redpill me on Islam

I'm really questioning the superiority of western civilization. Also, I have been dating a Muslim woman for the past 5 months; so even though my better judgement is saying "no" I feel like I am being magnetically drawn to Islam, so I am saying that the possibility is on the table.

Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14

Nothing Ever Happens Shirt $21.68

Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The religion that has more control of the simulation is the legitimate one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are you admitting it's true?

      >I'm really questioning the superiority of western civilization
      >I will just convert to Muslim while still staying in western civilization
      Where are you planning to move?

      I wouldn't risk moving anywhere outside the US, big risk.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >western civilization isn't superior
        >everywhere else is just inferior
        That's the way it has always been.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Western """"civilization""" is nothing but technologists playing with their dicks and amusing themselves.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >build a gated community where only fellow christians can go and they need to prove themselves through long interview processes
            >run off minority communities through home loan schemes
            >now this is illegal and people pretend that the reality it created was just an illusion
            Many such cases.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Western society is a shopping mall and a prostitutehouse, yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas
            The common man is a dog who's only purpose is to consume treats from their masters.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > common man is a dog who's only purpose is to consume treats from their masters.
            The master's don't produce treats, they just shit on the floor and claims to be artists.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no simulation except that one confusing non-reality as reality and reality as non-reality and, forming a stance and viewpoint therein/thereupon, arrives at that stance and viewpoint.

      Devoid of such delusion, one concludes "there is reality".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dated a Muslim girl named Khadija in high school. She was "prude." I dumped her before prom because I wanted to get laid. That was the worst fricking decision I made in my entire life and not a day passes without its painful regret.

      The West is confused. I don't know if Islam is The Way or not. But it is plane as day to me that the West has its head up its ass and Islam has its head in the stars.

      Look at us! We are utterly lost!

      islam is cucked and globalist

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dated a Muslim girl named Khadija in high school. She was "prude." I dumped her before prom because I wanted to get laid. That was the worst fricking decision I made in my entire life and not a day passes without its painful regret.

    The West is confused. I don't know if Islam is The Way or not. But it is plane as day to me that the West has its head up its ass and Islam has its head in the stars.

    Look at us! We are utterly lost!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That was the worst fricking decision I made in my entire life and not a day passes without its painful regret.
      Here is a buddhist sutta on the proper practice of attending to feelings. Hopefully you can experience peace by properly attending your feelings with skillful attention.

      https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN36_6.html

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm really questioning the superiority of western civilization
    >I will just convert to Muslim while still staying in western civilization
    Where are you planning to move?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You could not be happier than to wife this woman, and take up her religion, and become beloved by her family, and have beloved children, raised in the goodness of hadith and sunnah.

    You will create more happiness from these things than any invention or impulse of your own which you shall ever have.

    I beg of you to convert to Islam, in all sincerity, and marry and impregnate this woman. The path to joy and purpose is laid out before you. Will you be an idiot, or will you be a man?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's a big choice in joining any religion, Islam is different in the sense you have the religion and culture as one. Christianity is unique in that other countries maintain their culture but can still believe in Jesus, like Japanese Christians for example.

      Her family isn't forcing anything on me, I choose to attend their local mosque because I am getting to know her mother and father, I'm not going to ignore her family if I am dating her. My older brother was the same when he married his Colombian wife, years later he learned Spanish and had two biracial kids. You become a part of the culture whether. you want to or not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are wise already. You know what you should do.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know I want to be with my girlfriend, but unsure about the Islam part. Her father is nice and all, but whenever I bring up my Catholic upbringing, he responds with "we got the truth anyways."

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Huge red flag wtf, he looks down on you and your upbringing. Also how tf could Islam call to you if you were raised catholic? Is your family not religious or weak? Islam as a religion itself is a joke and has no purpose or goal

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol here is how
            Catholicism: False, based on the False idea of the Trinity
            Islam: True, based on the True idea of the One God

            very simple! any more questions?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No no my friend it’s actually
            Islam: false, based on rape murder and war and designed solely to stir up Arabs who otherwise are blockheads
            Catholicism: beautiful religion based on principles of peace, love, and humility from Jesus.
            For someone to read the Quran and the Bible and actually prefer the Quran, they must have filth in their heart. Or they want to rape kids
            One good thing about Muhammad was he at least taught Arabs basic self hygiene, although this barely did much

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I find it absolutely disgusting that you are defending catholicism and calling muslims 'blockheads' in the same breath. A blockhead is a dogmatist. Only catholics are so confused they feel the need to argue the "perpetual virginity" of Mariam by dogmatic papal infallibility. This is tremendous embarrassment. Christians have a great hangup about sex. Islam does not.

            Christians delight in dogmattic categories and canon law. Muslims do not have a comparable class of religious lawyers invested with timeless authority.

            Christianity is Anti Sex. Islam is Pro Humanity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Christians have a great hangup about sex. Islam does not.
            HahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally rock people for sleeping around
            Attack women for showing “hair”
            But has no issue with sex
            Kek

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I believe myself that a religion that puts forward male carnal desires first pretty much speaks for itself about it's 'holiness'

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Islam doesn't put carnal desires first, there's actually a very strong ascetic component to the religion. Spending on yourself beyond the necessities of yourself and your family is a sin if you do it too much and it's not good to eat your fill for example. You have Sufism and even outside of Sufism a lot of attention historically was put on zuhd (asceticism) and self-examination (testing your motives to see whether you're doing things for God or your own ego).

            Islam's approach to sex is to sanctify it, as Islam's approach to all of life is to sanctify it. Sex can be holy and in Islam it's supposed to be done for God and there are even prayers to say during it. The same is true of war and commerce. As a Catholic you might understand it better if we compare it to the Lutheran idea of vocation. Because the Lutherans didn't have monasticism (as Islam doesn't, even ascetics and Sufis are supposed to live in the community and there's no contradiction between asceticism and marriage in Islam), they developed the idea of vocation, where mundane jobs and roles could be a route to God if they were performed for the sake of God. In Islam everything is like that, calling it a religion is actually a bit misleading because of the connotations that word has taken on in modernity. It sanctifies not only the comparatively short space of your time that you're praying, fasting and going on pilgrimage but areas of humane existence you as a Catholic are used to thinking of as mundane like sex, business, war, grooming, hygiene, manners etc. The ideal is to live your entire life as a prayer to God. This is one reason Islam seems "legalistic" to many westerners at first, they're used to religion concerning itself solely with otherworldly things and leaving the rest to a secular sphere. In Islam there isn't the conceptual category of a secular sphere, your shahada should be like a root system that the entire trunk and branches of your life grow from and are oriented towards.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, but anyone who has to kill others and is rewarded 72 virgins speaks for itself

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >moron will do anything for pussy
            VERY SIMPLE!

            You are mistaken and hysterical, like a woman. I have killed nobody.

            [...]
            I told you: I am not here for Netflix and Amazon. I think this society is childish and obsessed with toys like bratty children. I am here because I was born here, and here is where my family resides.

            Only a westerner could he so jaded as to think all people reside in the cultural or social atmosphere which most pleases them. Very stupid perspective. No wonder migrants confuse you.

            >you are hysterical
            >I didn’t kill anyone
            You are so fricking stupid. It’s called a figure of speech. You literally told ME to stop BOMBING Middle East, but now that I told you to stop killing people (like Muslims do) I am being “hysterical”
            Man you are probably an inbred too

            https://i.imgur.com/22jgx1M.jpg

            Another day in """paradise"""

            https://i.imgur.com/22jgx1M.jpg

            Another day in """paradise"""

            >Oh noooo no one is living in poverty in Muslim nations
            Unless they are non Muslim slaves. Then, then they will live iike literal slaves.
            https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/19/nyregion/workers-at-nyus-abu-dhabi-site-face-harsh-conditions.html
            Funny thing, is that I don’t give a single frick about what Muslim world do to their own people, or their immigration policy.
            Tbh, I believe what Dubai is doing is the right immigrant worker policy, which is:
            Milk them until they are old and then toss them out of nation.
            But it’s hypocritical that you sitting in USA, talking about homelessness, and ignoring how non Arab non Muslims are treated in Middle East.

