So, Christianity is just a slightly edited version of hermeticism?

So, Christianity is just a slightly edited version of hermeticism? I just went deeper into hermeticism but there are things that make no sense to me, first the idea that humans are somehow extremely special and animals are literal npcs. Second the idea of desire, I never understood why in so many religions they push this idea that desire is bad, Yes i understand the view that if you lust for something you can't have and for example steal/rape etc. it's bad, obviously, but to me morality has always been simple, Just use your empathy and treat people as you'd like to be treated. How can desire be bad when it's a motivating force to improve ourselves? How is having a really strong connection with a woman and having sex and enjoying yourself bad when no one loses in that situation? How is becoming rich and doing things you always wanted, having freedom, helping other people bad? The only way it makes sense is as a controlling religion to make peasants not want more. I just don't see how desire is bad in a man who's good.
And like always my biggest problem, Why even create the world as it is? When you could create a world where you can fill all your desires in a beneficial way, starting by not designing the world to be about creatures needing to eat each other to survive.
I don't know, nothing makes sense to me, unironically the thing that makes the most sense is that we wanted to experience this life just to see how it is, because the other beliefs: gnosticism,hermeticism,christianity,buddhism just have too many contradictions for me to believe.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what of what you said is in hermeticism though?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That humans are the only ones who are special and that desire is bad.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I only know it from the As above, so below thing, I didn't know it stole that much from the christian or that it had the same creation myth.
        >Why even create the world as it is?
        afaik gnostic sects are famous for saying the world is a mistake and some are christian while others aren't. I don't know of it saying explicitly something about animals or desire giving you bad karma

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          All gnostics are christian, the word was used to specifically refer to christian sects accused of heresy by the proto-orthodox church. In regards to hermeticism that's more like an egyptian pagan version of platonism and they didn't think material was evil, that's also what freemasons believe.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It was especially considered to be important during the Renaissance and the Reformation, in which Hermeticism would often function as a type of intermediate position between Christianity and paganism.
            https://sacred-texts.com/alc/hm1/hm110.htm
            This seems to contain a lot of christian terms. I think because it's a syncretic religion, some of it got mixed with the Egyptian (Thoth) and Greek (Hermes) stuff.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't it more platonism based though with pagan mythology? A lot like how gnosticism was basically platonism with israeli ideas on top.

            I can't prove for 100% certainty that YOU can recognize yourself in the mirror. It's also an assumption
            [...]
            Possibly depending how you define good. You can argue that by existing you can go out and prevent more harm then you will cause through existence.
            I'm not particularly concerned with suffering I'm causing. If an action isn't violating someone else's rights I don't particularly care suffering or not (like a doctor giving someone an injection with their consent causing suffering but not violating their rights)
            I'm not convinced that plants have any consciousness or an amount of consciousness similar to a newborn human baby or even a fetus. I am convinced that all mammals and birds have an amount of consciousness similar to or greater than a human baby so I think they should have the same rights.

            People should have the right to starve themselves to death uninterrupted by the state and the police and medical system if they choose to do so for religious or philosophical reasons.

            Yes you can, a talking intelligent human can simply say that they recognize themselves, unlike an animal

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They can also lie

            They can just utter the sounds out of their mouth "I recognize myself" without any way for me to know for one hundred percent certain that they know what those words actually mean. Even if I ask them to explain what they do and prove it to me I still don't know for 100% certain those words weren't also just spoken without knowledge of what they mean. I still have to make an assumption
            Yes it's less of a leap of faith for me to believe they are recognizing themselves in the mirror when they tell me they are but it's still a leap of faith. If you're going to set up such a high standard of proof for animals in the mirror test then why should I believe humans can pass it either?

            https://www.esalq.usp.br/lepse/imgs/conteudo_thumb/Plant-Consciousness---The-Fascinating-Evidence-Showing-Plants-Have-Human-Level-Intelligence--Feelings--Pain-and-More.pdf

            Yes plants have intelligence and can react to stimuli but I saw no proof of consciousness or an ability to have a subjective experience.
            The second paragraph claims they have brains and that's just laughable.

