What is the origin of the Baphomet figure?

What is the origin of the Baphomet figure?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    European midwit

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're going to get 1000 different answers. My opinion it's Isis

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    probably some angel who saw through the hypocrisy and wanted to create a symbol for man to see it for themselves

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dab on them homiez

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well lets look at the symbols
    man, beast, male, female, night, day, above, below. Its not objectively an evil symbol but a symbol of cosmic balance.

    • 2 months ago
      Anon musk

      It IS a symbol of evil, it show day and night being together
      Symbolizing that Light need Darkness, but God is light and does not need darkness
      We can also see the burring fire on his head, now-a-days-marons use pinecone instead, which is a symbol of the penial gland and the third eye
      It also got the 2 snaked on the rod, witch is NOT a symbol of healing or caduceus

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sigh.

        Life is about balance. Thinking that life is all about light is the most braindead and brainrot concept ever concieved by man.

        A man who has not managed to achieve balance and realize that he himself is both god and the devil, light and the dark, good and evil is nothing else but a fool.

        You are fooling yourself and if you don't realize this you will be reincarnated after this life until your soul realizes this.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          GET BEHIND ME SATAN

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >asking Satan for backup

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The "antagonist" has your back Ina world that deifies evil, such as ours. We're on the precipice of the era where black and white unite in a Satanic Christianity to eliminate the soulless grey of the ~~*Anti-Christ*~~.
            >Hint: It's always in their dead, lifeless eyes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but God is light and does not need darkness

        Tell me you don't know anything about your own religion without telling me you don't know anything about your own religion.

        Isaiah 45:7 :

        I form the light and create darkness,
        I bring prosperity and create disaster;
        I, the Lord, do all these things.

        1 Samuel 15:1-3 (ESV):

        "And Samuel said to Saul, 'The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts, "I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."'

        Exodus 12:29, (NIV):

        "At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well."

        Exodus 20:5, (NIV):

        "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The drawing of Baphomet you're thinking of was drawn by Eliphas Levi in the late 1800s and the original accusations against the Templars don't have those dualistic aspects or specify what "Bahomet" is.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(god)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faunus
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyr

    It really is sad what the israelites did to you guys. Romans and Greeks forgot their own history.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      excuse me sir, that was the italians.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      frickinmg hell that Pan is a goat fricker, this is some sick stuff

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're a fricking idiot. Baphomet predates greece and rome. Hur durrr I'm da smort 1 here guys!

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now you guys literally worship twinks from space.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the unironic answer:

    Groups of people who wanted to revive Orphism (an offshoot of the Dionysian religious sects) through worship of Phanes, who was viewed as the Primordial Dionysus and Divine Androgyn.

    The Greeks when they conquered Ptolemaic Egypt sycnretized their deities with Egyptian deities (Set and Typhon, Hermes and Thoth, etc,) and likely syncretized Banebdjebet, the Goat of Mendes, with Phanes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phanes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banebdjedet

    Although "Banebdjebet" is described as a Ram god, the Greeks had a bad habit of misinterpreting the animals (for instance, thinking Set was a donkey god) and they interpreted Banedjebet as a goat god.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But if the Templars first made contact with this god, who was worshipping it in the Levant?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I try to keep my spiritual knowledge separate ontologically from my empirical knowledge. What I posted falls in the category of empirical knowledge.

        With that said, spiritually, I think that this entity is identical with "Iao", which is what the Greco-Egyptians worshipped when they syncretized Yahweh with Dionysus. And this deity just so happens to have the same name, "Iao", as Yamm, who seems to be a variant of the Primal Serpent of Chaos.

        There's too much missing links and missing evidence for me to say for sure there's a connection, but at least empirically, I think it's likely the case that Baphomet is a syncretized Phanes and Banedjebet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I also think the Templars were more interested in investigating Greco-Roman philosophy and tradition rather than worshipping a foreign god. The descriptions of the Rites the Greco-Romans were engaging in seem far more Greco-Roman to me than Islamic or Near Eastern.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          *The Templars were enaging in.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This rings true. The fact the Goat of Mendes was called Banebdjebet is the clincher for me.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody associated Bahomet with the goat of mendes until Levi though.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's magnum opus

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie (Dogma and Ritual of High Magic) by Éliphas Lévi. Original design in picrel comes directly from the book. You should red the Baphomet chapter, it's really insightful.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      there should be a required reading list before people post on x. imagine coming in here & not knowing eliphas levi, its like not knowing crowley.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i had a vision of baphomet once it was black and white and he looked exactly as pictured. it was a 2D image. probably images of gods and demons come from direct revelation like this, someone just draws what they see.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A spiritual being someone encountered probably.

    >t. Christian who has encountered spiritual beings.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    sexo

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read Crowley
    Holy Fool
    Masculine + Feminine
    Combination of opposites
    Alchemy

  14. 2 months ago
    ass kisser wisdom Fox

    hebrew Heiroglyph for goat is same as demon...
    look it up
    he is evil by night &she is good by day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hebrew Heiroglyph for goat is same as demon...
      can you elaborate?

