QiGong Mastery

Can we discuss how to become QiGong masters without the usual gatekeepers coming in and saying "noooo you can't do that, you have to join a dojo!!!"

What can I do to instantly improve my life and wellbeing?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My little sister just started getting her qi gong. Might get her some panty liners.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are you trying to accomplish?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have seen this is a key question when delving into internal arts.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP
      But longevity, physical and mental acuity into old age, negation of tiredness, less need for food and sleep. Bone and tendon strength, muscular and skin elasticity, hair density, excellent eyesight, hearing, taste, smell and touch. Sixth sense, great intuition.
      With these things, I believe there are spiritual things that can be accomplished. Physical and mental health is a terrible gatekeeper that keeps many people out. Not that it can't be used for spiritual growth, but it also hinders many.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trying to throw hadouken fire balls so I can fight this dude outside a fish market.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    noooo you can't do that, becuase it’s fricking not real.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >becuase
      that's you, the guy that writes becuase

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Empty words, you missed tho who, what, when, where, why, and how therefore your words lack substantial reasoning,

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I MUST LEARN THE SACRED FINGERBANGING TECHNIQUES OF THE JUNZI

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How's Wang? Is he a dick?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i was liping wang for a while in college, just trying to figure out myself before i settled down

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wang liping is very high level
      but as much as you dont want to hear it,
      books such as you referenced are a compliment to inner door teachings and will only really make their requisite sense to someone who has reached the school's inner door level of teachings.
      its the same with damo's material
      you're not going to decipher the secrets without going and training with them
      inner door folks swear not to tell and they are pretty much all honorable in this regard
      but again, what does one want to accomplish

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe it could be reverse engineered if you already reached Tao by other tradition.
        The most issue is name are probably in ancient Chinese/mandarin so to find the true meaning behind you need to understand philosophy and arts like poetry from that time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          when you know someone on the inside and they dont tell, but give tiny glimpses of see why you're not figuring this out on your own

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you go to DaoBums forum, a lot of long time regulars are some of his students or students of his students. They don't usually say it openly, but that site is all about Wang Liping branch. I don't know about Wang being a dick, but some of those DB fellows are dicks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a lot of
        lol perhaps a couple but not a lot by any means
        >They don't usually say it openly, but that site is all about Wang Liping branch
        its not uncommon to have a high degree of respect for master wang, but when the site is run by literal commies, it just leaves way too much to be desired
        >but some of those DB fellows are dicks
        you got that right, but as its typical of commies and follower-sheep...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They added a LGBT troon section on dao bums

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hilarious, did the owner troon out yet

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think they're communists. They had a Chinese speaking section that has near zero activity by now. It's mostly some FVEY citizens and some Europeans, and expats of these in Asian countries. So yeah, do the math.

          hilarious, did the owner troon out yet

          That dude has been basically absent or neglectful of that site for the better part of the last decade or more, and that site is like 20 years old. So something happened, and I was around there when they were basically run by a gang of mods led by yoga guy where they formed a side group nicknamed the Busty Blonde Pai because that yoga guy who engage in one on one meditations with women where he asked them to visualize them switching genders and for them to see him as a busty blond woman. He was driven off because someone recognized him from another yoga forum and that they would tell his wife and he was like, ohhh I better not let that happen and they went and formed their own splinter site. Fricking nuts.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    read their books regarding gigong
    go to "their" temples & you will learn with time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shaolin

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Take a class watch youtube videos. I dabbled for a bit then moved on. Look into primordial alchemy.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't do anything you might regret.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Alternatively, just do anything and stop regretting altogether. A blank slate is lame and wishing for it is lame. A dirty slate kicks ass and making "mistakes" refines your sould. When every failure is a success you start pwning.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sould>
        I meant soul

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I totally meant to frick up that greentext btw

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Transmute, cast away the salts, refine, shatter, transmute, and still refine. You'll be better in the end in the hands of a skilled alchemist. Not for shills. I prefer another path myself. It was a great bit of dabbling.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need to practice Black person Qi Gong it's one of the most sacred ancient practices that will instantly improve your life

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I took magic mushrooms yesterday and after it was fading away I came to this bread and this post and image made me laugh hysterically for ages. I was fricking crying with laughter. It’s was bliss.
      Thanks for that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking kek I posted that shit.
        Cosmic shit and stuff bro, I'm happy you had a nice trip 🙂

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks anon. Have a great Sunday

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cheers bro great sunday you too!

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can I do to instantly improve my life and wellbeing?
    you eventually realize whatever you cultivate you also cultivate it's opposite
    this may take you months, it may take you decades
    at this point you'll start working outside the system and real neidan begins.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you eventually realize whatever you cultivate you also cultivate it's opposite

      Why do you say this? It sounds like BS purely since I’ve never heard anyone say this before. What even constitutes “opposite”? If you cultivate qi you cultivate anti-qi? I don’t think so.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        try reading an actual chinese source text on qi. go read the yellow emperors classic
        >DUH I GET ALL MY INFO FROM WHITE GIRLS ON TIKTOK AND THEY SAID CHIGUNG WILL MAKE ME SHIT ROSES
        ok
        like I said, it could take a month, it could take you ten years. hell it might even take longer. dao is dao.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It sounds like BS purely since I’ve never heard anyone say this before.
        its more of a thing with ling based traditions, but then you'll need all of this terminology explained to you also

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When searching for what you want, you will also develop a sense of what it is not. "No, I don't want this. Not that. Neither these." That concept gets cultivated, too, and it can have a larger effect on you simply because you may not realize you need to manage it. As a simple example, a guy trying not to be creepy might model himself as the opposite of someone he finds creepy, so instead of doing not creepy things he will not do those particular creepy things. It is a trivial way to ensure you stay creepy, or to make yourself creepy by worrying about the problem. No one's going to really understand your aversions, but they will pick up on them. Another example from the other direction is vanity, where forcing your concept of what you think is appealing stops you form ever doing what other people think is appealing, and so by cultivating your vanity you destroy your beauty and defeat yourself.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So we cultivate anti qi, gotcha

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Better to just think about the feeling of the examples I gave rather than confusing yourself with names.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No confusion here, babe, just a well poisoner

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Look at them quadrumvirate of infinities.

    • 4 weeks ago
      gas station shits

      EerieWeb FUD 101

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thus. 99.99% of people here don't have the discipline to report the results of any discipline let alone something as abstract and nuanced as qi going. This site feels increasingly like a giant larp.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This site feels increasingly like a giant larp.
          I suppose its difficult to tell poor information from good when one has an attachment to a certain view in his head

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can practice the book of five rings as it instructs for 4 months, reread the art of war and go look at Xhinese history again.

    remind boomers we'll still be smarter than them in three generations.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The argument for learning qi gong with a teacher is valid.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but this is also the 21st century, the era of technology and the Information Age. Learning from thorough and complete uploaded documents in a safe manner with adequate warning is preferable to learning scraps from poorly released information.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The information is even more thoroughly gatekept at this moment in history because is a direct path to these masters getting incredibly wealthy. We're talking millions of dollars a month type of rich. Imo it's not gonna happen in the near future.
        And that's on top of already not wanting to share with foreigners due to cultural reasons.
        That being said there are legitimate concerns for saying you need a master beyond just them gatekeeping for selfish reasons
        >neigong would make worse a lot of blockages that people won't even be aware they have
        >the training in itself can cause internal damage that in time can mutate into something very bad
        >doing it by yourself can lead to small deviations in practice that would either create blockages or stop your progress if not fixed by a master
        >if somehow you get to a decent level you can literally have a nice day. For example practicing emission type of arts that do nothing for people who don't have acces to their qi, like reiki, will kill a legit neigong practitioner or make him very very sick.
        On top of that, I really doubt people who want to study these things have what it takes. If they did and were actually truly wanting to learn, they would just gather the money and go to Asia. Most think they train neigong and then they live like they're on a constant dmt trip when the opposite is what actually happens. Weird sensations in the body stop, you get no qi feelings, no visions, nothing(because those things are actually deviations and you're supposed to fix them before starting). You just practice for 10-20 years with nothing going on at all. Not as glamourous as people imagine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Weird sensations in the body stop, you get no qi feelings, no visions, nothing

          Interesting. So what is it like when you've mastered QiGong/NeiGong and have no deviations? What is the daily experience like? And what is the goal?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So what is it like when you've mastered QiGong/NeiGong and have no deviations?
            There is nothing to it. You might feel like a slight pump or heat in the ldt but nothing else. When you take the qi out of the body, things happen, but otherwise there is nothing to it
            >And what is the goal?
            The end goal is Daoist immortality, but I don't know if that's a real thing or just a legend. I've spent almost a decade in Asia and never encountered a tian xian fwiw.
            But behind that, it's mostly used in tcm diagnosis and healings. T

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So nei dan is basically the boringification of life

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's about learning to unlock and control a hidden function of your body. Bio-hacking is what I would call it. It's tedious af, that's for sure

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tedious
            it may be tedious building the foundation, but once some of the fruits are there then the whole notion of tedious should go out the window too. I would look forward to the daily energy bath and my body would crave it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >boring
            silly kid, master even something as simple as breathwork and boredom becomes a thing of the past

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I saw someone faint during my first qi gong class. small asian chick passed out cold for 30mins they had to call an ambo it was pretty funny to see.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Checked. This guy knows his shit. QiGong isn't a fricking toy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >QiGong isn't a fricking toy.
            neidan isnt a toy
            chikung is more or less just keeping the body proper to support proper amounts of meditation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I stand corrected.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >So what is it like when you've mastered QiGong/NeiGong and have no deviations?
          There is nothing to it. You might feel like a slight pump or heat in the ldt but nothing else. When you take the qi out of the body, things happen, but otherwise there is nothing to it
          >And what is the goal?
          The end goal is Daoist immortality, but I don't know if that's a real thing or just a legend. I've spent almost a decade in Asia and never encountered a tian xian fwiw.
          But behind that, it's mostly used in tcm diagnosis and healings. T

          Why does some midwit, gatekeeping, satanist homosexual always show up when the topic of Taoism and its associated practices are discussed on this board? Let me guess, next you will advise everyone to stop looking into the topic entirely and just settled with a basic mindfulness meditation.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm gonna checkdeeztrips as this post is knowledgeable

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes but this is also the 21st century, the era of technology and the Information Age. Learning from thorough and complete uploaded documents in a safe manner with adequate warning is preferable to learning scraps from poorly released information.
        this is only valid for certain things
        this is why I only teach breathwork here

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, seek a teacher.

        The argument for learning qi gong with a teacher is valid.

        That's how it works, that's how the traditions and teachings have existed. Throughout all history and accounts of practitioners, you don't hear of any worthwhile ones who didn't have teachers themselves. No one takes seriously anyone who just comes up with stuff on their own. That's just how it is, and will be.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can most certainly make it without a teacher, is it probable that you will develop diseases and die before achieving something like qi projection? Yes, but you still have chances if you're extremely careful. After all, many people have died refining the art, with and without masters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes, but you still have chances if you're extremely careful.
            the knowledge is not available anywhere. The understanding of what happens inside is wrong in 90% of cases. Small modifications that you might not even be aware to a correct practice can transform completely the effect or negate it, and that's assuming you somehow get your hands on the correct techniques.
            Illness, blockages and deviations(of which you also might not be aware at all) can either slow or completely stop one from progressing as well.
            There is little(and I mean almost 0%) chance you can get anything meaningful without at least occasionally visiting a real master

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree with the availability of knowledge, the high levels of nei gong are all about extreme bodily efficiency and qi is just another bodily fluid, just like with yoga, one wrong step and you're fricked, a master isn't a guaranty, it just increases your chances of not fricking up. But all you need to control qi is to be able to push it and squeeze with fascia and tendons and to have some degree of quality of mind to produce quality qi, you can achieve all this with publicly available knowledge on the arts, and there are plenty of TCM sources you can cross reference for acquiring a seamless understanding of the location of meridians, the meditative part you can even wing it.