            Where's the nociceptors?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Rofl you want proof of plants having a subjective experience when we can't even prove other humans have a subjective experience top kek.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's assumptions based on evidence.
            I'm very confident other humans are conscious. it's pointing out that if he's going to have such an insanely high standard of proof for if animals can recognize themselves in the mirror that he doesn't believe they can then he'd also have such a high standard of proof that he cant believe humans can recognize themselves in the mirror

            Robots are less than animals. They're just mechanisms that process data through comman line functions. They don't think, anon, and have no cellular functions or DNA. They're just clouds of atoms mistaken as similar to us because of pattern functions

            And he has to assume that other humans and animals aren't robots and can recognize themselves in the mirror

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well technically you cannot prove anything. But we can get a very good idea what another human thinks by talking to them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and I get a very good idea that an animal posses self awareness by passing the mirror test. It's a challenging test few species of animals can pass and some humans fail

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have no idea what they're thinking

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm making inferences based on behavior. It's the same thing you're doing just with more behaviors (talking)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But these more behaviors give you a far greater incite than simply observing animal behavior. You're making a false equation.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

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          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dogs either treat the image as another animal, or come to ignore it completely.

            The Eurasian magpie is the first non-mammal to have been found to pass the mirror test. In 2008, researchers applied a small red, yellow, or black sticker to the throat of five Eurasian magpies, where they could be seen by the bird only by using a mirror. The birds were then given a mirror. The feel of the sticker on their throats did not seem to alarm the magpies. However, when the birds with colored stickers glimpsed themselves in the mirror, they scratched at their throats—a clear indication that they recognised the image in the mirror as their own. Those that received a black sticker, invisible against the black neck feathers, did not react.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            One can be a Hermeticist and simultaneously disagree with the finer details of dogma. I don't personally believe in animals lacking the capability for logical thought or self-reflection. I believe all knowledge is learned. However, I'm not the anon you have been arguing with

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Wasn't it like Platonism
            More like proto-Platonic. People like Plato, Pythagoras, Apollonius, etc. would claim to have been students of Trismegistus from time to time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But whose teachings was it actually based on, Plato or a mythological figure?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hermeticism was never based on Plato. It was a coalescence of the mystical rites of Old Egyptian priests who were venorated as Thoth, and the semi-druidic Pan/Hermes worship in Greece at the time. Like how Horus became Bacchus.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What if there's a robot that looks at itself in the mirror and says it recognizes itself?

            https://www.esalq.usp.br/lepse/imgs/conteudo_thumb/Plant-Consciousness---The-Fascinating-Evidence-Showing-Plants-Have-Human-Level-Intelligence--Feelings--Pain-and-More.pdf

            No, you can't prove that at all. This fact doesn't help your argument so not sure why you posted it.

            Some animals can literally notice the difference on their own bodies and some can't.

            In one study, 34 captive giant pandas of a wide range of ages were tested. None of the pandas responded to the mark(a dot drawn on their body while they were asleep) and many reacted aggressively towards the mirror, causing the researchers to consider the pandas viewed their reflection as a conspecific.

            Researchers in a study on two male bottlenose dolphins observed their reactions to mirrors after having a mark placed on them. Reactions such as decreased delay in approaching the mirror, repetitious head circling and close viewing of the eye or genital region that had been marked, were reported as evidence of MSR(mirror self recognition) in these species

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Robots are less than animals. They're just mechanisms that process data through comman line functions. They don't think, anon, and have no cellular functions or DNA. They're just clouds of atoms mistaken as similar to us because of pattern functions

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of desires end with the subjugation of others. Life is about finding out the meaning of the word good. Good desires are good. Bad intentions are real. The very young don’t know how to distinguish. The adolescent can tell the difference but still chooses the bad, and often this leads to no longer being able to tell the difference. A forgetting of the concepts of good and bad often occurs at this stage.

    To know the difference and desire the good desires and reject the bad, this is spiritual adulthood, no matter what anyone tells you. The current soul trap involves keeping everyone in a state of adolescent development, not knowing the difference between good and bad desires and just following desires wherever they lead.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But what's the point of creating life like this? If we go by the greatest good shouldn't we just stop living? To live is to make other creatures suffer since you need to kill them and eat them, even if you go vegan you still kill plants. IF we really want to do the "greatest good" how is killing ourselves not the best answer? Of course all of this could've been avoided if the world wasn't created in a way that to reach your desires others need to suffer.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        your memories and energy contained with them is like ambrosia to them
        were cattle, getting milked after dead

