Seeing with eyes closed

I need people who have experience meditating to help me with this. For a while now i've been seeing with my eyes closed sometimes when i meditate, it seems to be a random occurrence, sometimes i sit down, close my eyes and in 30 seconds i start seeing all the outlines of my surroundings forming, it's just like seeing with my eyes opened but i see it in negative and the outlines of everything are glowy. Other times it happens after 20, 30 minutes or 1 hour. This has been happening here and there for a while, but recently i read a book on buddhist meditation where the author mentioned how seeing with your eyes closed is something that can occur, i didn't have validation from anyone up to that point, so it gave me some motivation to pursue it further.

Problem is, i've been racking my brain for reasons as to why this state triggers so randomly, sometimes just starting the meditation, others one hour deep, seemingly non-reliant on deep meditative states. I've even tried to analyze all the sensations whenever it happens and try to recreate everything, but it doesn't work whenever i want to, i can't find any trends. Since an author has mentioned it and i sometimes experience it without being a hardcore meditator, i assumed it can't be that rare and that some people here might know more about it. Someone knows how to turn this state into a reliable and consistent tool?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Breath work and more meditation will help. Its just like any instrument it just takes practice unless you’re gifted. I myself sometimes meditate at night and within about 15 minutes i can see the whole sky full of stars while in my bedroom with the blinds closed. And its like 4k visuals mind you..been this way my entire life but i believe everyone can access this with practice

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do intend to keep practicing, i'm curious as to why it is so "random", in my case at least, trying to catch some lead so at least i can attempt to recreate it instead of it happening for no apparent reason.

      >i can see the whole sky full of stars while in my bedroom with the blinds closed
      I've never had the experience of seeing through walls or blinds, although i guess seeing through the eyelids is still seeing through something. The best way i can describe my experience is by comparing it to an afterimage when you look at something for a long time and close your eyes. Except i get an "afterimage" of my whole field of vision, it's stable and it doesn't fade away until i open my eyes. Using this when it's happened i've walked around my house in the dark with eyes closed and zero issues, it'd be a neat skill to have access to in a reliable way.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I get this too, some sort of ESP.
    A lot of people on /x/ are born psychics who were victims of childhood abuse by parents/government/both, I am starting to realize.

    This website is fricking creepy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting. I discovered I could do this accidentally and reliably but I haven't really been able to make much use of it or develop it very much. I'd be curious if there is meaning to it or practical use.

      I had it once years ago practising tai chi pushing hands with a partner. I had my eyes closed and suddenly I could see where their body and arms were. It was in red, and glowy as OP said. I haven't had it happen since though, even in meditation.

      Interesting... Mine is a glowing bright aqua color, not red. I don't know if there is any major significance to this at all.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I discovered I could do this accidentally and reliably
        What is your process exactly, and how long does it take for you?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I usually just sit with my eyes closed and relax, controlling breathing. As

          Oh shit, you just brought up a memory from when I was younger. I remember I use to be so confused that you could see your own body even if you completely covered your eyes. I originally thought it was cause eyelids let light through but eventually tested it with blankets wrapped around my entire head. I remember going online and trying to find scientific explanations about the bodies electrical signals pulsing through your body that allows you to see it always or some shit. I couldn't find anything so I just dropped it.
          I think I haven't thought about it in years, so I eventually lost the ability I guess.

          this anon pointed out the first few times I found I could do it, I thought it was light coming through my eyelids so I tried all manner of ways of covering my eyes before I had sewn basically a small headband made of a material thick enough to work as a miniature blackout blind so no light could get into my eyes and found I could still see with it on. But basically after that I just relax enough until I can't really feel my body and then slowly move a hand in front of my face and usually by that point I can see that faint glow of my body. If I continue to focus I can get it to glow brighter. What I still haven't been able to control fully is how to control my surroundings as sometimes my surrounds melt into a brilliant void filled with stars, and other times it's a simplistic outlined interpretation of my surroundings which I can sometimes get up and move around in physically without bumping into anything. I know for a fact that this is a conscious and waking effort as the first time I discovered I could do this was unintentionally while recovering from food poisoning at a friend's apartment which I was wholly unfamiliar with the layout of at 2-3AM in the pitch black but thanks to the slight glowing outlines with my eyes closed I could see everything as plain as day, but with no detail to anything like packaging or textures.