            If all you want to do is to zap people with your fingers this is more than enough, provided you invest the necessary time of cultivation. However if we're going for the whole pill journey and the flashy shit that's when complex circulation configurations and secretive, potentially life threatening shit gets introduced. But most people i come across and don't have any idea about all this just want to zap people with their fingers and larp.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the high levels of nei gong
            the high level of nei gong don't work if the foundation is not set correctly. The foundational stage of neigong is to be able to emit the electric qi, like John Chang in that video, only after that can you move to more advanced practices. If you're not able to do that than your foundation is not set up properly and nothing after it works or produces any notable results. This is one of the brilliancy of the Chinese masters who openly allowed the advanced knowledge to permeate and completely hid(or maybe it just got lost in time) the basic blocks without which nothing works

            >But all you need to control qi is to be able to push it and squeeze with fascia and tendons and to have some degree of quality of mind to produce quality qi
            that is not all you need. The pathways need to be opened, trained and widened, the qi needs to reach a specific refinement level, certain points need to be open and most importantly the ldt needs to be active and able to generate and store qi which is far far rarer than people think.
            If things were as simple as you people think, then we would all be knee deep in people shooting electricity through their fingers. The fact that we're not is proof that things are more complex

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I already addressed all this by referencing the huang/tendons and meridians, and the ldt is a given since the whole system pretty much revolved around it. I've never said it isn't rare, mainly because people hate cultivation, all i've said is you don't need a master to zap people with your fingers, and that stands true.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I already addressed all this by referencing the huang/tendons and meridians
            that's not what I said and it's not the same with what you mentioned.
            >and the ldt is a given since the whole system pretty much revolved around it. I've never said it isn't rare, mainly because people hate cultivation
            I have seen thousand of people go visit these masters in China, from every single lineage and system out there and none of them had a dantian, despite all believing that they do. You really have no idea just how rare it is

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and there are plenty of TCM sources you can cross reference for acquiring a seamless understanding of the location of meridians,
            TCM is not synonymous with neidan, there's reasons why you cant wing this or think you can reverse engineer it with a copy of Deadman's manual
            >the meditative part you can even wing it
            not a recipe for a good time
            this is why I teach you guys breathwork, because its the basic foundational parts that are required for anything more advanced. learn this well and it will provide a great yin to the yang of whatever broadly termed energy practices are learned afterward. if you dont attain stillness then r in ohm's law never lets you have good amplitude.
            I have friends who given where they are now, wish they completed the breath training that I teach more thoroughly earlier because at those stages of practicing places you have other things to focus on aside from the breath.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is single-handedly the most convincing argument for getting a teacher. 99% of people would probably need one given that these points are true - however, a more open and helpful culture regarding sharing information online alleviates this.

            The problem is QiGong hasn't been found by Silicon Valley at large yet. When the "open-source" crowd cracks it open, the need for a teacher decreases as troubleshooting and tips become more widely disseminated and added to easily accessed databases. This is the ideal outcome as opposed to continued information scarcity.

            I'd presume CIA, special interest groups have a hand in not letting that be the case though. They don't want any group to become too powerful. That's why China itself stamped out Falun Gong.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'd presume CIA, special interest groups have a hand in not letting that be the case though. They don't want any group to become too powerful. That's why China itself stamped out Falun Gong.

            Yeah its funny you mention that because that's exactly the case. Why do you think there's been all these Wang Liping seminars after the teachers from the Qigong movement of the 80s/90s became suppressed? Why else do you think that is the dominant faction at DaoBums, which is the only moving, however slowly now, forum for such topics in West. Before DaoBums there was a spot called Tea House, which still might be around, that served a similar function. Western governmental types have long been taking a hard look at these topics and traditions and have had a hand in managing what gets known or talked about in the West. They don't care about the traditions, they only care about what they can use for operations. They're real buttholes. That's enough of a reason why they won't get my services, on top of everything else. That's even before getting into something else outrageously bogus they did, but that's another story.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then this also explains why these Energy Cultivation threads get this amount of shills.
            Betting DaoBums is CIA.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Betting
            shareblue commies
            there was a purge there years ago when soros announced that the right would no longer have a voice on the internet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you implying that Wang Liping is a controlled opposition glowBlack person?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think he was, but that's what I got out of that

            Lol. Lmao.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meant to link

            Then this also explains why these Energy Cultivation threads get this amount of shills.
            Betting DaoBums is CIA.

            , not

            Lol. Lmao.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People like him, they really want to teach, they really care about what they do. But they are being pushed, pulled and used by either side whether its the Chinese government or a Western one. That shit has got to stop.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They don't care about the traditions, they only care about what they can use for operations. They're real buttholes.
            this, about those mfs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It really pisses me off. Here's why. Millions of people died in the Cultural Revolution, this included a lot of traditional Taoists, Buddhists, etc. Whole lineages, temples, sects decimated. What does CIA go and do, alongside the Nixon visit before the CR was even over, they later go on to establish secret relations that enabled the PRC/PLA through technological transfers, before the corporate world could but later did, that made them the rival they are today. Even for those who don't care what happened to those lost during the CR, the very issue with PRC/PLA today that is a concern, a liability if you will, to US military personnel or any other ally that would get involved in a conflict, whether its Taiwan or South China Sea etc., the CIA went and made that problem for everyone.

            FRICK those motherfrickers. If I have it my way, I will shit on the graves of every American who was involved in that, along with their families graves. I will piss on their historical memories forever.

            Then this also explains why these Energy Cultivation threads get this amount of shills.
            Betting DaoBums is CIA.

            New generation better figure out if they want to make a death wish like the old generations did.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >something else outrageously bogus they did
            Might you be able to elaborate?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This is single-handedly the most convincing argument for getting a teacher.
            based

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can try, but if you start teaching and people ask who your teacher(s) was/were, and if you say no, they know its an instant red flag to not learn from you. These traditions are based on teaching, passing things down, lineage, its just inappropriate to apply the modern attitude of scholasticism to it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can most certainly make it without a teacher,
            a breathwork & meditative foundation can be properly learned without in person teachings
            beyond that, caveat emptor
            learning the breathwork to an exemplary degree will help save your own ass but learning energy practices are really just better done in person, and you should more or less quit b***hing about this, spend an amount of time building a meditative foundation, and when the student is ready, a teacher will appear

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Might anyone happen to know if the warnings in these posts apply to yoga? For example, would it be safe to do the Five Tibetan Rites without an instructor?

      Sit still and breathe for a lil while

      you will cause yourself harm without a teacher

      You can most certainly make it without a teacher, is it probable that you will develop diseases and die before achieving something like qi projection? Yes, but you still have chances if you're extremely careful. After all, many people have died refining the art, with and without masters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yogas of the body are fine to do

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To add onto this, is it safe to do Tai chi without an instructor? Also, is it possible to do qigong without realizing it?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but as far as Taiji goes, it's near fricking pointless to not do it with a teacher because you really really won't get how to do the body mechanics let alone how to fight with it on your own, that's a guarantee.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's near [...] pointless to not do it with a teacher
            Even if one were to consult high quality books and/or videos? Even just for health reasons and not the martial arts aspect? Do you know if it's safe to do it without a teacher?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's safe because it's a martial art and not Qi gong. It doesn't make sense because you want a teacher to correct your form

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you know if it's possible for a solo practitioner of qigong to know when a mistake was made? And if so, if it can be corrected? Like visiting an acupuncturist.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, let me put it this way. The martial arts aspect, training that way, is ALSO the best way to get health benefits from the practice. And a teacher, if they are good, will get you there in a way you can't on your own, no matter what quality of content you study from.

            Here is one simple reason why, if you are not familiar with your own center of gravity enough, you're not going to figure out how to control it without a teacher, and chances are a good Taiji teacher will, upon physical contact, understand your own center of gravity better than you.

            It takes a long time to really developing rooting, and how to shift your center of gravity at will, a teacher will give you the physical feedback to train that in a way one cannot on their own.

            That's before considering everything else about structural alignment and relaxation and everything, that even a lot of long time practitioners do not understand.

            There is also the added issue that, if one trains on their own without a teacher, that training becomes habitual, and if that includes mistakes or bad habits, those can be difficult to break. There is a lot of motion that is either counterintuitive for many, or goes against the habits of body mechanics for other physical activities or martial arts.

            Its exceedingly complicated, and while the end result is actually somewhat simplified, to get there takes a lot different conditioning and breaking old habits.

            But if you get there, that's a treasure for life.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you know if it's true that Tai chi is the most powerful martial art? There might be an old saying: a Tai chi master can defeat 100 men and not be exhausted afterwards.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Some years ago an US MMA fighter went to china and defeated every internal arts master, showing to the world it was a Scam. The internal arts is mostly an art lost since the era of guns and due to each generation 10% of teaching were lost.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a US MMA fighter went to China and defeated every internal arts master
            Do you recall his name?

            The yin is gross energy, the yang is subtle energy that came from the great void.

            >yang is subtle energy that came from the great void
            Do you recall where you learned that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you recall where you learned that?
            Your Hands Can Heal You: Pranic Healing Energy - Stephen Co

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The "power" of it doesn't come from muscle or rigidity like other styles do. It comes from the structural power, in the skeleton, and the body mechanics do put whole body power in a strike, by generation the force from the root all the way to the end point which is the part that is striking. It's not as much based on closed fists, but a lot of palms, forearms, elbow, which the "power" of is amplified through these body mechanics and the "relaxation" to use them effectively. If you're too tense, too hard, too rigid, you can't implement the body mechanics like that. What you also get, is the ability to have a powerful strike at various angles and ranges that say a boxer generally cannot. This also makes for much faster striking. Taiji is really fast when used like its meant to. I would say the speed excels the power, but the power depends on the person, their body structure, their ability to use relaxation to make the strikes happen as I described.

            Some years ago an US MMA fighter went to china and defeated every internal arts master, showing to the world it was a Scam. The internal arts is mostly an art lost since the era of guns and due to each generation 10% of teaching were lost.

            >a US MMA fighter went to China and defeated every internal arts master
            Do you recall his name?
            [...]
            >yang is subtle energy that came from the great void
            Do you recall where you learned that?

            Look, that's no surprised because China at one point essentially banned people practicing the martial applications of these arts so less and less of the teachers have known how to apply the martial applications. Something similar happened between a group of Wing Chun fighters and Muay Thai fighters, I don't recall all the details or where it happened, either in Hong Kong or Thailand. The style is only as good as you know how to apply it for fighting.

            In any case, I studied boxing before any of these so I apply both together, but my boxing is would have far less limitation than it ever did, as in, I can have the same power and technique in any stance that a boxer might not have, for starters.

            So, I would have no issue facing this person, who supposedly did this. Thing is, I don't train with gloves. I would prefer gloveless, no wraps even.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The latest fighter known that use internal arts effectively and made demonstration on TV was Bruce Lee. He always use the philosophy: "To be as Water".

            What the recent accident with MMA fighter shows, that if you aren't trained in internal arts, those masters won't do shit on you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've not known of Bruce Lee to have any connection to internal styles. But there's a secret about why he was able to become so powerful in his life, and I'll keep that it that way for the time being.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In the book Magus of Java it was said to practice kung fu give you the energy of an Internal arts master. Shaolin Kung fu use Mahayana Buddhist Chan (ancestor of Zen) meditation to achieve water stillness or emptiness or great void.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In Hokuto No Ken it was said that a fighter typically can use up to 30% of their strength and that Hokuto Shinken teaches one to use the other 70%.