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel the same way as you. I think if your logic reaches an absurd conclusion, or eliminates the possibility of coming to a sensible conclusion, you either have faulty logic or false axioms. So if that's what's happening with you, you need to examine thise things. For example, maybe killing other things to eat them isn't the only way for us to sustain ourselves. Or maybe this world isn't meant to be good in the first place. Personally, the only thing I know for sure is that there is a God, and I believe quite strongly that he is good and has our best interests in mind. Therefore it makes since to me that this world, whatever it is, is good for us. The rest is a mystery, but concepts like reincarnation and this world as a kindergarten help me make since of a lot of it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly this video makes me pretty hopeful.
          Maybe evolution is a "learning game" with the purpose of consciousness to get to the point where we realize that mutual cooperation is the way to make it. And the reason it's so brutal is because that's the fastest way to grow, also obviously a god would be so beyond our abilities that we can't even imagine it.
          But this is my most optimistic theory lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think so too, I always pray that God not let me suffer, but in the back of my mind I know he will because suffering is the best way to learn and grow, so I really just hope that the suffering isn't too extreme or more than I can handle at the moment.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If we go by the greatest good shouldn't we just stop living?
        Its not good to stop living. Its not bad either. Its just neutral. Neutral is not good.
        >To live is to make other creatures suffer since you need to kill them and eat them
        God is living the life of all the plants and animals, and suffering within them for our sake on our behalf.
        God has the strength to bear this burden.
        It must be for some great reason, if he thought it was worth it. Unfathomably important to him.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your god is not suffering anything, he has angels singing holy holy holy all day to him while he sits on a throne. And if you're going to say that he is Jesus then how come your divinely inspired books didn't manage to say that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You haven't seen god, how do you know he isn't feeling everything in this world? Though I'd agree he isn't suffering, as he is beyond such attachments.
            You think this world and life are bad, so then how can it be bad when a creature leaves this finite world and gets to spend eternity with god?
            And perhaps god didn't suffer as an animal, but he came as Jesus and suffered through him. He isn't unaware of the troubles of life. Whatever the reason, it must have been worth it for him.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            God must be all powerful, so he would have the power to end the torment at will. We don't have that. God has no presence here, so there's no reason to assume he feels anything that happens. And God is not Jesus.
            >as he is beyond such attachments.
            Oh yeah because starving and having pain from diseases is totally caused by attachment. How about you drop the buddhist rhetoric.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God must be all powerful, so he would have the power to end the torment at will. We don't have that.
            Maybe he's so powerful that several trillion years of suffering aren't enough of a deterrent to him from making this universe and hes willing to go through it.
            >God has no presence here, so there's no reason to assume he feels anything that happens.
            That depends on your perception. I've prayed and gotten answered by god.
            > And God is not Jesus.
            God is everything. Jesus is the closest a man reached towards god while drawing breath on this earth. The paradox you have is that you can't see that all things good and bad are simply god doing its best in every moment.
            If you wish to assist the forces of life which have given rise to countless generations before you, and will come after you, if you make an ally of life, you will know god in the form it manifests into creation. If you want god to be good, then you must be good, and then you will be in alignment with the forces of life which are good, and then you can see the golden path to manifest the kingdom of god on earth as it is in heaven.
            >Oh yeah because starving and having pain from diseases is totally caused by attachment. How about you drop the buddhist rhetoric.
            If the suffering exceeds the bliss of life, then death comes in a moment. I live while things are good, I die when things are bad. How is that not a perfect system?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please provide evidence that you've gotten answers from god
            >God is everything.
            That's according to your own definition of god and not a universal definition. Jesus reached to the Pleroma not the demiurge or whatever you're calling god.
            >you can't see that all things good and bad are simply god doing its best in every moment.
            You can't seem to prove this
            > I live while things are good, I die when things are bad. How is that not a perfect system?
            A perfect system is joy all the time, you have stockholm syndrome