          One side note, another anon here mentions that it feels like a dull pulsing sensation through your body when you're doing it right. Its been a few months since I've done it, but if I remember right then that sounds correct. I just don't do it a lot because I haven't found a use or reason for it. But this thread has got me wondering what the frick it is.

          I do wonder if the colour of one's glow has any significant meaning.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't look at it from that perspective, i always focus on my surroundings when i'm trying to make it happen, so maybe focusing on my hands first makes it easier. First time it happened for me it was my legs and then my hands that i saw first, but all the other times my surroundings just suddenly appear so i never considered seeing the body was easier than the surroundings. I'll be trying to start from my hands from now on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah it's true and pretty cool let's all train our powers together yay!

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I had it once years ago practising tai chi pushing hands with a partner. I had my eyes closed and suddenly I could see where their body and arms were. It was in red, and glowy as OP said. I haven't had it happen since though, even in meditation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, this is actually interesting because i tend to incorporate some qi gong during my meditations. It's always happened to me while doing this, but since i can't recreate it i'm not sure if it has something to do or not. But the fact it happened to you while doing tai chi might be a lead.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I assumed it was my brain/nervous system registering the energy of their body. I expect that tuning in to that aspect of the world around us might reproduce your experience. Like tuning a radio?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I will try to focus more on the energetic aspect of my meditation, although i'm kinda iffy about moving stuff around carelessly since i've experienced extreme long lasting pain and discomfort because of it. But still if i pay more attention to that i might find some clue there next time it happens.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >'m kinda iffy about moving stuff around carelessly since i've experienced extreme long lasting pain and discomfort because of it.

            Yes this is something I warn against when I teach. Two possible causes, first, people hear about 'moving energy' but actually strain their etheric body by trying to move that instead. That aspect of you is supposed to stay where it is, firmly integrated with your physical body. The etheric energy, chi, prana, etc, is what moves through us, and it feels easier and more fluid than the denser etheric body.

            But second, there are still risks in consciously moving energy around. Areas of problems in the body can be disrupted and unbalanced, or have the energy they hold magnified, worsening tensions, problems, and symptoms.

            For most purposes these days I focus on the potential for stillness in the background. This allows the body energy to settle, and any movement of energy or rebalancing which the body wants to do can happen gently and spontaneously without any forcing or even guiding. I always now start any meditation with this focus on allowing the body to settle, and any energetic rebalancing to happen, first.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            When i move it around the feeling i get is a tickling feeling of "weakness" wherever i focus my attention to move it. I actually don't know if it's the etheric body or "energy", or if it's moving or if it's just my attention moving, or if the attention moving directly constitutes the etheric body or the "energy" moving.

            Kinda green on that, i just know it by feeling. My negative experience with it is of extreme burning sensation in limbs when i "gather" too much of it in one place, like legs or arms. I don't know if that tells you anything, but in any case i don't go to that extent anymore.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fricking shit dude. I experienced this for about a decade. First time it happened I figured it was just my brain playing tricks on me. Second time I held my hand in front of my face to test it. Third time I got up, and walked around my house, just to be sure. I see with my eyes shut, and it looks just like you described. I haven't been able to meditate properly and haven't experienced it since I quit smoking, about 9 years ago. Really exciting to see someone else has experienced this exact phenomenon, I could never find anything out about it online, and any time I spoke to anyone (even paranormal believers) they thought I was fricking moronic. Reading this made my day anon, I think I'm going to try again tonight!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well it seems we've had the exact same experience, first time it happened i suddenly noticed i could see my legs and then i looked in front of me (eyes closed) and i started seeing my room in detail. Tested looking at my hands next and from there on i started walking around my house whenever it happened.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know if it's related or not, but do you smoke tobacco/cigarettes? For years I've been trying to figure out and piece together why all of my experiences stopped when I quit smoking. My whole life, since I was a child, I experienced strange phenomenon, like premonitions in my dreams, what I believe to be Astral projection or lucid dreaming, sharing dreams with my younger brother, and the ability to meditate and conjur physical sensations. All of that was heightened and expanded when I started smoking, to the point where as soon as I closed my eyes with the intent to do so, I could experience something, I could even control my heart rate on command with a thought. But it all stopped and I can't make sense of it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, i do smoke tobacco. Although i can't personally attribute it to tobacco since i've never dropped it and i started smoking when i was 15 (european...). I guess it could be , but then again even if before i was 15 i was already interested in occultism, it wasn't until after 15 that i started getting more involved with it, getting more into it could've also played a part.