            70% of our bodies are water anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The water is a reference to you thoughts not the water in body but in your mind. Being still as water means have not thoughts = great void in your left brain.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Water can also refer to the Kan trigram which depending on how it is met with Li, or fire, different things can occur.

            But it's literal too, because its how the bodily fluids are used that are as much a factor than bone, muscle or tendon.

            If your body is conditioned, including not only the muscle memory but the parasympathetic nervous system and how fluids are regulated with it, you're more prepared for a fight and wouldn't be "thinking" about it as its happening anyway, nor should you. Water typically responds to shape rather than shaping anything, and good techniques are responsive to something already initiated. If you let the opponent make the first decision to move, you don't need to think it for them.

            I'm going home.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there's a secret about why he was able to become so powerful in his life, and I'll keep it that way for the time being
            Would it be dangerous to share the secret?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me put it this way: they can show you the technique but you will still have to practice, a lot. It's done by feel. You have to learn to feel the flow of "chi" in your body. I have had some small success with these things, but my practice has been anything but diligent. The principles, I understand. Once you understand the principles you are good to go. And by some success I do mean a few paranormal incidents.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sit still and breathe for a lil while

    you will cause yourself harm without a teacher

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really, I think the "teacher" is only really needed if someone has a kundalini experience, and goes a wee bit mad for a while. Keep em out of traffic, and what not.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CONGRATULATIONS

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >effort blocks dao
    >practice is unnatural
    cultivating the proper conditions requires effort
    cultivation itself is entirely natural
    what you miss is the part about regulating until regulation happens automatically
    cultivation thusly becomes a single moment no matter the length of time elapsed

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >regulating until regulation happens automatically
    this is what's required to wu wei
    this is where "there is no effort"
    throwing the baby out with the bath water

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I confess, Christ is Lord. That is the other path I've chosen, as a Master his skill is unmatched. Redeems sinners and blesses the righteous. My own ways are inferior. It's a similar process with the renewing of the mind through Christ. I love you take care. You are never alone.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    sad when beginners cant stand to be corrected
    and restate their inexperienced views

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could it be.
      That there’s no such thing as QiGong.
      Just a suggestion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        inanity trying to rip apart a language you have no understanding of

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s what OP called it.
          You can call it Chi, prana, kundalini whatever.
          It’s just some vaguely Eastern LARP energy with some breathing and some gurus.
          The frog posters

          https://i.imgur.com/E7GVWb9.jpeg

          I took magic mushrooms yesterday and after it was fading away I came to this bread and this post and image made me laugh hysterically for ages. I was fricking crying with laughter. It’s was bliss.
          Thanks for that

          and

          https://i.imgur.com/7bxKYCM.gif

          Fricking kek I posted that shit.
          Cosmic shit and stuff bro, I'm happy you had a nice trip 🙂

          are just as profound.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you can call it any mishmash of words I dont understand, it all means nothing to me as I have no basis to understand or appreciate any of it
            to see
            to bleed
            cannot be taught

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Larp
            >But it works
            >Unlike Magick yew
            >Which produces no results

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What is Magick yew?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are western examples as well.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Itt: le forbidden cult

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can I do to instantly improve my life and wellbeing?
    Non-attachment (like described here) would probably instantly improve your life and well-being: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN35_88.html

    Wanting things so much you'll do something unnatural is how you people who don't have you absolutely best interests are heart obtain/retain the means of control over you.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can I do to instantly improve my life and wellbeing?
    When you ask for something this subjective and open to interpretation you are just playing mental gymnastics mind games with yourself. You're just going to get a bunch of useless self help responses. If what you want is just improvement to life and wellbeing, having more money will do that lol, or go pay for therapy or something IDK, but that's not gonna come from Qi Gong.

    You are really just asking for a placebo in this thread, maybe you don't realize that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Therapy doesnt work

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Therapy doesnt work
        I know, it's just bullshit for idiots that lack self awareness and can't be honest with themselves. But that's the same kind of person who chases subjective nonsense and placebos so the effect would be the same.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At least this is free

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >At least this is free
            Losing time is a high cost too.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Garrote

    try embrionic breathing maybe
    but I dunno, I've never been really successful at it

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >there's no achievement to even be made
    Ngmi

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Lol this kid
    As if you have any say
    Maybe next lifetime you will be taught properly, if you are lucky

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But does it fix your joints up

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It can, especially tai chi.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    assuming powers that you do not have
    lifetimes in samsara for you

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These threads are fun. I'm into this shit.
    I get in a horse stance and do the kata's, there are a bunch of physical movements. I don't think the kata's really matter but it's all about blood flow because chi is actually the blood moving around your body, the circulation of chi is the circulation of blood. So I'm doing these movements which are very meditative and repetetive and synch with my breathing. Meanwhile I'm focusing on my posture with my back straight with a little bit of a forward pelvic thrust to activate the core. All of the chi energy is supposed to pool in the dantien which is near the naval. As the center of mass and the core of your body it probably has the most potential as a store of this energy. A lot of it is mental because while doing the kata's and breathing, I'm also blanking my mind and focusing intensely on my body and the energy within my body. Action follows intent so in my meditation I will the energy into myself. I also step through a self hypnosis exercise where I'm opening my chakra's and intending for the flow of energy to be pure and unobstructed. Visualization within the mindspace is like a magnetic pull that draws all the power in the universe into myself and I'm compressing that power stacking it and multiplying it. Infinite infinities collapsing inward into the singularity. Becoming the point, the focal point of all time and space with cosmic awareness.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >also step through a self hypnosis exercise where I'm opening my chakra's and intending for the flow of energy to be pure and unobstructed. Visualization within the mindspace is like a magnetic pull that draws all the power in the universe into myself and I'm compressing that power stacking it and multiplying it. Infinite infinities collapsing inward into the singularity. Becoming the point, the focal point of all time and space with cosmic awareness.
      you were doing great until you got here

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do qigong while I am on the stairmaster. While listening to psytrance. It is so easy to still the mind with a heart rate of 175...

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you not a fan of hypnosis? I think self hypnosis is a pretty powerful tool for unlocking your own capabilities. If you can trigger yourself into altered states at will, it has a lot of potential. Language is the operating system of the human organism and through words we're able to manipulate our perception of reality.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you can trigger yourself into altered states
      entirely unnecessary
      cultivate awareness
      everything springs forth from there
      if you can be hypnotized then you need some mental strengthening

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well another area of study I find interesting is the idea of the viking berserker, and what I found out is that the berserkergang techniques are a form of self hypnosis. By flexing various large muscle groups and causing pain by biting their shields they were able to invoke a surge of adrenaline. You can see modern martial artists using some similar techniques before a match they might jump up into the air repeatedly activating lots of large muscles. Or think about a time you got hit and it just made you so mad you didn't even feel it. The berserker state is all about using your willpower and technique to provoke an altered state where you are an adrenaline monster. In theory it would make a warrior much stronger and more ferocious. Early germanic people even had a whole bear religion where the berserker or bear-shirted warrior would become like an animal. Calling on animal aggression in a primal sense. It's like a superpower. The movie Split also delves into this concept a little bit. The psycho with multiple personality disorders, has one personality that is a big bad wolf and in that altered state he's doing some extreme physical feats. Hysterical superstrength is a well known phenomenon. A woman lifts the wreckage of a 2000 lb car off her child and it makes headlines. The human body has limiters but the human mind, with the right training, can surpass and ignore those limits.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >with the right training, can surpass and ignore those limits.
          awareness training is every bit as powerful and ten thousand times as safe

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who wants safe? Nah, I want to strap a rocket to my car and cut the brake lines. I'm all about speed. Lets fricking go till the wheels come off. Nobody lives forever.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In modern day, most people who go berserk do not choose to. They are just genetically predisposed to enter that kind of state under certain circumstances.
          It's like a very aggro equivalent to the fainting goats.
          It takes a lot of time and practice to learn to stop yourself from entering the state unwillingly. It's not generally a good thing to have.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > self-hypnosis
      That's are mantra or prayer your are repeating 5 times a days.

      For the circulation of chi was instinctive you need to repeat it for years and create a muscular memory of it same for breathing. But the place where you practice is important too, nothing better that being in a forest or a mountain.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The things you are saying just aren't true.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He is 100% true tho. You guys shun whatever doesn't match your preconceived notions. Doesn't make it any less true tho.
          Qi and qi pathways take literally decades of daily practice to get to a good enough level in order to be usable. None of that "I got qi by doing 2 weeks of meditation". Outside locations matter as well as atmospheric conditions(such as thunderstorms).
          Funny to me how you guys pick to hard disagree specifically with the things that are correct.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You guys shun whatever doesn't match your preconceived notions.
            This is what you do.

            You have no experience outside of what you've been told, so you think that's the entirety of it. But it is not.

            Outside conditions are a factor, but you can cultivate in a cupboard as well as the mountains. Repeating mantras is just one, not the entirety, of self-hypnosis.

            Qi itself is a practice of self-hypnosis.
            Some people can master it in days if not a single day - that's not the majority and it only refers to a very select few, but you speak so absolutely it's ridiculous. I've seen you speak this way in multiple threads.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA you’re absolutely right. The aim of any sort of “cultivation” (fricking hate that chuunibyou term) is to build a bridge between your conscious and subconscious minds. The Nordic Bifrost. Gnosis of the Chaos Magicians. Jung’s Individuation. The Marriage of Heaven and Earth of the alchemists.

            He is 100% true tho. You guys shun whatever doesn't match your preconceived notions. Doesn't make it any less true tho.
            Qi and qi pathways take literally decades of daily practice to get to a good enough level in order to be usable. None of that "I got qi by doing 2 weeks of meditation". Outside locations matter as well as atmospheric conditions(such as thunderstorms).
            Funny to me how you guys pick to hard disagree specifically with the things that are correct.

            You read too much wuxia. The obsession of the modern Chinese with bodily phenomena is the result of a profound misunderstanding of their ancient practices. Like I said before, it’s the same fate yoga will suffer before long (the West can’t even remember if it ever had a path like this). You misunderstand what qi, channels, organs, and jing is. That is not surprising, as modern man thinks in ways so different from the ways that birthed this system of thought. If you wish to actually understand it, you must develop your own practice, so that you might recognize the hallmarks of any other, since there is only one true way.
            I know it’s stupid of me to post this, but I don’t care. I just needed to vent a little. I feel dismal about the situation we’re all in.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            修身 is LITERALLY "Self Cultivation". If anyone is chuuni here it's you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Xiushen means “to improve oneself” (body, personality or moral values). It directly relates to: “think good thoughts, say good words and do good deeds” and to depolarizing and deconditioning oneself so as to not waste your qi on unproductive activities (arguing with strangers on the internet). Still, I don’t get your point. Why do you bring up that term?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, read your post again and I think I know why you brought that up. Because I said I hate the term “cultivation”?
            It adds an unnecessary layer of mystique (hence why I called it chuunibyou). It simply means “self-improvement”. And if you want to be more specific about how that improvement happens, you can say “meditation”, “reflecting on morals”, “doing good deeds”, or unironically “going to therapy”. Instead of
            >im le epic cultivator
            You understand what I mean now?
            That is a purely literary fantasy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >BECAUSE I HATE THIS WORD
            lol snot nosed malding zoomers

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The irony of the guy that thinks qi is magic telling the guy that lives in China and that believes qi mastery is a physiological function expressed as electricity that he reads too much wuxia is peak /x/ kek

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Qi is an abstraction of physiology. But I don’t understand what electricity has to do with anything. Other than there being electrical signals in the body. But qi involves much more (hormones, muscle function, thermogenesis…).
            Also, what does you living in China have to do with anything? Such a weird argument of authority.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Qi is an abstraction of physiology
            Qi is an abstraction of energy. The body's proceses(hormones, muscle function, thermogenesis,etc) are just biomechanical way of transferring energy from one point to another and from one state to another.
            >But I don’t understand what electricity has to do with anything.
            The qi you get from internal cultivation, the onlyt type of qi that a dantian can store and generate and that can be further refined by the body is electrical.
            >what does you living in China have to do with anything
            Fair enough, I'll give you that

            Qi is literally a magic system that burdens the user by forcing them to constantly have to manage a foreign energy that symbiotically attaches itself to the body. It is a form of "magic", and not an extremely useful one either.