            Stop bombing/commercializing/infiltrating Muslim countries and they will stop emigrating to yours. But then you won't have oil... yikes. Maybe you should have thought this through??

            Also, when did Sweden EVER bombed Middle East? Now it has daily bombing occurrences thanks to letting parasites like you guys in

            I find it absolutely disgusting that you are defending catholicism and calling muslims 'blockheads' in the same breath. A blockhead is a dogmatist. Only catholics are so confused they feel the need to argue the "perpetual virginity" of Mariam by dogmatic papal infallibility. This is tremendous embarrassment. Christians have a great hangup about sex. Islam does not.

            Christians delight in dogmattic categories and canon law. Muslims do not have a comparable class of religious lawyers invested with timeless authority.

            Christianity is Anti Sex. Islam is Pro Humanity.

            So pro humanity bro.
            That’s why they tax non Muslim and humiliate them, right?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Calm down. Ignored for time being. Collect yourself and try again.

            I believe myself that a religion that puts forward male carnal desires first pretty much speaks for itself about it's 'holiness'

            Male desire for coitus symbolizes the divine desire for creation. Female desire for coitus symbolizes human desire for God. Sex between a husband and wife is the highest good- not a dirty secret. Perverse westerners are confused because Augustine said sex was no-no.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I ignore it cause I don’t have any answers
            Typical Muslim.
            Talk shit about everyone and everything but can’t defend his ideology.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So explain all the child rape then

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is an evil thing which westerners are fond of.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm tired of the
            >no you
            responses

            At least child marriage is not written about in our Holy books

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Some men march into war in lucky undies, and face no enemy munitions.

            Others go to almost certain death, armed with stones.

            And some men watch pornography, or traffic women, and live alone.

            While other men take wives and keep them unto death, and raise children in war-torn lands.

            Which of these is more courageous?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            None of them honestly

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is, in Exodus 21. So is concubinage, same chapter. So is offensive holy war, that's throughout the Tanakh/Old Testament. So is is slavery and that's New Testament too, Paul tells slaves to obey their masters in Romans. So is polygamy, 1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon PBUH had 1000 wives and concubines. Hagar was the concubine of Abraham PBUH according to the Bible, although the word is usually misleadingly translated as "bondservant" or something similar. So is veiling, 1 Corinthians 11 says that women who don't cover their heads should be sheared (rhetoric of course but it goes to show that this wasn't a minor issue for Paul).

            So all of these things are in your tradition too, they're just either not emphasized in the New Testament or they're contrary to liberal modernity and you're confusing liberal precepts for Christian ones. On the former point, it may be you can make a very good case that the New Testament says we're in an age of grace rather than law now but that doesn't make the Old Testament irrelevant here, unless you're a Marcionist or a Gnostic it's a big problem for you. If concubinage, jihad, slavery and polygamy are evil then God shouldn't have been able to command them even as a stepping stone to the age of grace. God can't command evil.

            And on the topic of child marriage. Age of marriage (i.e. betrothal) can be from any age in Islam and then age of consummation (and divorce if either of the parties, and it usually is two children being married to each other, is unhappy with the match) is the onset of puberty. Besides the arranged marriage part, this wouldn't have been seen as abnormal in the West just 100 years ago. It's more likely or not that your grandmother and/or great grandmother depending on your age was married in her early teens. And to this day, Christian women in poorer parts of the word do marry young, look up average marriage ages in Africa.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We don't follow that ideology anymore though. Most of us are modernised

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because he's actually

            https://i.imgur.com/22jgx1M.jpg

            Another day in """paradise"""

            Believe whatever helps you sleep. I am not responsible for you.

            >if you think Le West is so heckin bad then leave 😀

            Only westerners could be this stupid. A person is duty-bound to their family and place. We are not free to arbitrarily switch cultures as our whim dictates. A person who believes culture is arbitrary is already in a state of great confusion. That's you.

            And is a Muslim all this time. It's all a big larp

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Converts usually overdo the culture part, and become radical.
        Muslims have the easiest way of conversion, because you just have to say the shahada three times with conviction.
        If you believe in its contents you're a Muslim, you can be a bad one or good one but the core principle is that there's one God and Muhammad is his messenger (as well as the successor to the former prophets)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >his brother converted to Colombianism
        pretty radical, if you ask me, may God have mercy of his soul

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not going to ignore her family if I am dating her.
        Big mistake tbh. You're establishing their dominance every time you kneel to the cube.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope you are circumcised already

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon as a middle eastern immigrant don’t fricking marry her and don’t fall for Islam. It’s a shitskin religion designed to make a bunch of stupid Arabs go to war

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hadith
      Chinese whispers elevated to law. If one strives with all their heart and soul to do good and not do evil, do you think their experience of life after death will lack anything? I ask you directly.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sufism is pretty legit. The fakirs have miraculous powers. But its the persian influence that made any aspect of Islam redeemable.
    Islam in general is for "low karma" people. Its a religion for lawyers, obsessed with rules. Go to a muslim country and the speakers will blast out announcements telling you its time to get down and pray. It's an insult to free thinking men.
    You will gain a real sense of community, but its far from perfect. Your girlfriend should not be with you, she is going against her religion. Why do you think thats the case? have you asked her about this?
    It is likely what you really want is some patriarchal authority to give your reigns over to. You are a spiritual woman.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sufism is emphasizing the devotion to God.
      Hinduism knows (at least) four modes of yoga, the devotional one being bhakti yoga. Islam itself only contains one other mode which is karma yoga, the yoga of action i.e. doing sacrifice, donations, good deeds. Actually this stuff is very encouraged in Islam because they're always told that good deeds directly translate into rewards in the afterlife.
      Neglecting one's religious duties is considered dangerous however, as it's one of the bigger sins.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To tell you the truth? Islam is the broomstick of Judaism.
        Comparisons to Yoga is an insult to Eastern spirituality

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If your practice brings you closer to God/the Absolute it's in harmony with yoga. Sufis and Hindus have coexisted in India for a long time.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're rapists, murderers, and slavers; who have forever sworn themselves to rape, murder and enslave anyone who opposes their tyranny and injustice. The enemies of Freedom, religious Freedom, the rights of women, and men; and the enemies of constitutional government, and that the rights of sentient and sapient beings cannot be taken away by some floating eyeball of a tyrant.

    What the "red pill" is; I'm not sure, but it is always "legal" to kill them, in the sense of the afterlife, as they've already declared their allegience to whomever it is, whether the fallen angel gabriel, some cave spirit pretending to be a deity, or even only mohamed, the bandit murderer, and the principle of it being the duty and responsibility of mankind, to oppose and destroy those people, governments, systems and theologies which would impose utter despotism upon them. Thus; as every single mohamedian, man and woman alike, has declared their alligence to said system and theology; which forever supports slavery, murder, rape and oppression, it is, from the moment they declare their alliegence to said system/theology, the moment they become the embodiment and agents of utter despotism, the very beings which manifest and perpetuate said despotism, without which the existence of such a system would be impossible; therefore, in the defense of liberty and freedom, the duty and resposibilty falling upon those who forever oppose such utter despotism, is to forever end their ability to manifest and perpetuate such a system, every single mohamedian man and woman included. In regards to such a system, there is no such a thing as an "innocent" mohamedian, due to their maintaining and perpetuating such, as their belief, no more so than there could be an "innocent" confederate, insofar as they don't, personally' own slaves, but maintain their support for the institution of slavery, on principle, as every mohamedian, by definition of the existence of their religion, must as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >... and the false prophet, and those decieved by him, had their names taken from the book of life; and were cast into the waters of the fires of consumption, where the pages of their lives and their names, were consumed, and they were destroyed by the waters of the second death, sentenced to the gentle death, thanatos.

      tl:dr: with that said; it's never "murder" to kill a muslim, as it is, by definition, selfdefense, in the name of religious freedom, war against slavery, and in defense of the rights of women.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GTFO glowBlack person
        LMFAO @ the 9/11 era 'dey hate our freedumbs, dey hate mcdonalds and strip clubs, dey evil so we gotta kill all their women and children'

        Anon wants to convert to Islam and is the uncle of two biracial kids. Lmao. This site gets more hilarious each passing day.