  15. 2 months ago
    Light Binder

    >Man is created in the image of God
    Humans made it. Keeping a shabbat is good for spiritual health. Especially if you are having fun like young goats do.

    • 2 months ago
      Anon

      >Edgy
      Release the shadows !!!

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Baphomet was a chimeric hybrid demonic servitor formed by the Templars, not from scratch, but through the transmutation and rededication of something they found, which was connected by them to a collection of related spiritual energies. This created an “egregore”: a “thought form” made from the combined imaginations and mental energies of a group of people that came to life and took on a will of its own. This egregore was then added to over the centuries by individuals and groups claiming to be perpetuating the mythos of the Templars: Freemasons, Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley, and Anton LaVey (creator of the Church of Satan).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but through the transmutation and rededication of something they found
      what was it they found?

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Very good rundown:

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Name
    Atbash Cipher for the Hebrew form of "Sophia" that Templars used to cover for worshipping Mary Magdalene as Goddess incarnate who was the Hieros Gamos pairing with Jesus the Christ
    >Image
    Eliphas Levi being an edgelord homosexual in how he illustrated the unity of opposites/Hieros Gamos that is necessary to overcome the duality prison of the material world

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it points to the Fertility Twins, Apollo and Artemis
      >also throws in Abraxas
      This anon gets it. Jesus and Mary's marriage is the symbol of Baphomet. Holy Fool = union of "opposites" (more like compliments the more you learn). Baphomet is the realized Saklas is the Godhead.
      It's not physical and the trannies today have profaned the depiction by cutting off kids' dicks.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Answer is pretty easy, just takes getting over your petty egos and resentments. Most people would rather go to Hell than do that...

    • 2 months ago
      Inversion

      Using the Meru foundation matrix, Eliphas Levi in ancient hebrew give :
      > אליפאס לוי
      >אל
      E - L= God - teach
      >יפ
      I - P = Hand / Will - Mouth / Engulf
      > אס
      HA - S = Balance - Support
      > לוי
      LE-V-I = Show / Teach - spine / multiply - hand / will

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Baphomet arms are fun

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do things even have origins? This reality was most likely created with Walmart already in it. I can verify there was a brief period where there wasn't any internet, but the internet was likely created for us to witness and it wasn't a coincidence that it happened. So, the statue is just gods lore I guess. He made some stuff basically, yeah. This does all seem to be true which is significant because he's also made it seem as if humans did this. It's like a huge lie lol. The purpose? That depends if you're real. If I'm the only real one, the purpose was definitely sexual torture lol. That was fricking horrific. It's material torture basically because God is omnipotent and does actually care lol. He cares enough to torture us for some reason. And it's not like he couldn't make it good, he's made it badly on purpose. So, we have a God who created religion like Baphomet and also pornography. God made a ton of pornography. He even shows us he's controlling the people in some of these videos, if you ever go looking for that you'll probably find it with the number 666. And yeah really, that's it. At that point, what do you do? God has made millions of porn videos lol. So, for a guy like me who has never had sex, what am I suppose to think lmao. What the frick is he doing here to me xD. Like, he's actually omnipotent bro and he's actually made millions of porn videos. Like all that fricking weird porn where people do crazy shit. They aren't real people buddy. Or maybe some of them are, but many of them aren't. I'm not sure why I keep writing it out over and over, nobody ever seems to notice it's weird that God is making shit like that. And Bud? I love shit like that. I fricking love watching porn and, I'm so happy he's made that for me to watch and jerk off to. That's so fricking cool because before this, I was not doing that. And Bud? This is just a straight upgrade. Something is better than nothing. And you know what else bud? Bud? Are you still with me here?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've often thought: "there can't be anything in creation that is so abysmal that even God despises it, and if there was God wouldn't manifest it."
      However I have found that this is in fact not the case. There is indeed Evil that God casts out of the garden, and what does God do but slay that Evil himself.
      One of the great deceptions is separation.
      Who's hands do you think God will use?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well we do know one thing, it goes way back. And we know now who the Templars got it from.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the only post close to the truth but still moronic
      Baphomet is a bastardization of the name Mahomet, being the guy you probably better know as "Muhammad". He had a lot of retranscription of his name. Baphemetou, Magometus and other similar terms are references in accusations and sometimes forced confessions by the inquisition

      Muslims back then were called Mahometans, as the Crusaders believed that Muhammad was worshipped as a God of a pagan pantheon.
      When Philippe Le Bel realized that the Templars were becoming richer than him, accusations of them being mudslimes due to their long standing with them.
      Any accusation of gnosticism is basically what the catholics did when they wanted to accuse a group of being heretical.
      You guys are falling for 700 year old propaganda, morons.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Crowley covers the topic pretty explicitly in I believe it was The Book of Thoth. It's really not complicated. See

        >it points to the Fertility Twins, Apollo and Artemis
        >also throws in Abraxas
        This anon gets it. Jesus and Mary's marriage is the symbol of Baphomet. Holy Fool = union of "opposites" (more like compliments the more you learn). Baphomet is the realized Saklas is the Godhead.
        It's not physical and the trannies today have profaned the depiction by cutting off kids' dicks.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or was it Book of the Law? Maybe I'm not sure now.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crowley was a good fiction writer and this affirmation has no basis in history. You can connect any three dots to form a triangle.