            You can't prove me wrong because I'm not wrong. Try and cope, rube.

            >have to manage a foreign energy that symbiotically attaches itself to the body
            Funnily enough, the refinement of qi within the body is often referred to as a sort of digestion. The qi you generate initially is not quite yours but after enough refinements it becomes yours

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Qi is literally a magic system that burdens the user by forcing them to constantly have to manage a foreign energy that symbiotically attaches itself to the body. It is a form of "magic", and not an extremely useful one either.

            You can't prove me wrong because I'm not wrong. Try and cope, rube.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m the anon he quoted and I think you are mistaken. Qi, as understood by Chinese medicine, is an abstraction of function (the qi of an organ, for example). But one can also talk about the qi of an appliance or the qi of a group of people, a rock formation…it’s the doing-being.
            What you might be referring to as a way to do magic is “qi manipulation”. I personally think it’s a very useful set of symbols to do magic. But to each their own.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are internal energies and essences, but Qi is quite course, rough, sandy and energetic compared to other, natural energies of the body.

            Can you remember the texture of the energy that was in your body before you started QiGong? How does it differ from the energy you experience since QiGong?

            It's great to discuss this with someone familiar with the energies but also open minded, because I've wanted to express these thoughts for a while.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Qi is quite course, rough, sandy and energetic compared to other, natural energies of the body.
            Why do you think the qi is not a natural energy of the body? This is from the start a wrong assumption

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because no one has proved to me it is, they just say it is. I think my questions are pertinent in discovering whether it is or not.

            You say it’s a wrong assumption. Fine. Can you still answer the questions I asked in an honest and candid fashion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well, I'm not the anon you were talking to but

            There are internal energies and essences, but Qi is quite course, rough, sandy and energetic compared to other, natural energies of the body.

            Can you remember the texture of the energy that was in your body before you started QiGong? How does it differ from the energy you experience since QiGong?

            It's great to discuss this with someone familiar with the energies but also open minded, because I've wanted to express these thoughts for a while.

            >Can you remember the texture of the energy that was in your body before you started QiGong? How does it differ from the energy you experience since QiGong?
            It's the same energy but more of it and you have direct control over it. You learn to generate more of a specific type of energy that the body has very little of. They call it zhen qi or true qi. This type of qi can be further refined or "downgraded"(so to speak) to be useful for various organs in the body. For example, a high level of refinement can transform that qi into a type of qi that can be used by the brain directly. This is what they call shen. But you don't have any new energy than what the body can generate. Where would you even get such energies and how would your body use something that it's not capable by its innate nature to process?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Where would you even get such energies
            The environment. Earth. Mountains. Soil. Rocks. Sand. Mud.

            >and how would your body use something that it's not capable by its innate nature to process?
            As was said by someone else, it’s comparable to digestion. Hence “refinement” of it from raw unusable energy into something useable. Which is just an imitation on a smaller scale of geologic processes turning/evolving into biological processes.

            Qi never felt natural nor innate. It always seemed extraneous. Not to say the body doesn’t have innate subtle energies, though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The environment. Earth. Mountains. Soil. Rocks. Sand. Mud.
            The pathway for internal cultivation is transforming one resource you already posses into another. JIng to qi, qi to shen. The whole process is done using resources you already have, the whole gathering qi from outside is at best a side path . The amount of qi you can generate is literally thousands of times more than what even a master could capture from outside nature.
            And even in that case, you can only capture energy that your body can already work with. That is the prerequisite in order to be able to command it to do what you want it.

            >As was said by someone else, it’s comparable to digestion.
            Yeah, that was me who said it. The digestion in this instance refers to making it yours. What I mean by this is having control over it. When you exercise, you generate heat. That is qi. it's yours yet is not yours because you have no control over it and it dissipates. The same can be said for qi. You generate it but until you pass it through the cogs a few times, you don't have full control over it even if it's still yours. And just like the heat from exercise, it has a mind of its own and you'll lose it if not ""digested""

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just like the heat from exercise, it has a mind of its own

            Another reason why I believe it’s entirely a foreign energy. My experience with Qi is not congruent with the experiences I had before Qi. Other energies behave more predictably, more logically, whereas Qi expects you to play by its rules. Not a fan of that, in the slightest.

            >The pathway for internal cultivation is transforming one resource you already posses into another. JIng to qi, qi to shen.
            Again, this doesn’t seem intuitive. It just seems like a simplification/variation of the Chinese elemental chart with some of the variables changed. It always seemed extraneous.

            I preferred how my body interacted and dealt with energy before I discovered Qi and qigong.
            To quote Anakin Skywalker
            >“I hate sand (qi). It’s coarse, it’s rough”.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most people don't actually have the qi they think they have. 99.999% of people who think they have qi and interact with it through practice only have eother deviation or blockages causing all type of weird sensations they mistake for qi. Or they just imagine intently and psyop themselves into believing what they imagine is real.
            What you're describing doesn't sound like qi or result of proper cultivation at all

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you remember the texture of the energy you had in your body before you started QiGong as being the exact same as the energy you use now, except now it’s more voluminous? With zero other differences? I do find that hard to believe, honestly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Speaking of reading too many wuxia novels.
            The qi you cultivate mostly remains unused in the ldt. A small part of it is recirculated and feeds the organs. This means you feel a little more energetic, you heal and recuperate a little faster, you're getting cold slower than normal and maybe people and animals want to be in your presence more usual. But the vast majority of it doesn't do anything. It's like a battery that it's not hooked to any consumers. Look at videos online, you can use that qi to set things on fire, it's a lot of energy, I don't know why people think it constantly circulates in the body or that it's different than what you had before you started. Every type of energy you cultivate you already had, the only thing that changes with cultivation is that you now have the means to store it and further refine it, which you didn't before.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You see, you just said a bunch of rhetoric which is supposed to cajole the subconscious into bringing about the experiences you describe.

            “Feel the sensations” etc - how is it any different from a form of mass delusion? “Heat” and “air” already exist in the body. I do not think “Qi” does.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Real qi can interact directly with the outside world. When emitted into another human, it feels like a strong electric current, regardless of wether the receiver believes in qi or not. When emitted into non living things it either heats them or sets them on fire, or has other manifestations, all of wich are reproducible and measurable.
            I do agree with you tho that most of what's qigong out there is not real, mostly due to people having very low standards of proof about these things because they think it's magic or supernatural or whatever. But the real thing exists and is out there

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does qi display properties of magnetism?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I would say its electromagnetism, not magnetism.
            You can create fields around you or around your hands. For example, in the John Chang video, in order for the qi to be able to move from the masters body into the patient, an electrical circuit needs to close. The first point of contact is through the hands contact, the second point of contact is through a passive field that encompasses the master and links him with the patient. This field is extended either though the yong quan point or as John Chang right fully says, through the huiyin.
            If the points aren't open, then no matter how much qi you have, you will never be able to emit it. Other schools bypass this by having their students sit on wet towels after having these points opened by a master.
            As far as I can tell, this is an electromagnetic type of field. Sometimes you can even feel it like a cloud of static electricity around the guy that's about to emit the qi.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            checked, electricity and magnetism and two sides of the same coin

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yang came from space through stars invisible radiant ray or electromagnetism perceived by the Pineal Gland, Yin come from Earth through Ion and Magnetic field. When you achieve Tao or perfect balance or harmony, Yin and Yang become one : Pure electromagnetic force that came from the Creation (Stars, Earth, sentient being, plants, minerals) , QiGong let you somehow control the circulation of that energy. That energy cleanse your body and heal you faster. But to achieve that harmony there is only one path, the right path : one mindset : Balance.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yang came from space through stars invisible radiant ray or electromagnetism perceived by the Pineal Gland, Yin come from Earth through Ion and Magnetic field.
            Yin and yang denote a relationship, they aren't fixed immutable things.
            Inside is yin and outside is yang. Meat is yang and vegetables are yin yet some meat is yang when compared with other types of meat.
            Qi is yang and blood is yin. Yet if you pair some type of qi with another types of qi one qi is considered yin and another yang. Even the same type of qi can be considered yang if its ascending and yin if is descending
            The moon is yin and the sun is yang yet the moon is yang when compared to humans(because it's celestial in nature).
            This is one of the biggest mistakes i keep seeing repeated over and over, you people don't understand the basic concepts and jump to false assumptions from a very false premise. The whole yin-yang ""fusion"" nonsense that John Chang and Magus of Java spurred is a prime example of this.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > The whole yin-yang ""fusion"" nonsense that John Chang and Magus of Java spurred is a prime example of this.
            No it's real.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            John Changs powers are real, the underlying theory that Magus Of Java expounded about what happens internally and how his qi powers work is nonsense based wither on misunderstanding of what Chang was actually saying, mistranslation or wrong information disseminated willfully by Chang himself.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            one must consider that Jim couldnt speak directly with John
            and the dudes Jim taught are who wrote those books
            and Jim & John are both dead
            the two that Jim taught stay away from what Jim taught them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            isn't it similar to what wang liping says? it's just internal alchemy that works with the LDT

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Inner alchemy is 90% work on the ldt. Liping mostly teaches the 10% part that's not ldt work, imo because the "basic" part is the most guarded secret and without the ldt properly developed the advanced shen practice don't work or barely work

            one must consider that Jim couldnt speak directly with John
            and the dudes Jim taught are who wrote those books
            and Jim & John are both dead
            the two that Jim taught stay away from what Jim taught them

            the books most famous are written by Kosta, John's greek student. Jim was just the first student and most likely the reason the school closed for westerners.
            But yeah, Kosta conversed through an English translator most of the time and John himself is an Indonesian that learned from a Chinese master and continued his studies by learning from a manual written in old Chinese.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            when you know someone on the inside and they dont tell, but give tiny glimpses of see why you're not figuring this out on your own

            Mopai use Christian philosophy at root and Taoism help to achieve the 72. Mopai is dangerous because if your body isn't well prepared you are mostly killing you internal organs by charging with Yang (silent / meditation) and yin (physical exercise) energy, the breathing help to control both energy.
            The path of John Chang:
            > 3 years to learn to sense yin energy and preparation.
            > 6 years to learn to control it.
            > 12 years to read Taoist philosophical books to understand the 72 levels.
            > 1 years to take Taoist vow.
            John Chang died at the 48 levels.

            The true it didn't take 22 years to achieve that skill, but a couple Meditation session at most, what take time is the control of yin. Because if you control the yin, you control the medium on witch the yang energy circulate, what take times is preparing internal organ with yin. More you accumulate Yin energy and more Yang energy will accumulate each meditation.

            There is no 72 levels, this is the misleading part of his teaching desalinated to those who practice only martial arts without the philosophical and mystical parts.