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Please provide evidence that you've gotten answers from god
            He said I have problems with stuff because I'm trans.
            >>God is everything.
            >That's according to your own definition of god and not a universal definition. Jesus reached to the Pleroma not the demiurge or whatever you're calling god.
            Jesus said a house divided cannot stand. I see this world as his intention and will, whether you agree with that or not is your own decision, but I don't see how this place could exist if it wasn't supposed to. Things like massive planets and stars, those don't look like accidental mistakes, those are the intent and power of god.
            >>you can't see that all things good and bad are simply god doing its best in every moment.
            >You can't seem to prove this
            I see it from my own experience. I sabotaged my own life, and things got shitty. I started trying my best, and life improved. All beings from the past tried their best, and gave their best love and nurture to the next generation. This has been the case for billions of years. You either follow the tao and work within your best ability to grow, or you languish and see all your thoughts and dreams as meaningless with no permenence.
            >> I live while things are good, I die when things are bad. How is that not a perfect system?
            >A perfect system is joy all the time, you have stockholm syndrome
            Well, agree to disagree. There is no meaning if the 'joy' is simply chemical or electrical signals that tell you things are great when you get your hand chopped off.
            If your joy is simply all beings not having to die, then watch your joy for a billion years as the most primitive single celled organisms continue on in their first lifetime.
            I have a different view of the soul than you do. The soul does grow from one life to the next. When I eat something I feel its life within me, and if I go into my heart and I watch its rebirth into a new condition of existence. When a spider eats a bug to feed its young, awareness of life is transferred.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This reality is the intent of a lower creator god who is not the highest being, and there's no reason to assume that he interacts with anything here.
            >I started trying my best, and life improved.
            That's nice and all but go tell that to less privileged people in the world. The fact that you call yourself "trans", assuming that's transgender, is a sign that you had a very privileged upbringing. Did the people getting murdered in Gaza and Ukraine just not try their best?
            >Well, agree to disagree.
            Because you've never truly suffered in your life. And you're also moronic and can't comprehend anything different from the design of this reality where suffering must exist for happiness, and are unable to comprehend anything where humans are not so crudely made, and so not using brain matter and electrical signals and chemicals to experience emotions.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's Christian Gnosticism you gay. That's not what Hermes taught at all.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, that would be hermeticism. The word gnosticism refers to the christian sects.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My explanation of choice is the one in the bhagavad gita. Ultimately, desire stems from the notion that you "need" something to feel complete or entertained or whatever. This perceived need is an error in itself because it is the assumption that you are lacking something, when your soul is in fact whole and complete as it is. This is why desire is pictured as bad, it isn't bad during your earthly live as it works as a motivator, as you explained, but it is something that needs to be left behind if you want to ascend spiritually, here's another misconception though, you don't have to force it, it happens naturally as you grow spiritually and connect with the permeating love of eveything, you personality slowly shifts and you crave less and less
    The why this world was created as it is, is to provide the reality that would cause you to ask such question, if the world was nice and perfect no one would seek enlightenment, and through the process of enlightenment you grow your soul, or so I've come to believe, so again, desire is here to distract you from returning to your natural state of wholeness. It's the girl in the red dress in the matrix

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it isn't bad during your earthly live as it works as a motivator, as you explained, but it is something that needs to be left behind if you want to ascend spiritually, here's another misconception though,
      >Turn yourself into an empty puppet that eats the bugs and lives in a pod
      >Or else you stay on the prison planet
      Nah

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're talking about gnosticism more than general christian, but no. Both of them are derived from pythagoreanism and platonism and gnosticism seems to have come first if you believe the theory that Jesus didn't actually found it but it was already popular in Galilee at the time. However that works, surely the pharisees and other authorities would put a stop to that.
    >I never understood why in so many religions they push this idea that desire is bad,
    It's from the fanatic disciples of the founders of these religions being zealous and misunderstanding them, and than sort of fanaticism naturally dominates. It's not specifically desire but attachment to material, having desire can lead to attachment.

    >just have too many contradictions for me to believe.
    What are these contradictions?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm guessing you're vegan since you recognize animals can feel pain?