          Can't say for sure about the effects of tobacco.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nervous system maybe.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh shit, you just brought up a memory from when I was younger. I remember I use to be so confused that you could see your own body even if you completely covered your eyes. I originally thought it was cause eyelids let light through but eventually tested it with blankets wrapped around my entire head. I remember going online and trying to find scientific explanations about the bodies electrical signals pulsing through your body that allows you to see it always or some shit. I couldn't find anything so I just dropped it.
      I think I haven't thought about it in years, so I eventually lost the ability I guess.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When I had a shizo encounter on weed one of the guys would describe seing inverted as kind of a deed. I always thought about it allegorically, as in „seing in your dreams“ (as in nighs as day). I would not be surprised if it is an actual gift though.

      I am not that sure anymore tbh, but I think it was what he would call „shifting“.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it occurs when part of our consciousness is extending beyond the skull out into space. I focus on that area surrounding me, and I tend to see stuff when I do that.
    Its your third eye that allows you to see like that. If you let go of the need for your third eye to see in the same color spectrum and same vibrancy as your physical eyes, you will find that you can see quite a lot of stuff that way.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Focus your prana into your third eye silly

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    cross your eyes and look upwards with your eyelids shut and breathe very deeply and slowly, you should feel pressure build in your forehead and it should move further back through your brain with each breath until you get it to your brain stem. After this let your eyes go back to normal while still keeping them closed, you need some sort of dim light source like a window at night with no curtains. Keep breathing deeply until what looks like a top down view of ripples on water start to appear, then focus on them. It works best if you're sleepy already but you dont fall asleep.

    After you do this wether you see anything is completely random. If you somehow see a green dot focus on it until it becomes yellow or blue, then red will appear. If you get all the colors then you can create lucid dreams while awake, its fricking awesome. Dont open your eyelids at any point or you'll have to restart.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you somehow see a green dot focus on it until it becomes yellow or blue, then red will appear. If you get all the colors then you can create lucid dreams while awake
      This is kasina practice which develops a nimitta (the colored dot), which allows you to visualize with eyes opened when you "grow it" or cultivate it.

      I mean it's literally that, i'm curious to know if you've read this anywhere or you know about kasinas.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        never heard of that. I discovered how to do this completely by accident

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've had this happen to me before in meditation but it happened unprompted when I WASNt meditating and had been using shrooms, any reason for this?

    The closed eye "image" of my surroundings looked more clear on shrooms too

  10. 2 months ago
    DonktheClown

    >i assumed it can't be that rare and that some people here might know more about it.
    I wish. I've been meditating for 10 years and that has never happened to me.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I managed to achieve it once while doing Hemi-Sync Focus 12 but never again after that.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are more than your physical body, because you are more than physical matter.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's other brain data represented in your consciousness
    with your eyes open your consciousness consists of your senses, all of which is brain signals
    as neurons aren't really isolated in electrical sense you can exploit this
    you see, your consciousness translates brain data to sensory experience
    when you close your eyes you will start to see Closed Eye Visuals
    they're product of the unconscious, the spine nerves, the more you experience them the stronger neural connection you make to your spine, limbs, skin
    if you keep your eyes open and stare in a mirror things start to melt
    these visuals are product of the gut, more experience more experience more connections to the organs
    building both of these connections leads to significant insights into one's own nature
    but since you're bringing them to consciousness you're conceding lots of control of the body, to the body
    this can be deadly
    psychedelics make the process easier and the only downside is more risk
    the roof can be reached in many ways