            QiGong must be properly trained in nature (naked foot on grass in plain sun near plants) to maximize the intake of Yin energy (Ion).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > his teaching at* destination* to those who practice

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally not a single thing in this post is even remotely true

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The yin is gross energy, the yang is subtle energy that came from the great void.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yang came from space through stars invisible radiant ray or electromagnetism perceived by the Pineal Gland, Yin come from Earth through Ion and Magnetic field.
            Yin and yang denote a relationship, they aren't fixed immutable things.
            Inside is yin and outside is yang. Meat is yang and vegetables are yin yet some meat is yang when compared with other types of meat.
            Qi is yang and blood is yin. Yet if you pair some type of qi with another types of qi one qi is considered yin and another yang. Even the same type of qi can be considered yang if its ascending and yin if is descending
            The moon is yin and the sun is yang yet the moon is yang when compared to humans(because it's celestial in nature).
            This is one of the biggest mistakes i keep seeing repeated over and over, you people don't understand the basic concepts and jump to false assumptions from a very false premise. The whole yin-yang ""fusion"" nonsense that John Chang and Magus of Java spurred is a prime example of this.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, isn't John Chang's skill just what you get at advanced qi gong/nei gong? The theory and practice is all there, i struggle to understand why this shit should be so rare. Rare to the point "masters" who have spent years on it don't seem to be able to project qi and produce the least impressive effects John Chang displayed, such us "electrocuting" people. You go to a master that's been into it for 2 decades and he can't fricking do that. And i don't believe it is a matter of secrecy, they could easily just slightly "zap" you in the arm under the pretext of demonstrating some sort of "energy transfer", no one's asking them to cut a fruit in two with an energy beam or to fricking fly.

            I personally can feel the movement of qi (under qi gong context) inside my body, move it around and intensify it in specific locations in my body. My body isn't prepped for it though, i haven't even worked my huang, so i don't expect to be able to shoot qi or do anything that involves projection or transfer. I don't have any formal training at all, so why are there so many "masters" with decades of experience that can't do this shit? I can visualize a path for myself, i know what i need to do to achieve projection and transfer, i have studied the theory and practice, i know it's "daunting" and it would take a long time and that's why i'm not interested in that aspect of the practice. But people who have been at it for decades should at the very least be able to perform some sort of noticeable transfer effects.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't have any formal training at all

            Can you please recommend where to learn all this? Learning bits and pieces from /x/ posts is probably not healthy, it's a lot more dangerous than learning from a good source. Thank you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly just read the yi jin jing, the moment you recommend any author that isn't a millenary chinese or indian monk the qi gong nazis are gonna jump at your throat and try to wiener block you a thousand different ways. Damo Mitchell has a nice introductory work to qi gong/nei gong (a comprehensive guide to daoist nei gong) where the fundamentals are presented in a comprehensive way, i'd recommend that to anyone before even touching the classics. But like i said i wouldn't be surprised if some of these qi gong nazis were to pop up right now and tell you Damo Mitchell eats babies and grifts grandmas. Just try to avoid the community as much as possible.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Surely you mean a specific book and not the pdf on taichi.ca

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the moment you recommend any author that isn't a millenary chinese or indian monk the qi gong nazis are gonna jump at your throat and try to wiener block you a thousand different ways
            olfactoryanon knows this all too well

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have to learn in person. Go to asia after reading a few books on the topic if there's no masters near you.

            I mean, isn't John Chang's skill just what you get at advanced qi gong/nei gong? The theory and practice is all there, i struggle to understand why this shit should be so rare. Rare to the point "masters" who have spent years on it don't seem to be able to project qi and produce the least impressive effects John Chang displayed, such us "electrocuting" people. You go to a master that's been into it for 2 decades and he can't fricking do that. And i don't believe it is a matter of secrecy, they could easily just slightly "zap" you in the arm under the pretext of demonstrating some sort of "energy transfer", no one's asking them to cut a fruit in two with an energy beam or to fricking fly.

            I personally can feel the movement of qi (under qi gong context) inside my body, move it around and intensify it in specific locations in my body. My body isn't prepped for it though, i haven't even worked my huang, so i don't expect to be able to shoot qi or do anything that involves projection or transfer. I don't have any formal training at all, so why are there so many "masters" with decades of experience that can't do this shit? I can visualize a path for myself, i know what i need to do to achieve projection and transfer, i have studied the theory and practice, i know it's "daunting" and it would take a long time and that's why i'm not interested in that aspect of the practice. But people who have been at it for decades should at the very least be able to perform some sort of noticeable transfer effects.

            it's rare because it essentially comes from china, and the chinese have cracked down on religious practices like this since the CCP came to be. The masters can't show themselves publicly because of this. They also don't want to as they have nothing to prove, and it draws too much attention. Just look at how much attention John Chang got.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if there's no masters near you.
            Not him but the nearest teacher I know exists has a school but how can I know it's authentic and that I am ready?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >how can I know it's authentic
            He has to be able to prove to you without any shoadow of a doubt that what the practices is real. That means he's supposed to make a demo of it, probably within the first 2-3 months since joining his sect
            >that I am ready
            if you're ready, you'll be able to easily differentiate between bullshit and real. If you're not ready you'll most likely fail to see that something is nonsense and fall for the meme esoteric word salads that anons itt are so adept at throwing at you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            amplitude ripens in stillness
            without superlative stillness,
            ohm's law gets ya every time

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Mopai is dangerous because if your body isn't well prepared you are mostly killing you internal organs
            you quite literally burn jing every time such an activity is performed

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No yang came from Shem cultivate through Zuowang (72).

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah except john & jiang killed themselves overusing these techs
            burns jing
            every time
            this is why people dont want to show off unless they've got some trick to make it easier to mimic an effect instead of do the real thing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Using internal energy for healing is mostly dangerous even master can't do more than 2 patient a day after they are tired for 3 days, the secret is to use external energy coming from Shem. But to achieve 72 is literally Buddha stage, when you do their is an energy like electric fire that is poured into you it's usually called Manna or External Life Force from Heaven, this is the Yang that John Chang used.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >when you do their is an energy like electric fire that is poured into you it's usually called Manna or External Life Force from Heaven, this is the Yang that John Chang used.
            john wouldnta burned himself up died if that was the case

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The fire is only a sensation, is a fire like sensation that is hot but doesn't burn like written in Bible (crystalized fire from alchimist). That energy is the river of life that came from the great void, it's Adam or Life itself the hands of God.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I sometimes have felt this after some practices, a few of the times being really bad and the burning sensation lasting for minutes in different limbs. I assumed this was some blockage being cleared or excessive stress on a channel or channels, the legs were specially bad it felt almost like i was dying and it's not an exaggeration.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've only felt it in the upper body, it's some kind of kundalini but that begin in left hand and rise up to the head then go down to solar plexus and right hand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cont.

            that energy is intense and last for 3 weeks even if not used, your body is full of energy and any addiction in brain is gone, your sense are more sensible too, etc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's like holding an electric fence but that doesn't hurt and the electric current is moving really slow. (I think it depend of the heartbeat, since in meditation I am around 45 50 bpm, it's slow.)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When used in hard martial arts, it's done as one rapid burst. That's the point of the kiai.
            Think of it like trying to create a water hammer, but that hammer is your fist.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think the burning enhances my limbs though, but i've never tried to do anything with them while it was happening so i can't tell 100%. Like i said i just assumed it was some blockage getting cleared or the channels being too stressed and getting fried. In any case it's a pretty bad experience so i doubt it's naturally supposed to happen or be used, unless it's some sort of blockage clearing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            jfc what are people doing that they are causing this
            my arm channels opened very gently, first the yin and then the yang, but you have to properly get past the laogung first

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people die from doing it
            >its just a sensation
            I think you're a little too ESL for this conversation

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't my lack of ESL writing skill, but more my lack in Chinese philosophy.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why do QiGong if it burns Jing? Ancestral energy? This is why I say it's a fricking farce, as well as multiple other reasons.

            Using internal energy for healing is mostly dangerous even master can't do more than 2 patient a day after they are tired for 3 days, the secret is to use external energy coming from Shem. But to achieve 72 is literally Buddha stage, when you do their is an energy like electric fire that is poured into you it's usually called Manna or External Life Force from Heaven, this is the Yang that John Chang used.

            And they told me in this very thread that QiGong doesn't use external energies.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jing come from kidney it's the water element maybe if you don't use the 5 elements method your kidney will end up dying.

            The basic would be to build a Yin energy through the 5 elements then bring Yang from spiritual realm or Shem through the 72 meditation. (This is Christianity part, the 72 lead the righteous one to heaven or Buddha/Christ stage)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In Mopai you have to take vows that you would not use the power for profit or personal interest.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do QiGong if it burns Jing?
            pay attention, we were talking john chang's electric chi treatments

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            John Chang died from a fall, he was elderly by then. What you say might be more true about Jiang, maybe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda bizarre that a man that can allegedly survive being sandwiched inside a car in a traffic collision and come out unscathed would die of a fall. In the magus of java he says he can harden his body so even a car crashing into him wouldn't hurt him.

            Although he also talked about his master's death, he said he died bleeding from all the orifices in his body while at home. Maybe they get weaker as they grow old for depleting their jing or over stressing their channels or some shit. John Chang talked about how incredibly painful the process of prepping his lower dan tian for merging yin and yang qi together was, and how it was still painful to merge the two after that whenever he needed to treat/heal others or do some of his demonstrations. Sounds kinda unhealthy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Application of qi requires a conscious effort. That means he needs to know he has to use it. If he fainted and lost his consciousness then all the qi he had didn't matter.
            Also most of the feats in MoJ are at best exaggerations

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They talked about it on DaoBums, why don't you look there? He was in his 80s. People at that age or older, when they fall it can be fatal, doesn't matter what his background was. He fell and hit his head apparently.

            Look, I don't know what to tell you, these practices, not MoPai, I never got into that, are why I was able to quit a 2.5+ pack a day tobacco habit cold turkey with no relapses, almost 17 years ago. There's nothing Western, whether in medicine or psychology, that would have done that for me. So say what you will, I'm always going to keep the open mind for these things because that saved my life and you and "God" did not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sounds kinda unhealthy.
            yeah it was already mentioned how doing those things literally burns jing
            its something one should reserve for his family and close friends, honestly
            but of course only if they are willing to stop that which engendered the affliction to begin with, if applicable

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No the bleeding of the John's master was a message. John's master choose a specific day and hours then died at that moment, he deliberately choose to die.

            > At 06:00 am John's master sat on a chair.
            > At 07:00 am he bleed from 7 orifices.

            Application of qi requires a conscious effort. That means he needs to know he has to use it. If he fainted and lost his consciousness then all the qi he had didn't matter.
            Also most of the feats in MoJ are at best exaggerations

            Were the intent go, the chi go too.

            >Sounds kinda unhealthy.
            yeah it was already mentioned how doing those things literally burns jing
            its something one should reserve for his family and close friends, honestly
            but of course only if they are willing to stop that which engendered the affliction to begin with, if applicable

            I think the Jing is burned because you use too much, practicing breathing allow to have more energy by accumulation of external energy from nature but if you use too much indeed your inner life force or Jing will deplete and you'll die.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No yang came from Shem cultivate through Zuowang (72).

            Using internal energy for healing is mostly dangerous even master can't do more than 2 patient a day after they are tired for 3 days, the secret is to use external energy coming from Shem. But to achieve 72 is literally Buddha stage, when you do their is an energy like electric fire that is poured into you it's usually called Manna or External Life Force from Heaven, this is the Yang that John Chang used.

            Jing come from kidney it's the water element maybe if you don't use the 5 elements method your kidney will end up dying.