          I know that the story of Richard Lionheart's scorned boyfriend slandering a bunch of quasi-jews is less sensational but that's all it was. French royalty always had a (real, actual) history of oneupmanship with its nobility and templars were basically their own (rich) nation of aristocrats within a nation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You invoking Templars in this conversation is meaningless. The "Baphomet" symbolism is far more recent than you seem to indicate. You're not really convincing me it was older. Even then, this conveys to me that Crowley gave a more modern description of the older idea; fictionalizing his work out of preference, undermining his insight, doesn't seem very apt to me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The "Baphomet" symbolism is far more recent than you seem to indicate.

            Baphomet literally meant Muhammad (initially) and was then used by Philippe le Bel a propaganda term to discredit templars.
            https://www.britannica.com/topic/Baphomet
            Most of the primary sources are in french but you can look for logs of the 1310 trial in of April. It's all there, them confessing to worshipping some kind of fricker that would give them wealth. You can easily guess why pleading the 5th or not guilty wasn't really an option.

            Crowley made good fanfiction out of it, but there is absolutely no basis of it having been nothing more than a term made up by the inquisition to explain how templar were secret muslims. This is Obama birther-tier t

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >oops didn't finish my post
            type of shit.
            There are more pure gnostic beliefs than made up fan fiction material with no credible roots. It would be as pathetic as morons worshipping Khorne, Slaneesh and Tzeentch 400 years later because they found some Warhammer books. Mystique has a pedigree, otherwise it's just larp like

            Baphomet was a chimeric hybrid demonic servitor formed by the Templars, not from scratch, but through the transmutation and rededication of something they found, which was connected by them to a collection of related spiritual energies. This created an “egregore”: a “thought form” made from the combined imaginations and mental energies of a group of people that came to life and took on a will of its own. This egregore was then added to over the centuries by individuals and groups claiming to be perpetuating the mythos of the Templars: Freemasons, Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley, and Anton LaVey (creator of the Church of Satan).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just because the Templars were (potentially) falsely accused of worshipped a so-called Baphomet entity does not mean there wasn't a real cult.

        The reality is that the Middle East is a region with many cults. You can see that today with the Alawites, Druze, Yezidis, to just name a few. During the time of the Crusades, the region was not even majority Islamic, so there is a strong likelihood of even more strange and secretive cults surviving in the area at this time. It is not unreasonable to think that the Templars may have made contact with some occult society and become followers of this esoteric path. The question is, which society might that have been?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just because an accusation was mustered doesn't mean there was shit. To sum up things again, there was a french king that was sweating spinal fluid because of his debts, and templars had money, power, and religious legitimacy. All three things a French kingdom did NOT frick with, since they believed themselves to be an important power in europe and to quote every fricking frenchman living even today, France is the eldest daughter of the catholic church. A now foreign group of holier-than-thou quasi-lebanese were not only a threat but a promise of easy riches.
          >druzes and shit
          A lot of the middle eastern religions you mention survived by either literally paying their muslim conquerors or acting as if those were syncretism that always existed, or even were counting on secular ignorance to carry on in their own countries, especially if it benefitted the the religious leaders in the area. The Templar came in, fricked he arabs up and did their own thing. They did not need to become muslims or look like them in any way and didn't look like them initially. And even then they lost huge parts of their flock. Templars barely flinched because they were fricking everyone up in the region and when they realized they couldn't, they left. So yeah, sure, they did change during those 200 years, but not to the point where they worshipped a made up Satan. If only the fricker was called something credible like Ibliss it would make sense.

          He equates Baphomet to Saklas, anon. You're not really convincing me here and it feels like you don't actually understand it instead. You keep talking about shit israelites, muslims and other exoteric groups thought or said about it. I'm not really in to that. I want to see the pattern underneath and I, again, think Crowley conveyed that appropriately. I think the topics you keep bringing up are profaning this idea.
          [...]
          >which society might that have been?
          It seems they were called the Kaloo. Since we can expect the stories of the Essenes were largely some measure of propaganda by the very same people, we should expect that the people seem to claim taught them are the same people that the Templars claim to have discovered.
          Do you have guesses?

          I'm not trying to convince you as much as trying to prove that your point makes no sense. Someone gives you boobs and a goat and you see Apollo and Artemis. This isn't Samael. This isn't something grossly built from a gnostic construct. This is just a pile of scary shit built over 200 years with every shitty symbolism that is in the book. It's funny how all monsters have scales, smooth skin, horns and feathers from Huitzilipochtli to Giger's Aliens. 3 dots, triangle.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just because an accusation was mustered doesn't mean there was shit. To sum up things again, there was a french king that was sweating spinal fluid because of his debts, and templars had money, power, and religious legitimacy. All three things a French kingdom did NOT frick with, since they believed themselves to be an important power in europe and to quote every fricking frenchman living even today, France is the eldest daughter of the catholic church. A now foreign group of holier-than-thou quasi-lebanese were not only a threat but a promise of easy riches.
            many of the accusations seem credible. It's not hard to imagine these 'quasi-lebanese' picked up some very deviant religious beliefs while living the Middle East.