    Christianity being used to justify factory farming is definitely a huge deal. so much for pascals wager when Christians create literal hells on earth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of you vegan homosexuals seemed to have started proselytizing on this board a lot recently. Just so you know many of the original gnostics would have rejected your forced morals since they had no concept of karma and understood that humans are naturally made in a way that that's not our fault.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well I guess they also would have been against human slavery abolitionists for the same reason

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They'd be indifferent to it, yes. The gnostics understood that universal altruism is a moronic and useless idea. But many would probably ended up with the compassion to free their own slaves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        our fault or not, it's up to us to fix the mess on this planet. lazy fools like you just don't want to take responsibility for it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Who is "us"? Why do you try to make it seem like humans are an organized species who all work together and that there aren't more people actively trying to make things worse for their own gains than people who want to fix it? And second of all why exactly is it human's responsibility, not god's?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not vegan, isn't being vegan just being of the opinion that the lower consciousness a being is the less value its life has? Eat plants because they are lower consciousness so you are morally right. It surely works that way in our current world, which is a sad thing. I can barely have a good diet while eating meat, because of all the goyslop there is. I don't even know what i would eat with the vegan diet. The problem is in the world's design, you can't really go against it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's about reducing the amount of harm or rights violations (deontology vs utilitarianism) . Animals must eat multiple pounds of plants to make a single pound of meat milk or eggs.
        You can eat fruit from a tree without killing the tree

        But yes I think insects are less important than birds. So much so I wouldn't bother stopping s bird from eating a bug
        The consciousness gap between them is so insanely massive

        Veganism is easy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          But this is how nature works, obviously because of humans we have horrific animal factories, shouldn't the push be for more humane conditions? Me being vegan isn't gonna stop the animals suffering. Them living a fulfilling live before being eaten would obviously be the best thing since it's just how nature works

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here's one example of boycotting sparing lives you only have to watch the first five minutes or so https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc

            Humane is rarely humane. Search diy pig castration on YouTube and look how tiny homesteads operate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actually bees have been demonstrated to be smarter than than a bunch if mammals. You have no idea what's going on in the minds of any animal, so stop making assumptions to justify your worldview.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We can make inferences based on behavior. Bees have far far less ability to suffer than any mammal or bird. go lookup Cambridge declaration of consciousness
            I have no way of knowing for 100% that anyone else has anything going on in their mind so killing humans is fine.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How do you know that bees suffer less? What makes you think that you know what's going on in the mind of a bee?
            >I have no way of knowing for 100% that anyone else has anything going on in their mind so killing humans is fine.
            Well for one thing you can assume that an identical species has the same mental capacity as your own.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can't know for certain that another human can suffer and isn't just an automaton. It's an assumption based on overwhelming evidence.
            Similar to the birds and bees
            It's based on behavior they do and don't do
            Structures that exist and don't exist in the brain.

            Pigeons and magpies posses self awareness and can recognize themselves in the mirror. No insect has ever passed the mirror test
            Try giving an insect an MRI

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can make a valid and very rational assumption that they do suffer, though. And we can make the assumption that bees also suffer significantly, specially the ones that don't suicide attack.
            >and can recognize themselves in the mirror
            There's no proof of this since you cannot communicate with them. It's entirely possible they think it's another animal that looks like them and are attempting to groom them. And furthermore there's no real argument for why this should be considered a fundamental intelligence test.

            I just don't know what your point is. You say that you don't view lower consciousness as important as higher consciousness. Isn't this how everyone is thinking? That's why people treat animals poorly.
            On the point of the inhumane conditions, i saw enough and i dont want to look at them, there's plenty of fricked up humans who even enjoy torturing them. My point is that this is nature YOU ARE FORCED, literally forced to consume life, we as humans are intelligent enough and we can create a system where animals may live a decent life untill eaten. This is the best we can do. Everyone going vegan isn't something realistic, from what i know if you want to grow crops there would be a lot of animals, insects etc that would come to eat it and you would have to kill it anyway. How can you not see that it's a fricked up situation because of the world we're in?

            He doesn't want to face the fact that veganism is a false virtue and demiurge guilt tripping

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think vegans intentions are bad, but for me it seems hopeless, you are fighting nature..

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's entirely possible they think it's another animal that looks like them and are attempting to groom them.

            No it's not. You really have no idea what you're talking about
            They control for this by putting a dot on the animal while it's sleeping and seeing if they recognize it when they wake up

            I don't think vegans intentions are bad, but for me it seems hopeless, you are fighting nature..

            Not murdering humans is hopeless then. Why not kill a dozen random people if thousands will die in Ukraine it makes no difference right?

            Here's one example of boycotting sparing lives you only have to watch the first five minutes or so https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc

            Humane is rarely humane. Search diy pig castration on YouTube and look how tiny homesteads operate

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why kill random people? Animals are killed to be eaten, it's necessary to survive. Killing random people achieves nothing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why kill pigs ? Bacon is unhealthy and unnecessary and is eaten basically just for pleasure. If someone decides to kill humans just for fun how is that different?

