's definitely a lot of shady stuff regarding alien encounters, both of recent, and of the past.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Glowies want you to believe in shit that doesn't exist instead of looking at actual evidence of Nazi UFO tomfoolery especially because making your own anti-grav device isn't that hard.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US government has many technologies they are actively trying to cover up.

    Aliens are the biggest hoax of all time - one that the government actively perpetuated by acting like they were trying to cover that up when the real coverup was the rediscovery of an ancient technology from the hindu vedas ("vimanas") that is essentially anti-grav that a lot of americans could make in their garage.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This makes sense to me. I've seen those ancient paintings of people flying in saucers.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was more fun
    modern day people think they're smart because Wikipedia taught them surface level analysis & now you have /3/gays pretending to be a scientist

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The internet has made us all think we know way more than we do. The internet sucks. I can't wait to cut the cable. Three more months, I have a plan.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        the internet has so much information still, hopefully youre saving plenty of research. the internet is being scrubbed clean, its been in the works since the internet started and soon enough it'll be so censored itll be unrecognizable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I can tell the good stuff is not front and center. I agree the internet is rapidly being consolidated towards censorship. Is there a good forum you know of?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            been sticking around abovetopsecret.com and projectavalon.net

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We always knew it was the israelites
    >penguin outfit
    dead giveaway

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of books and cable tv programs.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a kid with cable television access and watching the x-files I guess I would always classify myself as a believer. Instead of Sunday school I had to watch the UFO documentaries with my dad. I think there were more UFO conspiracy documentaries back then than now or at least they were far more impressionable back then than anything on YouTube today. Or since I was a kid I was inherently more impressionable. The amount of people on the documentaries combined with real people that I met (WW2 veterans and pilots) left no doubt that extraterrestrials have visited this planet in the last 120 years at minimum. Going back to the topic, the information was out there but you couldn’t talk about it in public with any seriousness even as a kid.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought they were loons which is why I never watching x files... now I'm watching x files.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      enjoy

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I assumed throughout the 90s that aliens must be real on the basis of astronomical knowledge, reinforced by the discovery of exoplanets.
    I had two books that came out at the end of the century, I think published by a big magazine corp like Time or something, which summarized a bunch of paranormal events and mysteries from the 20th century, and it included a number of UFO cases that seemed very credible. Then as the internet era really took off (we had internet in the 90s, it just wasn’t mainstream yet) and the ubiquity of information made it seem like maybe all UFOs were explainable, but that has not turned out to be the case - more data of higher quality than ever before and we’re no closer to figuring it out.
    Most UFOlogy media in the 90s was extremely fringe crackpot shit, but in retrospect a lot of that was probably disinfo

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was just jerking off to Gillian Anderson

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I was just jerking off to Gillian Anderson
      Underrated post to be quite honest.

      >and then we'll do it doggy style so we can both watch X-Files.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lewd post, hidden
        get an adult sense of humor would ya
        and stoo watching porn

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funnily enough, it felt more credible back then. I was exposed to all the UFO woo merchants (although they most certainly existed), there was just my own experience of seeing a couple of UFOs, plus there was an old lady who lived on a farm on the outskirts of town who kept reporting seeing UFOs. Some locals went out there and actually caught it on VHS. Heard other tales too like her water supply cut off after seeing ayys in her field one night. The local plumber said the pipes that run out under the field had holes cut in them that looked almost like they were done by laser. Just perfect circular incisions into pipe that was buried 4ft deep, ground undisturbed. Now I think back there was an odd amount of acceptance around UFOs when I was growing up, most people in my home town have seen one.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      weird... where abouts did you grow up? Be as general as you like.

  13. 2 months ago
    King Rael (formerly King Paimon)

    Storytime!!!

    What if the Alien Species from afar is a collective hailing from other planets that the Ancient of Days abandoned?

    Are humans on the same trajectory?

    When Species from other planets focus too much on Science and only that...have they succumbed to being a Living-dead sentient race where they just wander the Galaxy having lost sight of everything.

    Mindless automata that just look for young species to Ascend to make it like they are?

    It seems that they can build physical objects like their craft but they probably can't leave the Galaxy itself and are virtually stuck....and the same would apply to species on other galaxies.

  14. 2 months ago
    Seanonymous

    More awe-inspiring but with varying levels of paranoia. It was kinda like a Christianity replacement.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I subscribe to the theory that the ayys/Overlords have attempted large scale pro-ayyy psy ops to prep the public for disclosur, along some sort of unsteady policy. Which means ET and also pushing ayys as benevolent or liberating force. Which they are not.