            The basic would be to build a Yin energy through the 5 elements then bring Yang from spiritual realm or Shem through the 72 meditation. (This is Christianity part, the 72 lead the righteous one to heaven or Buddha/Christ stage)

            Do you recall where you learned that?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how do you turn earth energy into metal energy?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ask the Chinese. The systems don’t seem logical to me, but it probably seemed logical to someone 500 years ago. Similarly with Qi, there’s rules and ideas you must follow, and that’s enough to placate their subconscious into developing a harmonious experience.

            I see qi as a type of delusion, or self-hypnosis, that one has to enter when interacting with an external energy. Much like a lie, too much or too little detail will derail it, but if you force yourself to believe it and then do the exercises every day (?!?!?) then you can “cope” with the unnecessary extra burden.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you must first realize that the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon
            and before you say that's cryptic, consider akshual body analogues to these concepts that are real but undetectable before you refine yourself enough to tell the difference.
            I'll give you an analogy
            you are doing an audio mix with a whole bunch of microphones in a room recording various instruments
            some of these mics arent really picking up what they are intended to pick up well and are getting way too much bleed over to other tracks, making isolating instruments for fine tune EQing, compression and such a much more difficult task.
            this audio noise contributes to what is called a Noise Floor
            you have some desired instruments popping above the noise floor, but the high level of the noise floor makes doing a good polish job difficult if not impossible, and not only that some of the instruments or notes are getting buried beneath this noise floor and are difficult to hear at all, i.e. Newsted's bass on AJFA.
            the solution is to identify which mics are the noisy ones, change mic strategies, eliminate some altogether - and now what you've done is lower your noise floor and things that were difficult to hear previously are now crystal clear
            it is like this with cultivating the body. there's a lot of noise you dont realize is going on, and in order to correctly identify certain signals, a requirement is to lower the noise floor and then enhance the desired signals via this refinement process. to really make this analogy better, you've never seen any instruments at all before and cant see the room that all the instruments are in or the mic placements until you...
            ...open the door to the studio and walk through it and do the necessary work

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the innate is foreign
            you'll never get anywhere with that frame of mind
            the post you were replying to is correct, nta

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But no one can explain or prove it, they just repeat what they've been told.

            Get nowhere? QiGong practitioners get nowhere. Where's the immortals? No one has seen any. You do repetitive motions every day, but doing any health-based practice daily would yield positive results.

            If you can prove Qi is innate and not foreign then go ahead. I don't subscribe to your dogma, I need proof. Not airy fairy arrogance or "it just is!".

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I need proof.
            then you need to experience it firsthand from someone who can express it, because no words are going to convince you

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I said my experiences with it; it feels extraneous and not innate.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well then, if you're not going to cultivate properly enough to verify these results for yourself, I guess you're up shits creek and wont ever get there. there's no other helping you to have a correct view.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your attitude does nothing to prove the legitimacy of Qi, rather, it highlights a blind spot in your knowledge and capability.

            inb4 but I cultivated enough to feel chi
            you dont want to do things properly and you complain
            there's really nothing for you to add here

            See above. It speaks to a lack of knowledge and experience on your part. You seem like a seething teenager.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your attitude does nothing to disprove the legitimacy of Qi, rather, it highlights a blind spot in your knowledge and capability.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            inb4 but I cultivated enough to feel chi
            you dont want to do things properly and you complain
            there's really nothing for you to add here

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you recall where you learned that?

            compared to the archive like 20+ posts have disappeared from this thread
            jannies nuking good information and leaving up garbage

            Did you read the entire thread before you made your post? If so, did you notice posts missing from the archive thread?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you recall where you learned that?
            From experience. I dabbled with Magick, Hypnosis, NLP and RV in my twenties. Discovered Qi in my 30s, only after having learnt a lot of other esoteric practices.

            Qi practice bears a lot of resemblance to mass delusion and placebo. Sensations of "electricity" aren't unique to Qi, some people report such feelings when they remote view, and tactile, physical changes occur when performing rituals too.

            My experiences both lend credence to and remove legitimacy from what I perceive as Qi and QiGong. The trouble is seeing where Qi ends and where hypnotism begins. It would require vigorous testing, double-blinds etc to determine that.

            Ultimately what I know is powerful is the teacher-student dynamic. The master-slave dynamic. The hypnotist-hypnotised dynamic. Consider this when you ponder why information is gatekept and mentors so heavily recommended; It's a powerplay.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The trouble is seeing where Qi ends and where hypnotism begins.
            Explain people shooting electricity from their fingers or setting thing on fire using hypnotism. No offense but that's one of the most moronic theories about it I have ever heard

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Explain people shooting electricity from their fingers or setting thing on fire using hypnotism. No offense but that's one of the most moronic theories about it I have ever heard

            Wanna know the irony? That's exactly what hypnotism can do if you convince a subconscious of it enough. Preternatural powers exist outside of Qi. You need to calm your ass down before you start calling things you're unfamiliar with moronic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The irony is that every other made up system out there claims their stuff can do just as good yet at this point in time these chinese masters are the only ones you can visit to demo their powers for you. You say this yet you don't show a single guy that can do that via hypnosis, magick or whatever else larp you claim.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol. Lmao.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also your continued deference to John Chang and his "electric fingers" shows me you're not in the right headspace for this.

            Those videos of Chang are some of the best and worst things to happen for the QiGong community.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if it's a mass delusion then how does this man do anything he does in the video? Maybe just accept that not every /x/ practice is connected like some schizophrenic, yeah?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ugh. See

            Also your continued deference to John Chang and his "electric fingers" shows me you're not in the right headspace for this.

            Those videos of Chang are some of the best and worst things to happen for the QiGong community.

            That's exactly what mass delusion can do. It would appear you're the schizophrenic. And ignorant. And of low comprehension.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's a lot of tards living kick ass lives

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    QiGong is about energizing your Mitochondrion with Negative Air Ion through breathing exercise. To achieve best result go into the wild or any large forest without man activity near by and breath.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Negative Air Ion
      can you expand on this please?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Negative Air Ion
        came into blood trough lungs from Air, then they are used as Metal platting inside the body, this is why Metal Element is associated with Lungs in the 5 elements practice.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the book The Magus of Java: Authentic Teaching of a True Taoist Immortal, they describe a showdown between two masters of ki techniques, and the way it's described, I believe the antagonist or the villain of the story was using a combination of chigong and berserker techniques to maximize his martial arts abilities.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >thinks paying attention is a superpower
    sheesh boy do you ever have trouble with reading something and not spitting something rather different out as you try to comprehend what you just read

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'm gonna source this website that I never heard of until I just searched it up. https://whitetigerqigong.com/qigong-chakras/

    And this quote
    When the chakras are in balance, they will perform at the highest frequency and attract positivity and growth into the individual’s life.
    They improve the body’s movement and continuously revitalize the body’s energy channels.
    They propel and support the body and mind to achieve their highest potential.
    Balanced and clear chakras provide the mind and body with a sense of direction and purpose.
    Qigong chakras when activated would encourage flexibility, improve moods, lower anxiety, and stress, and improve focus.

    - So which part of my process is harmful to 50 lifetimes of spirit body? Could you be more specific?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this sounds like new age bullshit. there are no chakras in the TCM system. There are meridians and acupoints. Chakras come from ayurveda or some other indian tradition

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t know where to ask this. Whenever I spend some time moving energy through my body (robert bruce energy ways, or the techniques from the visceral experience, etc) the next day I have this weird numb pain, almost like burning. I thought this was wuxia bullshit, but could it be from the energy moving? How do I avoid this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds exactly like a deviation or a blockage. Depends on the type on how to cleanse it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m a TCM practitioner actually, and I know I have a tendency to spleen and blood deficiency, very weak kidney yin, as well as stagnant liver qi. Pain happens mostly along the stomach meridian and the lumbar area.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, the legs, mostly. Inner calves, too, so it could be any of the meridians there really.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m a TCM practitioner actually, and I know I have a tendency to spleen and blood deficiency, very weak kidney yin, as well as stagnant liver qi. Pain happens mostly along the stomach meridian and the lumbar area.

            Checked.
            Have a (you) for visibility.
            Are you doing Semen Retention by any chance? I ask just out of curiosity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I try to avoid abusing my jing. I don’t always succeed.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Somewhat informed-ish speculation on my part, but could it be possible that your numb pain could be caused by frequent jing abuse?
            Just trying to spark thought process.
            Have you noticed any correlation vis a vis periods of retention and non-retention?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I don’t abuse it that much anymore. Years ago I fricked up my kidney yin and I know how that feels. This is different and I noticed it way earlier and after.

            That sounds exactly like a deviation or a blockage. Depends on the type on how to cleanse it.

            So, how do I fix it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't dare to make an evaluation through an imageboard without knowing you and your current psycho-physical background, would be too irresponsible on my part, given that also I'm not a qualified instructor but a mere practitioner.

            But if you can afford it: I'd recommend you to stop "moving energy around your body" and preferably also stop any other type of energy work you are doing right now.
            Which would be the first step on removing variables from your lifestyle, so it becomes easier for you to pinpoint the origin of your symptom more accurately.
            As well as preferably quitting the use of substances if any, or at least moderating them so they aren't a significant variable too much.
            Then after that, look for a more physical and less 'esoteric' way to fix the issue.
            And then after that, re-embark on one of your energy work practices only, and add more with caution and judiciously if you're planning to.
            Also if you haven't yet, I guess it would be better to find a trusted instructor who could guide you in person, or at the very least an online course.
            Just an additional thought worth considering, but I guess you already know: Just as excessive accumulated energy can cause issues, also excessive jing depletion can cause them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No problem, and sorry I can't directly help you. I hope someone more experienced chimes in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spend some time moving energy through my body
      a meme someone made years ago,
      "If you do random qigong crap, you're gonna have a bad time"
      what were you doing, what you said is too vague to be of any specific use aside from telling you to not do random moving energy stuff, especially without learning to return the energy properly when you're done.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I appreciate the edgyness and the humor too and all, but this time yours is mixed with a bit of ignorance, for which I won't shit on you either.
    Truth is Semen Retention is a form of Daoist (and other traditions also) Energy Cultivation too, see?
    I ask because often blockages and deviations are common among retainers.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How to develop Equanimity?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >deliberately crushing and repressing your sexual function will only harm you
    It seems we are pretty much in agreement, then. But you are mistaken in that it's an alt-right mythos.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >crushing and repressing your sexual function
    What a moron you are. Poser. Dimwit.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Just as you would say "doing energy cultivation".
    Under your logic, even the words "practitioner", "practicing", "learning" are invalid.
    You're starting to sound more and more like an antagonistic shill.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >muh natzee strawman
    Nobody said anything about repressing anything except the voices in your head. You are brainwashed.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Confucious specifically laid out recommendations regarding the maximum times a week or a month a man should ejaculate, and this is a common guideline in chines medicine. Maybe read a book or two before opening your mouth.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drink tea it's good for you

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Relaxmaxx, it is called wuwei
    Power equals number of pairs of potentials, each pair being made of x and its negation ~x. Notice that x + ~x = 0, so power comes from reaching a clear mind state called zero or nothingness. In Taoism this power in the social form is called duh. Life is made of activity and non-activity states, if your activity state is weak it means your resting state is deprived. You want increase both quantity and quality of your laid down time. With experience you will be able to relaxmaxx in a sitting position, which is popularly known as meditation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Science and physics aren't 1:1 to the operations of "spiritual energies" and the such. Qi doesn't work like a standard, American DC/AC outlet plug.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Science and physics aren't 1:1 to the operations of "spiritual energies" and the such. Qi doesn't work like a standard, American DC/AC outlet plug.
        There do work that way tho. This is cope from delusional people and scammers. The manifestations of actual qi can be measured and the ""powers"" act exactly the way you would expect them to in a reproductible way, there is no randomness to it.
        It's nonsense like this that keeps these practices in the schizo territory and why people aren't progressing

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Proof, stupid homosexual????????????