            You have no idea what you're talking about. Prove that these animals that appear to pass the mirror actually recognize the image on the mirror as themselves and not a different individual that looks and behaves like them and copies their movement.

            How can I prove a non verbal human (disabled or toddler) who appears to recognize themselves in a mirror actually recognizes themselves and doesn't just think it's a different individual in the mirror that's copying them

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, pigs are unhealthy i don't really eat pig meat. I agree they shouldn't be eaten.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you can't prove that at all. This fact doesn't help your argument so not sure why you posted it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can't prove for 100% certainty that YOU can recognize yourself in the mirror. It's also an assumption

            Again, we need to eat to survive. Like i said in the post above, if you really want to do the greater good wouldn't it be better to just not exist? I'm not saying this trying to insult you or tell you to kys, just hypothetical. If you exist you are forced to inflict suffering. You stop eating animals, now you are forced to eat plants. Plants are even more innocent than animals they just want to chill in their place and get their energy from the sun. How many of thousands of plants will you kill in your lifetime?

            Possibly depending how you define good. You can argue that by existing you can go out and prevent more harm then you will cause through existence.
            I'm not particularly concerned with suffering I'm causing. If an action isn't violating someone else's rights I don't particularly care suffering or not (like a doctor giving someone an injection with their consent causing suffering but not violating their rights)
            I'm not convinced that plants have any consciousness or an amount of consciousness similar to a newborn human baby or even a fetus. I am convinced that all mammals and birds have an amount of consciousness similar to or greater than a human baby so I think they should have the same rights.

            People should have the right to starve themselves to death uninterrupted by the state and the police and medical system if they choose to do so for religious or philosophical reasons.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.esalq.usp.br/lepse/imgs/conteudo_thumb/Plant-Consciousness---The-Fascinating-Evidence-Showing-Plants-Have-Human-Level-Intelligence--Feelings--Pain-and-More.pdf

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have no idea what you're talking about. Prove that these animals that appear to pass the mirror actually recognize the image on the mirror as themselves and not a different individual that looks and behaves like them and copies their movement.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I just don't know what your point is. You say that you don't view lower consciousness as important as higher consciousness. Isn't this how everyone is thinking? That's why people treat animals poorly.
            On the point of the inhumane conditions, i saw enough and i dont want to look at them, there's plenty of fricked up humans who even enjoy torturing them. My point is that this is nature YOU ARE FORCED, literally forced to consume life, we as humans are intelligent enough and we can create a system where animals may live a decent life untill eaten. This is the best we can do. Everyone going vegan isn't something realistic, from what i know if you want to grow crops there would be a lot of animals, insects etc that would come to eat it and you would have to kill it anyway. How can you not see that it's a fricked up situation because of the world we're in?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No everyone isn't thinking that way because people aren't justifying killing one year old human children for the benefit of adults. But pigs are as smart as a three year old and should have as least as many rights as one year olds

            Yes you must eat living things or starve. So what? Humanely killing and eating people is fine?
            There's no humane way to intentionally execute an innocent being who doesn't want to die.
            Humans die in the production and transportation of crops as do animals. So I guess a human and animal meat trade is justified since there will be deaths of humans and animals in meat and plant agriculture?
            We have to make the best choice and veganism is it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But pigs are as smart as a three year old
            You're a fricking moron who has never watched a child grow if you believe that. Animals are born with more natural dexterity but it's incredibly obvious that human babies vastly exceed them cognitively from literally months old.

            Vegans are mentally ill and worship false "science" so called like a god. Vegans look like shit because their body is practically dying from malnutrition. I have never seen a vegan that looks healthy. You're deranged.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not obvious to me.

            Yeah, pigs are unhealthy i don't really eat pig meat. I agree they shouldn't be eaten.