            >So yeah, sure, they did change during those 200 years, but not to the point where they worshipped a made up Satan. If only the fricker was called something credible like Ibliss it would make sense
            You're not addressing the sheer ignorance of the Europeans. They believed Muslims worshipped a god called Termagant. Hell, it's possible that this actually WAS a god that was worshipped in the region at the time. We know that the Yazidis worship a satan-like peawiener angel. We also know that the Templars put Abraxas on their seal. We do not know what kind of cults and secret societies they may have encountered. It's an illusion to imagine the region as either Christian or Muslim, as this is a bias toward the ruling elite and there may have been great diversity in religious belief amongst the non-elite population, especially considering the fact that Islam had not yet managed to establish itself as the dominant religion in the area and force others to converge with mainstream Islamic belief

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Great post and points.
            >Islam had not yet managed to establish itself as the dominant religion in the area and force others to converge with mainstream Islamic belief
            About this, even in areas of the world where Islam is, on paper, monolithic you still get weird heterodox practices popping up. There's a lot of witchcraft in Morocco and the southeast asian Muslim majority countries and in the subcontinent the Deobandis (not all the them but a lot, including their founder) have odd quasi-magical practices that are certainly outside the bounds of orthodox Sunni Islam. It was and is the same for Christianity, Carlos Ginsburg has written about astral projecting witch cults in premodern Italy and in a country as solidly Catholic as modern Mexico you still have cults like Santa Muerte that the Church officially condemns. The maintenance of orthodoxy is a continual project that's never perfected, not in normal historical time at least. Syncretism and innovation will pop back up no matter what.

            Also an over defensive point maybe but israelites and Christians weren't forced to convert and in practice not even the Zoroastrians, pagan Harranians, or Hindus were. Technically religions that aren't People of the Book are supposed to either convert or die but historically the category of People of the Book was expanded to be more practical in the governing of huge extremely heterogeneous empires. But jizyah (which wasn't a colossal tax btw) and status had a lot more to do with the conversion of the Mideast and North Africa than putting people to the sword did and there was also more recognizable missionary proselytizition and spread of Islam along trade routes, especially in southeast asia.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >poor french need money
            >quasi sandBlack folk are accused
            >make made up gods to make it seem legit
            why are we disagreeing again

            Great post and points.
            >Islam had not yet managed to establish itself as the dominant religion in the area and force others to converge with mainstream Islamic belief
            About this, even in areas of the world where Islam is, on paper, monolithic you still get weird heterodox practices popping up. There's a lot of witchcraft in Morocco and the southeast asian Muslim majority countries and in the subcontinent the Deobandis (not all the them but a lot, including their founder) have odd quasi-magical practices that are certainly outside the bounds of orthodox Sunni Islam. It was and is the same for Christianity, Carlos Ginsburg has written about astral projecting witch cults in premodern Italy and in a country as solidly Catholic as modern Mexico you still have cults like Santa Muerte that the Church officially condemns. The maintenance of orthodoxy is a continual project that's never perfected, not in normal historical time at least. Syncretism and innovation will pop back up no matter what.

            Also an over defensive point maybe but israelites and Christians weren't forced to convert and in practice not even the Zoroastrians, pagan Harranians, or Hindus were. Technically religions that aren't People of the Book are supposed to either convert or die but historically the category of People of the Book was expanded to be more practical in the governing of huge extremely heterogeneous empires. But jizyah (which wasn't a colossal tax btw) and status had a lot more to do with the conversion of the Mideast and North Africa than putting people to the sword did and there was also more recognizable missionary proselytizition and spread of Islam along trade routes, especially in southeast asia.

            https://i.imgur.com/GwJU0YP.jpg

            What is the origin of the Baphomet figure?

            baphomet was a made up god, that was what the thread was about. It was political manoeuvering which is, and always will be shittier than a grander desire for the reckoning of some low-tier divinity. Good, God-believing war veterans died because a literal, actual homosexual couldn't pay his gambling debts and was literally french.
            Be interested of the symbolism of how he looks super scary. H.R Giger already figured it out and made it better than you will.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Catholic Church wanted said the Templars worshipped the head of Baphomet. They meant to say Mahomet, an early spelling of Mohammad. Then in the 1850s Eliphas Levi drew the Baphomet image everyone knows. The end.

            Baphomet is actually an inversion of Sophia in Hebrew. It's not a made up god

          • 2 months ago
            Inversion

            Sophia means Wisdom, so baphomet is teaching a Wisdom he was indeed teaching : Duality.