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is like a lightish reddish brownish and whitish mist, with impressions of the surroundings.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, that, I sometimes expirience that too, whenm I am falling asleep, or just am lying with my eys closed.

    I suspect that it is your braid trying to fill gaps in your [perception kind of thing, aka, imagination+ a tiny bit of very minor halucinations caused by depravation of sight for a period of time+ being relaxed

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP here, i wanna make something clear before narratives form around the wrong ideas. This is not some gap filling or visual purple crutch, or a rendered projection. When it happens i just can see with my eyes closed the same way i see with my eyes opened, only difference being the colors and that the outlines of things are glowy, nothing more nothing less. I've walked around my house in the dark while doing this many times, i've interacted with objects, seen my dog pass by or follow me, i haven't tripped once, i see perfectly fine with my eyes closed and in the dark when this happens.

    There are more people than i thought that have experienced it, although i knew it couldn't be that rare either, still hoping someone with some practical background has some more info on it.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I used to experience that same thing while meditating, after smoking weed. I was able to see my room around me and sometimes even myself.

    Turning my eyes up until feeling pressure in my forehead and relaxing afterwards, often helped.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    On the note of colours and potential significance of the colour of one's body's natural glow when in this state, I found this post. As another anon in the thread points out (though I'm not sure how much weight it holds tbh) it does seem to align traditionally so with the chakras and vibrational states which I believe were discussed ITT as well from Red being lowest to Violet being highest?

    So if we were to assume then that holds any water, would it be safe to assume that gives some indication of some natural state/level that an individual either naturally sits spiritually or has trained themselves to?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >colour, chakras
      No, the literal attribution of specific colours to chakras isn't real. They do not have colours, we only see them as our minds interpret them. As our minds are used to interpreting different frequencies of light in terms of colours, we might use this pathway to interpret different 'frequencies' of subtle energy. But anything more than that is arbitrary.

  19. 2 months ago
    The Antichrist

    sounds like a siddhi you should express Gratitude

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts at the moment are that when experiencing this the person is picking up sensate data that isn't visual and generating a visual of it. As to where is this data coming from, one can only speculate but considering the context i'm inclined to think it could be some sort of field interaction that your nervous system is interpreting directly and that the brain is translating into visuals.

  21. 2 months ago
    Aninymous

    Try it in different environments, the train, the bus, class, work, home, the movies, restaurants. It really depends on the frequency of the higher beings there with you. If you're alone you might see outlines of your room, if you're in the presence of the Great you will see them and you will see them with your heart.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good idea, I might try this but it might be hard to focus

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you can do it reliably maybe you should try looking at a magnet while doing it. I don't know what kind of information is being retrieved from the environment when doing this, but i think magnets and electric sources should be tested first.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've searched around the internet for an hour and i've found a handful of old posts relating to this, mostly people discussing this experience happening randomly, saw someone saying it happened to them while riding the bus and closing their eyes while listening to music. It's sadly always addressed as some sort of mental map of your surroundings drawn from memory. Needless to say whoever has experienced it can tell that's not the case.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Used to be able to do this until college. I could see the aura/outline of objects/people, even the palm of my hand hovering over my head. All stopped when I began consuming social media

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    is it like the intro to See?

