>we have to gatekeep occult knowledge because...

>we have to gatekeep occult knowledge because... we just have to ok???
>stop revealing the secrets chud, the masses are not ready for it, they can't take it!

frick that gay shit, everyone should have the knowledge and bear the consequences, I don't if millions go mad or suicide, truth is king and the king must come back.

frick occultism.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are aware that idiots just argue it, satanists try to deny it, and the rest don't see or hear or understand it.
    The initiated are the only ones who seek truth. and they are the only ones who receive it.

    I'm here, every so often, so are others.
    But you just aren't listening.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NTA, there's just too much noise to really know what to listen

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have the answers, and you know it in your heart to be true when you read it. Otherwise, choose your destiny. Besides, living is the point of life. Do what you want, but the answers are all here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the rest don't see or hear or understand it

      probably would be easier to understand if you didn't willingly obscure the message behind 3000 layers of word salad, you WANT to be a part of the secret club of old farts who "get it" because you hate humanity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I definitely don't make posts longer than a few sentences. People willingly avoid the truth because it's not so pretty, its not perfect for them so they deny it with their eyes and soul.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then people aren't willingly avoiding the truth, you're taking advantage of their natural instincts to not be scammed to claim that you've done everything you can. If they were willingly avoiding the truth you'd provide information in an easily tested, easily understood manner, and do it whenever asked then make the same claim. But you wouldn't even be capable of making that claim to defend yourself then because no one would be accusing you of being purposely misleading. Word salad doesn't require a lot of words, it just requires not being clear and using some words to mean other things. I hate this rhetoric so much it's insane.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            these people get off on purposefully being ambiguous, not worth engaging with it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm starting to realize that about a lot of things.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're sheltered, borderline on idiotic. Go out and give people 'the truth' in simple terms and see what happens. You're just pontificating from your mother's womb as if you knew a god damn thing about what the truth is. If you can't find truth, you don't deserve it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even if you laid it out in an easy to follow, step by step formula, people would dismiss it. The masses don't appreciate anything that comes easy, and if you're not willing to put in the little bit of work required, you don't deserve it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          except no one ever does. so this line of argument is moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Read the book "Miracle Mastery", it does exactly that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >061▶
            >

            except no one ever does. so this line of argument is moronic

            (You)
            >Read the book "Miracle Mastery", it does exactly that.
            >psychic shit
            Oh frick off

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the rest don't see or hear or understand it.
      You gatekeep the prerequisites. People don't even think this stuff is important but it influences everyone heavily. Because you gatekeep. Truth is you are pawns like most everyone else, me too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >t. https://youtu.be/9Q1hnkp5Zqw?si=RkXc3quThaIWL-TR

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I guarantee you nobody who thinks truth should be hidden has real truth.

    What those occult societies have is only truths of this particular system. Like if you knew "cheat codez" to a video game, but knew nothing about life outside the game.
    And they have to "sell their soul" (e.g. bind themselves deeper into this system, to make this game their master) in order to get those cheats.

    Not worth it in my opinion. Eventually humanity will transcend this childish game (and many are already beginning to outgrow it, which is the source of depression and feeling of boredom and indifference with the world).
    And when everyone else leaves this game but them, they'll have nobody left to devour but themselves.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why they want the truth to be hidden is that they have a huge priviledge over you and don't want it to go public, because if it did you'd want to either kill them or make the priviledge accessible to all.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >dealing with paradoxes, subjective and absolute truthes, and other hard to translate in plain language truthes, especially without another human being who is more experienced help you with it
    >misunderstand it, get infatuated with it, get a warped perception of self, the world, etc, with it, and then start preaching it
    >wonder why society decays, wonder why human soul decays

    Occultism literally serves as a filter. Seekers seek, finders find, and those who are neither have no business in either seeking or believing they've found it. You just are an immature impatient man who expects to be spoonfed, and lack any sense of criticism. Occult knowledge is gatekept for reasons, of which the kind of person you are, is part of.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off, if you knew anything about it you'd know the most occult shit is literally gifted to some people by a RNG simulator. There's no "deserve it and it will be given to you".

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Never implied that. You frick off with your victim mindset.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It'd be easier not to have a "victim mindset" without being a victim of some homosexual's script tho. But you wouldn't know shit about that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >he claims to know who gets the truth
            >he doesn't know about the scripters

            Dime a dozen

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >begs for explanations
            >no but you dont know shits lol sry
            You vibrate so low you might as well be made out of manure

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I ain't begging for explanations I'm saying that the picture painted is kinda incorrect.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you look through history at people you could reasonably assume had 'the gift', that's probably for the best, tbh.
        prophets, madmen, saints. oracles, champions elected by fate.
        these are often very tragic stories.
        in the old world schizophrenics became priests, monks, and nuns.
        sometimes schizophrenia is just schizophrenia, but at the very least its an indicator that the truth is not easy to deal with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s always nice to see your signature. Are you from Scotland?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >America, be free, tonight
    >I am on your side.
    >Don't let 'em put you down, we'll make it great again
    >And in the meantime, we'll, build a wall

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They gatekeep the occult because the "occult" is just a secret plan to kill all no Israelites to usher in their antichrist messiah

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wanna know the secret?
    We're surrounded by spirits, demons, angels, djinn, ETs and shit all the time. There are more of them than there are of us. They control the occult and psychic powers. If you share their secrets they take the powers away or make you go crazy so no one will believe you anyway.
    But those who know already know and those who don't will just dismiss this is a schizopost.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The homosexuals made me crazy before I even started to share their bullshit. I guess it's only fair if I do then.
      So yeah, they aren't spirits or whatever just people with cybernetics, go ahead and make me even more crazy 🙂

      >he claims to know who gets the truth
      >he doesn't know about the scripters

      Dime a dozen

      Oh no, the scripters! You mean a bunch of people control the bunch of people that will end up controlling other unsuspecting people? Who would've thought?!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >cybernetics
        Vast oversimplification. They are possessed by spirits that also interact with and torture you. You play part in that game, you are a willing recipient of torture due to the entertainment you get from it. This is all because of you. Once you disengage with these multi-host controlling intelligences, you stop feeding them, they and their host bodies will bother someone else, maybe poke you here and there to test you. But you are too engaged in the fun of it, in the "poor me" and the while discomforting, still entertaining feelings of it. You are possessed just like they are, and your ego loves the attention and the torture.

        You reap what you sow. You grow what you feed. So better not sneed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Stop acting like they are possessed or don't have any will in this matter, they do. They are human beings acting consciously, and it's fricking annoying of you to pretend something else.

          At the end of the day what you're saying is " if you suffer it's your own fault and they'll try to make you suffer until you don't ".
          I'd love for the frickers to leave me alone, I'd love for the trauma that these people did to me to heal, but unfortunately it's very hard when you're literally schizophrenic because of their bullshit and your brain is constently sending PTSD thoughts on you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They don't have free will. They are possessed by spirits of hate, they don't know how to help themselves if they even exist and aren't a figment of the being that is currently ruling over your imagination. Your brain is inflamed. You are not able to perceive reality without your thought and feeling muddying the well. All of these beings are ruling your mind, just like they rule theirs. If you don't suffer... how can they make you suffer?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Source: V2K in your brain

            You don't know what they are. Stop LARPing and tell the truth

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hello Charls. The Palace sucked.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In ages passed, it was worth concealing, but today I don't see any reason to withhold information. There's so much false information out there that if someone can pick out truth then they deserve to have it.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Occult knowledge is literally available to anyone

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The books are there for you to read. Open one and it tells you about the others. Each one of them is like this, expanding into a web of connected books.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually neither of those.
    You could blatantly explain the truth of things and people will simply "take it in" for one day before dropping it the next.

