This common meme is posted as a response to Gnostcisim.

This common meme is posted as a response to Gnostcisim. It is a gross oversimplification that only a Hylic would post it as an excuse to ignore an uncomfortable reality.

Nobody says that the beauty of the world is evil. We say the evil of the world is evil. However, we say that the beauty of the world is merely an imitation that the Demiurge has trapped with us inside this world, where there is a spark of the pleroma.

According to Plato, the real heaven is not the mountain but the feeling of awe that you feel about the mountain, is heaven. We are merely borrowing from the forms.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Demiurge has trapped us here inside the cave, shown us little slices of the pleroma, as shadows dancing on the wall, and then he says you must be grateful for HIS creation. No, he is merely borrowing from the forms, giving us just enough of a trace of it to keep us addicted and coming back.

    The reality is that when we escape from here, we realize that everyone on earth was counterfeit, a pale imitation of the pleroma. All beauty, love, and good is a just a reflection, a shadow on the wall, of the true pleroma, which he has kept hostage from us, in order so that he can larp as the one true God.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The reality is that when we escape from here, we realize that everyone on earth was counterfeit, a pale imitation of the pleroma. All beauty, love, and good is a just a reflection, a shadow on the wall, of the true pleroma, which he has kept hostage from us, in order so that he can larp as the one true God.
      so when we escape are we just floating there existing and feeling estatic?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Presumably the spark of pleroma that animates you returns to the perfection it departed from. Whether this means "you" take your place as a brick in the most perfect wall or become your most perfect self is unknown.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Presumably the spark of pleroma that animates you returns to the perfection it departed from. Whether this means "you" take your place as a brick in the most perfect wall or become your most perfect self is unknown.

        You get to do whatever you want to do, go to whatever reality you want. The buddhists called some of this pure land.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have no idea, honestly. I'm just speculating. I tentatively subscribe to the belief that "we" are animated by fragments of pleroma trapped within bodies. These fragments are the ejecta from pleroma when the Demiurge was expelled. This energy could be anything from souls to a leaf from a perfect tree. If I got to go to whatever reality I want, it could not exist in pleroma. I crave and desire facets of this material reality, which are imperfect no matter how much I like them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The flesh is quite capable of animating itself, it doesn't require any spirit to do that. The gnostic theory of the origin of the demiurge seems flawed. Maybe it's more likely that we decided to come to this reality so that we could do evil, and thus got locked out temporally from the pleroma and everything else. To get back there it requires the total rejection of evil, or something.
            > I crave and desire facets of this material reality, which are imperfect no matter how much I like them.
            You can go to a pure land where everything you like is there but no suffering etc. you need to start thinking outside the box

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The demiurge invented civilization and society to detract man from God's creation (nature).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I tend to view this place as a prism that shattered my mind and turned it inside out, projecting its true light onto the walls of a labyrinth. The reason I came here was because I ran away from something, and now intend to repair my shattered mind. I don't agree that I was dragged here by another entity, I don't feel that at all. I chose or otherwise accepted being projected here. There was never any love component, nor any of this that is so perversely injected into this topic... I came here because I had to do something, but had no intention of returning after this. I never bought into the multiple lifetimes thing, though it did seem I'd been here before, so I knew I had to get out.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't agree that I was dragged here by another entity, I don't feel that at all.
            This does implicitly suggest that the plerama beings are not omnibenevolent, or perhaps there's no omnipotence.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, the assumption that your higher layers are, or were originally, omni x3/4, is flawed. There is no basis to assume this. They may have had access to it, but that doesn't mean they themselves are it.

            WhatI will say is my sense of the primordial basis was that it knew everything about "me". Past, present, future, and from its perspective it was just a few snapshots that could be compressed down to the size of a pinhead. I didn't have any sense of whether it was omnipotent, or benevolent from my perspective. It's omnipresent in the sense that it's everywhere I am, and no matter where I go some sense of my base awareness and intention is still there, and pieces can be sent off so I'm here and somewhere else.

            Too many presuppositions come out of the omnis and love and infinite light and so on. I'm not mocking these ideas, I'm just saying they're not inherent axioms.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also I agree with the "fountain of infinite mirrors" concept. That's what I've experienced. The world is, or can be made to behave like, a highly diffuse kaleidoscopic hall of mirrors. This is why the world creates an inner labyrinth for you, to disguise this. Outside the labyrinth is just a ring of mirrors and there are so many points of coherence that it becomes fairly obvious that it's your thoughts and intentions that are causing things to coallesce in acertain way. Something just watches and gives you more of whatever you react to the most. That's why "Eve" (sensory reality, fantasy dream world) is made from part of "Adam" (conscious mind), while Lilith (anima, bridge to unconscious) is of equal material but is cast out (made fully unconscious) and creates things on Earth (your unconscious mind in totality). So many allegories about the same thing.

            >In the sense that you have to reincarnate over and over to somehow "level up".
            This is the worst and stupidest idea and all buddhists push it. They're very scared of you knowing that you can just leave without doing all the monk work and whatever, do it as a layman. Do you think the original Buddha actually said it? We know how much Jesus' teachings got ruined, maybe they ruined his too. It doesn't seem to be the doctrine of Pythagoras.

            >This is the worst and stupidest idea and all buddhists push it
            Yeah. the Earth school / lessons thing never really clicked with me. I didn't have any reason to reject it initially, I just didn't believe in it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's separate to the new-age idiocy about learning lessons, buddhists say you can't leave nirvana in one lifetime, you have to level up continually each life and also do what they say. They don't want people to know that they can exit whenever they want.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well you know here's the thing though.... I've observed the exact same trend in the reincarnation soul trap spheres. As soon as I begin to become "lucid" to this dream world and consider waking up, I'll be kind of funneled or directed into somewhere that's trying to tell me the same thing froma different angle. ie blah blah blah, there's a soul trap and you're tricked by the light to return, HOWEVER you must make the best of it and wait for the physical body to die and then try to leave.

            Now look I get it, they don't want to eb responsible for people killing themselves. However there are so many presuppositions baked into that. The first is that the physical body really is an inescapable energetic sink and that it has to dissolve before you can escape its binding effect. Which implies that you can't just wake up at any time. You have to wait, you ahve to stay here.

            The second thing is that you need to elarn as much as possible while you have a physical body, otherwise you'll be tricked and reincarnated. Sound familiar?

            The third is that manifestation etc are just tricks by the matrix, don't try to do that, oh no. It's a trick they drip feed you and play along with when you're getting too desperate!

            The fourth is the assertion that your real basis, your "soul", is eternal and immortal. For all you know it isn't. Yes it certainly feels that way, but this world makes a lot of experiences that feel this and that way, and it tries to tamper with your memory as well. They want you to think that because they're draining the energy out of it and need you to stay hypnotized and asleep while they do it. They're basically eating your real body and just telling you that it's immortal. Mind you I don't want to be responsible for anyone kms'ing either, but I do mean it genuinely when I say if the body is a sort of projection then destroying it may damage the source as well.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You should keep in mind that this idea of being tricked to reincarnate and the white light doing it isn't mentioned in any ancient gnostic text nor platonic. Not sure about anything eastern though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In the Orphic mysteries (forerunners to Gnosticism) they instructed people that upon death they must not drink from the river Lethe as others are told to do (which would wipe their memory and force them into rebirth) but to drink from the Mnemosyne instead which would retain their memories. I feel like some of this lives on through Christ offering us the cup of His living water maybe.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I never bought into the multiple lifetimes thing
            In the sense that you have to reincarnate over and over to somehow "level up". I also assumed I wiped my own mind because memory is a burden and the vessel can't contain it anyway. So I had to see without seeing, know without knowing, and do without truly realizing. Otherwise it would not have been possible. I experienced the same thing here on Earth, sinking me down yet another layer. There is a primordial basis beneath the core self that simply watches quietly (and I suspect exists outside of space and time), and a higher self that watches over the rest of the mind and works with it. This and other things prevent me from going too far off track. The thing is though, you ahve to question you really are the hidden hand and the script writer, so I don't completely trust it either.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In the sense that you have to reincarnate over and over to somehow "level up".
            This is the worst and stupidest idea and all buddhists push it. They're very scared of you knowing that you can just leave without doing all the monk work and whatever, do it as a layman. Do you think the original Buddha actually said it? We know how much Jesus' teachings got ruined, maybe they ruined his too. It doesn't seem to be the doctrine of Pythagoras.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I see this amazing girl often, I don't really know her but I see her interact with people around me, and she seems like a good and kind soul, soft spoken, very loving, well raised, modest, very pretty and would likely make a very good wife and mother. Often times women who are this good looking don't have very good and loving souls.
      She seems to have most things I could ever want in a woman but I have no chance with her and she also has a boyfriend around her age. I am twice her age and a broken soul.

      Just the realization that I will never have such kind and loving souls in my life is very painful.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        better kys, quick before the demiurge touches ur dick!

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    God it really is just complaining about what little good we do have and complicated suicide..

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism is not incorrect with its observations, they are spot on. Just like Buddhism. But they both forget that there is a mechanized purpose behind it. Yes, even if we die, and we get sucked up by soul-jester-psychos or whatever, it's a part of the process.

    It's really that simple guys. For all the good, there has to be an equal amount of bad. That's the Law. That's the way it is. And I think if we die and learn enough to advance to higher levels, it's gonna be the same story there.

    We're here to learn. You need the good and the evil to do both. I laugh because OP image is a fantastic summarization of what snapped me outta nihilistic Gnostic interpretations, which only lead to desperation and despair.

    Again, they aren't WRONG, but the next question must logically become "what now?" and instead both sides go "No, this is bad. I shall escape!"

    I don't think it's the right look.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's gonna be the same story there.
      They will train you to be an archon, and then, a star being, they also need angels to guide people through the judgment. There are all kinds of entities involved in the process.

      There is no escape, but we can be promoted.

      If you talk about escaping, they will look at you like you are mentally ill, the way people look at you if you say you're suicidal here.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        "If you aim for the king, you best not miss"
        If you are really aiming to leave from this world and return, you have to do so with every ounce of your being, otherwise they will just toss you into hell for being useless.