        I bet if we knew everything about you there's a hell of a lot worse.

        of islam only sufis have any knowledge. most are just idiots. all abrahamic religions are dogshit its the most stupidest morons following such things/ all arabs are stupid

        Clearly the words of a smart person

        Watch this series, it'll give you an idea of how the Quran is engaging with the scriptures it quotes.
        https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_W2HLp2VYbhO7Fd8XOcX0hl6YZ_lk-Wt

        In the case of the Quranic version of the Garden of Eden we can say that it corrects the Christian, and especially Latin Christian, conception of sin and forgiveness and illustrates the Islamic "conception" (reality). As much as people who hate Islam like to claim it's a religion that sees God as an unloving tyrant that couldn't be further from the reality. In the soteriology of substitutional atonement it's literally impossible for God the Father to forgive even the smallest sin directly or to forgive a sinner while seeing him as a sinner instead of, via legal transference, as Jesus AS. And in all Augustinian theology of mankind was corrupted and is punished for a single sin of a single man who lived who knows how many millions of years ago.
        >Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Satan said: By Your might, O Lord, I will continue to mislead the children of Adam, as long as their souls are in their bodies. The Lord said: By My might and majesty, I will continue to forgive them, as long as they seek My forgiveness.”
        > Surah Al-Aanfal The Spoils 8:33 But Allah would never punish them while you ˹O Prophet˺ were in their midst. Nor would He ever punish them if they prayed for forgiveness.

        It also corrects the special blame the Genesis account places on women. Which is another ironic reversal, usually the line of polemic as regards women these days is that Islam is misogynistic but go back before first wave feminism (which you should regard as unchristian and as something that produced later feminism inevitably) and it was absolutely the opposite.

        JazakAllah khair for this excellent post brother.

        Based, fricking idiot westerners with their “noble savage” bullshit and boner for Islam. ask anyone who has fled a country with a Muslim government their thoughts see what they say. Islam is an incel religion tho which makes sense why so many in EerieWeb are drawn to it

        Ask anyone who has fled a muslim country what they think of Islam? I think if someone fled from a country, they had some serious problems there. Probably, they were LGBT or atheist or into witchcraft.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wa iyyak.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >proabably they were lgbt or atheist
          Oh I thought they are just devout Muslims who don’t like to sleep in the bed they made

          Muslims have been around a long while. Examine when Muslims began arriving in your degenerate western nation, by country of origin. Do you see that Muslims seek to enter your dogshit materialist nation when war and famine occur in their homelands? Do you realize the main reaso people emigrate into your demonic nation is quite literally to avoid death?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based, fricking idiot westerners with their “noble savage” bullshit and boner for Islam. ask anyone who has fled a country with a Muslim government their thoughts see what they say. Islam is an incel religion tho which makes sense why so many in EerieWeb are drawn to it

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is likely a demoralization post, but this video gives good information on Islam:

    The things Islam gets right is the focus on actionable, real-world efforts to enforce their beliefs, and the cohesion of its followers following these efforts. The vast majority of Muslims are rarely opposed to Jihadist terrorism of other nations/peoples, whereas mainstream, modern Christianity falls relatively flat anytime action is proposed (i.e. "we must be tolerant and love our neighbours who want to rape and bomb our children", although I think this opinion is changing quiet quickly, look at any comment section about middle-eastern immigration into Europe on youtube).

    The result is a steadfast culture, where warriors are celebrated for their attacks on any non-conformist targets, and Christianity is tripped up by its own lack of co-ordination. Islam, as a religion of war, both hot and cold, is currently quite effective, but its followers have rarely contributed any advancement to civilization, and its beliefs thrive among lower-IQ and more aggressive people (middle-easterners have average IQs of ~85, just above the minimum for USA military recruitment). So in times of turmoil and conflict, Islam is a reliable doctrine for the people fighting, but for any meaningful advancement of your people, more civilized beliefs are required.

    >"[...] is it good news that Islam invades Europe?
    >It is excellent news! Islam is the broom of Israel."
    > -Rabbi David Touitou
    TLDR: It's a browner Judaism, promotes similar beliefs, both good and bad for its people.

    Look at:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_Kingdom#Group_based_child_sexual_exploitation_2
    >every single one is middle-eastern
    https://www.newsbytesapp.com/news/world/pakistan-unidentified-men-dig-up-grave-rape-corpse/story
    >Muhammad was decieved by the Devil in early life, thereby admitting lower divinity than Jesus

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      An excerpt from "A world turned upside down":

      During the first collapse noted above, the Bronze age Collapse which is sometimes called the Greek Dark Ages, the very art of writing was lost - it only survived in Egypt due to hieroglyphics being used by the priestly caste for religious inscriptions [...]. During the second collapse mentioned, writing in the western world survived only due to the Christian monasteries preserving what books they could find from earlier times. Nowadays, we risk losing even more, and there are fewer powerful religious groups to preserve and keep safe the light of knowledge - muslims certainly won't be doing it with anything that isn't profitable, or which contradicts islam.

      Consider that the muslims burned what remained of the library of Alexandria - the learning they claim as their own, that of Avicenna, Al-Kindi, Averroes, and Al-Razi, who as far as I'm aware were all recent israeli and Christian converts to islam, was simply the distilled and adapted ancient knowledge of the Greeks, Hindus and Persian civilizations, which had gathered dust in muslim libraries after they destroyed the advanced civilizations which created that knowledge in the first place.

      Look at Damascus steel: in order to make the famous Damascus steel that so impressed the Crusaders, you need to heat iron hot enough that it melts so that the dirt floats to the top, becoming the slag, instead of remaining intimately mixed in the metal. When muslims conquered the advanced civilizations of the world, the art of making good steel, and good swords, and good armor, which of all the arts of mankind was the one that should have survived through a dark age, was lost for a thousand years. The blades that so impressed the Crusaders were ancient heirlooms, stolen by the muslim conquerors from their betters. What do you suppose they will steal from our own collapsing civilization, that future people will gawk in wonder at and give them credit for discovering?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Whoever has intercourse with an animal,
      Kill the animal and KILL THE PERSON"
      ~Prophet Muhammad pbuh

      And I would encourage someone to learn a religion from its followers.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know the quality of answers you're going to get on here man, this thread will be a mix of /misc/ idiots and people larping as wizards. If you want to approach Islam legitimately and make up your own mind about it then you need to read the Quran for yourself.

    I recommend a combination of two different translations. The Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation (the version which includes his commentary is called The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an and is published by Amana) and the Muhammad Asad translation (which is sold as The Message of the Quran). Asad's commentary is better when it's better, he's the only translator of the Quran into English besides Nasr (who glows and should be avoided) to incorporates extract from classical commentaries and does a very good job of drawing out some of the symbolic meaning of certain parts of the Quran. But on the other hand he definitely stepped outside of the bounds of orthodoxy at times, for example by teaching that the descriptions of Paradise are purely symbolic. Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary is more orthodox (although the original may have been a bit more freewheeling, the Amana edition was possibly fortunately or possibly unfortunately edited by a team of Saudi scholars) and also does a good job of connecting the narratives of the Quran to history and of drawing out some symbolism. Unfortunately a lot of the other translations and commentaries are either overly literalistic and cautious or they're by bad actors like Nasr. Another benefit of these two translations is that the English is very stately and old fashioned, if you're used to the KJV it'll feel familiar. Which I think is fitting for a book like the Quran. Nuh Ha Mim Keller's translation is also nice but unfortunately doesn't have commentary.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For a sira (life of the Prophet SAW) I recommend, very critically, Life of Muhammad (SAW) by Martin Lings for a first step for similar reasons that I recommend Asad. Lings was not an orthodox Muslim but unfortunately there's been a big deterioration in the intellectual quality of output from the Muslim world itself over the last couple centuries, for various reasons. That's not true across the board of course but Lings despite being a heretic does a good job of getting at some of the symbolic resonances of the life of the Prophet SAW, which you'll have trouble finding in a lot of English language sira books being translated from Arabic or Urdu. But read some of the critical articles about the book when you've finished it because he makes a couple very major mistakes. Sallabi's 3 volume sira might be a good orthodox one to check Lings against. I wouldn't recommend The Sealed Nectar, that book for some reason is the first sira most people hear about but 90% of the focus is military so it's not a good introduction.