    Personally, I feel this is intentional as our current Star's glow only really allows for a certain age of consciousness to be the 'norm' per say. A more conscious, or attuned, being usually is born with older stars' light as stars are the seat of consciousness and how it transfers over into our dimension.

    People born during eclipses, or specific celestial events, or even certain geographical areas can sometimes call a 'wild card' but for the most part the base consciousness and connectiveness of a nascent celestial body is determined by the local star; for that is the engine of Light and Fire for which all life is birthed from. The original seeding of a fertile womb comes from the Light and Fire of a star. This is how astrology affects humanity, as distant stars create a divine geometry in the sky which communes directly with the "pleroma" in essence; the Order derived from Chaos and Silence (Void).

    Now, people can be informed on this, but at the same time due to the average baseline level of conscious understanding from our young star, it just doesn't "help" in a way. It helps, but it also doesn't help. When Law is set on Earth, the techniques of the Heavens don't always apply and vice versa.

    The best thing to do is keep Lightkeeping communities at least known, that way people can avoid things like unnecessary Earth-centered dogma of Orthodox religion (which there has yet to be a true religion which properly adapts the Law of the Heavens) but honestly a proper philosophy designed to kindle Flame constantly gets snuffed, shuffled around, and dispersed until embers find new locations to settle (as it is impossible to truly snuff).

    https://parallelheimat.com/occultism/the-lament-of-hermes/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You could blatantly explain the truth of things and people will simply "take it in" for one day before dropping it the next.
      God has to let you see. You can't convince other nor make them see, neither can they see by themselves. Many times things have been read or heard, but it takes the grace of God to truly realize and internalize them.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone has access, and authors of each generation have also presented it in a way that can reach the normies of their generation. There's no gatekeeping when you can just go to amazon and buy the visuddhimagga/vimuttimagga, there's just the fact most people aren't equipped for it.

    So don't take it out with occultism, or the non-existent gatekeeping.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Just see through the sea of piss bro
      >Mention those authors? No way bro, why would I?
      >Gatekeeping? We don't do that at all
      Kek, based luciferian.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, why would i bother adding the authors when there are hundreds of them in the mainstream scene and dozens of traditions and models they write about.

        I'm starting to think people think they're being gatekept because they believe an elitist group is guarding a list of universal magic formulas that let you perform harry potter shit when you speak them out loud. A completely moronic thought that fits individuals that aren't prepared to put in any effort at all into occultism or magic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I cant tell if you're playing along or just genuinely deluded.

          You're sheltered, borderline on idiotic. Go out and give people 'the truth' in simple terms and see what happens. You're just pontificating from your mother's womb as if you knew a god damn thing about what the truth is. If you can't find truth, you don't deserve it.

          I'm not sheltered, you just don't want to do what you claim. Going out and telling people things unprompted is not the same as failing to give an answer when asked. The truth has nothing do do with deserve and finding, if you believe this to be the case destroy every piece of electronics you own and only use them once you can independently rediscover how they work. Human beings work as a society by jointly sharing the truth regardless of the consequences and then pruning the people who can't handle it. There's a reason why you had to come up with an analogy so far beyond the current situation, just like the guy above who will go "it's so easy, just read through hundreds of books and charlatans" but won't even name one non-charlatan.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Name one non-charlatan
            Manly P Hall, Alfred North Whitehead, Terence McKenna, Carl Jung. What do you qualify as non-charlatan, though? Because I know exactly what you'll say to these names.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I define it as someone who's written mystical works/presents some sort of occult practice that are/is actually applicable in reality, and not the result of delusion or an attempt to make money off the gullible. I have quite literally nothing to say to those names, I just wanted to see what kind of person you were based on your willingness to reveal information, and you have informed me wonderfully.

            >I cant tell if you're playing along or just genuinely deluded.
            What are you not understanding? What is the content that you think is being gatekept? A general outline is enough. Whatever your answer is i can guarantee you it's either what i've already mentioned, some deluded magic formula bullshit and if it's not i can prove it's not gatekept by pointing at publicly accessible works that contain it.

            I explained it above. I don't think content is being gatekept outright, I explained right there that I think pointing to a sea of works that may or may not contain what you claim, and which do not focus on the supposed truth, but widely contradict each other in what they say is an alternate method of gatekeeping because no one does this when trying to genuinely inform others. To use another simple analogy, it's like pointing to Darwin, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, and Sassure to find out the truth about the origin of life, then claiming it's the fault of the person who asked if they can't figure it out between those three works when they have no foundation in biology to differentiate between who's lying and who isn't.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you have informed me wonderfully
            I'm not even the guy you were talking to before that kek. You know there have been a hundred thousand people just like you on this board right? Even I was just like you at some point. Eventually you get to a point, if you really pursure the path, that you stop caring about enlightenjng stupid people who will only ever misconstrue or dismiss you. You realize eventually that the true path cannot be forced on others, no matter what you do. That's why it's the path of SELF-transformation. It's nobody's place but your own to change who you are, and to purify your inner workings and come to know them closer. I hope you realize one day anon. I love you, and forgive you.

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          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not even the guy you were talking to
            So you just jumped in to let me know you're a dishonest elitist? Thanks I guess.

            I'll use another helpful analogy here:

            If you believe this so much, then in the path of SELF-improvement, do not use weights or workout tips you didn't come up with. No one's asking you to do the work for them, they're asking you for the knowledge of how to get started, bur you cant even look past ego long enough to recognize that. You'll also notice that I wasn't asking you to force anything on anyone, I was asking you to be upfront when confronted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            God, people like you always end up being assumptive homosexuals who out themselves as attention seeking morons who don't actually know what they're talking about. Every single fricking time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And yet you can't explain how I'm wrong. OP is completely right, you get off on being a super secret club of people standing above the "masses". If I wanted attention I'd be acting very different.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I work in a gas station, you plebeian moron. Le alchemy doesn't morph your genes and circumstances turning you into a rich liberal masonic israelite. It makes you a better person. It helps you find foundation and appreciation in life, art, philosophy, science, religion, and math. You're a god damn neanderthal by comparison to even the schizos on here. I'd say you're on the same level as an avid EerieWeb poster in esoteric knowledge and based on your ability to assume random bullshit from the vaguest hints anons say and feeling it must be the deepest truth. Frick. You.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            anyone who unironically uses plebian is automatically a giant gay

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sources don't contradict each other in their fundamentals though, specially if we're talking about esoteric models. There are discrepancies in practical approach, nomenclature and the superficial shifting elements, but that doesn't really matter because people who follow different models reach the same destination. Anyone who has studied more than one model can easily create parallels with all the fundamental elements. For example, someone who practices a qabalistic model will realize the sephirah are pretty much kasinas in a buddhist model, and that all the experiences that person is cultivating through the qabalistic middle pillar in the qabalistic model are considered jhanas in the buddhist model.

