What do you guys think of Alchemy?

What do you guys think of Alchemy? I used to think it was mostly philosophical ideas but the history behind the Count of St. Germain has me second guessing just how literal the philosophers stone is supposed to be

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fun to read up on and get experience working with lab equipment, not worth discussing here due to /misc/ Black folk

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a better place to discuss? I'm mostly just curious what the consensus is on whether it's a real object or philosophical idea

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No its depressing as frick, everywhere is awful, its either dead or teens crying about how either demons are posessing them or israeliteWWWWWWWSSSSSSSS

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hello Fren, there might be. I don’t think /x/ is great for serious discussion on alchemical matters but I myself am searching for a forum purely for this kind of subject matter. There are other forums but this subject attracts the curious and the ambitious and I want to keep myself away from the ambitious.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://alchemyforums.com/index.php
        >https://alchemyforums.com/index.php
        go here. people actually read alchemical texts there. they are also fairly friendly and not as moronic as this shithole. just lurk for awhile and read...don't believe anyone knows a fricking thing about what they are talking about (here or there) but at least there they deal with the actual subject of alchemy and don't bring in a bunch of gay shit like the Kybalion there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >https://alchemyforums.com/index.php
          >meme thread started in '09
          oh god Im old

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

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          Never before have I seen a more blatant lie

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP I know you didn’t ask for this reading list but I must put it in here.
    >The Three Initiates - The Kyballion (new age crap but it does spell out in plain English basic Hermetic philosophy it’s an easy read but just remember this was made war the turn of the19th- 20th centuries and is fundamentally a new, light read the meat and potatoes is below)
    >Unknown (Hermes 3G?) - Pymander and The Corpus Hermeticum (This kicked off the whole thing for plebs since 200AD).
    >Asclepius - Another Hermetica to read
    >The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz
    >Robert Bartlett - Real Alchemy, The Way of the Crucible
    >Frater Albertus - The Alchemist’s Handbook
    >Marlene Seven Bremner - Hermetic Philosophy and Creative Alchemy
    >Franz Barron - Initiation into Hermetics
    >Carl Jung - The Red Book (be critical of this one, there’s some important things that Jung states but he uses alchemy to support his pet theories instead of talking about alchemy, nonetheless it is a good read).
    >Guillamo Kremmerz - The Hermetic Science of Transformation
    >Karen Harrison - The Herbal Alchemist’s Handbook
    >Travis Dow - The History of Alchemy
    >Fulcanelli - Le Mystère des Cathédrales (better to read this in Français, French is a good language to learn for aspiring alchemists. Fuclanelli unlisted the book in French and created a coded message through odd grammar and misspellings in it that can only be ascertained if you know French).
    You can eventually find several good websites about this topic that have good articles and alchemical tips. Lurk on /x/ or search 4plebs and you will find them. Good luck.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the list, will definitely have to look into them. Got a couple recommendations to start with? Which camp are you in with regards to the stone?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > where to start?
        Depends. If you’ve read up on alchemy then I would avoid the kyballion and read the corpus hermeticum if you haven’t already. Then I would start with Robert Bartlett’s Real Alchemy.
        >Where do you stand on alchemical philosophy?
        I’m on the fence. To be quite honest, I didn’t know or believe in any of this until the summer of 2023, I started reading and looking into this last August.

        Here’s a good mega link for more reading material.

        https://mega.nz/folder/ENkWBBIQ#PuvsOfr3m-f3Op1mxsqrNw/folder/UJ9yWCrI

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          not op but thank you for sharing link and the book suggestion.

          OP I know you didn’t ask for this reading list but I must put it in here.
          >The Three Initiates - The Kyballion (new age crap but it does spell out in plain English basic Hermetic philosophy it’s an easy read but just remember this was made war the turn of the19th- 20th centuries and is fundamentally a new, light read the meat and potatoes is below)
          >Unknown (Hermes 3G?) - Pymander and The Corpus Hermeticum (This kicked off the whole thing for plebs since 200AD).
          >Asclepius - Another Hermetica to read
          >The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz
          >Robert Bartlett - Real Alchemy, The Way of the Crucible
          >Frater Albertus - The Alchemist’s Handbook
          >Marlene Seven Bremner - Hermetic Philosophy and Creative Alchemy
          >Franz Barron - Initiation into Hermetics
          >Carl Jung - The Red Book (be critical of this one, there’s some important things that Jung states but he uses alchemy to support his pet theories instead of talking about alchemy, nonetheless it is a good read).
          >Guillamo Kremmerz - The Hermetic Science of Transformation
          >Karen Harrison - The Herbal Alchemist’s Handbook
          >Travis Dow - The History of Alchemy
          >Fulcanelli - Le Mystère des Cathédrales (better to read this in Français, French is a good language to learn for aspiring alchemists. Fuclanelli unlisted the book in French and created a coded message through odd grammar and misspellings in it that can only be ascertained if you know French).
          You can eventually find several good websites about this topic that have good articles and alchemical tips. Lurk on /x/ or search 4plebs and you will find them. Good luck.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You’re welcome.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Evola had a good book on it. Fairly straightforward for him, and the subject matter.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People will look for magic everywhere in life except where it actually exists, simply because it is a hard pill to swallow. The cold truth is that alchemy is simply now known as chemical engineering, and to practice magic you simply need further education in a STEM field.

    I mean, think about it critically, right? There are so many unknowns in life that are simply accepted, and people choose to ignore them and schizopost on a tibetan grecian urn enthusiast board. Atomic bonds, transistors, you name it. Just look at this image and tell me it isn't magic. All you need to understand the fundamentals of this is give or take three months.

    Choose what you learn, because there is so much to see.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that is what you would think the logical conclusion to alchemy would be but hilariously most alchemists in the last 50-70 years have denounced chemistry entirely in the most bitter angry fashion possible

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Euphoric post my fine sir! A scholar and a gentleman indeed! *tips fedora*

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bot or moron?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good question. Personally, I was thinking anyone posting such a r*ddit-tier bro-science as to completely overlook the esoteric aspects of alchemy take was almost surely a bot, but who knows?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            moron, understood

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alchemy busing names of elements purely as analogy is so obvious on reading any of it that only a moron would think it has anything to do with chemistry

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >s so obvious on reading
        dude they complained about it for centuries to each other about how the analogy shit was confusing as frick and screwed over many apprentice alchemists

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They couldn't download every book on the subject in a few seconds nor had the later works that make it most obvious been written.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok thank you for agreeing?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How am I agreeing the point is that there is no excuse today other than you didn't even attempt to read about it before having an opinion on what it is about

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            thank you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >s so obvious on reading
        dude they complained about it for centuries to each other about how the analogy shit was confusing as frick and screwed over many apprentice alchemists

        And you failed to see the 'analogy shit' was the entire point, just like those who complained about it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They’re two different things. They diverged long ago. Neo-Paracelsians who practice spagyrics will tell you what they do isn’t chemistry because they’re bound not just by normal time but also astrological time. You have to do these alchemical rituals and procedures at certain times or they won’t work. For spiritual alchemy, that’s completely divorced from chemistry. The best book I ever read on that was Magnum Opus by a Swedish artist.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Whats even the point of spiritual alchemy? It just feels like generic spiritualism took alchemical terms and said "this is mine now", completely missing the point that these people worked in labs producing physical objects for millennia.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think it’s a good question and worthy of its own thread. Sadly I’m not enlightened or experienced enough to even begin to answer that question. I feel that I have a long way to go before I can actually answer that with any honesty.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alchemy is the manipulation of certain particles not discovered by mainstream science. You use these particles to manipulate the third dimension and allow you to develop a force field that grants you access to the fourth and fifth dimensions. I’m unsure if it is possible to access the sixth dimension using alchemy. The fourth dimension gives you a lot of control over space and time. The fifth dimension allows you to create material with nothing but your own will. Sadly, not everyone is worthy of this. You have to spiritually purify yourself and work within the cosmic system that rules our plane of reality in order to be successful in alchemy and granted access to these above mentioned privileges. A lot of the cosmic system is about trapping your soul and taking it to hell-like realms, if you pursue this path you will be tempted and offered a lot of opportunities from strangers and even stranger messages that comes from what most of us would call demons. These temptations are meant to distract you from pursuing spiritual perfection and development. Try to view it as a test, the fricked up part is that these test come from God Itself, the message sent to an Archangel which then makes demons seek to tempt and distract you. To refuse these things is good, you probably won’t be sent to a hell realm, obtaining union with the divine isn’t easy, good luck. Also note that this path isn’t great if you have loved ones and a family. This path can end up feeling like you lost your free will and do the bidding of God, there is some truth in it but you still have free will and can defy Cosmic commands, but there are repercussions for doing that. If you have a family, the divine will punish you by hurting them. So if you’re a mother or father it is best to avoid this path and live your life to the fullest. It’s best to pursue this if you’re alone but mentally stable, ready to move on from this world but without hate.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's some new age bullshit, neato

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        P.2
        To go back to the original response, alchemy is like chemistry magic to reach a specific type of henosis that will make you immortal in body and mind. You are combining theurgy and chemistry to create a tool that will make life on this planet easier and you can stay here a little longer in order to spiritually develop before moving on to higher plains of existence and repeating the cycle there.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    so wtf is alchemy

    whats the point of knowing it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Long story short, its a system of early chemisty with heavy spiritual elements, the goal of which was the perfection of mater, which would be done through a substance known as the philosophers stone, or oil of gold or one of another million names, the process of which was combining the 4 classical elements and the three building blocks of matter(salt, sulfur and mercury), in perfect unity through multiple processes of calcination, digestions and other processes until you get the stone.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *it would then be used to "tinge" other metals to purify them into gold or placed in wine to be used as a cure all or as life extension.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/dln7SwO.jpg

      What do you guys think of Alchemy? I used to think it was mostly philosophical ideas but the history behind the Count of St. Germain has me second guessing just how literal the philosophers stone is supposed to be

      been having some doubts too...I was reading some things and I know it's from science shills but hear this out...
      >SCEPTICAL CHYMIST > By this State of the controversie you will, I suppose, Guess, that I need not be so absurd as to deny that there are such bodies as Earth, and Water, and Quicksilver, and Sulphur: But I look upon Earth and Water, as component parts of the Universe, or rather of the Terrestrial Globe, not of all mixt bodies. And though I will not peremptorily deny that there may sometimes either a running Mercury, or a Combustible Substance be obtain'd from a Mineral, or even a Metal; yet I need not Concede either of them to be an Element in the sence above declar'd;[20] as I shall have occasion to shew you by and by.
      > That all Bodies consist of either Three Principles, or Five, are far from being so strong as those that I have employ'd to prove, that there is not any certain and Determinate number of such Principles or Elements to be met with Universally in all mixt Bodies.[23]
      the earth is real but... is not an element?? it's not in everything? water too??

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The classical elements are not specific matter, "water" isnt actually water, its a name for a force of nature, specifically surrounding wetness, coldness, and other things, actual water is made from this yes, but the elements aren't themselves physical things, but as far as I can tell, rules that dictate how things are made and how they form.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          *they're are formed from the primordial chaos, and when purified to perfection and combined in harmony produce the Quintessence

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does the Tin and Jupiter symbols are the same?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason Mercury and Mercury are the same

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the alchemical wedding is an internal process. The world itself is a prism. Fractal decomposition of a mind.

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