      And lastly I would recommend the channel below very highly and the playlist below also highly but with some of the same reservations as Lings and Asad. Murad isn't necessarily someone to uncritically take as a benchmark of what orthodox Islam is but he has a lot of insights and is speaking on a symbolic and mystic level that unfortunately isn't that present in most of the Islamic material available to monolingual English speakers, since so much Muslim scholarship has devolved into a dry recitation of facts and transmission of previous scholarship.
      https://www.youtube.com/@BloggingTheology/videos

      And please don't worry yourself with sectarian, historical or political issues for now. Just read the Quran and engage with it as best you're able. I only mentioned all those details to explain why I recommended what I did specifically.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >That's not true across the board of course but Lings despite being a heretic does a good job of getting at some of the symbolic resonances of the life of the Prophet SAW, which you'll have trouble finding in a lot of English language sira books being translated from Arabic or Urdu
        Sorry if this part was unclear, what I meant to say is that because of the nature of English language Islamic publishing (lots of Saudi publishing houses), what tends to filter through to the English world is unfortunately generally pretty bare bones. Which doesn't give a totally accurate picture of what's being published in Arabic despite the overall intellectual decline. Should've separated that point from what I like about Lings. And none of this is to say that there aren't many very valuable books coming from those publishing houses, especially when they put out medieval ones, let alone that Salafis are non-Muslim or can't be extraordinary pious because they are and can. It's just that the West's exposure to Islam is what it is because of certain things and it helps to know that going in. But as I said, don't get too hung up on sectarian or historical issues at first.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean salafis are non-muslim?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon wants to convert to Islam and is the uncle of two biracial kids. Lmao. This site gets more hilarious each passing day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      downfall

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's funny about it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's larping

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting thread.
    While I would admit my knowledge on Islam tradition is lacking, I've talked to plenty of muslims who have direct experience and perception of the divine, unlike many christians. It's been integrated into their prayers, what their prophet did was incorporate spiritual rites as movement and unity into prayer. This ultimately makes establishing a connection with the divine much easier for the average muslim, than your average christian.
    The lifestyle and tradition is interwoven with spiritual practice.
    The spiritual practice itself is not unlike what a person would encounter, regardless of religion or tradition.
    If one's goals are mostly spiritual, rather than cultural, then it doesn't matter, the true teaching is divine, universal.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saturn worship is never good anon.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    say no more

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alternate timeline? (not sure of its accuracy) https://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html

    • 4 weeks ago
      Inversion

      Aisha is Aleph (Spirit or God) + isha (א ישה) , just a reminder but yeshua is simply: ישוה
      Aisha married at 6 : number of Man or Destroyer.
      Aisha consumed at 9 : number of Divine or Creator (consciousness).

      The story of Aisha is the metamorphosis / emergence of a normal man to Prophet baptized by the holy spirit ( ש ).

      Muhammed mean literraly : union between Mind and Body, like Yehovah.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    of islam only sufis have any knowledge. most are just idiots. all abrahamic religions are dogshit its the most stupidest morons following such things/ all arabs are stupid

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eating bacon bad but not raping children and animals?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's no one true islam, everyone has their interpretation based on their culture.

    I grow up in a muslim country, and currently am a deist, but let me give you some examples.

    it's a good thing to free slaves in islam, and even slaves are considered your brother and equal before god if they're muslim. From that you can deduce;
    1. Slavery exist and legal in quran therefore I can enslave people (via war or whatever)
    2. If freeing slaves is good, abolishing slavery should be even better way to serve Allah's will.
    Both are valid so there's no single objectively right interpretation.

    Another example is the rights of woman, before islam they didn't have much rights at all in arabia, they didn't inherit anything for instance, with islam they gained social rights but they were still lacking compared to man, they would receive half or a third share of inherited goods compared to man (not sure about the number). So from that you can deduce;
    1. Woman are obviously lesser than man because they have less rights by quran.
    2. Quran gave woman rights while they didn't have any, therefore I would make Allah happy if I gave them even more rights and make them equal to man (socially).
    Again both interpretations are valid.

    I can't tell you convert to islam or not but you should know that there's not one true islam, so don't take any word from a muslim as a rule, nobody knows shit, read quran and reach your own conclusions.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok first you. Have to like 9 year old girls and sticking your tong in little boys mouthes. And drinking camal piss and milk as a home remidy , delicious.Next you should check fore moles on your shoulders a sure sign your a propit I hardly believe it my self. Cheat lie steal mass murder its all good the infidels deserve what thay get and wemon as well as thay are half human , dogs. Best of all get your 40 virgins and and a full time erection fore all of eternity .

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I explored Islam. It is not a bad religion and there are a lot of benefits to converting.
    I’m thoroughly convinced it’s not true though, and going through the motions just so you can have your hijabi qt waifu is a bad plan.
    Explore it, learn what you can, pray with it - but trust me OP if you don’t *actually* believe in Islam by the end don’t convert. That shit will bite you in the ass.
    You can’t pretend forever.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tiktok has you kids by the balls.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's your redpill.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So are Arab Christians praying to Satan too? The Syriac Orthodox Church is centuries and centuries older than whatever goofy rock band church you go to, if you even bother to go to one.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    K.
    Let’s see how you survive the “superior”
    Muslim world.
    Oh and btw, how come Muslims move to the “inferior” western world?
    Converts usually start changing themselves to be Arabs.
    Did you change your name to something to Arabic? Did you start greeting every other Muslim using Arabic?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Oh and btw, how come Muslims move to the “inferior” western world?
      To save it. Why do Mormons keep going to Vietnam? Also because there's no water in the desert.
      >Arabic
      That's a language my friend not a religion.

      I hope you are circumcised already

      Easy enough fix.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that’s a language not religion
        Oh ye? Then how come all Muslim pray with just this one language?
        >to save it
        lol they can’t save their own shitholes

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Oh ye? Then how come all Muslim pray with just this one language?
          How come Catholics prayed in Latin until the 60s, does that mean you have to be Med to be Catholic? It's a "liturgical" language.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You literally have to perform prayers in Arabic. It's not a ceremonious thing, it's mandatory.

            Anon as a middle eastern immigrant don’t fricking marry her and don’t fall for Islam. It’s a shitskin religion designed to make a bunch of stupid Arabs go to war

            this

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You literally have to perform prayers in Arabic. It's not a ceremonious thing, it's mandatory.
            Only salat, not dua. And you literally had to say the mass in Latin before the 60s, that didn't use to be a choice.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >To save it.
        But Muslim areas in European cities always end up as crime-ridden, litter-strewn dystopias thoughbeit. Cf. Rochdale, Burngreave, Tower Hamlets, Molenbeek, Malmo, Marseille etc. etc. ad nauseum

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Narrated Thawban:
          >The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.
          https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4297

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >muh numerous
            lol we kicked you out of Spain
            We kicked you out of Greece
            Soon enough Iran gonna kick you guys out too
            lol your “allah” is making shit up to keep you guys hopeful
            We know your mehdi won’t come anyway
            Also, according to this, Muslim will be in ruin because of “others” action
            But it’s not. It’s literally their own actions. Europe welcomed them by mistake, and them, instead of being grateful, shitting in the watering hole.
            >christinity brought liberalism
            YES the liberalism that allow Muslim scum to live in peace without getting prosecuted by rival Sunni or shiah.
            It allows peope to TRULY choose (just like god wanted) instead of having the sword of mollahs and imams dangling over their heads.
            But what Muslims do? Shit on it.
            They shit in their nations, run away from it, proceed to shit in other nations too.
            No wonder Sweden turned to gangbanging bombing shithole
            It’s full of uppity muslims
            But you are right that liberalism is bad.
            They allow scum like you immunity cause of “muh victim religion”
            Trust me, once this shit over, Muslims will be treated the same way as Turks during Greece revolution

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While I'm quoting the Bible
            >Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not a single one of these gobbledyasiatic words is a real city.