            Once again the master was pointing the Moon and the disciple watched the finger.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but BPHMT is literally an inversion
            >Hugh J. Schonfield (1901–1988), one of the scholars who worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls, argued in his book The Essene Odyssey that the word "Baphomet" was created with knowledge of the Atbash substitution cipher, which substitutes the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet for the last, the second for the second last, and so on. "Baphomet" rendered in Hebrew is בפומת (bpwmt); interpreted using Atbash, it becomes שופיא (šwpy‘, "Shofya'"), which can be interpreted as the Greek word Sophia, meaning "wisdom."

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which Crowley explicitly mentions, like I pointed out earlier, basing his explanation off of this. Are these homosexuals seriously doing a propaganda ITT?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that is such an obvious hoax only a simpleton or mormon would fall for it. it looks brand new among other obvious flaws.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's probably not in our interest to point this out to them though, right? Wouldn't it be more helpful to offer a means of discernment to the more cerebral present?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          meaning what ? I find it amusing how Christians are so afraid of their own shadow.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm asking you why you think it's a good idea to help them when, instead, we could not tell them and rather use their posting this gibberish as a means to identify who isn't worth interacting with.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ah yes, don't worry it is impossible for them to undo their programming. Red pills won't do shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We're supposed to help them, you moron. Helping each other help them is in our collective interest.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not him but maybe because coming on this board actually means that you enjoy having real conspiracy talk. Baphomet has literally no mysticism to it because it's so fricking obvious what happened, how and why for it to exist. It is honestly as moronicly obvious as why Japan is called Japan and not Nihon. A foreigner transcribing what a fricking local moron screamed at the top of their lungs once, not some kind of deep shadowy conspiracy going all the way to the creation of the Yama Kings.

            >Earliest mention of Baphomet literally speaks of a muslim war cry, probably the Shahada which muslims make sure to say before they die
            >Mentions of baphomet only become numerous when templars are accused of being too gnostic for their own good, gnosticism being used historically as a way to disparage "heretics" the same way socdems would be called out as commies in america
            >they literally get accused of being muslims because muslims were the enemy in that era
            >templars get conveniently snuffed out and their lands and gold taken
            >the end until some moron "satanist" 500 years later writes about it and some dude draws a goat with boobs in a time where everyone loved scary devil erotic fanfiction from Edgar Poe to Maupassant with a touch of Lovecraft

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My point was and is that this is just a vulgar representation and that the older iterations of what Baphomet depicts beckons to the Fertility Twins, as anon outlined. It's about the Union of Opposites/Polarities (though I say they're compliments), the Holy Fool or Sacred Child (of God). I enjoyed what Crowley said about it and intuitively it matches up with what I think Baphomet, though rather vulgar, is getting at.

            >The "Baphomet" symbolism is far more recent than you seem to indicate.

            Baphomet literally meant Muhammad (initially) and was then used by Philippe le Bel a propaganda term to discredit templars.
            https://www.britannica.com/topic/Baphomet
            Most of the primary sources are in french but you can look for logs of the 1310 trial in of April. It's all there, them confessing to worshipping some kind of fricker that would give them wealth. You can easily guess why pleading the 5th or not guilty wasn't really an option.

            Crowley made good fanfiction out of it, but there is absolutely no basis of it having been nothing more than a term made up by the inquisition to explain how templar were secret muslims. This is Obama birther-tier t

            I reiterate that Crowley's depiction seems fitting. I think you're being pedantic about what it historically means. I say Crowley did it way better and this description makes sense and it's how I see the Baphomet, even if your le history says obsession is accurate or not. It's a historical theme that is far older than anything you're talking about and it seems like Crowley tapped into that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the older iterations of what Baphomet depicts beckons to the Fertility Twins, as anon outlined
            Those weren't older iterations of baphomet, those were their own thing. They do not have a hand in Baphomet's inception and are more ad hoc claims Crowley gave to make Baphomet sound like this mystical entity. It was poorly made shit back then, it was poorly made shit when he tried to reinterpret it.

            There is a far more logical claim to make about demons and how Baphomet is a christian take on what the israeli Shedim were, aka enemies of the true believers. Inquisitors just wanted the fricker to look like an Arab Mammon.

            A sad fricking story that lead to the death of good men who just did what they thought was right by themselves and God.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He equates Baphomet to Saklas, anon. You're not really convincing me here and it feels like you don't actually understand it instead. You keep talking about shit israelites, muslims and other exoteric groups thought or said about it. I'm not really in to that. I want to see the pattern underneath and I, again, think Crowley conveyed that appropriately. I think the topics you keep bringing up are profaning this idea.

            https://i.imgur.com/VfZWNZk.jpg

            Just because the Templars were (potentially) falsely accused of worshipped a so-called Baphomet entity does not mean there wasn't a real cult.

            The reality is that the Middle East is a region with many cults. You can see that today with the Alawites, Druze, Yezidis, to just name a few. During the time of the Crusades, the region was not even majority Islamic, so there is a strong likelihood of even more strange and secretive cults surviving in the area at this time. It is not unreasonable to think that the Templars may have made contact with some occult society and become followers of this esoteric path. The question is, which society might that have been?