          And the most important part of the post was the last sentence, which your stupid brain decided to ignore. Comparing Qi to physics with "potentials" and "power" and positive and negative is false. You can cultivate Qi that slightly works that way, but that doesn't mean it innately works that way - it merely means you've cultivated an energy that YOU respond to as if it works that way. Which is actually just self-hypnotism.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Comparing Qi to physics with "potentials" and "power" and positive and negative is false

            Every single qi manifestation is electric in nature. You can measure it with a voltmeter and an ampmeter. The only people saying what ytou're saying are people who daydream about qi and mistake those daydreams for actual qi.
            Think about it, your body is a biomechanichal machine designed to transfer ions from one part of the body to another. The ancient people discovered how to transfer and gather these charges. But since they had no concept of electricity or positively and negatively charged ions, they called it qi. It's all there is to it.
            In the mean time, people with no internal development came up with all type of nonsense explanations to why they can't prove they have qi and why they're still super advanced tho. This is where all the esoterical 5th dimension qi ideas come from. It all cope of the highest order.
            >it merely means you've cultivated an energy that YOU respond to as if it works that way
            There aren't an infinite number of energies you can cultivate. The substrate that's used for storage is the same for everybody and its capacity to store, transform and release energy is limited by it's own innate nature. This is again cope from people imagining stuff rather than actually having any internal development

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it isn't. In the video they try to measure with one instrument and it doesn't work, so they try a different instrument. He's not doing Qi work that everyone else does, it's a specific type he cultivates with members of his lineage - as I said, you can cultivate a type of qi, but that doesn't speak to the entirety of it.

            Didn't bother read the rest after I saw the John Chang vid and read like two sentences of your post. Cope.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >n the video they try to measure with one instrument and it doesn't work
            It does work tho, they get a reading from an ampmeter. In the book it also says when measured it has amperage but very little or no voltage.

            >t's a specific type he cultivates with members of his lineage
            this is also a great type of cope
            >no we don't have electric qi cause we don't practice electric qigong.
            >no we don't have fire qi cause we don't practice fire qigong
            repeat ad infinitum
            Qi that is usable by the human body is a direct transubstantiation of jing. Any type of qigong is by definition the process of transforming jing to qi.
            As long as everyone has the same jing then the resulting qi should be exactly the same for everybody. If you crack an egg you don't sometimes get an omelet and sometimes an apple. The reason why it isn't because Chang is doing something special, is because everyone else is doing nonsense due to poor understanding and bad teachings and then coping as to why the have no progress at all to show for

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sorry bub you think you know more than you really do
            you're not entirely incorrect, but there's also a bunch of assumption you've baked in there

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah lol, I'm 100% sure I know more than probably 99.9% of people. Not just in this schizo shithole, but in general. Not only I've lived in Asia for more than a decade at this point, I've personally known people who met Chang and have personally met several people with Changs ""powers"". You people can believe what you want, but you're wrong. And the more you cling to these false beliefs the longer it will take for the real stuff to get to the mainstream and implicitly to you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is a manic-depressive type. The compulsive liar. The deluded grifter.

            Nobody believes you FYI. Everyone can see you're a liar.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok then lol. You guys keep cultivating that 5th dimensional qi that only you can feel and that is different for everybody else despite technically using the same cauldron (your human body, unless some of you are aliens with a different physiognomy) and the same general methods(breathing,concentration, relaxation).
            I'm sure you guys see no issue with the fact that the same work produces vastly different results in people, of course because qi is magical. Keep doing what you're doing, you'll certainly make great progress

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this is like saying man has only 2 arms and 2 legs so there's only one way that he can fight, and apparently its every way to fight that's been invented, but we're not going to differentiate that all of these styles came from different trainings
            simply because we can say one who is advanced enough can fight in all of those ways

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            False equivalency. The ways in which your arms and legs can move and the way they move(by using the enegy you get from food and oxygen) is the same. The way those movements are used vary by what you do but you have a limited range of movements available.
            Same goes for qi. Qi is qi but some use it for martial arts, some use it for tcm, some use it for ascension, etc. But the qi that's at the base of those is supposed to be the same

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nooooooo you have to spend money buying my healing Qi gong and martial Qi gong because the Qi is different

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tedious semantics games

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are not the same. Many people cannot lock their knees, for example. There is a great range of what the human body can actually be, and the choices you make have an impact on how your body will change in the future. Rather, you have fallen too deeply into seeing what is the same.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you'd best listen to how he speaks of jing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not everyone has the same Jing. Some people have more innate, workable Qi than others. Some Qi isn't necessarily sublimated Jing, Jing is just one source of Qi.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Jing is just one source of Qi.
            like I said, you'd do well to understand his words on jing
            jing is what produces chi

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the form that siddhis take depends on the cultivations undertaken
            I've met a bunch of different cultivated individuals and every single one was qualitatively different because they all did different shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      relaxing is but the beginning

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >so power comes from reaching a clear mind state called zero or nothingness
      ohm's law is the only place your post is useful

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Relaxmaxx, it is called wuwei
      Relaxing and wu wei aren't the same thing. Wu wei means "path of least resistance", it has nothing to do with relaxingm especially when we talk about qi cultivation. This is nonsense that people with incomplete knowledge in one doctrine filled from other doctrines(buddhism, most likely).
      The way your body generates energy(besides eating and breathing) is through cycles of contraction/relaxation. The most evident example of this is shivering when you're cold. I have said this before but it's hard to get past peoples cemented wrong beliefs: Relaxations is antithetic to qi cultivation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Relaxations is antithetic to qi cultivation.
        well now you've gone overboard the other way, because in order to make r in ohm's law as low as possible, relaxation is absolutely necessary
        this is why sit straight and lotus, because its the most stable configuration that allows for the most relaxation
        this is an efficiency game
        but at least you understand wu wei

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lotus, because its the most stable configuration that allows for the most relaxation
          this is again something that is taken from other doctrines. You don't need lotus at all for qi cultivation and when you do lotus it has a very specific reason that has nothing to do with relaxation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            did I say lotus was needed for chi cultivation?
            you need to read more thoroughly and not craft arguments to rail against
            yourlogicalfallacyis.com

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's an idiot. He heard "resistance" and thought "durrr I heard about this in my 5th grade science class therefore it same!". He's now talking about Ohm's Law after I specifically told him Qi doesn't work 1:1 with what you learnt about physics or electricity. I hate these "know a little but act like you know a lot" types. Truly irritating.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >laffs in physical violence

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're talking to a troll, guys, he's lowering your mental state, so you can be harvested.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the Earth itself have Chi?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I personally believe it does, yes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So the Earth converts it’s Jing into Chi too?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a lot of natural processes going on all the time, so yeah.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and then into earth shen

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and that of the sun
          and that of the galaxy core
          these things ultimately feed energy down into places like earth that feed the energy into life and sentient beings

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Which one

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like, I don't know bro, like, just read any book, like, Harry Potter or whatever.

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    走火入魔 is usually translated as “qigong deviation”. This is idiotic. Look at the meanings of the individual characters in a dictionary, and the components of the last hanzi. If you’ve been around practicing magicians for a while, you will recognize the phenomenon it refers to.
    These practices are so perverted at this point, it’s not even funny. Just look at the state of yoga, and imagine hundreds of cycles of it being exported to other cultures, imported back in, misunderstood, obfuscated, and wrongly transmitted. What a horrifying state of affairs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now that I think about it, most people who talk about “cultivation” are suffering from zhouhuorumo heavily. I almost don’t dare say it. Fallen prey to Choronzon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      varma kalai

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let me tell you about the three treasures. Imagine you wish to evoke a feeling of happiness, but you are so beat down (your qi is weak or blocked) you simply can’t arise that feeling. Instead, you force a smile on your face, and pretend to smile for a minute. Your body starts secreting endorphins and you start feeling a little bit happier. You moved your qi. Would you be able to do that if you didn’t had jing in your body?
    Qi needs a place to support itself, otherwise it flows and dissipates. Dead people cannot control their qi willfully because they don’t have bodies. Immortals don’t need a body because they have their perfected shen. Shen is profound self-awareness, the inner divine spark. Lucidity in the dream of existence.
    Now you understand why you need jing to support your qi and qi to cultivate shen?
    Every magical tradition and every mystical philosophy throughout history has had a way to do this. You need only look at them to find the common thread. Pick the one you like the most to begin with and start. There is no higher goal in life.

    And don’t argue with people online. What a waste.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When a person dies and haunts the living, the environment becomes its jing, and the people he haunts become its qi.
    Shen is the god within, the creator. The God in Man of Neville Goddard. Jesus. Functionally, at least. Through it, you will not die. Without it, “you” will certainly “die”, and your qi will return to the natural flow just as your physical body returned to the Earth, broken in millions of pieces.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    initiate Mongolian throat singing and then light a twig on fire with your mind

    if you haven't gotten that far, can you even expect to say you're ready to reach the mastery level?

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fedback behavior increasing selfold after using chengholez. Double time of usage plus range sumup.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Endoubled sumup timer. Average whipjockey eating cuckwheats and praying homalone shitsesions existing.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Schizoidberg

    Qi gong is usually taught in parks and community centers rather than a "dojo." It's mostly just yoga lite and virtually indistinguishable from modern Tai chi.

    There's about a million books and videos on it and they're all way more complicated than they need to be.

    Stop trying to be a master and you might one day become a master.

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mostly just yoga
    >Stop trying to be a master and you might one day become a master.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very good thread overall, saved some bits and learned of different perspectives. Interdasting.

    I don't get the hate for self-hypnosis, sorry too lazy to post trips. My whole journey started with discovering self-hypnosis when I was in my early 20s, now in my 30s. I very much remember those days and could see the value and results of doing this kind of "mental work". Back then I was also writing in my journal with much detail so the proof of it working seemed objective enough. Sometimes you have to work on your mind not just spirit and body.
    What made me comment was a guy who said that he uses qigong and self-hypnosis together. I like this. Keep it up brother, you have clearly found what works for you.

    I haven't been doing self-hypnosis for years but still writing my journals (mostly using them as a productivity/accountability diary) and I can say with honesty that I need it. I personally see self-hypno as self-brainwashing yourself, being in control/forcing the mind to your will. Procrastinators/ADHD fellas/distraction copium enjoyers, will get what I am saying here. Today will be my first practice in years.
    Has anyone tried hypnotherapy? I have been wanting to try it out to gain a new perspective, but only after I am used to self-hypnosis again.

    When it comes to Qigong, personally, I have only been integrating it as a part of my breath work. Once a week, only simple movements, and relax, focus on the breath and the "feeling". To me, it is as valuable of a tool as yogic pranayama breath work or simple diaphragmatic breathing. I just breathe, relax, and observe. I don't focus on "cultivating" cuz that's gonna happen or not happen regardless. I do like Taoist embryonic breathing however I feel like I should find a master irl to do it properly.

    cap:0XHJ

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you guys think about spontaneous qigong? Any theories on why it happens?