            You can substitute any animal product that isn't "necessary" whatever that means (health? Survival? Happiness?)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again, we need to eat to survive. Like i said in the post above, if you really want to do the greater good wouldn't it be better to just not exist? I'm not saying this trying to insult you or tell you to kys, just hypothetical. If you exist you are forced to inflict suffering. You stop eating animals, now you are forced to eat plants. Plants are even more innocent than animals they just want to chill in their place and get their energy from the sun. How many of thousands of plants will you kill in your lifetime?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pigs can manipulate a remote control to get the result they want.
            Pigs are able to memorize long journeys in search of something they already know (They have a great memory).
            Pigs can decipher enigmas through a mirror that reflects an image.
            In persecution games with two pig individuals, when one pig figures out the enigma, the other pursues: but the first tries to deceive the other, in order to obtain all of the reward for itself.
            These types of skills are positioned by experts on an equal leveled scale to human brain development from a 3 year old. Some have even argued that pigs are smarter than dogs!

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you breve enough to exit the cave? Or perhaps go deeper? Or will you stay, stay and wait, wait for a choice to be made for you that will never be made.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hermeticism was the people's religion. It was totally separate from politics in its hayday for thousands of years, reaching back to Thaht/Thoth. Desire is also not a sin in Hermeticism. The intention of that message was moreso against gluttonous desire. The main sin in Hermeticism is actually abuse of its secrets to manipulate people (i.e. fraternities). It's very different from the Horus cult of old Egypt or the Templars, or any contemporary cult claiming to be pure Hermeticism

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since we're on the topic of Hermeticism... What do anons here think of the people who call the sole mentioning of ther word schizo psychobabble, let alone acknowledging the well-documented fact that it's one of the oldest and most consistently practiced religions on the fricking planet? Do they just not read? It takes a two second google search to show yourself that it's just as normal as any other religion. Then again, they're usually the same people who believe in Ufology and Jacques Vallet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because like the example above people confuse it with gnosticism, and not with the normal sects that romans citizens joined, but with the silly antinominal sects that worshiped the serpent and had orgies in order to own the demiurge.
      >it's one of the oldest and most consistently practiced religions
      What makes you think this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bait

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What? Is this a bot?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you're just responding to people with extremely low-effort non-sequitor trivializations. Sorry but this isn't twitter. Anons who value sardonic fence-sitting are few and far between here.
            >inb4 you feign confusion again or assert another non-sequitor platitude

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >non-sequitor
            >trivializations
            >sardonic
            Are you 16? No it's no clear at all what you're talking about.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, that was pretty thorough. Maybe you should educate yourself before trying to lord over anons like some sarcastic prick and then feigning ignorance when questioned about it. Being a socially manipulative freak isn't a way to get people to like you

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What are you talking about man? What was your original question?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here's your last (You), desperate anon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay homosexual, hope you got whatever you wanted out of this bizarre exchange

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            100% either british, freemason, or live in a tourist state. Those are the only two kinds of people on the planet who your gay evasive prose any older than high school age. Next time you want to epic own BTFO someone on EerieWeb, maybe try sincerity

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You said that you'd stop replying.
            >prose
            You don't even know what that means. A better smart person word in this context would be rhetoric.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Everyone who replies to me is the same person!
            >P-please keep replying to me!

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So, Christianity is just a slightly edited version of hermeticism?
    no, it's far worse. Christianity is devil worship

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like this image is conveniently ignoring the 616 manuscripts. Revelation is propaganda against Nero, we've been over this. It's debunked. The only thing it's good for is to bring up whenever nicene christians call gnosticism a schizo religion.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >ignoring the 616 manuscripts
        So you're just full of shit? Nice bot

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No? do you know anything about this subject? A lot of the manuscripts say 666, but others say 616. This is because Nero can be spelled two ways in Hebrew, and these are the differing gematria results.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nero was a moron who banned philosophy. He was justly killed. Read actual books and not EerieWeb diatribes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you say one thing is propaganda from one side that means you support the opposing side
          You're a useful idiot

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I no longer partake in memetic warfare. That string of words is meaningless to me

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a coherently written post. To try again, just saying that one group of people made propaganda against another group, that doesn't mean you support the other group.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's not what I meant by meaningless, anon.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No it isnt. The Secret Teachings of All Ages covers the entirety of history's theological symbolic systems. Whoever made you believe this is a brainlet beyond all belief.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >So, Christianity is just a slightly edited version of hermeticism?
    not even close, but islam is a highly edited version of christianity

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Historically, the Corpus Hermeticum was written after the New Testament, but I believe both are influenced by the Egyptian mysteries.

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