      You agree? Your post suggests they had more control of the narrative before.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    About the same as now.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was really into conspiracy shit in the 90s. I used to stay up late listening to Art Bell. Art was

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Art was really integral in bring many conspiracy/paranormal stuff to the public. Before the internet, you would have to go to the "paranormal/metaphysical" section of a book store, if they even had that, and buy a book.
      >"Unexplained" by Jerome Clark
      >"Unexplained Mysteries of the Twentieth Century"
      >"Cryptologist A to Z"
      >"The Philadelphia Experiment and other Conspiracies"
      These books were heavily read by me, and lots of Coast to Coast AM. C2C was also the first time I heard someone talk about how the holocaust wasn't real. It was some random caller on open-lines.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hearing Coast to Coast on the radio in like 2017 blew my mind. I wanted to say "is this a joke?" but there was so much information, so many callers, all dead serious. It should have been a clue to investigate but I shrugged it off.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Coast to Coast was solid gold. Weirdos at 2 Am raming. It was /x/ before /x/

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This.

            Post-consolidation media is a fricking wasteland of mind. So much cool stuff existed in the margins at that time. Largely pre-2000.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And don't forget mailing lists and 'zines. When everything was opt-in and you didn't have sites trying to monopolize your attention, there were more sources and they weren't homogenized.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep. Nostalgia pangs

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            God I wish I was born before 1992. I am jealous of the once quiet world.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There were multiple ufo magazines

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Conspiracy stuff was seen as actively taboo in my neck of the woods, quiet little Northern town, to the point where police would investigate you if they heard so much as a rumor about you being weird because these small town cops have nothing better to do. When it came to aliens though, they were more or less "Oh, you're one of THOSE guys, huh?"

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=31

    I think that video explains what people thought of us back then pretty well.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking back to those days, I don't think anybody realy believed in UFO's and aliens but the people who actually saw UFOs and experienced alien abduction type shit. For the average Joe, it was more of just an interest and a curiosity in the possibility of it. Not really a belief. I was that way myself at the time. Then i saw a UFO, woke up a couple of times with them around me. And now I believe in them. And there's just that uch more info out there at your fingertips. 30 years ago, you had to go to the bookstore and buy books on the subject. Now everything that is supposedly known about this shit is at your fingertips in seconds any time you want it.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly it was just clean, goofy and innocent fun. The internet took the fun away. Or rather, it gave killjoys a platform that exceeded their real-world reach or influence. But things like Twilight Zone, or Close Encounters or even early X-Files were a thinking person's spooky guilty pleasure, whereas the meatheads ran off to get their thrills from Freddy or Jason or Chucky

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fun. People were allowed to be as goofy and off-the-wall as they could be. We all had fun with it. It was light-hearted and good-natured. Of course we also acknowledged the horrific abduction stories too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the abduction stories were goofy as frick though; the anal probings especially.

      Of course, stories such as To Serve Man (TTZ) revealed darker designs ... lol

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fruitless. We watched satellites and shit. We basically knew it was fake and gay, but had dreams about we would pretend were real.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There were so many fewer satellites back then, I miss it. Less light pollution too

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    During 56k dialup internet times, my brother was in some online forum for paranormal (forgot the name, also not sure if just paranormal related )

    He got sent a huge file from someone (the nice brown paper one) by mail with print outs about every major topic (JFK, Roswell, Mothman, …) it hat notes on everything and stuff

    That was my first contact with this topic

    Man this was good times

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds cool

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    moronic people killed themselves because they thought Jesus Christ had a spaceship

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was in a rural mormon village at the turn of the century and people were losing their goddamn minds
      like 90% of them were certain jesus was about to come back and half thought that meant imminent apocalypse

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We would read books.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was kino. back then we institutionalized schizos instead of giving them unfettered internet access to shit up the community with blue beam hologram/flat earth firmament/giants in the mountains/faeries in the forest bullshit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lovely. I can say women aren't real and aliens aren't real all on the same sentence

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much like right now, except you weren't getting your stuff from the internet, but from programs on such stuff on TV, radio and books on the topic - something you can still do now.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Many things that are accepted as basic life facts now were only "tinfoil hat theories" in the 90s. People had a much firmer faith in "what is real", dismissed anything against that belief, and would label you a schizo for much tamer reasons than today. All in all, it was not a good time to talk about these things.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What was it like believing in aliens in the 90's pre-internet era?
    It was a sort of thing where based on the sheer numbers you knew damned well the ayyys were out there, pretty sure they were/are here, just no real confirmation of it so not really brought up that much.
    t.GenX

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of usage of the X-Files theme

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Innocent and goofy. Like I thought the govt was protecting us. Now I think it’s obvious aliens are demons and the govt is protecting the people who summon them.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >PRE INTERNET ERA
    >90S

    LITTLE kid detected that should get a gooooood amount of slaps on his ass.
    Frick off baby.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anybody else get Lucifer and Lilith vibes from this pic, or maybe I just forgot to take my Sunshine smile meds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that's Lucifer and Lilith then their sexual energy is more restrained than I imagined.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you were young in the 2000s, you could still catch a. glimpse of this era on the internet, like the smell of good food lingering after it's been eaten. As you probably know it gave way to paranoid dread in the post 9/11 days.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was born in 1990, I have the slightest memory of the intact world. Yet even as a child I could tell something was amiss.