          Christianity brought forth liberal modernity, isn't that corrupt fruit? The Christian West is the most secularized area of the world today and in history. Don't mean to turn it into a civilizational pissing match because the Islamic world has degenerated a lot too, as was prophesied would happen. But it does seem to me that none of us today have to much room to go around bragging about our fruits, I know I don't.

          [...]
          So which was he, a bumbling fool or a cynical political genius? Or do you think he was a bumbling fool who successfully navigated very complex tribal diplomacy and commanded armies against superior forces? A bumbling fool who united the largest peninsula in the world for the first time in recorded history?

          >The Christian West is the most secularized area of the world today
          This is a good thing, caveman, but also not true.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This is a good thing, caveman

            We don't follow that ideology anymore though. Most of us are modernised

            >We don't follow that ideology anymore though. Most of us are modernised
            And what justification for "modernization" and secularization do you find in the Bible or the Church Fathers or Church tradition? This liberalization is something external to Christianity, in fact it was forced on Christianity through revolutions and intellectual subversion and it beat Christianity into submission, tamed it and made it subordinate to liberal principles. And it tamed Christianity so thoroughly that Christians like you can't even see the difference between Christianity and liberalism, you think they're the same thing.

            It should make you wonder why 90% of the attacks so called conservative Christians make against Islam today are attacks from a liberal position. Islam is misogynistic (i.e. anti-feminist)! Islam is violent! Islam is brutal to homosexuals! Islam is anti-democratic! Islam is against religious pluralism and secularism! Islam isn't compatible with science! Islam is illiberal in other words. Rewind a few hundred years and Christian polemics against Islam were very very different and in some cases the complete opposite of what they are today, it used to be said that Islam gave women too many rights for example.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You'd be wrong to generalise us all as Liberal loving idiots. I'm very right wing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean philosophical liberalism. Locke, Mill, Rosseau. Government by the people (rather than God), freedom of religion, maximal individual liberty etc. Nationalism, capitalism and socialism all came out of this same brew btw. And all of it would've been totally foreign to a pious Christian from even early modernity, let alone at the height of medieval Christendom or at the time of the Early Church.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Islam is evil and hateful and founded by a warlord and pedo, and preaches lying and persecuting non Muslims. These are not contradictory to Christianity because of liberalism, they’re contradictory to the human spirit. And lol to you pretending you’re a real Muslim, you also practice watered down liberal Islam. The only true Muslims who actually follow the book are ISIS

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Define evil. What's your criterion for determining good from evil? You've already demonstrated that it's not your holy book since you're prepared to throw that out with a shrug and a gesture towards "modernization" the moment it becomes challenging for you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that anon

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Muhammad is a Grifter and the religion makes no sense. Muhammad received a revelation from "Gabriel" that eerily reminds me of Galatians 1:8. Muhammad believed he was a demon-possessed and tried to kill himself. Muhammad was also unable to differentiate a revelation between God and Satan when he said the Satanic verses. The Qu'ran is extremely inconsistent with the bible and the teachings of Jesus (DIvorce and remarry is forbidden/no more than one wife. Muhammad throws this out the window) Muhammad was a warlord who killed, murdered and raped because he was a serial coomer with many more wives then even he allowed. Islam is a false religion.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Funny you bring that up considering that Muhammad died from eating because he was too stupid to realize that his food was poisoned and too stupid to question why the israeli widow of the man he just killed would prepare a dish for him literally a day after. His stupidity got his friend Bisir killed.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Narrated Thawban:
    >The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.
    https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4297

    Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity brought forth liberal modernity, isn't that corrupt fruit? The Christian West is the most secularized area of the world today and in history. Don't mean to turn it into a civilizational pissing match because the Islamic world has degenerated a lot too, as was prophesied would happen. But it does seem to me that none of us today have to much room to go around bragging about our fruits, I know I don't.

      [...]
      Funny you bring that up considering that Muhammad died from eating because he was too stupid to realize that his food was poisoned and too stupid to question why the israeli widow of the man he just killed would prepare a dish for him literally a day after. His stupidity got his friend Bisir killed.

      So which was he, a bumbling fool or a cynical political genius? Or do you think he was a bumbling fool who successfully navigated very complex tribal diplomacy and commanded armies against superior forces? A bumbling fool who united the largest peninsula in the world for the first time in recorded history?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know where you got the "cynical political genius" from because I didn't say that. It's hard not to take political power when Allah says that you are always right. As for uniting the largest peninsula in the world for the first time in recorded history. It's easy to convince people to go fight and die since you will be rewarded for 72 virgins in heaven. Muhammads ultimatium to infidels was "CONVERT, GIVE ME MONEY OR DIE!"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's hard not to take political power when Allah says that you are always right
          Is it though? We know he faced a ton of opposition, the Quran records all kinds of different ways the pagans dismissed his message and he had to fight many wars and navigate many complex diplomatic situations to unify Arabia. He was in command, fought personally in about 14 of his battles and was directing diplomacy. If he was cynical then he was a genius, if he was a fool then he has to have been a genuine one. Can't have it both ways.
          >GIVE ME MONEY
          >Malik ibn Dinar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, never ate to his fill of bread or meat unless he was eating with people.
          >Source: al-Shamā’il al-Muḥammadīyah 71
          >Narrated `Urwa:
          >Aisha said to me, "O my nephew! We used to see the crescent, and then the crescent and then the crescent in this way we saw three crescents in two months and no fire (for cooking) used to be made in the houses of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). I said, "O my aunt! Then what use to sustain you?" `Aisha said, "The two black things: dates and water, our neighbors from Ansar had some Manarh and they used to present Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) some of their milk and he used to make us drink."
          Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 2567
          >Narrated Al-Mughira:
          >The Prophet (ﷺ) used to offer night prayers till his feet became swollen. Somebody said, to him," "Allah has forgiven you, your faults of the past and those to follow." On that, he said, "Shouldn't I be a thankful slave of Allah)?"
          Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 4836
          Could keep going for a long time, he was an ascetic and didn't spend money on much besides upkeep of his family, charity and jihad.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            WTF you talking about.
            One of the first thing Muslims did was to threaten Persians to basically pay them jizzya (which is not just “money” but full on humiliation) or be deystroyed
            They were never peaceful to other nations.
            They were never “neutral”
            Oh no wonder Spain and Greece
            Kicked them out hard after their respective reconquesta.
            You can’t negotiate with them.
            When they have power they want to enslave you, when they don’t, they SCHEME to enslave you.
            Recent case of Spanish imam requesting money as payment for reconquesta
            It’s just easier to get rid of them.
            If sassandis and Byzantians knew what a menace they are, they would have United against them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Ishtar

            You keep on lying about Muslims constantly. You personally are a pig who has done nothing for anyone. You are a leech in every respect and a liar. Your obsession with Muslims is weird and you will never ever be considered white, Pervez.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hurr durr Amazon means no freedom
            moron. I am free to drink without getting public lashes.
            I am free to publish books without the fear of an entire state sending hitmen after me
            I am free to make fun of everyone and everting and I don’t fear getting bombed

            >hurr durr you are lying
            >jizya was just a simple tax
            Open your eyes homie.
            Islam was horrible.
            > Al-Zamakhshari, a Mu'tazili author of one of the standard commentaries on the Qur'an, said that "the Jizyah shall be taken from them with belittlement and humiliation. The dhimmi shall come in person, walking not riding. When he pays, he shall stand, while the tax collector sits. The collector shall seize him by the scruff of the neck, shake him, and say "Pay the Jizyah!" and when he pays it he shall be slapped on the nape of the neck."
            Funny thing is that jizzya was abolished all over the Muslim world around the same time , mid 19 century.
            Funny isn’t it? The moment western liberal ideology and their influence got to Middle East, they gave up their horrible practices of humiliating non Muslims.
            Funny isn’t it?
            >you are a leech
            lol leech are the fricking rapefugees who came in begging euros to house them and save them, only to spit in the faces of the very people that saved them before.
            Frick you parasit
            >your obsession is weird
            I wonuldnt give a single flying frick if Muslims stays where they where
            I even wouldn’t care if Muslims gave up their bullshit when they migrate to west
            But NO!
            We got morons who come to west to make SHARIAH for us, and then parasite like you claim that they are here to “save us”???
            Frick you and frick your parasitic religion

            https://i.imgur.com/TcDb8NK.jpg

            The Muslim world was dealt many blows by the demonic, resource-hungry West. What you witness is a culture under siege, late in the battle, when hope is in retreat.