        They respect the ones who actually try, who grind away, who participate in life. Those people are promoted. Gnostics are treated the way actual criminals, murderers and rapists are, they are sent to hell because it's heretical.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wishing for the respect of demons is insane. If you're subject to the mercy they don't have hoping for it after you've already been used up is a pipe dream assuming any of this is real.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You totally and completely get it. Even if I believe that I "get it" in this moment I'm still really absorbing the reality that this...is it. Might take me a whole lifetime to accept it but its the truth.

        And you're right. I can only fathom. Talking to higher beings about "escaping" - it would be absurd when you realize this machination is all-encompassing, necessary, and will happen whether we want it to or not.

        I hope to work with you in the next life friend.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i guess not all of us have that conquerors haki
          the haki to not yield to dog job
          to instead be free from everything
          don't you want freedom?
          you want to remain dog for eternity?

          isn't it better to take risk and become free, than be eternal dog?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is no measure of freedom you could ever attain that would resemble true freedom. I'm sorry to say it, I've had a hard time, for the longest time, accepting it. But the Truth is the Truth.

            Modern esoterics irk me the most with the Left-Handed path shit because they think "Oh, wait, I don't wanna become an Egoless part of The All again, i want to retain my individuality! Better do wicked evil shit so I can resist eventual discombobulation through sould crystalissis-or-whatever!!"

            Why do you think we have that "false sense" of ego now, in this reality? For it to just dissipate at the end of the day? UTTER ABSURDITY!!

            It's for a PURPOSE. ALL IS FOR A PURPOSE.

            Trust in the purpose. That is my advice.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't wanna become an Egoless part of The All again
            what makes you so sure you're going to become that by following these false masters? didn't other anon already say, that they're training humans to be soldiers in space wars, or to be archons/wardens in this prison for their own progeny (if they had children)?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, you touch on a great point. There are many "masters" of that unseen realm that guide our everyday thoughts and actions. The djinn, spirits, angels, demons, whatever...they're real. They depend on us in a way that we depend on them - it truly can be considered a "parasitic" relationship along the Gnostic sense, but I look at it more as "symbiotic" and ultimately unavoidable.

            So, with that said, even as I read and try to learn more about "that world" - the only faith and trust I have is in God. The All. The one "spirit" you can physically see with your eyes because every single THING you see here is the Creator. I wish I could explain it better than that. When you get it, you get it.

            You pray, you humbly ask, and you receive. That is what I have experienced, and that is what I believe.

            Do you believe in karma? Why do some people get to be born in privilege, and others just born to suffer? Why should we participate in such a rigged game?

            Another great question. Karma is something that I logically believe is possible. However, I believe Cause & Effect is FACTUAL and ETERNAL. So, to answer your question, if karma is another fancy term for Cause and Effect, then absolutely. Irrefutably. An All-knowing Creator that could see all points of creation would be able to explain every thought, choice, action, feeling, and emotion of every aspect of Creation. Easy. Doesn't seem illogical to me at all in the least.

            Personally, it is this aspect that brought me back into the fold the most. I was troubled, all my life, by the same prepositions you supposed.

            Reincarnation has to be real for Cause & Effect to be justified. And our suffering in each life as paying penance for the actions of a prior life? Makes perfect sense. Real talk, I'd say that's the breaking point for a Gnostic; how they deal with suffering.

            Was it incurred in the past (and can I ACCEPT that I don't immediately remember the pre-condition of my past life that incurred that karma because it would interfere with my CURRENT life) or not?

            That's the question sir.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting, it is like he puts us through it over and over till we get it right, like the movie Groundhog Day

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well hey, Abrahmic faiths would have it that you get a one-and-done shot, either Paradise or eternal Hellfire.

            I wish it was that easy friend, I truly do. But our Father has patience. I thank him for this patience. I don't eagerly look to 1000 more incarnations with glee and unwavering happiness but I no longer think that I'm a "bad person" for feeling like that and, ultimately, it's "part of the process."

            We know that this current plane of reality is a small part of the greater whole. That is undeniable, even from a layman's science perspective (space between particles in atoms, blah blah blah). How utterly stupid it is to assume that we have the purview to judge the significance of creation in any way. We have not earned the right yet. Much left to do first.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nta, but karma, or cause and effect, is merely the consequence of our free will, and this world is as it is because of man and its conflict with itself. A soul born to a rich home isn't born there through a lottery ticket, but from the deeds of their parents. That soul was going to be born from those two parents no matter what for the body reflects the soul.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            No, hylics are NPCs. They are just here to test you in various ways, and they are early-level souls, upgraded from animals. Actually you are meant to be awaken to the Gnostic system, but then with this knowledge, choose to participate and do good with your every breath to help improve things. Step one is give up your ego. The ego that made you think that you can go mono e mono with the creator.

            Post a single gnostic text that says anything about this "ego death" homosexualry that gets pushed so hard. Gnosticism is not buddhism.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            P.S. Very cute for one to think they can be a conqueror when they are the very result of a designer that imbued them with every quality, every experience, and every thought for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

            "But that violates Free Will doe!"

            Yeah, it kinda does. but it also kinda doesn't, because that illusion consumes us enough in the 3rd dimensional space to become OUR reality.

            Does that mean our Creator is an butthole who's deceiving us? I think not! Lessons. There are countless Lessons we must learn before one day, many eons from now, we got "Oh!" and then, in that moment, head to the next stage.

            It's the way it is friend. I'd rather not fight against my Father - I'm too thankful for the goodness he gives me everyday.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you believe in karma? Why do some people get to be born in privilege, and others just born to suffer? Why should we participate in such a rigged game?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the worst mentality to have, because you're willing.

      Can't you see that it's all a game of becoming. What your soul can become is what is, and there is no limit to what it can become.
      Just as there is no limit to how low you can be brought, especially if you're willing to become it.

      Why does everyone think this mundane life is actually the end game?
      All of these coping mechanisms to accept a low state of being is the deception. Many people believe in an energy farm, but I say it's an acceptance farm.
      If there's any deeper purpose to it it's to stop accepting it and wake up to what your soul already knows deep down, that it doesn't want to be here.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are probably ways to get Gnosis in 10x faster of an amount of time without requiring a body. Souls probably try to influence people to level up faster. Similar to gambling addicts here. Gnostics just want to cheat their way out. The people who earn it are the ones who actually participate. You may even make fun of them and call them Hylics. They will be the ones judging you in the end.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They will be the ones judging you in the end.
          If you believe in a reality that works this way then you already believe in your own slavery.

          And if you were totally honest with yourself you would immediately realize that you don't want reality to work that way. You just believe it because you're afraid to believe in yourself, and the consequences you've been conditioned to believe of someone else "judging you in the end".

          If that's what you sow within your soul then that's what you'll reap, and you will be judged. But if instead you plant a reality of sovereignty, then you will reap sovereignty.
          There is no "way it's supposed to be". You define what you're supposed to be. Don't let someone else define it for you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cope, you gnostic gays are more demiurge then the devil

          No, hylics are NPCs. They are just here to test you in various ways, and they are early-level souls, upgraded from animals. Actually you are meant to be awaken to the Gnostic system, but then with this knowledge, choose to participate and do good with your every breath to help improve things. Step one is give up your ego. The ego that made you think that you can go mono e mono with the creator.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you that sad homosexual form yesterday who hates his brother?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Step one is give up your ego
            >currently stroking his ego hard thinking hes better than everyone
            How do you people function under so many levels of irony?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because Gnosticism is a trap. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

            >everything else works by the laws of the divine.

            Yes, the divine that just so happens to experience Godhood on this plane and feast upon all our loosh. He is totally not evil, it is all for our own good. No, we are meant to be Hylics, and Gnostics are actually the ones breaking the system and it is why people like you are trying to stop us. You know that we're onto you.

            You are so spiritually lost, you people are like
            demonically possessed.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >demonically possessed.
            That is hylics

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Esl?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no rebuttable
            i win

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Win what moron? I thought existence was suffering.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >abandons all pretext to conversaion to jsut shout I win and runs away
            The enlightened of Gnosticism

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >abandons all pretext to conversaion
            You mean the anon asking him if he's esl?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. Hylic

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't deserve to be happy
          >If you want to stop being tortured, you're cheating
          This is actual mental illness

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >your soul can become is what is, and there is no limit to what it can become.
        ding ding ding, we have a winner

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's a real cool story and all but clearly there's got to be limits right...

          are you living your perfect, 100%, unfathomable, dream life right now? Of course you aren't.

          And that's OK. By design.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >are you living your perfect, 100%, unfathomable, dream life right now?
            no because I'm not living in my own world. I'm living in a world with ruleset of another entity that probhibits my freedom. My observer is attached to my body when the body is in wake state, but where does my observer go when the body needs sleep? What is that "dream state"? I find that particular state highly suspicious, is that when some sort of reprogramming occurs?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Observer

            Ah my friend I feel we walk such similar paths right now its hilarious lol....let me tell you what I think. Short and sweet. You're not wrong with the "observer" aspect. What is really is like, is that you're in a car, BEHIND the steering wheel (not the passenger), but the steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake are all on auto-pilot. You just don't know that, won't know that (outside of some crazy drug-induced, meditation-induced, or schizophrenia-induced epiphany), and that's how it is.

            Meanwhile, there are PASSENGERS in this car, that will go in and out while the car is moving, the entire car ride. How they can do this, the actual "specifics" - good luck on getting that. But anyways, some passengers will stay longer than others the more you acknowledge them, and ultimately these passengers will directly influence how well or unwell you think this "car-ride" is ultimately going.

            The spiritual "gurus," ultimately, at the very end of the day, realize they have passengers in that life-car and simply RIDE ALONG WITH THEM - when you get here, then YOU no longer just stay the Observer, but with the power of the Creator within you, become and Actualizer. I digress from the Buddhist/Gnostic interpretation that says "hey I figured out you guys I'm just gonna ignore it all and get to samsara dude!" because I think it's ultimately impossible, impedes learning, and just brings you right back for another round once you die (since that's not the point and why we are here in the first place).

            Anyways, after a time, you start being able to "change the minds" of the passengers in your car a bit.