            >which society might that have been?
            It seems they were called the Kaloo. Since we can expect the stories of the Essenes were largely some measure of propaganda by the very same people, we should expect that the people seem to claim taught them are the same people that the Templars claim to have discovered.
            Do you have guesses?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I know your wink winking it’s the israelites. But what makes you think the Baphomet has origin with the israelites?

            I postulated it has Orphic origins.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm definitely not saying that.

            Just because an accusation was mustered doesn't mean there was shit. To sum up things again, there was a french king that was sweating spinal fluid because of his debts, and templars had money, power, and religious legitimacy. All three things a French kingdom did NOT frick with, since they believed themselves to be an important power in europe and to quote every fricking frenchman living even today, France is the eldest daughter of the catholic church. A now foreign group of holier-than-thou quasi-lebanese were not only a threat but a promise of easy riches.
            >druzes and shit
            A lot of the middle eastern religions you mention survived by either literally paying their muslim conquerors or acting as if those were syncretism that always existed, or even were counting on secular ignorance to carry on in their own countries, especially if it benefitted the the religious leaders in the area. The Templar came in, fricked he arabs up and did their own thing. They did not need to become muslims or look like them in any way and didn't look like them initially. And even then they lost huge parts of their flock. Templars barely flinched because they were fricking everyone up in the region and when they realized they couldn't, they left. So yeah, sure, they did change during those 200 years, but not to the point where they worshipped a made up Satan. If only the fricker was called something credible like Ibliss it would make sense.
            [...]
            I'm not trying to convince you as much as trying to prove that your point makes no sense. Someone gives you boobs and a goat and you see Apollo and Artemis. This isn't Samael. This isn't something grossly built from a gnostic construct. This is just a pile of scary shit built over 200 years with every shitty symbolism that is in the book. It's funny how all monsters have scales, smooth skin, horns and feathers from Huitzilipochtli to Giger's Aliens. 3 dots, triangle.

            I think you think I'm going a completely different direction with this. I see the reference to the Twins, to Abraxas and the "Gnostic" ideas as pertinent, profound and stimulating. Being right in the normalgay way isn't something I care about. It feels fitting to me, the way Crowley describes it. Your idea is boring to me. That's all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the former isn't a you btw
            but there is no accounting for taste. If people did believe in things, they could make rip offs. Others who do not believe cannot speak the conditional and have to make ripoffs. Secular mysticism bears no sense. It is an inherent lie where one has to either accept axiomatically the existence of a God that does accept mysticism (good fricking luck, pretty sure any fricking God is currently apalled and now has a clear idea of why an apocalypse makes sense if he didn't know) or he doesn't (good fricking luck, god knew about this shit, knew it was fricked up, and couldn't figure it out).

            this is why i hate these threads.

            Anyway, it is a human made thing. frick off, unless there is someone whos willing to turn it into an epicurean paradox

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kek I see...have you ever tried to convince a Christian they were wrong about something ? When they call everybody else evil satanists and they are going to burn in hell.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that is such an obvious hoax only a simpleton or mormon would fall for it. it looks brand new among other obvious flaws.

      how many dollars
      I want it on my coffee table

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >article says the front cover had a red stone
      >pictures show the front cover has a blue stone
      So where are the pictures actually from?

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the Lakota indians spiritual tradidition they say ' Hau mitakye Oyasin" which means "all my relations" they use it like Christians say 'amen". Baphomet is literally the representation of All my relations, it isn't a god or a deity it is merely a symbol representing creation, which is why it has male female, bird wings animal head etc.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Copypasting from the last anti-Islam shill/moron thread.

    Islam predates Masonry by at least 700-800 years if we're taking the Halliwell Manuscript as evidence of early Masonry. Which in itself is pretty debatable, most academics nowadays date Masonry later from what I understand.

    Imo most likely it was the opposite, elements of Masonic symbolism, ritual posture and numerology come from Islam and of course many, many others revolve around Solomon's Temple. Where were the Knights Templars based in Jerusalem? On the Temple Mount, and of course Masons like to trace themselves back to the Templars. The Templars worked closely with the Assassins who were Ismailis, a highly esoteric Shia sect (the main sect of Shiism at that time), which would've been a point of contact for intellectual influence to happen. And then when the Templars were suppressed, part of the accusations were that they worshipped "Bahomet", a word that never appears before that time. But some scholars think it could be a corruption of Mahomet, i.e. Muhammad SAW, and the Templars were accused of being secret Muslims, which if they'd inherited some Ismali esoteric ideas could have a grain of truth. The other elements of the Templar accusations like worshipping a severed head or trampling on the host might seem to contradict that but Latin Christians didn't understand a lot about Islam in the medieval era and it was often seen as an anti-Christianity complete with its own false trinity. So why not severed heads and host desecrations too? Just a theory but it lines up I think. And it's not necessarily incompatible with a late medieval or early modern dating for Masonry and doesn't necessarily mean the Masons are actually directly descended from the Templars. Could be the Templars brought back some esoteric ideas they'd acquired from the Ismailis and the Masons picked up those threads later, combining them with other esoteric ideas that were circulating.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Islam predates Masonry by at least 700-800 years
      Christianity predates Islam by 600 years. Mystical secrets, gnosticism, along with roman, greek and egyptian syncretisms were a dime a dozen way before the first quran verse was even out. And let us not even talk about israeli esotericism. Masonism on the other hand is secular slop that employs larp as the binding material, whereas the former employed faith and actual belief. Belief cares about truth.