      People born in 1990 have a strange trajectory in life. We began at the height of cold war victory, had a nasty shock in Middle School, couldn't get jobs graduating high school, and then... well... you know how it goes. The older I get the uglier and more evil and frail America becomes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well put. 90s and 2000s were a vibe compared though even taking into account the fricked things they did obviously with 9/11 and subsequent wars.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ?t=155

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      90s internet still carried the good ayys vibes, but yeah, post 9/11 sociopolitical climate changed everything drastically. Quite a bit of re-alignments were occurring just beneath the surface that very few were attuned to given the level of coordinated distractions being run.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People would truly treat you like a leper at times. It was kinda fricked. It definitely taught me a lot though about while being aware of how I'm perceived not giv8ng a frick if something is true.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    much more was open to interpretation due to lack of information thus the topic had a mysterious allure to it. today not so much. there are so many vastly different concepts about what aliens even are that one is intellectually more satisfied after researching those various concepts but its more mundane and more a matter of entertainment.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's worth considering two additional facets of 90s UFO culture:

    The publication of Apocalypse Culture had a major cultural impact. Like the old cliche about the Velvet Underground, it seems that a large number of people who read Apocalypse Culture ended up working in media. I'm not sure the X-Files would have had the same tone without it but you can also find traces of it in many other films, shows, books, comics, etc.

    The 90s were also coming after a push for more unified UFO theory in the late 70s and into the 80s. There had already been friction between the extraterrestrial theories and the ultraterrestrial theories from guys like Keel or Vallee. But the cultural shift of the 80s had placed more emphasis on key events in the timeline (Roswell, The Philadelphia Experiment, and the Betty and Barney Hill abduction, all of which had been discussed previously but they were given more weight at the expense of other flaps, especially those that emphasized high strangeness). The MJ-12 hoax helped to establish firm timelines for many UFO government conspiracy types was well. I think it's likely that most or all of these shifts were part of a concentrated disinfo campaign. Read Messengers of Deception, The Controllers, and Saucers of the Illuminati for a little more on why I view this cultural shift as disinfo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Excellent post, thanks for the overview

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  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    before the internet there were a ton of hoaxes and scams and tall stories. would need a trip to the library or police records to confirm. every birthday or get together would have someone tell some unbelievable story that happened to a friend of a cousin. back when pub quizzes without cellphones or wikipedia were still possible. one small town would have some psycho put razor blades in an halloween apple, start a chain letter, and soon all soccer moms were taking as true that all candy may be laced with LSD. local manias.
    so if interested in aliens you waited for one of these unverifiable stories about aliens. someone would tell about their sister once smoking weed in the desert and watching a disc slowly fly over. maybe they even got a visit from a navy suit cataloguing the event. then you find out they were just pulling your leg later on to get in your pants.
    you could send some money by mail to an autist up in canada, who had recordings of astronauts burning up in space, and number stations from around the world, burned on a cd-rom.
    so imagine there is no internet talking about this stuff, and you get 700mb of astronauts yelling while some ham operator tries to adjust the signal, and you hear Lincolnshire Poacher for first time.
    and Men In Black type predictive programming.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >he doesn't know

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tightly controlled. At best there were probably some IRCs full of real believers, but like all psyops, glowgays slipped in eventually.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was a magical time. X-Files served as an aggregator for subjects people were already following just under the mainstream of social acceptability. Star Trek Next Gen captured peoples wonder, the moon landing was still believed, the earth was still round and space exploration was still viewed as a real possibility. If all else failed, SETI would get ET to phone home.

    Weekly World News was at the grocery story, crop circles in the news, New Age UFO cults were a thing, we had reruns of In Search Of which was like Ancient Aliens 1.0, Area 51 was disclosed, Art Bell.

    The only thing stopping our alien space brothers bestowing technology and longevity upon us was that the government thought the public "wasn't ready" or "couldn't handle it'. And by the public, that meant religious people. God darn it, I was ready and the public be dammed!

    The cold war had ended it it became more acceptable for us to question if our government was not exactly the benevolent parent we were taught it was.

    Fox Mulder's "I want to Believe" poster really captured the zeitgeist of the time.

    Of course we now know that NASA is a fraud, if there are "aliens", it's doubtful they flew many light years through outer space to play hide and seek and grab some cattle mutilation steaks. They are either from an adjacent dimension or along the lines of demons. I can't write the subject off as entirely a psyop as I've seen a few UAPs but whatever info we are given is highly curated to steer whatever narrative the holders of the information see fit to forward.

  44. 1 month ago
    Gwaihir

    You had to tune into AM radio late at night, or listen to CB Radio broadcasts of loons interviewing other loons while being paranoid about alphabets trying to track them down.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly, Art only had clowns or loons on. I think the number of authentic guests with authentic research and things to reveal could be counted on a single hand.

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