            The only gatekeeping is a self imposed one by means of ignorance and lack of determination. People don't want to think about choosing because they don't wanna be wrong, then they blame a straw man for gatekeeping an alleged right path that would grant them true wisdom and ideally magical powers to realize their fantasies. But the truth is every path is right and they're just different frameworks to help achieve a shared goal, it's so much hard work though,most people prefer to think someone is gatekeeping a superior path that doesn't require that much effort, some will never stop believing that path exists even if you tell them the truth because they'd rather waste their lives in wishful thinking than to study and practice what is in their reach.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hopefully he takes what you said and integrates it sincerely. That's actually beautiful advice anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >For example, someone who practices a qabalistic model will realize the sephirah are pretty much kasinas in a buddhist model
            Agreed, but there is real danger in understanding that both are detailing same experience and process, and thinking that means you can mix and match and syncretize the two systems.
            It's like dieting.
            Sure, the different diet systems can work with proper practice, and sure they are all detailing different ways to engage with the same systems for the same goal - but that doesnt mean you can take a keto diet system and swap in a bunch of bread from a vegetarian diet system and expect the system to keep working properly.
            Or how different languages are all just humans communicating, but that doesnt mean you can mix and match words from different languages and still get a legible sentence.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >syncretism bad
            in one sentence you just discredited the entirety of your argument. good job, anon. you're so enlightened.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically yes. Understanding the similarity of sameness of the higher system doesnt mean the lower processes are interchangeable.
            That is a trap of New Age thinking.

            I'll leave that to the individual, hermetic qabalah did that after all by adding several elements from different traditions, even though they maintained the skeleton of israeli qabalah. Some people even develop their own models. I think it's doable as long as that person knows the fundamentals which aren't a big secret, it's easy to retrieve a general map from easily accessible sources such as hermeticism in the west.

            What is leading nowhere is taking elements on their own, often from different models at a time and trying to put them together expecting some kind of specific result, or a result at all. With this i'm talking about all these people drawing goetic sigils on the floor and reciting demonic enns devoid of meaning, people building altars in their rooms without knowing what they're worshiping (which means they aren't worshiping anything at all), people doing planetary magic without knowing astrology or even basic astronomy...etc, basically the average person dabbling into occultism and magic expecting to produce effects without knowing what causes them.

            >hermetic qabalah did that
            >even though they maintained
            And when you are in a position of vigor and influence, when you understand the systems the processes like Qabalah point to, there is the possibility of creating new systems that incorporate processes from previous systems.
            Like masters of bodily health can create new dietary systems. Masters of poetry can disregard "rules" and create new rhyming schema. Masters of jazz can show understanding of the inherent musical aesthetics by "playing around the notes".
            But most people arent masters, and wont be in such a position as to create a system. They will be here:
            >What is leading nowhere is taking elements on their own, often from different models at a time and trying to put them together expecting some kind of specific result, or a result at all.
            Which I completely agree with. They arent learning the rules of poetry, they are just imitating the rule breaking they see masters do, not appreciating how knowing the rules allows them to "properly" break them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >new age
            Kek every post you make you keep digging a deeper and deeper hole. This is why anons have stopped posting ITT as frequently.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They stopped posting because they got BTFO. Unless you're trying to say they have perfectly reasonable responses and then just chose not to use them because it would be doing the opposite of what we're accusing them of?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Says the man with a shovel. Have fun aligning your chakras to sefirot with your new age syncretism. It does help some by leading them to things that actually work, but it takes a lot longer since you gain all those bad habits to break.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not what syncretism is. Holy shit anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought
            Elaborate why you think what I said does not fit the above.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll leave that to the individual, hermetic qabalah did that after all by adding several elements from different traditions, even though they maintained the skeleton of israeli qabalah. Some people even develop their own models. I think it's doable as long as that person knows the fundamentals which aren't a big secret, it's easy to retrieve a general map from easily accessible sources such as hermeticism in the west.

            What is leading nowhere is taking elements on their own, often from different models at a time and trying to put them together expecting some kind of specific result, or a result at all. With this i'm talking about all these people drawing goetic sigils on the floor and reciting demonic enns devoid of meaning, people building altars in their rooms without knowing what they're worshiping (which means they aren't worshiping anything at all), people doing planetary magic without knowing astrology or even basic astronomy...etc, basically the average person dabbling into occultism and magic expecting to produce effects without knowing what causes them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Once again, this is like saying the scientists I list do not contradict each other in their fundamentals because they all describe the same basic fundamentals about reality. To know what is a good fundamental and not something that's going to waste your time is something you would already need prior guidance to know. Like I said before, you're leveraging peoples unwillingness to be scammed and have their time wasted to blame them for your unwillingness to be open.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You sound real smart and righteous. Do you know the intelect is evil. It is a deciver. You can not speak good through the mind. You have to be present.

            >be scammed and have their time wasted
            What if that is par of the course?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not very intelligent, and am full of moral failures. I'm just criticizing your own rhetoric because it doesn't hold up, since it doesn't, and you seem to agree that it doesn't, just say something else. I wouldn't care if you were just honest. And resorting to the same cryptic shit I was arguing with you about does not an argument make.
            >What if that's par for the course
            Then you should offer that information freely like the rest if your intent is to offer knowledge and mitigate harm instead of "oh it's there you just have to find it, it's so easy it's your fault".

            I work in a gas station, you plebeian moron. Le alchemy doesn't morph your genes and circumstances turning you into a rich liberal masonic israelite. It makes you a better person. It helps you find foundation and appreciation in life, art, philosophy, science, religion, and math. You're a god damn neanderthal by comparison to even the schizos on here. I'd say you're on the same level as an avid EerieWeb poster in esoteric knowledge and based on your ability to assume random bullshit from the vaguest hints anons say and feeling it must be the deepest truth. Frick. You.

            This doesn't change the fact that you take some pleasure and feel some importance for knowing something others don't. There were white bums that took pride in not being slaves, do you suddenly think that their position as bums means the accusation that they felt above another group is wrong?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you want me to play god and pretend I know what exactly it is you need to hear to get out of your hole. I'm just a guy trying to figure it out. I can tell you what helped me and that's it, and I've tried exactly that many times with different people (looking back it was often driven by ego, sometimes by compassion) and was reacted to with hostility. If you want to learn, for a millionth time, it is all there, inside of you. What did Buddha do - he sat down and asked himself, "what's going on?" What did Jesus do - he went into the desert and faced the devil. By saying it is all there, I mean the foundation is there. The first steps you need to take to walk the path. I can't tell you about step 3053307 because it doesn't mean shit to you if you didn't take step 1,2,3 or 3053306 yet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Asking you to speak clearly
            >"You must want me to play God!"
            homie, your ego is insane. You won't even provide step 1 without being shifty and you think others want to see step 3000 for asking for a clear explanation. Wild.

            Look, esoteric models are presented and sold as products in this day and age through authors that have brought the archaic conceptual into a palatable normie shape. Want to find truth in buddhism after your 9 to 5? Go read Ingram. This applies with every model which i'm not going to exemplify here because it's a waste of time, you can do it yourself, there are dozens of mainstream authors in western models.

            After you're settled with the framework these authors provide in their respective models, feel free to confidently explore "original" or more ancient sources without fear of not understanding. Once again, THERE IS NO GATEKEEPING being forced upon you.

            You keep "refuting" what I'm accusing you of by pretending you can't read what I'm saying and then engaging in it further. I can't tell if you're less intelligent than you think you are or if you're just purposely winding me up. See how you have to add "forced on you" at the end there? That's a sign that you're submitting to what I'm accusing you of subconsciously in some manner because you know for a fact that's what you're doing.
            >Muh the fundamentals are in the fake shit
            >Okay actually you will get fricked if you try and apply that anywhere
            >But nothing's being forced upon you bro!
            Absolutely laughable. Either it's not real, or you're being unclear on purpose. Nothing else on earth is like this unless the people involved simply want to keep things to themselves. Like I said, it's an alternative form of gatekeeping. Since you don't like that word then let's call it obfuscation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            By claiming "that is step 1 for you", I'm playing god. I don't know what it is you need to hear, but by asking for occult knowledge, you are asking for things that are far ahead. And again most step 1s are out there everywhere.
            Ahh frick it, I give you what you want. Look up The Book of Abramelin now to get anything out of that book you have to be a devote Christian or israelite, which again leads you to step 1 that's been out there forever.