      >part of the accusations were that they worshipped "Baphomet", a word that never appears before that time.
      The word appeared way before the templars were shunned or even considered shunnable. Its first ever recorded mention was of a guy mentioning muslims saying it. Only almost a hundred year later, when the crusades were not in their stride and templars were starting to move back to France like they meant it were people using it as a demonic term. Not too surprising, since abrahamic religions have a tendency to turn any "enemy God" into a "Demon". It's not what "some" scholar think by the way, this is what historians consensually believe. Anything that isn't a haphazard creation born from forced confessions was a post-hoc addition.

      >Assassins and Templar
      Assassins were literally ISIS back then, going around killing caliphs and being an overall source of nuisance to the enemy sunni majority and the knights appreciated that. Also, they sure as frick weren't buddy buddy all the time, so it wasn't like they were exchanging Qurans and Gospels.
      What truly happened is that the Templar's long stay in the Middle East was reported to have changed them. They were starting to clothe themselves differently, had their education and culture altered by living with Levantines and Byzantians and had a reputation of having been influenced by local practices. Even if they were very endogamous, accents and mannerisms wouldve changed after a 100 years. They couldve looked like literal arabs by the time of their end.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Christianity predates Islam by 600 years.
        Don't wanna derail the thread but in Islam, it's an article of faith that Islam as a historical phenomenon beginning with the Prophet Muhammad SAW is a restoration of the primordial religion shared by all prior prophets (and at least one was sent to every single people before prophethood was sealed), Adam himself, mankind as a whole in the world souls exist in before being incarnated, humanity in general due to the fitrah (natural inclination towards pure monotheism), and even the animals, plants and "inanimate" objects in the sense that they serve God by performing the function for which they were created. And ofc Christianity itself is predated by a lot of religions and esoteric philosophies and is highly syncretic.

        >The word appeared way before the templars were shunned or even considered shunnable. Its first ever recorded mention was of a guy mentioning muslims saying it.
        Source? If it's true it still doesn't preclude Bahomet being Mahomet though, it could've been crusaders hearing Muslims making salawat (prayers to God for blessings on the Prophet SAW) and taking that to be prayer to him. There are similar theories out there about the origin of Termagant, a supposed war god that some medieval Christians thought was part of an Islamic anti-trinity along with God and Muhammad SAW. Termagant isn't a deity in any recorded culture so it's possible the origin was Christians mishearing and misunderstanding some commonly repeated Islamic phrase like alhamdullilah.

        It actually isn't all scholars btw, High Kennedy even wrote a paper arguing the Templars were guilty of what they were accused of. The guy's a barely disguised tradcath so I'm not saying that's an intellectually legitimate position or an unbiased one but it is one you can get away with in academia. What I meant about academics in the post you're replying to though was when they date Masonry to, not the Templars.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hugh Kennedy

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Don't wanna derail the thread but in Islam, it's an article of faith
          if we all believed in it we'd all be muslims. I don't understand the point of this. It's like the guys who correct non muslims into saying "reversing" into islam instead of converting. Stuff like this is contingent on belief, otherwise it's just another mythos and another sect of abrahamic flavor. People knew that region of the world was a mess religiously speaking.

          >source ?
          here you go
          « Sequenti die aurora apparente, altis vocibus Baphometh invocaverunt ; et nos Deum nostrum in cordibus nostris deprecantes, impetum facientes in eos, de muris civitatis omnes expulimus.»
          https://archive.org/details/epistulaeetchart00hageuoft/page/158/mode/2up?view=theater

          >If it's true it still doesn't preclude Bahomet being Mahomet though, it could've been crusaders hearing Muslims making salawat (prayers to God for blessings on the Prophet SAW) and taking that to be prayer to him.
          Literally my point. Baphomet IS a crappy retranscription of Muhammad as they heard it, Baphomet/Mahomet was the figurehead of the enemy, the Templars stayed a tad too long in the land of the enemy. The Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 200 years, let alone templar presence. It would be enough for the templars to speak with a levantine accent but i doubt that a literal christian knightly order would abandon catholicism for what was considered an evil god of the enemy. Le Bel treated Templars exactly like so many were treated throughout history : an ethnic foreign group of interest that supposedly held a wealth they did not deserve while himself being down bad.

          At the same time, the use of Baphomet, in the west in particular since the distance obviously didn't help, got in turn twisted into an evil god/demon/devil as time went, yet carried its oriental connotation, hence the connection with the now-foreign templar.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Stuff like this is contingent on belief
            Absolutely and I acknowledged that by saying it's an article of faith, it just has to be pointed out when the issue of what ideas predate Islam comes up. Islam's age depends on both what you mean by Islam and what you believe in general.