    I've been meditating for some months now. Once I let my arms hanging loose and they started moving on their own. The movements were not random, they seemed weirdly deliberate.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, I feel a very strong magnetic feeling. I can run some kind of electric current through my body at will, but in this case is something like attraction and repulsion and it's automatic. I'm not doing anything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, I feel a very strong magnetic feeling. I can run some kind of electric current through my body at will, but in this case is something like attraction and repulsion and it's automatic. I'm not doing anything.

      ling based practices are the sort of thing where you just do them and let whatever results come out, you're not quite in the driver's seat for those
      the spontaneous movement should quiet down as the refinements from the practice are uptaken by the body
      make sure you get your stillness in afterward

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        >get your stillness in afterward
        >not enough silence to redistribute correctly

        Not sure if I got this. I should meditate quietly? No mantras, no visualizations, no energy work? Or should I just not overdo this arm thing?

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason the people who know about this refuse to engage is because the people are unwilling or unable to accept fault, to admit what they know is wrong, what they think is wrong.
    There is no benefit in teaching when there is no desire to learn.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've made multiple posts in the past eager to learn, and was shunned away. It seems those with the knowledge look for any excuse to not share, actually.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I wanna skip the basics
        like the other anon said, if you dont prepare the foundational work properly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You might be crazy, because what you just greentexted was not said, nor implied, by anything I said.

          >Inb4 you justify yourself with more delusions and assumptions

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried not being a whiny homosexual? There's a reason nobody wants to teach YOU specifically.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And yet there's multiple posters here acknowledging how anally you behave in every thread.

          Go figure, you fricking homosexual.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Take your meds c**t, I'm not who you think I am

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Aww it took you so many hours to think up such a weakly deflective comment. You're the homosexual who said "reee no one wants to teach you". You're exactly the person I'm replying to.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Aww it took you so many hours to think up such a weakly deflective comment. You're the homosexual who said "reee no one wants to teach you". You're exactly the person I'm replying to.

            >my dick is bigger
            >no my dick is bigger
            Get a room.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've made multiple posts in the past eager to learn, and was shunned away. It seems those with the knowledge look for any excuse to not share, actually.

      [...]
      >my dick is bigger
      >no my dick is bigger
      Get a room.

      Lineage is taken seriously in the East in a way that Westerners do not understand.

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Like I said, I'm not *doing* anything. It's happening on its own. My meditation is basically repeating Om Namah Shivaya or Hamsa for 1h daily.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >im not doing anything
      >just repeating this mantra over and over
      >but that's not doing anything
      are you sure about that, doesnt sound like it

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I sit for an hour daily, chanting the mantras mentally, and try to keep awareness for the rest of the day. I feel much calmer, contented, and sometimes even blissful since I started this practice. I tried some energy work from Robert Bruce's book, but I do them sparingly. Before sleep I do some dream yoga visualizations (from Tenzin Wangyal's book). I also declare deep gratitude daily and I wish love for all beings. For myself, I ask that I may be blessed with the knowledge of my real nature. I've been doing this for 10 months or so.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Mantra are positive affirmation or self-hypnosis that you keep repeating yourself until your subconscious mind respond.

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Master the wuji posture, the breathing work and locating the lower dan tian. I think that's the base of what you can realistically do without a master if you're extremely careful and attentive by yourself. You can continue working with qi rotations and all that, but it's so easy to frick it up and mess up the flow by doing something slightly wrong and creating stagnation over time, this is why they always tell you to seek a real master.

    Do i believe it is possible to reach the point of external qi projection without a master? Yes. Do i believe it is way more probably you end up with a bunch of diseases before you reach that point if you don't have a master? Yes.

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is asian occultism so lame?
    It's always stuff like ''you've got to be calm under pressure, bro'' or ''yeah, well, you can't have everything in life, so you better accept the way things are and just live your life, man''
    Asians are fricking lame, dude. If I wanted to be some type of homosexual I'd just tell people I was gay instead of this copium.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At least they're not throwing physical fecal matter everywhere

  63. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ie a particular quality translation

  64. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ironic seeing as the goal should be immortality

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Qi is really simple. It's theory, operation and related theology can all be explained on one A4 sheet of paper, with enough information to benefit a lifetime. A 2-sided A4 at most.

    This is the truth they don't want you to know. I don't understand why everyone acts like it's a super mystical art with tonnes of nuance. As the kids would say, "don't believe the hype".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s just bending spacetime, broh. See? It’s super easy, I don’t know why people say it’s hard.
      Pen go through paper. See?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I get it. I see now. So when you can push a pen through paper you have mastered the QiGongFuShiatsuFengShui. I get it. I understand.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What can I do to instantly improve my life and wellbeing?
    Please present your life and wellbeing to me, and I will show you how to improve them instantly.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://m.youtube.com/@HaiYangChannel

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    compared to the archive like 20+ posts have disappeared from this thread
    jannies nuking good information and leaving up garbage

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did anyone happen to catch those few posts that mentioned where qi comes from? Perhaps something along the lines of starting in the Sun and making its way towards the Earth. There were maybe 3 or more posts. Each one might've been near the character limit. I can't recall if they had images. They seemed to have been deleted here and in the archive. On another note, is anyone interested in continuing the conversation in a new thread once this one stops bumping?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Did anyone happen to catch those few posts that mentioned where qi comes from?
      I might've found it. Feel free to disregard this question.

      Yang came from space through stars invisible radiant ray or electromagnetism perceived by the Pineal Gland, Yin come from Earth through Ion and Magnetic field. When you achieve Tao or perfect balance or harmony, Yin and Yang become one : Pure electromagnetic force that came from the Creation (Stars, Earth, sentient being, plants, minerals) , QiGong let you somehow control the circulation of that energy. That energy cleanse your body and heal you faster. But to achieve that harmony there is only one path, the right path : one mindset : Balance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yang from the air, yin from the earth. Don't bother making another thread because everyone just larps, post blatant lies, or brings up irrelevant stuff like hypnosis

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yang from the air, yin from the earth
        Was that your post?
        >everyone just larps, post blatant lies, or brings up irrelevant stuff like hypnosis
        Might you happen to have a Pastebin of qigong resources you've consulted over the years?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Was that your post?
          No, but what I said is the basic information about where it comes from. It comes from the taiji/supreme ultimate. Just read actual chinese philosophy if you want to know the theory.

          >Might you happen to have a Pastebin of qigong resources you've consulted over the years?
          I haven't been involved in QiGong for that long, but I already used qi to physically burn something involuntarily. I just learned the basics from the Magus of Java to do it. You mainly just work with the lower dantien for years, but in order to do it properly you need a master/teacher so as to not hurt yourself.

          This is just one thing a master can do. You can look up other videos of this guy on youtube as well. Since other /x/ stuff doesn't reproduce results like Qigong my advice would just be to try to learn about it in person.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yang from the air, yin from the earth
        Was that your post?
        >everyone just larps, post blatant lies, or brings up irrelevant stuff like hypnosis
        Might you happen to have a Pastebin of qigong resources you've consulted over the years?

        Before the thread ends, what're you both trying to achieve? Zapping people with chi or something else?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Right now I just want to learn how to sense/feel qi and move it in my own body at will. I already know how to fill up the LDT

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Reach level 1
            >Start doing microcosmic orbit everyday like Jim McMillan
            >Profit

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How can you "fill up" the ldf without being able to feel qi and move it? I've been able to feel qi and move it at will for 3 years now and i haven't even located the exact center of my ldt. Mind you i don't train qi gong/nei gong so i'm far from consistent with it, but i still don't get how you'd pull that off.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I spent multiple hours daily for a few months meditating while putting awareness on the LDT. The qi eventually leaked out of my LDT, and burned a hole in a seat covering. I wasn't doing horse stance as recommended. I can easily just repeat it, but with the horse stance training in an effort to fully fill up the LDT. But this would just be a big risk seeing as what has already happened. I don't really care to get super advanced in this anymore anyways. I just want to be able to sense qi in myself and others while having a lot of qi to increase longevity and quality of life.

            https://i.imgur.com/GhgMS1D.png

            >what're you [...] trying to achieve?
            Nothing in particular. But I'm curious about the safety of qigong. Do you know if these posts (including the image) are accurate?
            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            Other than that, I'm looking for resources (articles, books, sites, etc) for learning qigong properly (even just from a knowledge standpoint and not necessarily to practice it).
            [...]
            >read actual Chinese philosophy if you want to know the theory
            Do you recall titles or authors?

            >Do you recall titles or authors?
            pic related talks about medical qigong, and classic philosophy a good amount. There's also the books by damo mitchell for neigong, which is a similar practice, and he outlines some theory there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How can you "fill up" the ldf without being able to feel qi and move it? I've been able to feel qi and move it at will for 3 years now and i haven't even located the exact center of my ldt. Mind you i don't train qi gong/nei gong so i'm far from consistent with it, but i still don't get how you'd pull that off.

            https://markdownpastebin.com/?id=c5226a86c7d042c193f7b06f0bafc251
            >A 3-volume short manual on qi cultivation

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            without getting still enough you never see what's under the surface of the water, for there are waves on top

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what're you [...] trying to achieve?
          Nothing in particular. But I'm curious about the safety of qigong. Do you know if these posts (including the image) are accurate?

          The argument for learning qi gong with a teacher is valid.

          Sit still and breathe for a lil while

          you will cause yourself harm without a teacher

          You can most certainly make it without a teacher, is it probable that you will develop diseases and die before achieving something like qi projection? Yes, but you still have chances if you're extremely careful. After all, many people have died refining the art, with and without masters.

          Other than that, I'm looking for resources (articles, books, sites, etc) for learning qigong properly (even just from a knowledge standpoint and not necessarily to practice it).

          >Was that your post?
          No, but what I said is the basic information about where it comes from. It comes from the taiji/supreme ultimate. Just read actual chinese philosophy if you want to know the theory.

          >Might you happen to have a Pastebin of qigong resources you've consulted over the years?
          I haven't been involved in QiGong for that long, but I already used qi to physically burn something involuntarily. I just learned the basics from the Magus of Java to do it. You mainly just work with the lower dantien for years, but in order to do it properly you need a master/teacher so as to not hurt yourself.

          This is just one thing a master can do. You can look up other videos of this guy on youtube as well. Since other /x/ stuff doesn't reproduce results like Qigong my advice would just be to try to learn about it in person.

          >read actual Chinese philosophy if you want to know the theory
          Do you recall titles or authors?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.springforestqigong.com/

            https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the shape of the universe is that of a torus
      the big bang is at the center where all the field lines line up and the average energy is above c and thus past the coefficient of friction
      this means the big bang is perpetual, an instantaneous one only makes sense from a point perspective traveling along, but without the understanding of yin and yang and thusly has no explanation for what came before the big bang.
      the finer flows of the universal electromagnetic circuit become myriad as the 6 directions easily become 10,000
      the galaxy's core is fed by this circuit
      which in turn feeds the stars in the galaxy
      which in turn feed the planets
      yin and yang always resolving

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you recall where you learned that?

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For those who'd like to continue the discussion.

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  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I healed a lacerated tendon rather quickly by visualizing just like OP's pic, and working the light back and forth on the wound. This was after surgery, I am not saying I put it back together with chi just that my recovery was much shorter than average. The scar is barely noticeable as well.

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, for starters, you can understand that qigong literally means breath work and there are different forms of it found in many cultures. Farmer Burns taught methods of deep breathing very much like qigong. Pranayama is Hindi for qigong. Before the "no it's not!" arguments begin, I am not saying they are the same thing not identical.
    Here's a Christian version: as you do your deep breathing, focus on pushing your diaphragm down to the pit of your stomach, also known as the dantien. As you inhale, feel the Holy Spirit enter you with your breath, and circulating through your body, energizing and healing it, relaxing you, and take away any wicked thoughts or feelings, leaving you calm, at peace and ready to hear the word of God. Perfectly silent. Perfectly still. Perfectly listening. That is all.

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