    if so, this is what i call synesthetic vision - allowing other senses to drive your 'sight', which is not *actually* tied to your eyeballs at all.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've got a random picture of a bedroom and edit it with photoshop to make it look as close as possible to what it actually looks like when this happens. The textures are almost completely lost when it happens to me but it's close enough, the outlines are the exact same.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Also forgot to say, the outlines aren't static, they're flowy, like there's movement to them even if they stay true to the shape of the object.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That seems like hypnagogia and you beginning to lucid dream your normal surroundings. Try to find your hands and feet with this vision without moving your physical body, try to 'look' at them with this altered perception. You're probably super close to WILD (wake induced lucid dreaming) and OBE type astral projection dreams.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's not hypnagogia, me and others in this thread have walked around during this state, and hypnagogia doesn't explain why i am able to navigate everything in the dark with eyes closed and see my dog following me and walking around. It's just not related to sleep, i've had it happen to me literally 30 seconds into meditation right after sitting down, not even lying down.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            a night vision camera recording yourself doing a difficult task in the dark would be informative.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It wouldn't be informative, it would be me doing something in the dark. I'm not interested in having discussions about the authenticity of the experience, didn't expect people to believe everything i said. I'm only looking for others who have experienced it to see if they have leads on how to make it more reliable, which is been a success since i've got a couple ideas as to how to adjust my practice thanks to this thread.

            I'm keeping it alive a little longer cause new people keep popping up saying they also experience the same thing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can use your astral body while awake to look at stuff.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got this after getting knocked out in an explosion, it was super hard to explain to my doctors but I retired at 18. Almost two decades now, I get it several times a day.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've had this a few times. When it's really intense it's like almost like I can see normally but there's a deep blue filter over my vision.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    man i can relate

    i once huffed a load of lighter fluid, and a simulacrum of my immediate surroundings replaced my immediate surroundings, but with alterations, like there would be a fence nearby exactly where the actual fence would be, but there would be a gap in the fence to an infinite field with a flat horizon where there would normally be buildings, but it wasn't the real world as seen through my eyes, because it all looked virtual, like a basic graphical rendition of the area, and yet certain elements were relative to where they were really.

    can meditation also achieve this sort of thing?

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actually this is eccholocation and not paranormal. Some blind people can navigate this way.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In a silent room while making no noise? I tried to learn how to do echolocation long ago but couldn't do it. I believe this is seperate.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In a silent room while making no noise? I tried to learn how to do echolocation long ago but couldn't do it. I believe this is seperate.

      Yeah, when this happens the image you get is a constant feedback just like seeing with open eyes. Everything having diffused glowing edges makes me think the source of the information you're getting has to be some constant source of some sort of radiation and being picked up by a sensory channel that is not one of your typical five ones.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sick print, what technique was used to get that image on the left?

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For a while back during the 1990s I was seeing something similar.. I was involved in interactions with the beings from the stars on a regular basis and very nearly fully conscious during a majority of these interactions.. and I found that I was able to see when their vehicle was passing fast and far overhead with my eyes closed.. and this was while I was indoors and looking through closed eyes and through the ceiling and roof.. whatever the reason is.. it's a matter of the physics of the optical processing of the brain and nerves and is not as easy to explain as they think.. these people who are relying on the status quo to be the basis of reality. For context they were also deliberately putting the vehicles on physical display on occasion as if to reassure that the otherwise dreamlike interactions were actually tangible in nature

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dilated pupils can help cause this, as well as plain out elevated sensory receipt. Had this happen exactly as you describe when using meth heavily back when I was an addict. It's a combination of light leakage through the eyelids, memory, and sound. Very cool when it happens. Also experienced music playing in slow motion for the same reason

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Happened to me during a yoga teacher training session after doing a lot of yoga, chanting and breathe work and meditation throughout the day. I think it’s just like a siddhi that can get triggered. At the end of the day they don’t really mean much beyond “hey this is kind of proof to me personally there’s something out there beyond the reality I thought there was”, it doesn’t bring you any closer to enlightenment and it actually can keep you from it if you go chasing powers instead of focusing on the dissolution of the ego. Definitely is proof you aren’t a hylic though and kind of a nudge if you want to keep exploring the spiritual path and really put in some effort you can make some major growth in this lifetime.

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