            >here you go
            Thanks

            >i doubt that a literal christian knightly order would abandon catholicism for what was considered an evil god of the enemy
            If there was religious influence it wouldn't have had to be abandoning Christianity. Were the Renaissance qabalists abandoning Christianity? They didn't think so anyway. It's not a hill I'd die on though, there's just more that lines up about than most people realize. You're right of course that the Templars wealth was a huge motivating factor whatever they did or didn't believe.

            Yeah, Levi and people who've followed him have done an awful lot to muddle the issue.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Islam's age depends on both what you mean by Islam and what you believe in general.
            No one was ever confused about this. Islam, in its unanimously understood meaning, doesn't predate the arrival of their predicator, the same way Ahmadiyyans, or Mormons do not predate it as much as their mythos make them pretend it was the case. And they all know that, muslims included. You don't need to point that out. It is not a "general" belief type of thing. That is literally how lines are drawn between pretty much every fricking religion in the middle east since jesus decided that israelites were wrong.

            Did all these religions revendicate an ancient legacy ? They sure did. But it remains a matter of faith whether whoever the frick is upstairs making fun of us agrees with that.
            >here you go
            it was hard to find. At one point I was actually in doubt. shit like this is as unreliable as old bible translations.
            >qabalist
            Honestly I won't go that deep. I will reiterate that I believe that the guys were like halfway between nestorians and and catholics (and i'm seriously hinging on them being more catholic than anything and i honestly have no dog in this race), Le Bel needed money, and the whole baphomet thing was a false flag.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Honestly I won't go that deep.
            No, I mean Renaissance occultists like Ficino. They were absorbing hermetic and kabbalistic ideas and syncretizing them with Catholicism but in general they didn't think of what they were doing as going beyond the bounds of Christianity or belonging to some subversive sect or whatever. You could mention some Muslim occultists like Fakhr al-Din al-Razi too, he was writing about magic but still considered himself in line with orthodox Sunni Islam. My point being that the line between religion and the occult can get very blurry and that whether someone belongs to a religion in an essentialist dogmatic sense isn't always the same as whether someone is Catholic in terms of a nominalist, self-perception sense. So I don't think it's legitimate to say that the Templars would've had to have been willing to adopt a new religion in order for them to absorb some esoteric ideas from the Ismailis.

            >No one was ever confused about this
            It's /x/, a lot of people don't even know we don't worship the moon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My point being that the line between religion and the occult can get very blurry and that whether someone belongs to a religion in an essentialist dogmatic sense isn't always the same as whether someone is Catholic in terms of a nominalist, self-perception sense
            Whether they belong to that religion in a nominalist sense and in terms of their self-perception I mean, Catholicism in the case of the Templars obviously.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            there is a reason why the post you're quoting isn't the one you're answering to. I won't go beyond post-hoc interpreters that believe thinking their fanfic is legit. Interpret all you want but there is no earlier mention of baphomet than one guy who got fricked over by the arabs and one dude who thought that fricking the templar was a good idea. Were there 200 years worth of troubadours making stories about Mahomet/Baphomet being a devil. Sure. Were said stories used politically to rip off some warrior monks ? Sure. But it was all a fanfiction. I have as must respect for those people as I have respect for nation of islam morons who believe that white people were made as slaves for yakub. We know it was an initially political belief that was eaten by gulllible people. And if the only sybolism the larper beyond that bring upon is just that "one god has boobs and her twin brother had a dick" i don't know bro, if i were an alien or a God I would wipe you the frick out for not trying hard enough

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're a sperg who needs to learn how to have a conversation that isn't a debate, we aren't even disagreeing on the Bahomet/Mahomet thing lol

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >baphomet is a devil
            >ok well he was a made up devil
            >ok well he he was a devil that made no sense
            >ok well he was a devil that was created just to accuse a couple of morons so that one moron could get free money but some guys 800 later made him not a devil ok ???

            it was never a debate

  24. 2 months ago
    Michael

    Baphomet threads are my absolute favorite. Very good, keep it going. Everybody is alone. Nothing is real.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Syncretization of the horned god, you're not gonna get much closer than that to the origin. The myriad of branching syncretized figures can be traced back to the mesolithic age thanks to cave paintings.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Several larps being conflated into one. Mohammed/Mahomet/Baphomet + a convenient charge to lay on the Templars to disband their organization and seize their wealth + "Eliphas Levi" larping as a magician

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to have sex with that thing
    But also not have sex with that thing

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The idea has been around forever. The dual (therefore multiple) aspect of the One Thing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      inb4 but wait shouldn't we talk about some muslim history or something? lol

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your mom (you) .

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why does it have boobs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's a female and male symbol. It's not a cryptid anon, don't ask about its biology.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's hermaphroditic

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just some cancerous moron homosexual that got raped

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Catholic Church wanted said the Templars worshipped the head of Baphomet. They meant to say Mahomet, an early spelling of Mohammad. Then in the 1850s Eliphas Levi drew the Baphomet image everyone knows. The end.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Female extra terrestrial humanoid wearing a goat head mask.

    The wings are symbolism rather than literal.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Baphomet is a dmt entity.

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