            Look at Mecca. Look at what has become of a holy place. They burried it under the worldly, the arrogant, the boastful. Now ir is like a Western City- Grand, polluted, temporary, divided between squalor and outrageous luxury.

            Not even Mecca can testify to Islam. These are dark times when men worship their oppressers.

            The “blow” was monoglian sword cutting Muslim dicks and Mongolian dick fricking Muslim pussy.
            West didn’t do shit.
            Until ottomon started expanding into Europe, was humilied twice in vienna and finally got destroyed in ww1.
            >muslims decide what to do with their own holy place, countries, cities
            >it’s west falls
            Is it you bin Laden?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bin Laden did nothing wrong.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the greatest level of prosperity and affluence in the history of humanity is a corrupt fruit
        You can make arguments about excesses like the homosexual brigade, trannies, and the like, but face it, most non-Western countries wish that they had the success of liberal, modern, Western states. It needn't be a one-or-the-other choice.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >most non-Western countries wish that they had the success of liberal, modern, Western states
          Yes and they shouldn't. And neither should you, especially if you're the anon who was just quoting the Gospels.
          >For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
          True success is in drawing closer to God and there's almost an inverse relationship between that and wealth. Not that wealth is absolutely evil or that it's literally impossible for that rich man to pass through that camel's eye. But the more we have in this world the more we love it and we need to think nothing of life to draw close to God. The Desert Fathers this time.
          >[Anthony the Great] also said, “Always have the fear of God before your eyes. Remember him who gives death and life. Hate the world and all that is in it. Hate all peace that comes from the flesh. Renounce this life, so that you may be alive to God.Remember what you have promised God, for it will be required of you on the day of judgment. Suffer hunger, thirst, nakedness, be watchful and sorrowful; weep,and groan in your heart; test yourselves, to see if you are worthy of God; despise the flesh, so that you may preserve your souls.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The issue I have with islam, is that it's a fanfiction of a religion they didn't really understand.

    Christianity
    >after Adam and Eve disobeyed, they admitted they did it but blamed other things
    >God realised that they knew good and evil and chose to act innocent, as if the disobedience wasn't a conscious choice, but by shifting the blame to another made it clear that it was a conscious choice, so God removes them from Eden and bestows responsibilities on them because you can not exist with free will and self awareness without responsibilities

    Islam
    >Adam and Even disobey and IMMEDIATELY REPENT AND GOD FORGIVES THEM BUT STILL REMOVES THEM FROM EDEN

    See what I'm getting at?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Watch this series, it'll give you an idea of how the Quran is engaging with the scriptures it quotes.
      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_W2HLp2VYbhO7Fd8XOcX0hl6YZ_lk-Wt

      In the case of the Quranic version of the Garden of Eden we can say that it corrects the Christian, and especially Latin Christian, conception of sin and forgiveness and illustrates the Islamic "conception" (reality). As much as people who hate Islam like to claim it's a religion that sees God as an unloving tyrant that couldn't be further from the reality. In the soteriology of substitutional atonement it's literally impossible for God the Father to forgive even the smallest sin directly or to forgive a sinner while seeing him as a sinner instead of, via legal transference, as Jesus AS. And in all Augustinian theology of mankind was corrupted and is punished for a single sin of a single man who lived who knows how many millions of years ago.
      >Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Satan said: By Your might, O Lord, I will continue to mislead the children of Adam, as long as their souls are in their bodies. The Lord said: By My might and majesty, I will continue to forgive them, as long as they seek My forgiveness.”
      > Surah Al-Aanfal The Spoils 8:33 But Allah would never punish them while you ˹O Prophet˺ were in their midst. Nor would He ever punish them if they prayed for forgiveness.

      It also corrects the special blame the Genesis account places on women. Which is another ironic reversal, usually the line of polemic as regards women these days is that Islam is misogynistic but go back before first wave feminism (which you should regard as unchristian and as something that produced later feminism inevitably) and it was absolutely the opposite.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And in all Augustinian theology of mankind was corrupted and is punished for a single sin of a single man who lived who knows how many millions of years ago.
        All of mankind

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That link you gave is a playlist of 13+ hours.
        You'll have to forgive me if I'm going to respond before watching it.

        > it corrects the Christian, and especially Latin Christian, conception of sin and forgiveness and illustrates the Islamic "conception" (reality).

        >surah taha verse 120
        >Then Satan whispered to him; he said, "O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?".And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him].

        There is a major difference between the Tree of Eternity in Paradise (Jahnah), and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Eden (Earth).
        In the story of the Garden of Eden, Adam never asks for forgiveness, and I'll get back to that in a minute.

        >people who hate Islam
        I don't hate Islam, or any religion for that matter. While I may have disagreements, you still give purpose and help people have faith in The Creator, which all religions should do. Do people do absolutely heinous stuff in the name of their religions? Yes, and always will.
        "Your hearts are in the right place, your brains have gotta wake up."

        >It also corrects the special blame the Genesis account places on women.
        And that wasn't until much later, especially because, for it's original time, Christianity was rather pro-women.
        The reason why the Apostles taught against divorce at that time, was because in Greece and Rome, it was common for a man to divorce his wife and sell her to a brothel. I actually quite agree with the Islamic teaching on divorce, as it remains human but also puts emphasis on family values as well.

        <cont>

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That link you gave is a playlist of 13+ hours.
        You'll have to forgive me if I'm going to respond before watching it.

        > it corrects the Christian, and especially Latin Christian, conception of sin and forgiveness and illustrates the Islamic "conception" (reality).

        >surah taha verse 120
        >Then Satan whispered to him; he said, "O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?".And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred. Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him].

        There is a major difference between the Tree of Eternity in Paradise (Jahnah), and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Eden (Earth).
        In the story of the Garden of Eden, Adam never asks for forgiveness, and I'll get back to that in a minute.

        >people who hate Islam
        I don't hate Islam, or any religion for that matter. While I may have disagreements, you still give purpose and help people have faith in The Creator, which all religions should do. Do people do absolutely heinous stuff in the name of their religions? Yes, and always will.
        "Your hearts are in the right place, your brains have gotta wake up."

        >It also corrects the special blame the Genesis account places on women.
        And that wasn't until much later, especially because, for it's original time, Christianity was rather pro-women.
        The reason why the Apostles taught against divorce at that time, was because in Greece and Rome, it was common for a man to divorce his wife and sell her to a brothel. I actually quite agree with the Islamic teaching on divorce, as it remains human but also puts emphasis on family values as well.

        <cont>

        <cont>

        >Augustinian theology all of mankind was corrupted and is punished for a single sin of a single man who lived who knows how many millions of years ago.

        Because it also tells the story of our evolution as humans, and makes sense from a psychological view as well.

        The original sin wasn't that they disobeyed. It was inevitable that they would disobey, they were granted freewill, and it's naive to think God didn't know the snake/satan was in the garden.
        They realised they were naked, they realised they were vulnerable, they realised there was consequence. This is why, when asked by God if they had eaten the fruit, they didn't lie, they knew lying was a sin, but they did try to shift the blame. The did not want to face the consequences of their actions, and their actions ultimately made humanity self-aware.

        We were no longer like the animals that see a predator and run, and when we see no predator we go about our merry way. We were now the ones that look at the tall grass field in front of us and decide make a plan of how to walk through it as there COULD be a predator there.
        Women were only required to be subservient because they carried on life, a man was required to sacrifice his life for the greater good. Not merely through dying, but by working his ass off for everyone else.
        Beyond that, Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the snake, neither apologised or asked for forgiveness. Because ultimately, it was pointless. We were past the point of no return.
        This is clear even in the story of Kane and Abel. It's an allegory for the agricultural revolution.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is a wise path, the last religion.