            Again friend, all theory. I haven't mastered my "passengers" yet in any way, but I sure as hell know they're there now and I also know that I was put in this car for a reason, so God-willing, I'm gonna drive this thing (even if I'm ultimately not driving it).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If there's a grand plan of turning humans into robots, then I want not be part of that plan

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If there's any deeper purpose to it it's to stop accepting it and wake up to what your soul already knows deep down, that it doesn't want to be here
        >I know whatbyou want better than you do.
        I chose this, homosexual. I want this and if I have a way out I'll choose to return here. I fricking love the Samsara.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's really that simple guys. For all the good, there has to be an equal amount of bad. That's the Law. That's the way it is.
      Why?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't the way it is, and even if it were, there's no reason why that's the way it always has to be

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather be a rule breaker.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What all gnostics failed to understand is that nobody is stopping the demiurge who is enjoying himself and taunting them
      I respect the idea of escape but most people better submit if they are not going to mut an effort.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The world need to be shit for their cult to work, if they could fix things they cant complain endlessly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no? the feeling of bad is produced for a definitive reason, it is made by our bodies to tell us what to avoid, ie getting torn apart by wolves would feel bad, and is scary, so we know will be bad before haveing seen it directly.
      if it werent for these feelings of badness illuminating the world around us, while we may still be able to discover what is bad we would typically die.

      if we were to remove all bad things from the world, the purpose of the feeling of badness would no longer exist, and so like a vestigial organ the ability to feel badness would fade away to nothingness

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You were never a gnostic to begin with. Maybe you thought you were, but you never truly believed in it. You probably don't believe in anything.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want some real gnosis. Learn about Sophia, touch some trees, read and listen to John Lam Lash.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ this shit is cringey as frick, just more ego stroking

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is because Gnosticism is the libertarian of souls.
      >"I don't have to participate. I am a free soul!"

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A message to the gnostisissies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, it's kind of absurd to think that the All created an aspect of evil/chaos that is not within its control and purpose. It's offensive. Gnosticism just got overly-obsessed with the bad parts of living, which, by the fact that they exist, also equally permit the best parts of living.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean yeah it falls apart completely when you think about it hard enough, but its essentially just turned into the official doomer religion in the last century or two, another "everything is awful, instead of trying to fix anything lets just quit entirely.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, then explain child cancers. Explain that woman with 5 kids, that got murdered while delivering Uber. This world is far too random, chaotic, and evil to be part of a master plan. Gnosticism at least has logic to it why there is evil, because the Demiurge has held us hostage so that he can run this little larp. His karmic system is probably based on how much of a good little NPC that we all were too.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >His karmic system is probably based on how much of a good little NPC that we all were too.

            Being Gnostic would be the ultimate sin to him, because it denies his godhood.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jokes on you I Had cancer as a kid homosexual, gods gift of the knowledge of medicine saved my ass. No humans are random, everything else works by the laws of the divine.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everything else works by the laws of the divine.

            Yes, the divine that just so happens to experience Godhood on this plane and feast upon all our loosh. He is totally not evil, it is all for our own good. No, we are meant to be Hylics, and Gnostics are actually the ones breaking the system and it is why people like you are trying to stop us. You know that we're onto you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dehumanizing everyone who disagrees with you is pretty fricking ignorant for someone who thinks they're supposedly enlightened.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Okay, then explain child cancers.

            They are all fine, you think that our creator doesn't take care of them?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes but their fear and suffering is real to them when they are here. No god is able to make that right. They still had to live through that, even if they get a prize at the end of it. There is no argument that the Demiurge's system is right in any way.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >demonically possessed.
            That is hylics

            So is everyone else, you ducking morons just want everything to always 100% be perfect, completely missing the point of what existing is and only paying attention to everything bad and dismissing anything good because the bad exists, which is so myopic I can't believe you can say you're "enlightened" without collapsing into a black hole with the weight of the irony you produce.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You'd fit right in with the doomer crowd on /misc/, crying constantly and doing nothing to fix it while feeling superior to people because thinking everything is shit is apparently some huge secret thing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't believe in good master plan
            >THEREFORE IT MUST BE A BAD MASTER PLAN

            Gnostics are truly bottom-tier morons. At least the beliefs the christ followers get wrong lead them to push towards good regardless of the truth, you idiots just believe your own lies and poison the good this world actually does have in your quest for nothing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you’re afraid of nothing then jokes on you

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We live in a world built by man, fooled into building it worse by evils that were built by man. We build with more than just our hands and thoughts.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We
            Stop with this rhetoric to make us feel guilty for what other people have done

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We
            can also change it.
            Don't feel guilty, don't apologize. Focus on making your own tiny world a better place one day at a time. That's all you need to do if you want to see this all change.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The world and this reality is controlled by everyone, there's no improvement. Who even cares. This reality is fake ugly garbage.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This reality is fake ugly garbage.
            Maybe in yours.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Have you never seen human anatomy? It's hideous, it is ugly and grotesque. That hot girl you're attracted to? She sits on the toilet for extended periods all the time, and bodily fluids gushes out of her throughout the day once a month. That's just a small part of the ugliness of this reality. As OP said this is a fake and gay imitation of something good.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh hey an actual case of body dysmorphia

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            its always the same shit "we are killing the planet!" "we are incapable of peace" "we are responsible for all of us".
            it just ends up being the launching point for hegelian dialectics that wouldn't make any fricking sense otherwise.
            I'm just not doing any of the fricked up shit that they're selling in any of these crisis tier psyops.
            the degenerated cultures problem was manufactured, that's the only really crisis, and all I really did was not criticize it enough when I was in my full normie life and I didn't LARP as the Punisher and earn a prison term for it (i did paint my van black and considered it)
            but as far as we know the people responsible for it or guilty of those crimes against humanity have yet to be seen facing justice.
            Can we get to the other side of this hegelian dialectic already?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            when I was in afghanistan our fob housed a provincial governor, a former warlord turned ally, and his little homosexual warlord militia that we let LARP as afghan soldiers in old retired surplus US military uniforms and called allies were rewarded by their governor (ex-warlord scumbag) with bacha bazi.
            they weren't even really allies, we had guards at night to keep watch so they didn't murder us in our sleep.
            frickin opium trade was booming. I have shit to be guilty about but none of it has to do with negligence in protecting or being good to my own people.
            is this like some kind of karma? I didn't murder the fricking scumbag ANA so the universe manifested a scenario where the elites of my own country were raping and murdering kids?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            and the fricked up thing about the opium trade, is that I had family that was utterly ruined by heroin addiction ruined my life, I'll never do the family thing myself. Don't know how. I got conned into guarding that opium pipeline that ruined americans. as far as I can tell that's the only reason our government gave a shit about afghanistan.
            that's my guilt and there's my confession, JC if you're listening. I didn't do the right thing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Stop with this rhetoric to make us feel guilty for what other people have done
            This. It's actually victim blaming done by demons (same as rape victims)

            Those who fall for it, and blame humanity, are influenced by said demons

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I mean yeah it falls apart completely when you think about it hard enough
            What do you mean? To me this sounds like an answer from some normie without real pain in life, or whom managed "spring back up" by whatever means.

            >world horrible place? IoB? 6G? JQ? Human trafficking? cannibalism of children?
            >oh but i got back on feet, with help of my social circle, so it mustn't be that bad after all! just pull yourself up by your bootstraps anon.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it's kind of absurd to think that the All created an aspect of evil/chaos
          no; it's a fact of life that the All created chaos/evil. anyone could just look at it.
          meanwhile your elaborate "the All is capable of making beings like satan anyway, who themselves do chaos/evil arbitrarily, but trust me it's an elaborate plan where the shit is necessary to do good, see cuz trust me, but then in paradise it doesn't have that anyway" which is at best your opinion and at worst unconvincing...you pretend is perfect and you really thought about it? sure thing buddy.
          >It's offensive
          your face is offensive

          >doesn't believe in good master plan
          >THEREFORE IT MUST BE A BAD MASTER PLAN

          Gnostics are truly bottom-tier morons. At least the beliefs the christ followers get wrong lead them to push towards good regardless of the truth, you idiots just believe your own lies and poison the good this world actually does have in your quest for nothing.

          You'd fit right in with the doomer crowd on /misc/, crying constantly and doing nothing to fix it while feeling superior to people because thinking everything is shit is apparently some huge secret thing.

          This is very dishonest cuckarguing.
          >huh?? please explain and justify this position
          >see, there's evil
          >lol you explained the point about evil after I asked, that means only complain!! and in my false-dilemma that means you can't do good (??)
          At this point, you concede the argument. You stopped talking to make adhoms(acknowledging evil means can't do good). If you hadn't decided to partake in a discussion about it then like anyone else we might be partaking in productive endeavors like spiritual elevation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There was never an argument in the first place, you never even considered any alternatives, to call it an argument is disingenuous, you just keep repeating what you want reality to be over and over again and call us cucks, pat yourselves on the back ,and continue being miserable c**ts.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >also equally permit the best parts of living.
          The best parts of living are medicore at best while the worst parts are really fricking evil.
          It's not balanced at all

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reincarnation

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The meme is a form of deception to make Gnosticism look foolish.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My man is just learning about insults

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cope, you gnostic gays are more demiurge then the devil

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >We say the evil of the world is evil.
    I'm pretty sure you gnostic morons have been saying the world is evil, which is good, because the point of my being is to slap beings like you around for being pretentious pseudointellectuals.
    Just remember you're stuck here with me forever.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah life is full of beauty but is it really justified with all the suffering in the world? I'm sympathetic to gnostic thought though I don't entirely agree with it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its not there to justify anything moron, beauty is beauty, its there, its your problem if you only focus on shit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can only see it as beauty if you're being purposely moronic. That entire forest is littered with the bones of millions of dead creatures. Every inch of it that life walked in was the site of a murder. No one is focusing on the good to forget the bad, we're just remembering the inconceivable amount of horror involved in all that "good" coming to exist. Wow, a pretty forest! That's such a good compensation for the mass rapes that are still taking place, the endemic human slavery, and the bombing/enslavement of children which is the basis for your comfort. It's easy to say this shit when you live a life of privilege and have a computer built by someone's suffering to shitpost about it, but if it was really true even in the likely christcuck mentality you have, every major religion wouldn't have some tenet about the world being an inconceivable shithole we need to escape, and partly a punishment for our behavior for some.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well I mean thank you for be the perfect example of a myopic moron I guess.

          I'd reckon most do. But then mockery can still sting a bit, especially when it's what you consider some random shmuck mocking your sincere efforts to do good, if not for the world then yourself.

          >efforts to do good
          Almost eveyr post I've ever seen by anyone following this shit is "Your all hylics/npcs/ morons, how can you nto se everythign is awful!!!, I mean look at the only thing this is doing is hurting that supposed good cause and looking like your average myopic incel

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No argument
            It's amazing how your boundless confidence and ability to spout bullshit about your views evaporated the moment you were confronted on them. I didn't call anyone that, I made an argument you can read very easily and you're coping about it because you got BTFO. I'm beginning to see why gnostics call you hylics and NPCs because you argue like an animal would if it could speak. You have no argument, next time when placed in this situation shut the frick up and either find one or don't reply.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Argument to what? you just keep saying everything is awful, and clearly don't want to be told anything different, I'm not stupid enough to bother wasting my time on you. Go take you're hollow victory and continue suffering existence I guess?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can clearly dispute me based on what I said. My arguments were tied to examples, that means I am open to being disputed and refuted. You're too stupid to find a reason why I'm wrong, my victory isn't hollow, your head is because you're genuinely incapable of higher thinking necessary to even have the debate despite puffing yourself up and pretending that others were intellectually lesser than you for having their beliefs. In the end you can't even explain why they're wrong when not facing a strawman because your own beliefs are hollow and built on cope. Don't ever reply to me again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why havnt you killed you're self to escape yet anon?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hmmm it's almost like
            >I'm not a gnostic
            >Our entire biology due to millions of years of evolution is built specifically so I can't and won't do that unless my situation is extremely fricked
            Dumbass

            >imagine being so fricking blinded by hatred you cant see no one taking you seriously

            If a group of morons doesn't take you seriously are you supposed to care? Even if I am a clown, if someone can't refute clown talking points are they anything other than dumber than a clown? Can you name a single person you don't take seriously who you can't immediately BTFO at will?

            Have fun with your last (You)s everyone, I needed the confirmation that you're just a seething circle jerk.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >this moron is still expecting me to take his silly death cult seriously
            Arguing to a wall my man Im literally not reading anything

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >imagine being so fricking blinded by hatred you cant see no one taking you seriously

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > It is a gross oversimplification that only a Hylic would post it as an excuse to ignore an uncomfortable reality.
    It's a meme, anon. And this particular one is to mock gnosticism, not provide a balanced, measured description of its cosmology. Sure, many people take memes for a reflection of reality, but many are just to laugh, sometimes at something's or someone's expense.
    There's an opposite meme, too, showing some shitty location and situation and praising how its clearly the most wonderful that world could even have and there can be no improvement. It's also silly and untrue.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >expecting Gnostics to understand a joke

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >La creatividad has posted
        Hello Kojima

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Prease understandu

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In any case, I doubt anyone here understands what gnosticism is about, books come in pricey, especially from academia, and buying the schizo ones is oh so tempting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude are you 60? pirating is so fricking easy when the subject isn't taken seriously

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, I'm just somewhat honest.
            Still, the religion is about the eculubrations of some mystics, oftenly contradictory, which is why some people get the whole gist confused. Most of them were Christian. Most of them were world haters, and one group didnt think Demiurge was evil -Valentinians- but rather good.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah no shit they were very early Christians, and they were told to frick off because they completely misunderstood the teachings of Christ like most other early church heresies until everything was mostly settled, and Gnosticism has mostly been an extreme minority myopic death cult since championed by the morose and losers online since the dawn of the internet.

            Its interesting from a theological and historical perspective to see how violently a religon can mutate, but in the end its just another cult filled with miserable people who want the world to end because everything sucks and they cant take solace in what good there is.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some were nonchristian

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            true

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd reckon most do. But then mockery can still sting a bit, especially when it's what you consider some random shmuck mocking your sincere efforts to do good, if not for the world then yourself.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          considering it seems mostly about hating the world and speedrunning to kys while acting better than everyone else, I can see why no one takes it seriously

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not necessarily gnostic but that meme I moronic. Obviously heaven would be so perfect that this would be hell compared to that even in what we think is perfect nature.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but that meme I moronic
      >I moronic
      mistakes into miracles

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that you are enslaved to beings that eat awareness and traffic souls. It's not the world you live in, it's the fact that you don't own your own soul any more. That you don't have any say in your spiritual of physical evolution. It's amusing how people will try to convince you to be food, using the kind of memetics that only a child would fall for.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So I should kms to win?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, you'd find yourself before three archons if you did that. They'll appear to you as whatever can manipulate you into going another round. You need to reach a point where there's nothing they can so or do that will sway you. Then, when you encounter them in death, as all will, you must tell them three things: you know what they are, you know what you are, and you know where you're going. You must know these things; not just say them. It is particularly difficult to find the kingdom of light, that is what you should focus on most.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It still astounds me that someone can call this Christian in any way, sounds like a fricking scify novel.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The book about the dystopian society where everyone has to get a certain mark and magical beasts run around during the apocalypse to corrupt people isn't goofy because....
            It's less pathetic than what you believe Mr. "Jacob is a good guy for stealing his brothers heritage!"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand how aknowlaging it as moronic is a win for you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't believe in it. You however believe in something even dumber.

            The enlightened souls of Gnosticism ladies and gentlemen!

            Not a gnostic. Also it's funny how coordinated you two little discordgays are.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is it with you guys and the need to dehumanize your detractors on /x/?
            >I dont believe in Gnosticism
            Oh so just am attention prostitute, ok

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Immediately abandons his philosophy the moment he stumbles in an argument just for a petty jab
            lmao again, the enlightened souls of Gnosticism ladies and gentlemen!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how could i be getting made fun of on EerieWeb!!!
            >you're supposed to just take my shit and ask for more!!
            Frick off moron.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude you've been angrily arguing for Gnosticism for hours till now and suddenly you dont actually believe in it? you know I can scroll up right?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I literally just stumbled in this thread, newbie. Try again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The enlightened souls of Gnosticism ladies and gentlemen!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oy vey it was a fair and square deal!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yawn. a pol user came itt

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you were aware of what Christ's actual message was, this is what you'd believe.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude I get it, its not popular so its good, I know how EerieWeb works.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you don't get it. But that's okay. I don't care what happens to people like you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again with the dehumanizing, and you wonder why people make fun of you ya myopic loser.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where did I dehumanize you? I just said I don't care what happens to you. That's apathy not dehumanization, dumbass.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you're some gay on EerieWeb that hates everything, aka incredibly generic, why should I care?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So I now I hate everything because I don't care what happens to you? How fricking narcissistic are you? And I don't know why you care, but you obviously do.

            They're either discordtards or bots. Either way all they're doing is portraying seethe, not a single argument you make will be confronted, they'll just continue coping and seething in reply.

            It's kind of amusing, they can't do anything but cry about things you haven't even said!

            There's the dehumanization I was talking about

            Is not me

            They're either discordtards or bots. Either way all they're doing is portraying seethe, not a single argument you make will be confronted, they'll just continue coping and seething in reply.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, you are pretty clearly an angry spite filled person

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a bored man trying to help others. What exactly do you think you're doing here?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Help
            Frick me dude you're doing a piss poor job of it then, not one of you fricks can even properly explain you're beliefs without calling everyone else npcs or below you or take criticism well.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you can point to where I called someone an NPC, I'll leave this thread right now. Not one accusation you have levied at me has been true, yet you're so sure that you're right. Why is that?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Im not moronic enough to even try consideinr we've already had one guy go "I just entered the thread" and you can fricking read the thread and see people going hylic this npc that. Dehumanizing people is a very poor way to convince them to listen too you.

            That said you arent goign to, your gonna say "SEE YOU CAN" with no hintof irony while we're on an anonymous board. pat yourself on the back and insult me agian.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you have nothing at all but posts that you made to divide and conquer a legitimate spiritual discussion? Interesting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I made
            kek come on man Im trying to take it seriously

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you're not. You're clearly here to disrupt and destroy a necessary conversation. It's why you jumped into action the second I started posting.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes Im the demiurge here to ruin all discussion! ooga booga! fricking moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least you're being honest about the reason you're here, finally.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Frick me man how can you sit there proudly when the supposed enlightened souls here fricking had their entire thread destroyed by someone saying "maybe life isnt that bad"?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where did that happen? Be specific.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No Im the demiurge remember kek how the frick can you still be expecting me to take you seriously? Get a fricking grip anon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The thread started out by insulting you morons, are you dense a toddler could see people are here to make fun of you.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's funny how you don't understand how imageboards work.

            No Im the demiurge remember kek how the frick can you still be expecting me to take you seriously? Get a fricking grip anon.

            I'm just going to keep laughing at you, as I have been for an hour+ now.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fricking cringe dude I hope you better yourself eventually.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I hope you learn how imageboards work some day.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            newbie detected

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're either discordtards or bots. Either way all they're doing is portraying seethe, not a single argument you make will be confronted, they'll just continue coping and seething in reply.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's the dehumanization I was talking about

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            there hasn't been argument made in hours

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Could this be because what you consider "Christian" is a filtered collection of approved dogma contained in 66 whitelisted books handed down to you after 2000 years of lies and deception perpetuated by parasitic archons who have immense self interest in keeping you contained within the confines of the construct they have built? I am a Christian, but what is false called Christianity is as far from the truth as any other religion. That there is a God, who is our savior, and he is good, is the only truth I think I can truly hold on to in this world. Everyything else from my Christian programming I am prepared to let go of if it means getting closer to this One.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're right, anon. I don't understand why people blindly trust the religion created by the murderers of Christ.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            2020-2023 was the confirmation I needed for my theory about how easily deceived and manipulated the majority of the population are. If anyone needs proof that we live in a false, deception based construct then there was no better proof than this. 95% of my country willingly received an experimental medicine injected under their skin without questions because someone on TV told them to. All religions by default have been doing this in a spiritual sense since the beginning of time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I had a similar experience, but mine was the opposite. I watched people eat livestock medicine that made them shit themselves while calling others sheep.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. And christians were not spared there. Being in a church and seeing how their whole lives is just a mockery of them. How they poison their children and then cope that it is part of a bigger plan. It is just old shit wrapped in a different paper. Traditional religion of old vs scientism and modern establishment. Persecution of those who were telling the truth is modern witch hunt

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            To add upon this, what if the israelites were always evil? What if Christ came to rebuke what is obviously evil, and demonstrate that there is a higher power than Satan? But, because Satan was the god of the Earth, it wasn't difficult to change the message that we all heard 2000 years later. It wasn't hard to convince people to worship Christ instead of emulating him.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is basically what Marcion argued. His form of Christianity was at one stage very popular before he was labeled a heretic by the proto orthodoxy and removed from the history books.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't it interesting that the person deciding what is heresy is never Christ? It's always some guy that represents those who murdered him.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hang on, doesn't that mean that 'anti-gnosticism' is just as sensible as gnosticism? What's the argument against the material world being naturally beautiful, the evil parts being bits of foreign 'anti-pleroma' that also makes up our soul?

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    To me, it is not about whether there is good and evil or how much of either. It is about which one of the 2 holds it all together. And to me, it is all clearly built on evil. The more "adult" you become, the more you get it. Show me a happy, chatty, smiling intellectual, writer, poet, composer. It is all shit upon shit and I dont feel guilty for recognizing it

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Techbros are about to create VR and send poeple one level deeper, as there will be those who chose full time live in the metaverse. Do they become the new demiurge?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you mean in the sense that the Demiurge is a blind child with delusions of grandeur, then yes. But I don't think they'll ever be able to take your soul, unless they've made some deals I'm unaware of. I just can't imagine them leapfrogging the power structure that allows them to exist.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i thought our soul wasn't taken to begin with, merely being projected here rather than actually here

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Triggered you enough to make a whole fricking post about it lmao
    I think you're living proof the meme's true. Go touch grass you vaccinated fricking idiot

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if he didnt than you wouldnt have any reason to post your homosexual reaction images

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plotinus BTFO'd you guys 1600 years ago. How are you still around.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I btfo Jesus in this 2023 tho.
      Cainites won.
      It's like you have trouble accepting his demise.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny how often you say this about Plotinus but never actually post what he said to demonstrate your claim

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism just proves that there were schizos in ancient times as well. Although instead of writing shitty fanfiction about Harry Potter, they wrote shitty fanfiction about the Bible.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    prove the demiurge is real

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this pit of biological horror, unending suffering and perpetual devouring of other conscious life looks nice to me, so it's good
    You live in a world of flesh-horror, but because you're a native inhabitant you fail to see the reality of it. You change the aesthetics a little, and any human would recognize it as disgusting and awful, but because it's *our* world, it's great without question.
    You people are truly fruitless.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      True.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >picrel
    My response? Liveleak.com.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >implants you with flesh eating parasites and strips the flesh off your hands
    >bro why are you in pain bro. Just look at the sunset bro

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nobody says that the beauty of the world is evil. We say the evil of the world is evil. However, we say that the beauty of the world is merely an imitation that the Demiurge has trapped with us inside this world, where there is a spark of the pleroma.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick is the point of this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon needs his pointless myopic doomer cult to be right so Hes making an utter homosexual of himself, no Im not sure how this makes hi right either.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *smashes your balls clean off*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And apparently 12 years old or a gigantic man child.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are the ballsack of the world.
            Point and laugh.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And this is supposed to make me respect Gnosticism more how my good manchild?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Talk about neoteny. Why would it matter what you respect or believe?

            U
            R
            A
            BALL
            SACK

            "URABS" for short.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cool Gnostics are simply petty chidden, good to know.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are welcome.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    and I don't know how I could have done better there. I still don't know.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do I clear the ledger, help me out here. Where do I go? I don't have a good enough singing voice and I don't have the joy joy joy down in my heart. I don't blame God for it one bit, and I believe in JC, but I just don't feel saved.
    What's my move, how do I clear the ledger?

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you guys wanna hear why I painted my van black and thought about LARPing (not really a LARP) as the punisher, before I woke up to the QAnon problem. I was driving through Santa Maria (this is after the Army) and I stop at a red light, and there's this beautiful blonde girl dressed like a prostitute with a brown rough looking guy holding her arm and walking her towards a hotel. She turned back and looked at me. I just thought "wow she's really pretty, why is she with that guy?"
    When I learned later what was really going on there and thought about it. I painted my van black
    You can't really join the government in the fight against scum bags when the government is in on it, what the frick else can you do?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I wasn't such a fricking naive faceblind sperg, I would have understood that the girl needed help and was looking to me.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not your responsibility to save anyone, being a savior is the dumbest thing you'd ever do in your life. Do what you can, and learn from the mistakes that come from doing more than you could have, if you're the Afghan soldier guy, there's a reason you were in that scenario in the first place, it was because you entered a muddy field thinking that one man could ever change or help more than they really could.

      Unless they're your family having a savior complex about other human beings is just pathetic and desperate.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the attitude right there that makes it all work the way it does.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No it isn't. People abandoning that attitude and not focusing on their own selves and their moral integrity, and instead handing over power to "saviors" and those who had moral authority over them is why we are where we are now. You will never fix the problems you hate if you succumb to the savior trap, you will just become the new perpetrator, or your actions will be used by the new perpetrator as rhetoric for why they should be allowed to do what they do

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It does work that way. Fair assessment. I'll take some time and reconsider the past. Life is a muddy field, but who is going to protect the innocent? If its their families and their families alone who's going to protect the ones whose families fail them?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It works that way once the problem has already been established, but problem solving comes from the ground up. You either fix yourself and your family first, as well as the community around you, or you get dragged into something larger than you can fully understand and find yourself contributing to the future. Protect the innocent you know, the families who don't will eventually fail, be rotted, and then collapse, yours will survive into the future and ensure idiots who don't protect their own don't exist anymore. Also you have to remember that you'd be powerless about this anyway since there are endless people who are being unprotected who you can never help. I'm not saying don't offer kindness when you come across an injustice, or to never help when you encounter something wrong, but there comes a point where you should be able to recognize what problems you're able and unable to fix, and also accept that it's not your fault even if you choose not to help during the situations where you can change something at severe personal cost.

            At the end of the day this is somewhat taking away agency from the people who chose to commit those acts or continue those injustices, because they don't think twice about who's responsible for what since they already know the blame lies with them. Anyone who has to point out not being stopped by others is already admitting they chose to make a bad choice.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It makes more sense for families to protect their own. Its nearly fricking impossible to know what's going on with people you've never met or what their stories are. Outside looking in judgement doesn't work, its a high expectation of people to do that. Inside looking out knows who and what doesn't belong.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah you put that in better and more concise terms than I could have.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you can change something at severe personal cost.
            In a world where people know they're going to look for their own because no ones coming to save them, that counts for scumbags too.
            No one will come to save them from the consequences of their actions.
            I can deal with that worlds.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    or maybe its my attitude, or maybe its just both.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't everything just exist without all this bullshit added to it? Isn't the whole point that this is an inexplicable field of infinite consciousness that dreams endlessly without purpose or meaning? It exists because it exists, and any theories and explanation is just more contents of the current dream, it doesn't say anything about the actual screen of consciousness that it's all happening on, it's just made up dream stuff

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in their own sphere of familiarity.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thanks for taking the time and effort. You didn't have to, but you did anyway.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if the you don't owe anyone anything if it comes at 'severe personal cost' thing should work for Christians. the entire premise is WWJD, and he carried his cross for the salvation of ALL.
    I'm all for putting scumbags on an equal field, they worked really hard to not give people an equal field.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus according to the Bible was God's incarnation who would be one with him upon death and was planning from the very beginning to sacrifice him. Trying to emulate him is both blasphemy and inconceivable arrogance if you fall under the Christian worldview. Your job is to submit to his example and commands, not emulate it or try and do what he did because you are not his equal according to Christianity.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        All of the saints would disagree with that assessment.
        Its not about being his equal. What JC did was absolute glory and grace. Death has no power over God and through him we shouldn't fear it either.
        Frick your blasphemy blood sacrifice doctrine that literally no one actually understands. God taught us how to LIVE then showed us his words were true, he was the Good Shepherd, true to his word to the cross and eternally.
        >I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
        The Hireling does not. The Thief does not.
        Only the Good Shepherd would ever do that.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Frick your blasphemy blood sacrifice doctrine that no one actually understands.
          But people did, it was very obviously a continuation of the sacrificial tradition of the OT God warped into "this is the last one guys, we promise". God has provided no proof for his word, according to Christianity asking God for proof or testing his reality is a sin. Death has no power over God, which is why it's pointless and arrogant to emulate him for actions that will result in it. The saints were not planning on being killed, according to church doctrine they simply refused to back down when living their lives. If that is truly the case then suicide is perfectly fine. A shepherd eats his sheep at the end of the day, if he dies to protect them it's only because he will starve to death without them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >A shepherd eats his sheep at the end of the day,
            Frick you Merchant, you don't fool me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No this is the Holy Ghost

            >They have said a most cruel thing, that God has put forth a Son
            >INDEED YOU HAVE PUT FORTH SOMETHING MOST MONSTROUS

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a gnostic gospel that says that anyone can be considered a Christ if they do work as good as him. Most of the gnostic gospels don't talk about your submission slave mentality but rather about improving yourself and others to be on the same level as Jesus and god and becoming free from this evil reality.
        We've got all these extra texts all available on the internet, for anyone to read. Your judaic cults don't have a monopoly on Jesus anymore.

        >Frick your blasphemy blood sacrifice doctrine that no one actually understands.
        But people did, it was very obviously a continuation of the sacrificial tradition of the OT God warped into "this is the last one guys, we promise". God has provided no proof for his word, according to Christianity asking God for proof or testing his reality is a sin. Death has no power over God, which is why it's pointless and arrogant to emulate him for actions that will result in it. The saints were not planning on being killed, according to church doctrine they simply refused to back down when living their lives. If that is truly the case then suicide is perfectly fine. A shepherd eats his sheep at the end of the day, if he dies to protect them it's only because he will starve to death without them.

        Peter walked back to Rome to get murdered, according to the church. There was a whole sect of orthodox christians who would attack random gentiles so they'd get martyred. The martyrdom concept was promoted by the church to get you to do what they want, it's basically a suicide doctrine. No wonder the gnostics got on well with pagans, they hated suffering and encouraged their followers to lie when necessary and avoid confrontation.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not talking about it from the gnostic perspective, I'm not one so I don't understand that, I'm speaking purely from a mainstream christian one, which is entirely about being a submissive b***h in all places.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was a promise made and a promise kept

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the scribes always understand!
    no they don't. and they never did.
    >it was very obviously a continuation of the sacrificial tradition of the OT God
    25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, THEY BEAR WITNESS OF ME.
    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    >Reee, no the sheep should die for my utopia, I follow the good shepherd listen to me Christians, its just necessary.
    Would you carry a cross and be the first to die for your utopias, so that the sheep will live?
    No.
    is it that unfathomable, inconceivable that if it is necessary to preserve the lives of others that Christ and His followers would give their own willingly? Because that was the message. How do you parse the fakers from the real ones?
    They'll fricking die for you. They don't have any conflict agendas, not even self-preservation.
    Christianity is a Warrior's tradition. Hirelings, Thieves, Wolves, will never get it. Your souls aren't made of the same stuff.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The sacrifice tradition of the old testament is not something you can ever claim didn't exist. You're either claiming you never read the Bible, or being plain delusional. That quote does not in any way deny what I said, blood sacrifice was a regular part of old testament life, and demanded by God in several different places in the Bible.

      If wolves were attacking my only flock of sheep I would definitely jump in and risk getting eaten by them rather than starve to death, that's why shepherds defend their sheep. You add human context to the analogy to make it what it isn't, and then remove it so you can keep calling people sheep. What does a shepherd have to do with utopia's? A shepherd only raises sheep for its table, which is as close to utopia to that shepherd as anything else. Ask any farmer and they will all say that their animals should be grateful for their protection and risk because it lets them live easy lives, and none of them hesitate to butcher them. It's inconceivable that an all powerful God would ever sacrifice his own son when he could simply decide to stop damning people, especially when he asks for a price for the results of his own actions afterwards. You parse the fake from the real by checking who asks you for things that benefit them while proclaiming their infinite mercy instead of just giving it freely and not putting any conditions into it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The shepherd thing wasn't to be taken too seriously, it was just a way that Jesus explained his mission at some point that ended up getting written down. He probably called his followers sheep in a fun teasing way. He didn't act serious when it wasn't needed, no one needed to be scared of him. Jesus is not god by the way, it never says that and he is against demiurge.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          sheep are gentle non-predatory animals. meek. friendly. honest, they have no guile or evil in them. its a term of endearment. he didn't think of his friends as his fricking cattle.
          he also nver said he was God. the only groups of people that really pressed him to say he was God were pharisees, he simply said "my sheep know my voice, I am their shepherd. you are not my sheep."
          they can't see it, the words pass over their eyes but their minds literally have no basis for understanding it.
          >durr durr, whaddaya mean its not about treating people like cattle?! durr durr this makes no sense to my israelite brain at all!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you sure he doesn't imply it in John 8:58? That's the only place where he ever says anything to do with claiming to be god. Of course the gospel of John was put together of lots of different sources and that could be from a pro israelite religion one that got in.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's enough wrong with the story at this point that you just have to accept they were always there constructing their narrative even back then.
            The Pharisees were heavily invested in this story, in for a penny in for a pound, they're still pushing it.
            There really isn't that much talk about Abraham or Moses or the OT in the NT, but the beatitudes and the parables are a far stronger signal coming from multiple books.
            I think subtle implications like that could easily have been misheard in the ears of a israeli apostle, which may not have even been anything nefarious. They wanted to believe JC was their God, the pharisees did not.
            You can also interpret that as saying "abraham didn't make a covenant with me, I was God before abraham's god"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            cont.

            But its very uncharacteristic to just say it so plainly like that and doesn't really match up with the far less conclusive "my sheep know my voice"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It should be because Jesus himself uses it multiple times. Failing to think about the most basic aspects of what a sheep is to a human being who shepherds them is your own failing. He could have called them his children, the flowers in his garden, etc... he chose sheep because it is an insulting thing to be likened to an animal that happily follows the thing that will cause it's death.

          Being God is irrelevant to this, it merely changes whether he's a hired farmhand that will die in place of the owner or not, the end result is that farm animals are kept dumb, safe, and then eventually eaten.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            low IQ take
            >waaaaatyu mean?! I'm a israelite and I can only think in terms of human cattle.
            Pilpul intensifies*
            >Words have meaning, now allow me to define the words for you according to what most supports my narrative with the utmost chutzpah. Clearly I am correct, and to not see it is YOUR OWN FAILING.
            He's right folks, they always are.
            and NO TRUE SCOTSMAN WOULD EVER DISAGREE.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He is comparing humans to cattle. It is pilpul to assume this has any other meaning except the one being given to you. I am using the most basic and widely accepted definitions, you're crying and shitting yourself over a moronic explanation of something already clear.

            even used failing twice in one sentence.
            why are they like this?

            >You made a grammatical mistake?
            >Great! Now I don't have to engage with your argument at all
            I am not surprised you're a Christian.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            even used failing twice in one sentence.
            why are they like this?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He is comparing humans to cattle. It is pilpul to assume this has any other meaning except the one being given to you. I am using the most basic and widely accepted definitions, you're crying and shitting yourself over a moronic explanation of something already clear.
            [...]
            >You made a grammatical mistake?
            >Great! Now I don't have to engage with your argument at all
            I am not surprised you're a Christian.

            Do you realize that his followers include the disciples that he's friends with, and that he had a sense of humor? You're taking a fun analogy he made and twisting it to get the meaning you want.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Uh just because he referred to himself as the group leader and his friends as minions doesn't mean that the word minion has a negative connotation!
            He was a schizophrenic with enough delusions to be calling himself the son of God and Man, why the frick would I be surprised that he applied that same belief universally even among people he considered friends?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus was just having fun, you have this idea that he was really serious when he wasn't. Do you think a person who insults people gets followers?
            >He was a schizophrenic
            What makes you think that?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It should be because Jesus himself uses it multiple times. Failing to think about the most basic aspects of what a sheep is to a human being who shepherds them is your own failing. He could have called them his children, the flowers in his garden, etc... he chose sheep because it is an insulting thing to be likened to an animal that happily follows the thing that will cause it's death.

            Being God is irrelevant to this, it merely changes whether he's a hired farmhand that will die in place of the owner or not, the end result is that farm animals are kept dumb, safe, and then eventually eaten.

            How do I negate this masonic psyop that declares Jesus Christ as "the antichrist"?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            simply ignore them, Gnosticism will never be more than a small sad cult of contrarian morons

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you think a person who insults people gets followers.
            Yes, it's been proven by a religion that likens people to pathetic animals. People use sheep as an insult all the time but then accept it immediately when some church father says it.
            >What makes you think that
            The fact that he believed things that were insane and made wide sweeping claims about his status that were clearly deluded and part of some messianic complex. Whether or not it's actually schizophrenic is irrelevant, he was crazy, and his craziness led to him dying for no good reason and dooming the rest of the world to murders and rapes done in his name.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and his craziness led to him dying for no good reason and dooming the rest of the world to murders and rapes done in his name.
            Blame the pharisees who ordered his execution and the roman nobles that subtly perverted his students word to legitimize their authority and co-opt them. You've seen it happen countless times before (especially in the case of 8ch and Q), and if you can't recognize this you're fricked.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't blame any authority for killing a crazy person making claims that could destabilize the region like he did(see what happened with the later israeli rebellions doing the same sort of shit), I'd blame the people that egged him on for being insane as if that was a fine thing to do. If Jesus is God, or God's son, or holy, or worthwhile he would have done the intelligent thing and never put himself in a position where he dies like an animal, and his teachings get perverted. If they have any worth they wouldn't be capable of being perverted, they would be destroyed, and anyone who tried to resurrect them would be killed. If you're trying to argue that he wasn't God, or had no supernatural powers then he's a liar, and also as deluded as I claim. If he couldn't use those supernatural insights to stop these things from happening, he either wanted them to, or if you go back to my first claim, he was too insane to not see it coming. Either way you argue it, we're all left picking up the pieces from this mythical dead bastard who was too stupid to know any better, and his bastard companions who enabled a sick man and then tried to grift off his tortured corpse.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't blame any authority for killing a crazy person making claims that could destabilize the region like he did(see what happened with the later israeli rebellions doing the same sort of shit), I'd blame the people that egged him on for being insane as if that was a fine thing to do. If Jesus is God, or God's son, or holy, or worthwhile he would have done the intelligent thing and never put himself in a position where he dies like an animal, and his teachings get perverted.
            The sane man in a world of mud is a madman, and higher reasoning like thus would be inaccessible to those without the lateral thinking or wisdom required to deduce cryptic teachings.
            >If they have any worth they wouldn't be capable of being perverted, they would be destroyed, and anyone who tried to resurrect them would be killed.
            That line of thought can be applied to every holy text and spoken word. He knew it was inevitable, hence why he forewent the common expectation of "scorched earth" tactics of having all opponents killed. Not his fault that many decided to reason themselves out of self-actualization into a purely materialistic lifestyle. The worth in these texts requires symbolic literacy i.e the ability to read between the lines in order to grasp their true meaning, and every parable that loses meaning becomes myth.

            The antichrist's task is to obscure and/or remove mankind's ability to deduce any deeper meaning behind christ's words, and given the state of /x/ it's fair to assume that that has already became the case.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then that sane man would be intelligent enough to not preach to raving madmen. Other holy books definitely fall under that, which is why I don't believe them. If any being of any sort of power or supernatural wisdom wrote them, it wouldn't happen.

            I just can't believe in some anti Christ or something that isn't the result of God's own creation because if everything about the Bible is wrong enough to get God's omnipotence and omniscience wrong, as well as his status as creator of all, there would be no truth to that as well, and the best you could hope for is that you weren't taught to look for signs that embody your savior. But I'm pretty sure that's what you're getting at, and the demoralization inherent in that is just sad.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            they have sowed darnel among my wheat and you come to let me know, but i will tell you now, let it grow, and i will separate them at the time of harvest; 12 apostles walked side by side with christ, did they spread understanding? or merely regurgitate words? this is why we use parables, you see?
            >Then that sane man would be intelligent enough to not preach to raving madmen.
            A sane man in an insane world would be widely viewed as insane, and I've dealt with a fair share of delusional, conceited fricks whose worldviews are based upon distortions and butcherings of the same holy texts they legitimized themselves with in the first place. The winners write history, and Jesus was killed by the same government he praught against. It's bad enough that the accuracy to which the apostles have ascertained the meaning of His teachings is spotty in some books or areas, but knowing the roman masters who ultimately legislated his liquidation had those same texts transcribed to the extent where some passages contradict the overall nature of His teachings makes it all the worse.

            Enlightening humanity is virtually impossible when the homosexuals ruling it deem it too costly to have truths they cannot control proliferated.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That last part does bring to light why secret societies act the way they do until they become part of the elites as well. Sad state of affairs I guess. Oh well.

            >if everything about the Bible is wrong enough to get God's omnipotence and omniscience wrong, as well as his status as creator of all
            Then it wouldn't have the legitimacy required to become the most globally proliferated holy text and would've been shitcanned or rewritten earlier on. Gnosticism had guidance and truths, though its ultimate conclusion erroneous. The modernist view hyperfixates on said misguidances and galvanizes this misconception to be the predominant perception, when in truth all are interconnected.

            You don't need legitimacy for that. You just need a very large will for murder and mayhem, and a complete lack of shame for when you're being a hypocrite as well as a good dose of luck.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If it was ontologically wrong about the nature of God (as described by process theology) then it would've been picked up centuries back.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If this was the case Hinduism wouldn't have the large population it does under its sway. All you need to push a religion is power and a willingness to kill people who don't do what you say

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >who were these "12 great apostles", were they the wisest voices or the loudest? they say they are my followers, but will they drink the bitter cup with me?
            most of the apostles died horribly preaching the word of Jesus after he was gone...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if everything about the Bible is wrong enough to get God's omnipotence and omniscience wrong, as well as his status as creator of all
            Then it wouldn't have the legitimacy required to become the most globally proliferated holy text and would've been shitcanned or rewritten earlier on. Gnosticism had guidance and truths, though its ultimate conclusion erroneous. The modernist view hyperfixates on said misguidances and galvanizes this misconception to be the predominant perception, when in truth all are interconnected.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post a single crazy thing Jesus Christ said. He's literally famous for opposing the israelites rioting against Rome and tells them to pay taxes to Caesar. You don't know anything homosexual.
            >or had no supernatural powers then he's a liar, and also as deluded as I claim.
            Would you also call Plato a liar?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom"
            Nice digits for a moron.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's from the synoptic gospels where the pharisees attached a load of useless political lines to him. Jesus says the opposite in John where he says his kingdom is not of this world. And it's still not crazy, just dumb, and certainly doesn't justify an innocent man being murdered. The only reason the romans allowed him to be killed was because Pontius Pilate was scared of the israelites revolting for not killing him, by the way. Jesus was judged completely innocent.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >UHHH the Pharisees did it.
            See the posts earlier about him being too fricking stupid to not get his shit shat on by a bunch of money lending losers from Judea. Pontius murdered him for being a claimant to the israeli throne, which is something no Roman governor would ever allow. Considering these are the same fricks that disrespected their goddamn temples and put their Emperor's in the place of the israeli God, they did not give a frick about some israeli revolt over a preacher not being murdered. This is all retroactive cope, especially because he was clearly unimportant enough for even the government at the time to not list his name in any execution books, or send any missives back to Rome about him.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The absolutely did care about a israeli revolt that could end up getting roman soldiers and gentiles killed and wasting recourses. Pontius Pilate killed him because he was a coward and was scared the israelites would cause Caesar to take away his position and potentially order him to commit suicide. Jesus' true teachings have survived to this day, them being ruined was inevitable. The romans put their statues around the temple but didn't put anything actually in it and didn't enter. You're a israelite, aren't you? That's why you're so upset at Jesus and also the romans.
            >he was clearly unimportant enough for even the government at the time to not list his name in any execution books
            There's very few contemporary references to Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas, or basically anyone relevant to the area. But Jesus being unimportant in that moment doesn't invalidate him at all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They didn't give a shit, they constantly did things that would cause even worse revolts, and the future ones were caused by that as well. While they would certainly kill anyone flouting their authority openly, they wouldn't hesitate to tell them to frick off after making demands. These are the same people that raped boudicas daughters, you're being delusional. This was a militaristic state with a national pride problem who viewed israelites as atheists because they wouldn't syncretize. To the Roman elites the israelites were little better than nobodies, and a lot worse than being respected enough that a governor would get his position taken for not bowing to their whims. True holy teachings do not get ruined like all other human ones, you're coping.

            You cannot name a single contemporary reference during the time where he was ruling the province which also mentioned the near revolt he had on his hands because of a random preacher. It didn't happen, it's fiction, and cope. At best he was a nobody killed for being a potential claimant. It absolutely does invalidate your argument that somehow God descended on Jerusalem and caused such a shit storm the governor feared a revolt, and we didn't even hear about it, while we also know the life details of some random young boy who Hadrian raped. He was unimportant at best, nonexistent at worst. Also Caligula literally planned to have a statue of him put in the temple, and wasn't backing down even after the israelites revolted because he gave that little of a singular frick what any of them thought, that guy literally put the fear of God into the israeli leadership for bants. I promise you the men before him would give less of a frick than he did when it came to compromising their authority for a conquered people.

            Finally, I will say that you worship israelites. You have no right to claim anyone else is one for denying israeli myths. You're likely named after one too let me guess, are you a Jacob, an Isaac, or a James?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What are these things they did to cause worse revolts? And in regards to Pontius Pilate, how does different people doing something mean that he didn't personally try to appease them, in order to not lose his position, since he was already on bad terms with Caesar? How does different people, who were on good terms with Caesar, or the emperor themselves, doing something, mean Pontius Pilate didn't do something?
            >and a lot worse than being respected enough that a governor would get his position taken for not bowing to their whims.
            The threat was his position would get taken away by him being a moron and causing a riot, causing problems for Rome. You're misrepresenting this.
            >He was unimportant at best
            During his time he was indeed unimportant, he was a guy preaching in an irrelevant province to poor israelites and eventually got killed for it after just three years. No one tries to claim that during his time Jesus was important outside maybe a few thousand israelites at best. You're just strawmanning at this point.
            >Also Caligula literally planned to have a statue of him put in the temple
            So a later emperor, who's famous for going mad, wanted to do something, so that means the romans before didn't make certain avoidances to avoid riots? The very fact that he planned to but never did is proof that the romans avoided going too far with the israelites.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Literally planning to desecrate their fricking temple which is a million times worse than not letting a preacher get executed. You read my post, I mentioned my example of Caligula specifically so you wouldn't run around and try to make this deflection. Pontius pilate comes from a culture, and an organization with a set way of doing things, I have described several times why there is no logical reason for him to fear the inhabitants of an unimportant conquered shithole, and that his position was in no danger. You're restating arguments that have already been debunked.

            The Roman emperor's themselves didn't give a frick about riots, that's what I just told you in that post, I promise you that they wouldn't see it as a thing necessary to remove him from office over when israelites were seen as rebellious atheists who refused to bow to Roman God's. Being brutal with them would be expected, and riots over religious nuttery wouldn't be blamed on him because they were commonly seen as insane. Once again I have provided examples and reasons while you have empty assertions.

            Jesus was unimportant as a whole until some random israeli bastards decades after his deaths used his name to grift. This isn't a strawman because the entire argument was that he was not important enough even among the israelites that knew him to be recorded, so he could not have been important enough to threaten a Governor over when these same Romans have raped the daughters of a ruling client king over disobedience. A later emperor, who is widely acknowledged as being propagandized as mad, felt no risk at debasing israelites and putting the fear of God into them, neither did several others after him, showing they were bever a consideration. You'll notice even in his "madness" he kept his abuses to people he could get away with abusing by and large.

            You cut up the argument to avoid having to admit you're on complete bullshit, and to avoid context, have fun debating with yourself.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            A literal plan, by an emperor who was not Pontius Pilate, that never even happened anyway. You're right there was no logical reason for Pontius Pilate to fear the israelites, he didn't, and this was never argued. He feared the repercussions of his own actions against them.
            >this deflection.
            What deflection? You're just writing nonsense now to give the impression you're right.
            > I promise you that they wouldn't see it as a thing necessary to remove him from office
            They would, because Pontius Pilate was on a bad term with Caesar already and another riot would be enough to justify replacing him. The romans were brutal, but causing a riot would be very inconvenient and get their citizens killed, so it was to be avoided. How many times do you need this explained to you?
            >so he could not have been important enough to threaten a Governor
            Yes he could, the israelites were outraged at his teachings, even more outraged at him and his followers whipping the temple, and demanded his death. Pontius Pilate didn't want to kill him, so the pharisees implied there'd be violence against his forces otherwise, so he gave in, as he was a coward and protecting a israelite wasn't particularly important for him.
            >felt no risk at debasing israelites and putting the fear of God into them, neither did several others after him,
            This argument has been debunked three times now. You're comparing the actions of literal emperors with a governor who was on bad terms with an emperor. It doesn't work. You're the one avoiding context.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No matter how much blood you drink you'll never be eternal you disgusting fricking vampires.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christian larpers
    >The world is controlled by Satan
    Also Christian larpers
    >The world is good

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why the frick would you do that to yourself or your children?

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the oligarchy of babylon has ruled for millenia, they rewrote your history and filled your scriptures with lies, downplaying their crimes and erasing the enslavement and genocides of your people; they have destroyed artifacts and shaped your nations, they wrote the script your world revolves around

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw the demiurge creates forms with more depth than Real Reality (feeling awe or something)
    The fatal flaw with gnosticism, Buddhism, and similar religions is an assumption Real Reality will somehow be less complicated than Earth, not more. When you wake up from a dream, are things more coherent, tangible and detailed, or less?

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gnostiscm is so weird. Complete twisting of scripture. Maybe that's just Christian gnostiscm, idk what the other gnostic homos believe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      More of the same but less horribly schizophrenic and self hating

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus talking to himself and preaching to people so they will do what he says so he can save them from himself
        This is more "schizophrenic" than any gnostic doctrine. If you look at the aeon myths and whatnot and see schizophrenia than you're compelled to call all polytheists schizos too. In fact it's barely different from your own angel hierarchy. Gnostics don't hate themselves, they hate the evil of this reality, they hate the torture innocent people are put through. Is this nice to you? It's much more appropriate to call christians self-hating since they blame themselves for evil existing through the original sin.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gnostics had their own scripture and remained consistent with it. The twisting of scripture sounds more like saying Jesus is god which is something that is never said.

      simply ignore them, Gnosticism will never be more than a small sad cult of contrarian morons

      A similar religion is currently the largest religion in Asia and growing in popularity in the west. The ancient gnostics failed to judaic christians, of course modern revival remains on the internet. If you want to call us contrarians you need to explain why we are wrong in our beliefs, else you're projecting.

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >This common meme is posted as a response to Gnostcisim
    weird, vid related should be enough

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >This common meme is posted as a response to Gnostcisim. It is a gross oversimplification...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you tell em, pedro!

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This realm is a containment for rebel beings.

    You can escape by reshaping your innermost into an acceptable (not perfected) state.

    You are your own judge.

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm Gnostic but I thought the image was funny. I see humans as vessels to the immaterial or at least contain something unmaterialistic like a soul. In a way they're like hybrids. The material world might be evil but a small amount of unmaterialistic things have influenced the material world. It's misanthropy causing the whole suicide cult angle more than the anti-materialism. A lot of Gnostics are misanthropists but honestly if you can't find anything positive in life then you are just a crybaby.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      its a meme anon, relax

      >The material world might be evil but a small amount of unmaterialistic things have influenced the material world. It's misanthropy causing the whole suicide cult angle more than the anti-materialism. A lot of Gnostics are misanthropists but honestly if you can't find anything positive in life then you are just a crybaby.
      this.

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Detach from stories and find the truth in your inner silence, friend.

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking HATE BEING ALIVE SO MUCH I CANT STAND IT FRICK THIS

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at how the haters dog piled this thread and notice how they are all Christcucks and ~~*Occultists*~~ (grand architect and all that). Gnosticism isn't true but the entity the majority of this world worships is a dickbag (thankfully It doesn't actually control the universe) and Gnostics are some of the few out there to call it and its followers on their bullshit.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Surely gnostics are wrong and this is no hellscape

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The idea that the Demiurge is evil and so is the material world isn't even present in all Gnostic belief systems. It's a reddit tier oversimplification.
    Plenty of Gnostics invoked IAO and Abrasax for protection and mastery in this world.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The marcionites believed it and they were one of the most successful sects, the valentinians also had leanings towards it. This idea is also the logical conclusion, as you can find in this thread the opponents of it can't post a single argument against it. The sects that thought otherwise were much smaller mostly israeli and had greater relations to the hermetic sects.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    test

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It worked.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        For all we know it failed.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's all bullshit you moron. You cannot have good without evil. You're entirely missing the point. That there is no point. That you're God dreaming about being a human. You're the demiurge. You lie to yourself.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are such a little idiot, you have no idea what the thread is about.
      The problem with shortsighted homosexuals like yourself is you seriously think this is all there is.
      That's your coping mechanism, it's how your brain comes to grips with accepting the unknowns to you, you just fill it with "hehe I'm literally heckin the demiurge and I just heckin forget :*~~"
      You are a stupid homosexual who can't begin to fathom you exist in a creation that is not your own. You are not self evident, but it's evident your self thinks you're somebody important versus the other humans in existence who don't align with your tiktok ideology.
      Frick off, kid. Stop posting, start lurking, and maybe in 20 years you might have a comment that isn't coming from a place of sheer cancerous homosexualry.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Enjoy your mind virus. And remember, you're here forever. Because you want to be.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's right. You're a moron just for pushing that "you can't have good without evil" bullshit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's posting in defence of gnosticism so there's a pretty good chance he doesn't want to be here and will leave, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't just typing rehearsed insults. You're a clown and him autistically raging at you was justified.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            no it wasnt, it was rude, and opposed to virtue

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He was rude because your post was so moronic and we're sick of hearing it. Every time that moronic logic gets posted someone else replies saying how dumb it is, so you're either a newbie or trying to get angry responses. You should be able to realize why it's so stupid yourself.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we're sick of hearing it

            Then try to see the bigger picture then. Everything is exactly as it should be, imperfection in all. You chose to leave the void of infinite love aseparationion in order to experience something else. You want to escape? Go right ahead, we'll see you tomorrow.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It looks like you're retreating on your previous statement that good can't exist without evil. The next thing for you to learn is that pleroma means fullness in greek. We most likely did come here by our own decision, but that doesn't make us the demiurge.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The demiurge is simply a "rule keeper" designed to keep reality "consistent" with the axioms of the collective consciousness. A game without rules ceases to be a game.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            And good requiring evil is not a required axiom, but one that was chosen for this reality.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Law of polarity. How can you even identify what is good if you don't have evil to contrast it with? The concept of good only makes sense when juxtaposed with evil, otherwise it isn't "good" it just "is".

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            nta but you contrast it with nothing

            like how you can see a square without an anti square to contrast it with

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again, that's just "is" vs "isn't". Establishing good and evil is a step further.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The concept of good only makes sense when juxtaposed with evil, otherwise it isn't "good" it just "is".
            That's not what you were implying with your original post. You meant that evil must exist in contrast with good, otherwise you'd have written this explanation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I meant exactly what I meant in my original post.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So something else from what you wrote there

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Explain how I'm contradicting myself

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You replied to OP complaining about evil, and you said good can't exist without evil. No one would interpret that to what you later said about good can only be understood when there is evil.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No one would interpret that to what you later said about good can only be understood when there is evil.

            If you know, you know. And sadly you didn't.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i am a different anon

            i honestly dont see how you made this mistake

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because we don't have usernames here

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lexical cues, the shape of a mans ideas, general levels of smugness, any one of these should have tipped you off

            you clearly dont look deeply before posting and it saddens me greatly

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This 'meme' is stupid due to the fact that if any of us here were to try going to live in that picture, it wouldn't be long before the government sends agents armed with guns to remove you and any attempted settlement or living quarters.
    There is no free land on Earth that some government isn't "claiming" as theirs.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the part where we'd all probably starve to death barring a few within a few weeks, die of exposure, or shit out guts out if we drank some water we didn't properly treat first.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, is Plato Jesus?
    No...It's almost like you were informed of this shit directly from the pleroma

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You’re right. It’s current propaganda to discredit a basic truth about our reality. Those of us who know, know. Those who don’t can suckle on the ignorance that comes from their preferred demiurge, onlyfans model or vtuber. It’s all about dividing people. That’s a fundamental strategy in any conflict and this one is no different. When man started tow use up about this fact 1600 years ago give or take that’s when the latest of this cold conflicts came into play. The best thing to focus on first is the subordination of your own mind and know that all is mind. That means a lot. Next is when you focus on yourself and be good to the world as you know it’s a temporary place for most of us who truly know, we are guests here and should treat the spirit of our guest house with some respect. Then, you come to understand that perhaps not all worlds can be, need to be, or should be saved. Crying about a creature that makes higher actualization impossible doesn’t help your mind or your place on this word that you find yourself in. The meme is just a tool to demoralize you. Laugh at the meme. Don’t pay it too much heed. You know that most posters and threads that use it are just working to scam you out of immortality. Good luck on the path frens. I wish you well in this very strange world of 2024 that we find ourselves in.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the post that we should all agree to end this thread on. Nothing more of value needs to be said. Thanks brother.

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Christian larpers want you to be Christian, but they don't mention verses from the book of revelation that would convince you never to convert.
    >How this "Christian salvation" really works
    >Imprecise and contradictory instructions
    >Until you flip pages and goto last book
    >Then, as if by israeli sorcery:
    1. To be saved, only one requisite is needed
    2. This is for your name to be written in the book of life
    3. There are 144000 names in the book of life, revelation says
    4. And all of them are israelites

    There you fricking go, the critical info christcucks will never mention

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >God throws all demon gays in the lake of fire
      That's why Christianity are still more based than new age homebrew shit like

      https://i.imgur.com/Y5WMUdE.jpg

      Gnosticism is not incorrect with its observations, they are spot on. Just like Buddhism. But they both forget that there is a mechanized purpose behind it. Yes, even if we die, and we get sucked up by soul-jester-psychos or whatever, it's a part of the process.

      It's really that simple guys. For all the good, there has to be an equal amount of bad. That's the Law. That's the way it is. And I think if we die and learn enough to advance to higher levels, it's gonna be the same story there.

      We're here to learn. You need the good and the evil to do both. I laugh because OP image is a fantastic summarization of what snapped me outta nihilistic Gnostic interpretations, which only lead to desperation and despair.

      Again, they aren't WRONG, but the next question must logically become "what now?" and instead both sides go "No, this is bad. I shall escape!"

      I don't think it's the right look.

      >it's gonna be the same story there.
      They will train you to be an archon, and then, a star being, they also need angels to guide people through the judgment. There are all kinds of entities involved in the process.

      There is no escape, but we can be promoted.

      If you talk about escaping, they will look at you like you are mentally ill, the way people look at you if you say you're suicidal here.

      There are probably ways to get Gnosis in 10x faster of an amount of time without requiring a body. Souls probably try to influence people to level up faster. Similar to gambling addicts here. Gnostics just want to cheat their way out. The people who earn it are the ones who actually participate. You may even make fun of them and call them Hylics. They will be the ones judging you in the end.

      I mean if you're going to be judged by some archon homos why not just worship Christ so you don't go to hell?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >new age
        Gnosticism is much older than your Apocalypse of John based power fantasies. There's absolutely nothing honorable about wanting to hurt other people, it's just pathetic. And worshiping Jesus is idolatry.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the /x/ version of a bait thread?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE DEMIURGE IS RAPING ME SOPHIA HELP

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