            This. Lucky for most, they are too ignorant and the truths they didn't acquire just pass them by.
            [...]
            [...]
            Look at this homie. He got decent answers to help him deal with is illusions but then went "welp idk.... It's V2K!". You can not make people see, even if you spoon-feed them. Best case scenario is they ignore you worst case is they misunderstand you.
            If you want "occult-knowledge" sit down and try being present for 5 minutes. Read beginner stuff like Platonism or fundamental Buddhist texts, like another poster mentioned. You can't just start reading Fulcanelli and understand it without having a foundation. But the most important part is doing the work. The word is out. There are no shortcuts. The kingdom of Heaven is within. Come into the presence of God.

            See here.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting how you understand the concept of fundamentals in other places but then lose the ability to understand what those are later. By pointing to contradictory, largely worthless bullshit You're saying that most of what you consider step 1s are basic things that could be explained without the shit you do.

            Anon i'm tired of dealing with you, who's saying the fundamentals are in the "fake shit" and that you're gonna "get fricked" for studying? Cause i'm not. Your whole point is that gatekeeping comes from not being presented with the absolutely most efficient way to learn when there's not even a consensus on that, you're being delusional.

            If you're so scared of "wasting time" by studying "the wrong thing", then don't study, keep complaining, the only one losing is you. Many of us understand what's going on and have thousands of hours studying what you're referring to as "fake shit", and we're not crying about how the world is depriving us of an occult paradigm, we've already created one, studying and cultivating insight. And there's no way for me to be clearer about it than to directly providing a plan of action for you particular case as i've done in the message you've just quoted.

            Okay then, I'll be clearer to help you understand: I do not believe you. This is not how truth or knowledge works. I have tried my best to give you multiple different examples of teaching, knowledge, and how people are taught things, and you and everyone else's responses has been to deny every single basic facet of truth to claim that this is something completely different which doesn't work under any of the rules of truth, which is the same no matter how you learn it, where you learn it, what state of mind you're in, how willing you are to learn it, or who points you to it. My entire point, in as basic a manner as it could be is two things:

            Either what you are saying and doing is not the truth, or you are lying about the reasons why you do not clearly state things.

            Throughout this entire conversation people have simply resorted to admitting one or the other over and over again while not realizing that I've considered this discussion over around the third reply because everyone who's protested what OP has said has done so admitting one or the other in their desperation to come off as enlightened. At this point I just want people to admit
            >I don't fricking like normies, why the frick would I offer any help to anyone, frick off.
            Because that seems to be your only real reasoning hidden behind all the grandiosity

            Do you not have anything better to do? For someone that does not want to waste his time it seems like that is what you doing rn. So far you have not been satisfied with anything you've heard and most likely not learned something.

            I like getting confirmation that my thoughts about certain things don't come from nowhere. I do that by asking people to defend themselves, and seeing how they do it. If someone can't even defend the behavior I dislike I can only assume they have no justification for it, and my disdain is warranted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't even know what the frick you mean. homie you just want to argue. Step 1 for you is stop being a homosexual.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean what's right there. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not disdainful in the way I think they are, so I present my arguments and give them a chance to defend themselves. If they can't and resort to
            >Lol you just want to argue
            I assume they're admitting I'm right because they can't even prove me wrong. After all, no one just sits back and lets an easily proven point pass them by.

            imagine being this gay

            Imagine losing to someone you think is gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You still think in winning and losing. This is discourse for you, not education. Nobody has to justify themselves to you. You are not asking questions, you are judging, looking for someone to feed you with attention. You are possessed. Forgive your parents and the hate driven urge to argue will disappear.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you don't need to justify yourself, and you see absolutely nothing true about my claims, then you would ignore them with peace of mind that you're speaking to a complete fool. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm giving you and others the opportunity to prove to me that you aren't what I think you are, and you cannot. Look at how bravely all these guys came in to shit on OP and go "no you're wrong!" But when given the opportunity to explain themselves to someone being far more cordial than someone on this site should be, it just descended into straight up ignoring arguments, contradiction, and roundabout agreement to save face from having to actually admit the truth. If you don't believe in the dichotomy of winning or losing an argument your behavior would not be like this and you know it.

            https://i.imgur.com/27nV25I.png

            >losing
            lol what are you twelve? only thing I lost was time and internet bandwidth. go watch your cartoons.

            You lost an argument where you tried to prove something and failed. This ain't reddit. This whole "there's no losing and winning" shit is complete bullshit in a situation where we're having a discussion and trying to prove two different things. Only one of us ran off at a certain point to go "lol you're gay" instead of sticking by their convictions and proving that what they spent hours saying wasn't a complete cope and a lie. You lose by default, not just your time, but in the endeavor of trying to justify your behavior or behavior that you uphold as right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >losing
            lol what are you twelve? only thing I lost was time and internet bandwidth. go watch your cartoons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            imagine being this gay

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're misconstruing very simple points, do you think that if a "normie" with no physics background asks a physicist to teach him field theory, the physicist will throw a paper on scalar fields to him? That would be a waste of time for both of them because that "normie" won't understand anything, and even worse, they will generate false information through wrong conclusions due to them lacking a framework of understanding.

            It's the very same with someone who's studied an esoteric/magic model. Someone comes and says to you "hey how do i curse someone?", "hey what is God?". You can give them a summarized answer that will directly address the point and still they won't understand it, not only that, they will misconstrue it and try to beat you with it. You can't transfer knowledge to people if they don't have the adequate framework to integrate it. This isn't about some gatekeeping occult movement out of spite, it's just inconvenient to share information you've spent years cultivating to get it thrown back at you like it's hot garbage, so instead you give people the tools to build a framework for that information, but most of them hate that because they're lazy/impatient and want direct answers even if they don't understand them, they'll just keep asking the same shit until they get tired and deem "the occult" a waste of time and a scam.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Alot of the problem comes from merging and equating terms and concepts that are similar but not the same at all.
            Esoteric is not mysticism is not occult.
            Esoteric and occult are the easiest because they have more specific definitions.

            Esoteric is knowledge/info that only makes sense to those with extensive understanding. This is what I think you were referring to when you talk about "you can give someone the right info and it wont help because they will misconstrue it".
            Esoteric does NOT have to be spiritual. Pokemon has esoteric information that someone without extensive experience with Pokemon will not be able to understand. But many religious traditions will have esoteric information on spirituality.

            Occult means information that has been deliberately hidden or obscured from the uninitiated. It ALSO does not have to be about spirituality or mysticism, but that is what people generally mean when talking about "the Occult". The NSA declaring its databases classified is a form of occult information. It also was coopted by Crowley and the like as a label for their system of knowledge (which I find distasteful.) Occult info may or may not be esoteric, but the main thing the defines it is the intent to hide or obscure from outsiders.

            Mysticism is more vague, and my definition likely would be rejected by a lot of people. Still, I understand the mystical to be the subtle workings of material reality. Just as physics details the gross or easily observed processes of this reality, mysticism is the same study and manipulation but of the more astral/subtle energies. So things like divination, manifesting, siddhis, ESP, etc. - these can have exoteric and esoteric info about them, and they may or may not be occulted by people in an organization.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Being on x/ people tend to ask about these things with "magic" in mind, and magic models come with an esoteric vehicle and sometimes a mystic or/and occult vehicle too. For example someone interested in "magic" can study esoteric buddhist models on their own without the need of any mysticism or occultism. Someone who takes the qabalah path will need the esoteric and mystic model, but not necessarily occultism, specially if we're talking hermetic qabalah.

            I usually tend to just conflate it all under "magic" because that's where the common interest lies (usually) here, and then i might mention esotericism because it's the default vehicle in my opinion.

            >things like divination, manifesting, siddhis, ESP, etc. - these can have exoteric and esoteric info about them
            The issue with this is just with the exoteric information about these topics, specially something as complex as siddhis, you wouldn't get anywhere. This is typically the kind of people you see in here, they have the commonly acquired information about these topics and it's useless to them without the esoteric framework.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            >it's useless to them without the esoteric framework.
            Not just that, the practice itself lends to further understanding. Reading is not enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Being on x/ people tend to ask about these things with "magic" in mind
            Which I would understand to be talking about mystical things.
            >magic models come with an esoteric vehicle
            Mystical systems have exoteric and esoteric information. All systems do. Information that does not make sense to anyone but those with experience will naturally, inevitably emerge.
            >a mystic or/and occult
            Again - dont confuse these terms. ANY information deliberately hidden is occult. Magic MEANS mystical.
            Different systems of mysticism have different amounts of occult information, and some information that is occult in one system is freely available in another.
            >someone interested in "magic" can study esoteric buddhist models on their own
            They wont understand it. Esoteric REQUIRES the experience in the system. It by definition will not make sense to someone without that long and deep understanding.
            >I usually tend to just conflate it all under "magic"
            And that is what causes the confusion and why you say the things like above that are just wrong.
            >just with the exoteric information about these topics, specially something as complex as siddhis, you wouldn't get anywhere
            Nonsense. You will start engaging with the system. You HAVE to start with exoteric. It is only with that experience that you can understand esoteric information.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This. Otherwise you just become another /x/ spamming flagrant moron spouting nonsense about muh demiurge and muh prison planet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You HAVE to start with exoteric. It is only with that experience that you can understand esoteric information.
            Not always. You don't have to be a hardcore Christian or even sincere believer to start on grimoire magic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >to start on grimoire magic
            Esoteric info can only be understood after deep understanding.
            This isnt a "you SHOULDNT begin with esoteric info".
            This is "it is not possible to start with esoteric info".
            If you are starting a system, then by definition you do not have the deep experience and understanding of the system to understand its esoteric info.
            Grimoire magic as a system has exoteric info - which you get when you start reading - and esoteric - which you get as you persist and gain understanding.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >To try to describe a mystical experience is like trying to describe the scent of a flower; one cannot do it. The best one can do is tell the enquirer how best he can obtain the particular flower so that he can smell it for himself. If he cannot be bothered to follow your directions or flatly refuses to believe that the flower exists, there is nothing one can do about it.
            Here's few cool quote from A Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism by Gareth Knight. Besides hermetic flavor of Kabbalah the book touches all kinds of seemingly wacky shit. You know meditation right? It's quite similar in the way that you have to put effort in to get it. Thus in a way meditation is occult. Is meditation bullshit? It might as well be because you cannot prove the validity by just reading about it. It's explicitly about manipulating your inner world, which is something only (You) can judge.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That quote isn't applicable because if you want someone to smell a flower you tell them the name, how it looks, where it can be found, and what might look similar to avoid confusion. You don't point to a random garden and tell them it's somewhere in there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon i'm tired of dealing with you, who's saying the fundamentals are in the "fake shit" and that you're gonna "get fricked" for studying? Cause i'm not. Your whole point is that gatekeeping comes from not being presented with the absolutely most efficient way to learn when there's not even a consensus on that, you're being delusional.

            If you're so scared of "wasting time" by studying "the wrong thing", then don't study, keep complaining, the only one losing is you. Many of us understand what's going on and have thousands of hours studying what you're referring to as "fake shit", and we're not crying about how the world is depriving us of an occult paradigm, we've already created one, studying and cultivating insight. And there's no way for me to be clearer about it than to directly providing a plan of action for you particular case as i've done in the message you've just quoted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Perfectly put. This homie things he will get the manual to life, a step-by-step guide, in a EerieWeb post and b***hes at everyone telling him that it's not that simple. Meanwhile, there are so many step-by-step guides out there you just have to pick one and hustle, the truth is not pretty.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Look, esoteric models are presented and sold as products in this day and age through authors that have brought the archaic conceptual into a palatable normie shape. Want to find truth in buddhism after your 9 to 5? Go read Ingram. This applies with every model which i'm not going to exemplify here because it's a waste of time, you can do it yourself, there are dozens of mainstream authors in western models.

            After you're settled with the framework these authors provide in their respective models, feel free to confidently explore "original" or more ancient sources without fear of not understanding. Once again, THERE IS NO GATEKEEPING being forced upon you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I cant tell if you're playing along or just genuinely deluded.
            What are you not understanding? What is the content that you think is being gatekept? A general outline is enough. Whatever your answer is i can guarantee you it's either what i've already mentioned, some deluded magic formula bullshit and if it's not i can prove it's not gatekept by pointing at publicly accessible works that contain it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I cant believe how complex you fricks are making this, camling eachothers idiots

    TL;DR VERSION : the truth is obtained through inner workings, occult literature is opaque and obscure because it will then resonate with those who have done the inner working or are doing it... if you fricking spell it out in laymans terms then people who havent worked on shits will misunderstand them and then spread foolishness because they lack the inner working... and if you're impatient enough to beg for explanations or downright attack so called gatekeepers by projecting upon them a malevolent spirit, an air of superiority, you're only harming yourself in the end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I agree wholeheartedly. It's the exact reason we have a million sub-70 iq morons spamming EerieWeb about how everything that's ever been made with the subtlest hint of the occult is some kind of masonic luciferian message about satan. There's true evil, but teaching a moron to throw a rock won't teach him to throw it at the right people. He'll just start throwing rocks at cars and babies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But that's bullshit though. This is only the case because no proper framework is ever given to the masses of people to start understanding with. It's not like you guys point to principles one should start with, this is the equivalent of handing a normal person a nuclear physics textbook and then saying it's impossible to teach basic science to the masses because they can't understand it. Like OP said, if it was really the truth you'd want it known regardless of consequences.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A guru had finally decided a disciple had become purified and advanced enough in understanding to learn the deepest secrets.
    They brought them into a private location, and instructed the disciple to learn and memorize the hidden and most powerful mantra.
    They were warned to keep the mantra secret, and that great karmic consequence would come about from giving such a powerful tool to those considered unworthy.
    Some time goes by, and the guru is alerted to the strange actions of their disciple.
    The guru heads out to find the disciple in the village square, banging on pots and loudly shouting for everyone to please hear this powerful mantra and reciting the secret sounds to any who would give him a moment.
    Aghast, the guru demands that they stop and explain themselves.
    The disciple proclaims,
    If this mantra is indeed powerful enough to liberate any who speak it, then I will make sure as many know of it as possible, even if it means my own fate is sealed to hell.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So what did Michael Hastings find out before he got assassinated?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That traps are gay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I haved routinely thought about this same question since his death. I don’t think it was basic dc pedolitician corruption or even Epstein island type stuff. It seriously freaked him out and obviously got him murdered, and has been memory holed all together.

  17. 1 month ago
    no, buddy

    Some knowledge cannot be understood without the proper foundation and trying to understand it in that case can lead to a lot of mental harm. This is common knowledge even in mainstream practices like Buddhism and it is one of the main reasons secrets are kept. The other is a relic from the past, as people aren't often murdered for their spiritual beliefs in the western world (but they were for a long time).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Lucky for most, they are too ignorant and the truths they didn't acquire just pass them by.

      Source: V2K in your brain

      You don't know what they are. Stop LARPing and tell the truth

      Stop acting like they are possessed or don't have any will in this matter, they do. They are human beings acting consciously, and it's fricking annoying of you to pretend something else.

      At the end of the day what you're saying is " if you suffer it's your own fault and they'll try to make you suffer until you don't ".
      I'd love for the frickers to leave me alone, I'd love for the trauma that these people did to me to heal, but unfortunately it's very hard when you're literally schizophrenic because of their bullshit and your brain is constently sending PTSD thoughts on you.

      Look at this homie. He got decent answers to help him deal with is illusions but then went "welp idk.... It's V2K!". You can not make people see, even if you spoon-feed them. Best case scenario is they ignore you worst case is they misunderstand you.
      If you want "occult-knowledge" sit down and try being present for 5 minutes. Read beginner stuff like Platonism or fundamental Buddhist texts, like another poster mentioned. You can't just start reading Fulcanelli and understand it without having a foundation. But the most important part is doing the work. The word is out. There are no shortcuts. The kingdom of Heaven is within. Come into the presence of God.

      • 1 month ago
        no, buddy

        Bless you for sharing the good word my friend.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Another reason why occult stuff is coated in obscurity is because you have to understand it, you have to realize it. It is less of a how-to manual and more of a riddle with the purpose to make you understand once you solve it. That requires foundational knowledge that you have to acquire through experience.

        %26EnlightenmentSimplified
        This guy could tell you all these things, but if you don't have the patients to experience, it will go into one ear and out of the other.
        The truth is out their everywhere, but I see how it can be hard since there are a lot of lies as well but once you've broken through the first wall it becomes obvious, you'll then just have to do the work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Some knowledge cannot be understood
      FUUUUCK You. So tired of hearing and reading this bullshit. It's repeated everywhere from ancient texts to some nobody on a shitty website. If you think something can't be then it won't because of your thoughts. There's the big fricking esoteric occult knowledge right there. You think something won't happen? well then it won't until God proves you wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you think something can't be then it won't because of your thoughts
        >You think something won't happen? well then it won't until God proves you wrong.
        Which way?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The point is your thoughts limit your reality and sometimes it takes God to snap you out of it because you've stuffed yourself in a neat little box with walls named "cannot"

      • 1 month ago
        no, buddy

        It's not that it can't be understood, it's that it can be misinterpreted due to the limitations of language itself when discussing complicated topics. Misinterpreting these things can be dangerous for the individual and those around them. Have you ever seen someone read a dense scientific paper only to come out of it with a wrong understanding because they weren't qualified to read it? It's the same idea.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're making assumptions about others you don't even know. Knowledge is just information and it's up to each individual to find their Truth in it. Who are you to decide which information is complicated or not? Your assumptions about your fellow man disgust me and if you truly think information is too complicated for some buttholes then you should dedicate your life to bringing up those same buttholes to your level. Your way of thinking stims from ego and you're like a baby elite in training with no power. Dense Scientific Paper? LMAO FUUUUUCK Off

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You sound angry. You know that anger is evil possession.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            >You're making assumptions about others you don't even know
            No, I am making the assumption that I don't know who is reading my words here and so I can't be sure if they will hurt or help as it depends on the background of the reader. It is my responsibility to not let my ignorance harm others. I am not keeping secrets, I'm just watching my words for the sake of others. We teach those who are willing and capable.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then your goal should be to keep your words as simple and easily understandable to all, correct? Already you've talked to me about dense scientific papers like I should be scared of them. Fear is ridiculous especially when dealing with information, why do you want the two associated? A teacher should also know how to be a student so put yourself in their place and reduce your knowledge to simple terms easily understandable by all.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            That is one part of it yes. Even if I use simple language though, you have to remember that some of the pertinent concepts are far from simple. That approach will only lead to confusion for many. Again using scientific papers as an anology, imagine if they were all written without specialized terms or an understood historical precedent? Scientists then would have a hard time finding them useful as it wouldn't engage with their level of understanding or would do so in a wordy and hard to put together way.

            The message here is not to be scared of complex topics, but rather to be mindful of them and the limitations brought on by ignorance. Most anyone can learn to read such things given the right education and effort. Again though, I do not know who reading my words has had such an education or practice.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're pretending like you read scientific papers. If you do you'd know you don't read the whole fricking thing you read a summary first and then go into more detail. Teach people to read the summary, don't talk about it like it's a hard thing to understand!

            Your Ego is showing and it is grotesque to behold, I love it.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            If you only read the summary you won't understand important things like the sample size, the statistical method and the foundational sources. All of these play a role in understanding the merit of a study and this means that if you only read the summary you do not actually have a grasp on what the study learned. Just because they state a conclusion doesn't mean it is conclusive either, you also have to look at similar studies to place it in context.

            People who read the summary first, when it comes to spiritual matters, are at risk of hurting themselves and others. Take your time and do it right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're using a Limited Hangout (Scientific Papers) to describe your particular Limited Hangout (vague spiritual talk for acceptable people only)! You really need to develop a more modern scheme, sorry I mean plan to come up with more members. Hopefully you'll get more when they show some random interest in whatever shit nugget of knowledge you hold so dear.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            I have no interest in followers. In my mind a person helped is a person who doesn't need to follow anyone to be on the right path. Devotion should be a choice and it's not something I think people should choose to place in any person. I am not a fan of gurus.

            I am only drawing this analogy because it's important to understand in all matters of life. Without recognizing the double edge sword of ignorance one cannot develop well founded confidence in their beliefs. Worse, they may lash out at those trying to be helpful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then teach people to be humble in regards to knowledge! You've outlined how you enjoy gatekeeping knowledge through the use of a Scientific Papers analogy which shows your own pride. Humility will open the spiritual floodgates and you think that's too complicated information for some people.

            Again, your Ego is shining through the intelligent words you use like a beacon of moronation. You are not better than others and should not judge them.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            There is nothing I am unwilling to share if I know it is safe to do so. There is no gatekeeping involved, only a concern for the well being of others. The same action could be the result of ego for sure, but sharing knowledge is the same way - it can be selfless and it can be for ego. When sharing information is selfish (for instance not taking the ignorance of others into account and instead focusing on appearing knowledgeable) it is just as harmful as withholding information from those who could use it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you have knowledge but you don't feel safe to share. Fear again. How long do you want to go in this circle? Ego is your issue as you continue to judge those you worry about who are beneath you spiritually. You must feel quite smug walking around observing those poor fools you see next to you; if only they'd show some interest, You could help them!!

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            I feel plenty safe to share it with those who I know will understand me. Sharing with those who do not understand is not really sharing, and that is the source of the fear. I do not wish to lie to people without realizing it. I'm glad you think so highly of me that this doesn't occur to you, but I am just as limited as everyone else here. There is no smugness that comes from people who do not have the foundations I do, there isn't even pity. I love them and I try to help them to, and that means knowing the right time to share certain things - just as I am sharing my perspective with you right now.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Amen frick occultists in their b***h made faces

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody hides the occult. Nothing is hidden. There's just those who see and who cannot see.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer is the prince of the air because wifi and radios and shit.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's tough because they nailed the last guy to do what you say to a cross.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Be le heckin outsiderino
    >Get into the occult
    >It's like super available
    >Internet archive alone has a hundred dumps of occult literature
    >Keep pretending you are getting into super-secret hidden knowledge.
    >Make up mind one day to create yet another occult library tm
    >Yes
    >Just kinda organize it by organization and not subject matter, because you don't read it all or know heck about it
    >Spam x with requests for contributions
    >Upload it to the IA
    >Now there are 101 occult libraries on there.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It has to stay secret because if everyone is tugging reality in a million directions nothing manifests.
    The masses need to either stay meandering in neutral or unwittingly helping due to propaganda.

    And it's not like it's actually all THAT hidden. The people that deserve occult knowledge will find it. The intelligent, the questioning, the driven. It's bad enough that Bubba Joe Trailertrash, IQ of 84, gambling and alcohol addict and haver of 2 STDs and a kid out of wedlock, votes in elections, we really don't need him voting on reality. Consider it a literacy or driver's or ccdw test. If you can't pass it, you shouldn't be given the privilege to use it because you haven't demonstrated the appropriate competency and capacity for responsibility for something so important.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have the same opinion about blacks?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i have the same opinion about the black equivalent to bubba joe, of which there are many.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well spoken brother.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember how normalgays think “thou shalt not murder” is actually “thou shalt not kill”? Imagine them getting their hands on an Orphic orgy cult manual and thinking that snorting cocaine off a hooker’s ass while getting their prostate pounded by a twink wearing a goat head will give them superpowers. Gatekeeping is necessary because not everyone has the capacity to use the occult. If it were easily accessible to everyone, then some clown would let loose all kinds of demonic shit, and I don’t want to be dealing with that when I have better things to do with my current reprieve.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we don't deserve it. look at modern society. look at this thread. do these people deserve to know? no. morons deserve nothing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This thread is filled with people pretending to know and others trying to suck it out of them. It's like middle school where one goes "I know a secret, but I'm not going to tell you" and the other kid is desperately trying to get it out. Meanwhile, there never even was a secrete. There are no secrets haha.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lazy people thinking they get "the cure" to their problems by some occult knowledge. You will get nothing but pain. You know exactly what you have to do, just look inside. Stop running to fairytales.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't even want to know anything, I'm just pointing out bullshit where I see it. I don't care if people don't provide information to their super speshul club, I just want people to be honest and say what they're doing instead of lying and putting the blame elsewhere. I genuinely dislike when people attempt to push off responsibility for their behavior onto the target of it, and then use the consequences of their behavior as justification.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The intellect is not what will lead you to knowledge. Just more Thought Castles. Fugazzi Fugaycee.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you not have anything better to do? For someone that does not want to waste his time it seems like that is what you doing rn. So far you have not been satisfied with anything you've heard and most likely not learned something.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        perfectly said. it's pathetic and cringe really. endless walls of texts written by obese snot nosed neckbeards humble bragging they know the secret workings of life when they're really just fat slobs sitting in cum soaked chairs with shit stains waiting for the pizza man to bring them their daily cuisine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          At this point, it's really just one homie cherry-picking arguments.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      information should be freely available and accessible. "morons" will not access it because they won't want to. That's the jest of it. Stop hiding shit. There is no good reason to.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >information should be freely available and accessible
        It is
        >Stop hiding shit
        Nobody is

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And yet the Vatican has secret archives that only a few can access? And NASA edits images before releasing them to the public? Curious.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            >The nuclear launch codes are secret so spiritual teachings must be too

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Initiation is important. Iykyk.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MAGA

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>we have to gatekeep occult knowledge because... we just have to ok???
    Because when an army of 85 IQ tards get their hands on a body of esoteric works, they get filtered and run the reputation of the corpus into the ground by constantly prattling about shit they don't understand. And this turns off intelligent people, and kills the capacity of the corpus to save lives.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't anyone just explain it to me?

    • 1 month ago
      no, buddy

      No one here knows you well enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Explain what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This, explain what, people seem to be looking for something specific but it seems to me they're the ones gatekeeping everyone else from their intentions.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Asking /x/ for the truth is like asking a crap bum for legal advice

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the things people believe in are just psyops and it’s my favorite thing to just explain how nearly everything everyone believes is just flat out bullshit.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i would tell things to people if they weren't FRICKING FEDS KYS

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    /x/'s pathetic excuse for gnostics are a stain. as well as the "christian esotericists" and the nobody discord homosexuals. this is the best argument against throwing gold into a crowd. you all know exactly what normies and shithead abusers do with gold. sell it, contort it, and destroy it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ya know honestly Im not sure what the frick anyone is expecting coming to /x/ for anything but links to online libraries. Fricking morons here think cats are demons, there's no intelligent thought here.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, so that's what all the cat spam is. I thought it was their way of keeping that nobody BS as an open self-insert to indoctrinate more people. Maybe it doubles as both. The new "muh jester demons" of /x/.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          OPh I've purposefully avoided ANYTHING to do with that nobody crap the moment i saw it was just morons blog posting and "comfy" crap. Facebook tier moronation, and Im sure those gays go and cry reddit at people unironically too

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They do. Try mentioning their very real discord server and they sperg out and act elusive as if the old links aren't in the archive for all to see.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Christ /x/ is a joke, at least knowing they're all hypocrite is nice

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're rogue and lonely, but that's the Ronin way.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can put the truth in front of someone, but they will still find ways to lie to themselves about what they want to believe.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone should have the knowledge and bear the consequences
    cast pearls before swine

    best case: they wont get it
    worst case: they start messing around in the System32 folder of reality

    there is a reason why many wise man of history let themselves be asked questions by those who seek wisdom, by letting the aspiring truthseeker make the first move you can formulate the answer based on the individuals state of mind, thus respecting everyones level of enlightenment, one step at a time.

    durgs for instance just jump to some high tier lesson and it breaks people bc they werent ready for what they saw.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know whats actually far far more valuable than info, being able to figure it out yourself. Like what the frick you gonna do when shits just unknown? Oh right demand someone else figure it all out for you and then call them evil if they don't instantly give you their life's fricking work for nothing, well at least you didn't call them evil after hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Fricking slave think my god. How the frick you gonna know if someone isn't lying to you if you can't figure things out yourself, what you gonna do with all the power when something comes up they didn't prepare you for? Oh right fricking fail because you have 0 experience being able to figure shit out for your fricking self, which will be a disaster for you and everyone around you. Telling you that you have to do the "work" yourself is actually trying to PREVENT that moment from happening. Because when (not if) it does you will be adept at figuring out the truth and what the best course of action is by yourself, oh.... right.
    Here's the basics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgCh2Gui5M
    Here's just one of the main reasons why society is the way it is today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
    Here's something really cool that pretty much proves IMO modern day historians to be flat wrong about our past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2BaPfwgCys
    >I want someone else to dedicate their entire life to figuring out the mysteries of reality
    >You will then tell me everything
    >No I refuse to the same
    >If you don't do this you are an evil prick
    Like were you all corrupt fricking kings in a previous life or something like frick.. You want all the answers, which are not easy to figure out, yet refuse to do what you demand someone else do for you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the sane answer is what's the point in enlightenment if you just have someone do it for you yeah. The problem some people have is there working for something, and then there someone purposefully obscuring things as many occult groups do simply for the mystique, or in alchemy's case, an insane fear of anyone even remotely selfish finding it, when they then go onto say God would stop them anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are using a computer made by people who dedicated their entire lives to figuring out concepts for barely any gain in repayment. That same computer was made by dozens of poor fricks in bumfrick nowhere slaving away at assembling the pieces, or dying in mines. You do not truly believe this rhetoric because if you did you would never use knowledge you didn't come up with yourself.

      You're misconstruing very simple points, do you think that if a "normie" with no physics background asks a physicist to teach him field theory, the physicist will throw a paper on scalar fields to him? That would be a waste of time for both of them because that "normie" won't understand anything, and even worse, they will generate false information through wrong conclusions due to them lacking a framework of understanding.

      It's the very same with someone who's studied an esoteric/magic model. Someone comes and says to you "hey how do i curse someone?", "hey what is God?". You can give them a summarized answer that will directly address the point and still they won't understand it, not only that, they will misconstrue it and try to beat you with it. You can't transfer knowledge to people if they don't have the adequate framework to integrate it. This isn't about some gatekeeping occult movement out of spite, it's just inconvenient to share information you've spent years cultivating to get it thrown back at you like it's hot garbage, so instead you give people the tools to build a framework for that information, but most of them hate that because they're lazy/impatient and want direct answers even if they don't understand them, they'll just keep asking the same shit until they get tired and deem "the occult" a waste of time and a scam.

      I expect the physicist to throw him a basic physics textbook and then point out the normal path he took to learn those physics. You're the one who keeps changing the situation to be patently ridiculous when no one is asking you to do that. If you've noticed I haven't asked for any of these things, I have simply pointed out that even in the most ridiculous scenario such as the one you pointed out, if you truly gave a frick about educating anyone to mitigate harm, you would be doing it instead of sucking yourself off. No one is asking you to transfer knowledge, no one is asking you to do things for others, I am telling you to stop lying about the fact that you are taking advantage of people's unwillingness to be scammed and misled to claim that it's justification for why they do not deserve to have things taught clearly when you could easily remove the doubts and pitfalls assuming you were actually telling the truth or had knowledge. If your parents used this fricking logic you would be babbling like a moron and only capable of speaking English. The people in question ask for the path to a goal, instead of giving that you waste their time with a sea of contradictory bullshit and then claim they're lazy for recognizing the same tactics that can be found in scams and fake cults. It's no one's fault but your own that you aren't reasonably discernable, because no other pathway to truth that people wish to share needs this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Get your head out of your ass, you've never been specific about what you want and so i've given you a general guideline to follow in which you would've developed a framework for understanding the shit you're claiming is gatekept. What do you want to know? Make a list if you're so hard for efficiency.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont initiate anything but if a person mentions something related to the occult, I slowly guide him.

    You are either a Magician or a Sorcerer...

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    occult knowledge is like urban exploring in abandoned industrial buildings: you leave it as you find it, if you film you don't post the address, and you look out for, and know how to, not fall through a floor. You certainly not hold a garden sale for an unguided babbies first urban exploring adventure.

    silence is for protecting yourself and your occult knowledge, about protecting or constructively communicating with others, and about protecting "the game" which youve just lost, i didnt make the rules.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >occult knowledge is like urban exploring in abandoned industrial buildings
      Stupid and pointless and can get you in trouble or kill you, but if it gives you a giggle - go ahead.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing to find. Anything which an occultist or esoteric practitioner will hold to be "secret" can be discovered independently through dialectic or reason.
    You live in an age where almost all works of philosophy ever written are instantly available to you. If you want to find the truth the tools are at your fingertips. Just don't expect to find out how to cast fireball or some shit.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Magic has already been brought to the masses in an easily understandable and beginner friendly way. No one is obscuring the knowledge, people just refuse to believe it. Intentions and belief are the core of magic. If you're going through it saying, "This shit better work" it won't. You have to change your mindset. "This shit will work." It's kinda like hypnotism. If you go into hypnotherapy saying "I'll never be hypnotized" guess what? You won't be. You need to accept that it is possible for it to happen. Just start working on your vision board, anon. That's beginner magic.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not spoon-feeding the masses but leaving the information everywhere and easily accessibly is hardly gatekeeping.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only occult secret is how a few can screw over the many. And it wouldn’t be a very useful secret if everyone was in on it.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    State of being in or having no fear? Oblivion?

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >because we just…ok??
    You can see the result of non gatekeeping in witchtok moronicness.
    From “hexing the moon and trump supporters” to making up bullshit about “cultural appropriation and you can’t burn sage if you are white”
    Gatekeeping is good because plebs don’t deserve anything, and they ALWAYS corrupt and destroy everything they touch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Adding to that, the gatekeeping occult resulted in “Do what thou wilt” and now thanks to moronic plebs we end up in “oh so and so is member of this culture? Then you can copy it!!!”
      See? Plebs ruin everything. They went round and round and made more limitation into their own self made occult religion
      Plebs are just slaves. They can’t be free. Even when you tell them that they are gods, even when you tell them that their free will is the law, they still bound themselves to bullshit made up morality.
      They deserve to be ignorant

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They can’t be free. Even when you tell them that they are gods, even when you tell them that their free will is the law, they still bound themselves to bullshit made up morality.
        >They deserve to be ignorant
        ...
        you fear them, you know they wont accept evil
        never forget that you hide your hand because you fear them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lol what?
          The most corrupt evil individuals are plebs.
          Have you seen Reddit witches? Witchtoks? Those people will curse you (would have killed you if their hexes worked) over anything. They wanted to kill trump supporters, anti abortionists, basically anyone who didn’t bow to their ideology (and it keep shifting)
          Those people are not good people.
          Gatekeeping keeps the evil impulsive plebs away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Those people are not good people.
            >Gatekeeping keeps the evil impulsive plebs away
            fair assessment unfortunately, and I agree. but hypocritical if you are judging these "gods" to your level of morality while also criticizing the masses for having "bullshit made up morality".
            which is it?
            they suck because they have strict ("made up") morality, or because they don't have morality?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They suck because they have a made up morality.
            A “god” wouldn’t give a frick about what others are doing. A god wouldn’t curse everyone and anything Becuase their opinions are different.
            a god wouldn’t give a frick.
            Take Crowley for example. homosexual as frick, added an entire level to oto homosex. Yet didn’t give a single frick about “homosex” perception in public. He didn’t care other homos are prosecuted. He didn’t become political about it.
            He did his shit and left it at that.
            Meanwhile you got people in witchtok that are so entangled in bullshit morality that would start killing people left and right if they were able to.
            Ofcourse to an extreme end, even human life would be pointless and so taking it randomly. But they are not doing it “just because”
            They curse people because of “politics”
            They are the most pathetic yet dangerous (if had power) humans and they are because they are plebs with no impulses.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trump is OWNED by israelites. His Israeli masters own him since he went bankrupt with his shitty casino.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is being gatekept. You are just moronic

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?si=4qYiDZDivCgN4fpR

    Here you go. There's never been gatekeeping, you're just too moronic to look beyond form into formless. The real Gate is connecting to the higher consciousness, nobody is keeping that from you but yourself.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look to the grass and think of every blade of grass, how lucky and grateful it is to be there.
    Think of the seeds that never made it, that through misfortune often times not their own fail. Think of the seeds that fail because of the other seeds starving them.
    The grass is happy that they have theirs much like your gate keepers are happy they have theirs.
    Truth can be found in anything and anywhere, masters of truth don't exist among men.
    You can find the same answers they found all on your own, I promise.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gatekeep occult knowledge
    you look to people who have done years of research and think they are gatekeeping because they are unable to bring you to their level of understanding in the minutes you are willing to dedicate.

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