    They say the Muslims are backward and violent. And they give Israel high tech drones to drop bombs on impoverished children while air dropping them food. "They" are full of shit, and it's about time you knew.

    Bin Laden did nothing wrong.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    moronic religion of the 3rd world brown "people"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If only you knew.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would rather homosexuals and Black folk in my country instead of muslims. They are bigger threat to civilization especially to the Western one.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Spoken like a true westerner aka gay loving godless racist financial employee.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wish i was a Westerner but unfortunately i born in a 3rd world corrupt Islamic shithole.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            self hating nonwesterner
            the west is babylon
            bewildered
            empty
            whorish
            dying

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The dying West still mogs the Middle East.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah if your dumb ass is still conceiving of the comparison as one between technology/commercial output. Which us what they want you to think. That hot water, air conditioning, beef and gadets make a life worth living. Heh.

            The west is a spoiled butthole rich kid with trinkets and gadgets and games. All the kids want to come over to his house, but not to see him.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You'd better stone and behead him quick!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If stonings and beheadings are the concern why did the US invade afghanistan and not saudi arabia, particulalry given the nationalities of the 9/11 hijackers?

            answer: Afghanistan doesn't have a lake of oil under it.

            general point: everything you think you know about the middle east was put their by men with a very particular agenda

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >answer: Afghanistan doesn't have a lake of oil under it.
            They are super rich when it comes to mineral resources. China is probably already there planning massive resource extraction.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do not ignore the point. The United States funds and trains the Saudi military, yet claims to be oppossed to fundamentalist Islam. The hypocrisy is obvious and shameless. As is the hypocrisy of traditionalist westerners who attack Islam.

            Notice something: the far right hates Islam. the far left hates Islam. the full spectrum of western politic beliefs are unanimous on one thing only: Islam is backwards, stupid, dangerous, anti-western. Name one other uniform opinion in the west. There is none. Therefore the most characteristic belief among westerners is anti-Islamism.

            Islam has not been a threat to europe since the 8th century. Curious. The lady doth protest too much.

            Is Islam the anti-west? Time will tell. I sure hope so.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >general point: everything you think you know about the middle east was put their by men with a very particular agenda

            Sounds like all of Islam to be honest

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What else matters if not technological and commercial output of a civilization is not important?
            >muh traditions muh culture muh religion
            Bunch of moron coping. Everbody wants to live a comfortable life.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wisdom, culture, the perfection of the soul, moral goodness, social uprightness, mother's loving, father's loving, courage of the soul, steadfastness in the face of hardship, willingness to sacrifice for others, strength of leadership etc.

            The west is completely bewildered and lost.

            I've saw you post before, when you have no arguments you just do a 180 and say "I'm not arguing with children anymore goodbye"

            Say something smart and I will entertain it. I don't waste time talking to people who cannot be self critical, it is pointless. As soon as I detect a cheap, insencere argument which I believe the person does not themselves find convincing I stop engaging, as should all.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where are you from?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            America, no connection to Islam by birth. I was 12 when 9/11 happend. I knew there was something wrong with the narrative, because I knew bin Laden turned down a commercial empire to go live in a cave and get hunted by the CIA-- that Americans never did anything so stark. To this day it is forbidden to mention these observations.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, as this anon said

            None of these things exist in the pisslamic shithole i live. It is all corruption just like your "bewildered and lost" West except it does not have a good economy and a high standart way of life. None of the things that you listed exist exclusively in any place on the face of the Earth. If you crave them too much just find like minded people like yourself and interact with them exclusively and stop pretending like the Eastern civilizations are more moral or better than the West.

            Just go live there yourself and find out

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Muslim world was dealt many blows by the demonic, resource-hungry West. What you witness is a culture under siege, late in the battle, when hope is in retreat.

            Look at Mecca. Look at what has become of a holy place. They burried it under the worldly, the arrogant, the boastful. Now ir is like a Western City- Grand, polluted, temporary, divided between squalor and outrageous luxury.

            Not even Mecca can testify to Islam. These are dark times when men worship their oppressers.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I reckon you are just larping that you weren't born a Muslim. Boring.

            And like I said if you think Le West is so heckin bad then leave 😀

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Believe whatever helps you sleep. I am not responsible for you.

            >if you think Le West is so heckin bad then leave 😀

            Only westerners could be this stupid. A person is duty-bound to their family and place. We are not free to arbitrarily switch cultures as our whim dictates. A person who believes culture is arbitrary is already in a state of great confusion. That's you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sound quite entitled don't you?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What is it that you think I am imagining I am entitled to? I think you are calling me entitled merely because I called you confused.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That you are referring to the place you currently reside in (only due to family) a shithole basically

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Another day in """paradise"""

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Weird cause you don't see shit like that in the Middle East that you're so obviously (not) desperate to go to. It's pretty much like a luxury in comparison

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we can’t just simply switch places
            lol you parasites are quick to walk around all over Europe to get to the kuffarland of “Alman” because parasites like you are protected Becuase of “muh brown victim color”
            So no, it’s easy for you to switch places, Quran even say so. Problem is that you parasites want to ONLY stay in west, not in your own shitholes, that YOU yourself have created.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            None of these things exist in the pisslamic shithole i live. It is all corruption just like your "bewildered and lost" West except it does not have a good economy and a high standart way of life. None of the things that you listed exist exclusively in any place on the face of the Earth. If you crave them too much just find like minded people like yourself and interact with them exclusively and stop pretending like the Eastern civilizations are more moral or better than the West.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And all Muslim parasite like west for those trinkets, benefits and health plan and generous governmental support.
            Frick off back to your spiritual “Muslim land”

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Stop bombing/commercializing/infiltrating Muslim countries and they will stop emigrating to yours. But then you won't have oil... yikes. Maybe you should have thought this through??

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How come Syrians NEXT door to Israel never “immigrated” there?
            How come bin Laden never bombed Israel? But bombed twin towers?
            How about you stop killing people for drawing a fricking cartoon or writing a book, and then we start talking?
            Funny is that you parasites actually agree that you are parasites.
            Commercial enterprises doesn’t warrant trying to parasite off the west.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are mistaken and hysterical, like a woman. I have killed nobody.

            Weird cause you don't see shit like that in the Middle East that you're so obviously (not) desperate to go to. It's pretty much like a luxury in comparison

            I told you: I am not here for Netflix and Amazon. I think this society is childish and obsessed with toys like bratty children. I am here because I was born here, and here is where my family resides.

            Only a westerner could he so jaded as to think all people reside in the cultural or social atmosphere which most pleases them. Very stupid perspective. No wonder migrants confuse you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Until we see you making an effort to leave, then my mind will change. For now all I see is you whining and doing nothing about it, when you get pretty much everything handed to you on a silver platter (and it's still not good enough)
            So go back then and make the effort

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Presume and assume less. You have no idea what my life is.

            > Christians have a great hangup about sex. Islam does not.
            HahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

            A culture that worships virginity is on a collision course with extinction. Look around you. See it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >collision course with extinction
            Lel I seen so many Muslims who drink and sleep around. Pisslam strength is in a government that enforces it by threats of punishments
            In west all the “Islamic values” fall apart.
            Your religion is piss weak

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If migrants are not HAPPY with the way things are in west, why are they killing themselves to come here?
            The simple trinkets such as safety nets, and governmental helps?
            Nah, you parasites are just too entitled because western people stop slapping you around and you became uppity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Muslims have been around a long while. Examine when Muslims began arriving in your degenerate western nation, by country of origin. Do you see that Muslims seek to enter your dogshit materialist nation when war and famine occur in their homelands? Do you realize the main reaso people emigrate into your demonic nation is quite literally to avoid death?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they avoid death bro
            >they are desperate bro
            >they are forced bro
            Oh really? Then they should be fricking grateful that these “demons” allow them to stay in with fricking OPEN ARMS.
            Israel literally accepted ZERO refugees. FRICKING ZERO. But you sitting here, fricking calling the people who let you stay in, gave you housing, opportunities, food, governmental help, etc demons and their land “demonic”
            Frick you parasite
            I hope for everyone of you who find his way into west, 10 of you die back home in horrible conditions.
            Only a peace of shit Muslim can be THIS ungrateful
            If you hate “le demon land” so much, stay home and fix your shitty parasite, instead of coming to Sweden and immediately turning it into a shithole with daily bombings

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Calm down, woman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol stop it mussie.
            Even a gold digger woman is more grateful than your kin.
            Thing is, anyone reading your little piece about “demonic land” has a better idea about Muslim case of ungratefullness now.
            Thanks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have completely lost your composure as a man. Please collect yourseld brother. A glass of water and having sex with your wife will help.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah.
            I have an anger toward parasites who use resources and call resource provider “demons”
            It’s a righteous anger.
            You don’t understand it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I know what righteous indignation is. Save your lectures for students. In your own land.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who blow up Syria?
            It was conflict between Sunni majority citizens and a Shia minority leaders.
            How the FRICK west is in the fault here??

            https://i.imgur.com/7f4RZY4.png

            It is an evil thing which westerners are fond of.

