Suicide

Yes, all if not most religious texts seem to say suicide has negative implications, but are there any ways to bypass any negative karma or other negative implications? Does one incur ''penalties'' for causing suffering for others as a result of kys? Does ''Mahasamadhi'' count as suicide?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Suicide as usually perceived does have negative connotations in pretty much all traditions, it's because it goes against self preservation which mysticism usually interprets as the gift of life from a deity figure.

    However, some traditions have rites that are technically suicide but are seen differently, more like "letting go" because one is prepared to "ascend". So this just goes to show that suicide's negative connotations are relative to one's spiritual growth, meaning that the average person can't commit suicide properly and thus a generalization has settled where suicide is "sinful" or "unskillful" when in reality it isn't always the case.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I guess the only proper way is Mahasamadhi, or something similar to this

      >Mahasamadhi is a different experience to the death that happens for unenlightened beings. To enter mahasamadhi is an event that occurs only once. In making the decision to release their mortal body, the yogi also extinguishes their karma, thus ceasing the cycle of death and rebirth.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Well it's a complex topic and it's affected by each tradition's spiritual legalities. For example in christianity suicide is popularly one of the worst things you con do, but selflessness is one of the most highly regarded qualities, so giving up your life for others seems to qualify as a form of "skillful" suicide in that tradition.

        Also, just try to think about why suicide is seen as "sinful" or "unskillful" and you'll eventually realize the more subtle elements to it and how to work around it your own way.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I have been told once that giving up your life saving someone means basically almost instant ascension

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't count on that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Suicide only counts if you deliberately take your own life to run away. Sacrifice via jumping into a dangerous situation to help another (or even just for your own goals) doesn't count as suicide because you're just putting your life in Gods hands and if he wants you to survive he will see to it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You arrived at the right conclusion but your reasoning process has me irked.

      What you said makes it seem like "once you get to a certain level in spiritual growth one may 'commit suicide properly'"
      I disagree with this sentiment. The desire for ego'ed individuals to kill themselves stems from the pain and contradictions of thought the ego is experiencing. Once you kill your ego, death of the body becomes a third rate calamity that you really don't care when it happens, that is not the same thing as "being properly prepared and skilled to kys correctly"

      I know this may come off as splitting hairs but i think this qualitative difference is important. Especially for those who are on the path but have yet to brutally murder their ego.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I know that in some eastern tradition (I don't remember which) there is an acceptable form of suicide in which you simply withdrawal from everyone and fast yourself to death.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There are three proper ways detailed in the Vedic texts to end one's current life prematurely. In order of preferred method:
    >to focus the internal energy such that the body temperature rises greatly and immolates the body
    >to enter into a sacred body of water and drown the body without external means of staying submerged
    >to fast until death
    All paths are meant to show the amount one is doing the deed as a matter of not being attached to the body and samsara, rather than doing so at a rejection of the current situation's suffering.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You'll get a reincarnation where similiar circunstances will repeat and faced with same dillemas and feelings again.

    Better to work what you can on it now.

  5. 1 week ago
    No Political Solution

    THE EVIL god RUINING THINGS FOR MANKING SHOULD COMMIT SUICIDE AND HIS GAY BBC LOVING SERVANT GOLDBERG TOO!!!

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You as a conscious entity cannot "die". Have fun waking up in the time-line where something went wrong and you survived in even worse conditions than you started with.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think suicide by starvation fools karma pretty hard. What will it do? Judge me by not eating?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My brother died when he was 14 and I was 12. I saw the effect it had on my parents, especially my mother. You deserve to get your eternal ass kicked over and over for doing that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      in situations like this autonomy takes precedence.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        According to who?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Autonomy is a myth.
        Everything is interdependant.
        "Muh free will" doesn't mean you are ultimately autonomous. The fact there was a rebellious angel at the beginning of time and that the very fact of its rebellion is where we get the initial division from good and evil is illustrative of this. Ignore this at your infinite peril.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Of course it does have negative connotations everywhere, no one likes to lose slaves, slaves are supposed to work.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity more or less directly suggests suicide as a goal. Jesus said to sell all your belongings, give it to the poor, crucify yourself and collect rewards in heaven cause some shitty thief stole this kingdom and rules here and he's an butthole... that's the basis of the whole thing, no?

    And in Hinduism the upandishads tells the story of the great spirit and the secret of death, the finality is that upon true understanding the final stage is releasing your hold and desire for life, accepting death, and not taking to life anymore... you rejoin the God head because you perpetually suicide, you won't eat, you won't participate, no more desire, no more taking to life... just forever death in this plane of being, no karma, no works, no worries, detachment, no mind, no deceiver, one with what is, that which you are wed. And Buddhism is just diet Hinduism isn't it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If you think you need to stop activity to accept death, then you are not on the platform where you can suicide in knowledge.
      If you have reached that level of realization, the activity of suicide is no longer needed.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I think it is not really like you are committing suicide, more like suggesting that you don't desire to die and you don't desire to live, it is not the relevant point, it is a let go, a release, a submission to all, to stop holding on and be liberated from sensory, not death, not life, not rebirth, a being, and contentment with what is, no longer requiring action, content in peace and from peace, bliss... no more context, no more requirement, absolution of self, realization and to accept and be all the way on to not holding to this life, to the next, or the sensory that is involved a mind set on I am until there is realization that there is no mind, no world, only an all pervading I am.

        I think the story of Gautama reflects this to. Starving in the jungle for the sake of others, to realize. And when a small child came to feed him, understanding. There is suffering, but it is in your hands, you can alleviate it for self and others as we are together. He then realized and let go, and he knew after that. You can allow total anhilation, nirvana. Good thoughts, good actions, good being, heaven. Bad thoughts, bad actions, bad being, hell. No mind, no action, no self, nirvana, peace, bliss, dissolution.

        These things seem connected to what is here in context and given. However this world is full of fake context and made up suggestions. There is probably mind outside of mind, context outside of context, thoughts outside of these contained parameters. More than what's here... more senses, greater understandings, a better view.

        There is no point to taking ones own life beyond desire from what I can tell, but there is no point to keeping it beyond desire as well. Perhaps use it to make what is, better. Build I suppose or alleviate what harms.

        And why? Well I am. And thatbis how I am. I can't tell you otherwise. It is as I am and what's given. It might not matter, but if it matters doesn't seem to matter, it is my preference. Being is harder than saying though.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes that was all contained within the second sentence.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Buddhism is quite different from Hinduism.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    can I suicide myself without having to dying?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dubs checked, hey man don't anhero u got so much to live for like .....yea that's what I thought punk take the easy way out or make it look like that's what you're doing cuz u flaw. b***h made, slackass Black person better find Jesus before I find him

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently you won't incur a penalty if you die trying to spread the gospel to North Sentinel Island.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It is murder and despair, two ills. I place no blame on it; most have a point where we don't want to go on, even if we could.
    >Does one incur ''penalties'' for causing suffering for others as a result of kys
    You get to be the judge of that if you do it. An eternal soul has the patience to atone fully.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Digits!
    What difference does it make?
    They say you will be sent back with ten times the torment, when you return to learn the same lesson that you failed to learn the first time.
    Maybe you need more incentive.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >you lived long enough to have a survive a stroke and be wheelchair bound for 5 years!
    >you lived long enough to be diagnosed with an extremely painful form of cancer that you will fight for 4 years!

    Why is suicide bad again? Going out in 1 day on your own terms seems like the best way possible to go.

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