            >western elites have to hide behind billion $$$ companies and proxy just to sidle kids because they fear people
            >muslims do it in the open with no fear of public
            following their prophets
            That’s a self own of how frickedup Muslim world is

            Alternate timeline? (not sure of its accuracy) https://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html

            Only in Muslims who are ashamed of their pedo prophet after interacting with west trying to bullshit their way out of this.
            Pretty much MOST sources says Aisha was 9.
            Stop with their revisionist shit

            https://i.imgur.com/IMapLlT.jpg

            Some men march into war in lucky undies, and face no enemy munitions.

            Others go to almost certain death, armed with stones.

            And some men watch pornography, or traffic women, and live alone.

            While other men take wives and keep them unto death, and raise children in war-torn lands.

            Which of these is more courageous?

            >raise children in war torn land
            Oh I thought Muslims HAVE TO immigrate to west just to not die.
            So you are courages when you Get your visa accepted to enter “zdemonic land” and you are still courages when it’s rejected and you end up staying in your shithole
            Got it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hysterical child: ignored. Return when you have sufficient fortitude to discourse.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol I love how anything you don’t have any answer to, is “hysterical”
            Lmao, at least it’s better than trying to blow me up or beahead me in public

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Universal literacy was a mistake.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            giving you people internet was a mistake

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Agreed.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Weird considering that Muslims make up a lot of prisoners where I'm from
            And they do drugs too

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you telling me people who escaped conflict/famine zones and arrived in another culture in a state of distress and poverty tend to have little ones who struggle adapting and succeeding and are more likely to end up in jail or with substance abuse problems? That is wild bro, it must be Islam which is causing the drug use .

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            State of poverty? Distress?
            Don't make me laugh, they have it quite comfy here.
            They're succumbed to the ghettos like everywhere else

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't argue with children or the mentally moronic. You will have to say something intelligent to trick me into replying otherwise I am ignoring you bye bye.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've saw you post before, when you have no arguments you just do a 180 and say "I'm not arguing with children anymore goodbye"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black person, despite all this homosexualry and corruption, we have freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to decide to have this life or the other.
        Meanwhile pisslam forced people to be Arabs so they can go to “heaven”
        Taliban for example, forced its people who were AFGHANS (Persian speakers) to stop speaking this language.
        Life WTF is wrong with these people
        We have freedom to be homosexuals, heaven shouldn’t be forced on people

        I would rather homosexuals and Black folk in my country instead of muslims. They are bigger threat to civilization especially to the Western one.

        Speaking of Black folk.
        Mohammad was a good Black person lover. Bilal stepped on his shoulder to call for the first prayer.
        Arabs weren’t swarthy like today. They became like this for having jungle fever

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh freedom
          Pathetic. You are brainwashed.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Quran has a bunch of interesting stuff, I was just remarking on the Revelation I had of desolation through al surah Al djinn as well as about spirits in general. After I read that I began working with God, Christian, Muslim, and israeli spirits. The Quran says many times it is there as a new scripture to confirm and bring Revelation upon the previous scripture, and even mentions the importance of the apostles and dedicates several verses to the immaculate birth of Christ. Lots of great stuff differentiating the notion of magic and God granting gifts to His faithful, like how Solomon could talk to birds and how children were occultated in a cave.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well the prophet was a white man with red hair so I guess that you contribute to western superiority...

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Context is always helpful and never regrettable. In ancient times only those who were deemed worthy of learning were taught to read and write. This prevented idiots and fools from marauding through books beyond their comprehension in search of convenient spoils. In the past life was less awful, for this and other reasons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is something that happens today, according to the news and reported tests conducted after a baby of an off color is born. I'm not being ironic or making a joke.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We shall be sure to admit those who believe and do good deeds to the ranks of the righteous. - Surah Al Ankabut, 29:9

    The [Muslim] believers, the israelites, the Christians, and the Sabians- all those who believe in God and the Last Day and do good- will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve. - Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:62

    For those who believe and are conscious of God, for them there is good news in this life and in the Hereafter- there is no changing the promises of God- that is truly the supreme triumph. - Surah Yunus, 10:63-64

    On the Day of Resurrection, you [Prophet] will see those who told lies against God, their faces darkened. Is there not ample punishment for the arrogant in Hell? But God will deliver those who took heed of Him to their place of safety: no harm will touch them, nor will they grieve. - Surah Az-Zumar 39:60-61

    For those who say, ‘Our lord is God,’ and then follow the straight path there is no fear, nor shall they grieve: they are the people of Paradise, there to remain as a reward for what they were doing. - Surah Al-Ahqaf 46:13-14

    "it is He who has sent this Scripture down to you [Prophet]. Some of its verses are definite in meaning- these are the cornerstone of the Scripture- and others are ambiguous. The perverse at heart eagerly pursue the ambiguities in their attempt to make trouble and to pin down a specific meaning of their own: only God knows the true meaning. Those firmly grounded in knowledge say, ‘We believe in it: it is all from our Lord’- only those with real perception will take heed-" Surah Ali 'Imran 3:7

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >redpill me on Islam
    there you go

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Read Qur'an.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Islam aint so bad. Shame about all the muslims though

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They see Jesus as a prophet which is why they are incorrect

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jews made it

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also they have the distinctively israeli feature called hadiths, which is arab for "i made it up", i think. really prominent feature in schizophrenic centered religions like the religions of abraham

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so why dose wiggers worshipping a cube?

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Research the 72 djinn, they are the spring of that.... Cult.. And mimic the 72 virgins.
    These are demons.
    Everything build around the prophetS (yeah...they do like there would be only one), every anti-human-trick is of one of the 72 djinns.
    And they don't even deny the 72 djinns. At least if they are educated enough to know about.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been a muslim in the past as I'm from a muslim household. I've spent quite a lot of time researching the islamic sources (quran, corresponding tafasir, ahadith, ibn Ishaq's sirat rasul allah and the historic sources of Al Tabari) and after lots of research I've changed faith (became an orthodox Christian). I can go in depth for you on Discord (username: cocomoibramlaco) why I decided to do so.

    Regardless, I don't think it's good to be more positively biased based on dating a woman. This muslim woman you're dating isn't even strict in her faith, else she wouldn't be allowed to date (let alone a non-muslim). This is about God and the afterlife, not about some woman so don't let this be a factor of your decision (I would've said the same thing if she were a Christian).

  40. 4 weeks ago
    QANON

    ALIEN DISCLOSURE IMMINENT UFO ARRIVAL VERY SOON 2024 QAnon
    Q
    Dear Sirs, a very important classified video will be leaked before Full Alien Disclosure Occurs in the Months March 2024 Official Global Arrival Date please review attached Transcripts
    I'm Formerly employee in DEEPSTATE Government Best Regards Goodluck.

    Aliens UFO DID 911 TRUTH
    When 9/11 happened, news in Australia initially reported that the US was attacked by aliens. There used to be videos of metal orbs flying right through the buildings coming from above instead of directly towards., RESEARCH THE FLAT EARTH.

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *