Placebo effect limitations

At what point is The Placebo Effect incapable of being useful? Surely there must be a limit to how much the body can lie to itself before there is a point where reality sets in; Even though your brain is what allows you to perceive your reality in the first place. So the logic should be that if your willpower is strong enough you can shape reality however you want. (Like The infinite will power of the Creator)

For example if there is a predator staring you down looking for its next meal you will never be able to lie to yourself that it's not there. Your body will constantly send you signals that you're being stared at, because that is the nature of the reality in that situation.

You cannot convince yourself that the dirt you eat will be full of every single essential vitamin, mineral and full-protein almino-acids right?

But you can take a white pill and aslong as you're fully convinced it'll do something your body will somehow synthesize it and it'll heal you, right?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand the placebo effect, one thing makes it confusing. Have you ever taken acid with multiple people, but for one or maybe a few members of the group the acid just never kicks in? Why would that be? If the placebo effect is that prevalent surely if a whole group takes acid everybody should still end up high just because of the placebo effect? I've had drugs not work on me multiple times, surely the placebo effect should make drugs work every time?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You need to enjoy the trip before you start tripping

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have never not had acid work, I've seen it not work for other people. I've mainly had MDMA that didn't work. I just would have assumed, with the placebo effect apparently being so strong that that shouldn't happen, there should be no dud drugs, they should always work because the user believes they will.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ignoring any spiritual or supernatural elements, while rare, there are many medical reasons for a body to reject the effects of drugs, if it even tolerated and accepting it without simply passing it. Could be something impacting the metabolic diffuse of chemicals or something causing it to remained unprocessed while passing, like certain foods or exposure to other chemicals. Sometimes even other bodily responses, like to anxiety, can force it through the system faster than it can take effect. Now, with that being said, that leads even more credence to OP's confusion about the limitations and applications of Placebos, but I don't have much of an answer there beyond people probably have more direct control of their bodily functions than they realize, they just lack the ability to understand how to control these processes or the context of control in the greater scope of bodily function.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I do see where you're coming from, and it makes sense as to why it might not work for some people on a physical level. But I've seen people drink what they believe is alcohol and they act like they're wasted, they seem to think they are drunk, but they're sober. This especially seems to happen in environments where multiple people actually are under the influence of alcohol. So you'd think that if you had a group of people take acid together, even if one or two people got a bum tab, you would assume the environment could contribute to the placebo effect taking hold like it can with alcohol. This is one of the things I just don't understand about the placebo effect.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Alcohol has obvious physical effects, but what makes it mind altering is that it creates a context. The things you do in that context become easier to do in that context, so other people being drunk can bring out that side of you. beware that things you only do in a certain context, you have given those parts of yourself to that context. This is a difficult problem to manage because the more you associate things together, the easier it is to just start including them together by default. This is part of why recovering alcoholics are so miserable: Fun has become so closely associated with alcohol that it becomes a temptation when before it was not. Periods of sobriety and fasting are important to stop anything from going too far.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Weed cures cancer

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It really just alters your mood and stress levels and any benefit is a result of those changing. You can't cure diseases with it or anything, it's only mental changes that can have a mild physiological effect

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I saw an article about a women's cancer just miraculously healing in her coma. I'd have to dig it up

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the logic should be

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Placebo is base level manifestation. Its limitations are completly based on your ability to belive a thing. Eating a sugar pill ur told is medicine may make u feel better if you didnt understand placebo and didnt overthink things.

    Much like in a dream its easy to throw around a car until you suddenly become half lucid, remember ur in a dream and what a car is and feels like. Simply contemplating reality in a drem imposes reality unless you spend time fighting that.

    Which is why wizards are all insane before they crystalize a new internal narrative for reality. You have to dislodge your imposed mundane worldview with something else, which means working within a already well established framework or one of your own creation.

    Placebo never stops, its always happening because its just the common expression of the principles that guide all of these ideas.

    Say you love yourself and that you feel good anon. "Charge" water with good feelings and saftey and shit and drink it like medicine. Its time to develop the narrative that automatically writes itself in ur brain. Just as a dreamer creates the dream automaticallt as he lives it.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The placebo effect is actually just you choosing to actively heal yourself rather than sitting and waiting for it to happen. Most people have been so brainwashed into thinking modern medicine is their only hope that they have to get tricked into doing what they should have been doing all along.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice digits.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    some really thoughtful posts itt

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love the tictac.
    I don't care what it wants, tell the massive flying tictac I love it.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder what it would be like to gain conscious control over the mental aspects that regulate placebo effect and frequency bias 🙂

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    placebos can only be as effective as removing the mental barriers you've built up through your life experiences. you can't add in anything new or "increase" your abilities in any ways other than in ways you're theoretically already able to do if you weren't "standing in your own way". quotes because many of those mechanisms have good reason to be there and have developed resistance in the first place, but they end up doing harm in some way despite being developed to prevent harm from something else.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You cannot convince yourself that the dirt you eat will be full of every single essential vitamin, mineral and full-protein almino-acids right?
    There was a guy who had surgery done for his broken leg and recovered perfectly even though they had operated the wrong leg. And other similar stories - not sure how real these are and my source (only link I could find quickly) is dailymail which is full of fakery
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2558438/The-remarkable-power-PLACEBO-effect-Patients-FAKE-surgery-broken-recovered-just-documentary-reveals.html

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://medium.com/the-foundation-for-research-into-extraterrestrial/girl-cured-of-cancer-by-the-aliens-458e6a1b7e0e

      Did Aliens really heal her?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >At what point is The Placebo Effect incapable of being useful? Surely there must be a limit to how much the body can lie to itself before there is a point where reality sets in
    Yes. This is why you will die if you rely on homeopathy and other bullshit to treat something that will actually kill you.
    No parasite or bacterium is going to say "Yikes! This guy just took a placebo! I'd better get out of here!"
    Fun fact: Real medicine also has a placebo effect on top of its actual physical effect.
    So you can say "Sure, homeopathy is complete bullshit and outright fraud, but at least it has a placebo effect, so there's some value to it."
    But no, there's no value to it because real medicine has that same placebo effect.
    The absolute worst is when dumb c**ts use placebos on sick infants who have no concept of medicine and so cannot even benefit from the placebo effect.
    Almost every pharmacy in Australia sells homeopathic scam potions for infants with "dry cough" or "chesty cough".
    These are babies who may well be suffering and even dying from pertussis, influenza, Covid or pneumonia, and their dumb-c**t parents are giving them worthless water instead of taking them to see a doctor and get real treatment.
    The pharmacists absolutely know that homeopathy is a scam but they will happily sell it to the parents of sick infants because they make a lot of money off it. If the babies die, well, that's not the pharmacists' fault! The parents should have done their homework and not bought a fraudulent scam product sold to them by a pharmacist who they trusted!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So you can say "Sure, homeopathy is complete bullshit and outright fraud, but at least it has a placebo effect, so there's some value to it."
      >But no, there's no value to it because real medicine has that same placebo effect.
      You are measuring value wrong.

      The value comes from not having to eat chemicals which are harmful for your system.

      In Germany you get homeopathic pills from actual doctors since they really work and lowers the costs of healthcare.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No parasite or bacterium is going to say "Yikes! This guy just took a placebo! I'd better get out of here!"
      What about “ Max von Pettenkofer drank a suspension of cholera bacteria. And survived”
      But then again, it’s not really something we understand fully yet, since opposite can happen too
      https://www.iflscience.com/indian-politician-reportedly-airlifted-to-hospital-after-drinking-river-water-to-prove-its-safe-64575

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, when you think of something scary, your body reacts to it, right? Even though it’s not real, your body goes into hormone overdrive and changes in respond to a fake stimuli.
    Same thing in dreams. I don’t know about you, but I got in fights in dreams, and gut punches and ball kicks are god awful pain inducing.
    If my brain can produce hormones to mimics a localized pain in my balls, couldn’t it also produce hormones to induce muscle making, or neural rewriting?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      My brain produces literal sounds in my dreams, like when im sleeping in my room and its pitch dark and im closing my eyes im scared shitless because some fricking entity is opening my door and its loud as hell. Then they start trying to touch me or get near me, yeah that's scary as hell lol. Demons start talking to me using the fricking wind in my dreams

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Near sleep I get such amazing colorful perfect imaginations. Thing is, my imagination sucks in waking time.
        If we only able to break the code of the brain and harness these effects..

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          some of my dreams are real life scenarios, some of my dreams are deja vu dreams that have yet to happen and i only remember them once the situation takes place, some is just demons haunting me and chasing me, especially in my apartment. Generally i love dreaming though because i become aware of new information that i wouldn't get while being awake.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep dreams definitely can tell you about the future.
            My own mom told me a story, about how once in a dream she was told “tommorow on your way to school you will find a green bag, don’t open it, don’t touch it, it’s not meant for you”
            And lo and behold, next day on her way to school, she found a green bag. She didn’t touch it and just passed.
            On her way back, the bag was gone.
            Another one was how she dreamed about finding a baby snake and letting it go/fed it, and how the snake bite him/my dad when it became bigger.
            The next day after waking up, my dad found a baby snake in our yard, and he just wanted to let it go. But my mom told him to either kill it or remove it and throw in the wild.
            For me, I got weird info.
            Back in school, I had a bully that basically made fun of non stop and I never knew how to deal with him, until in a dream, I saw how I called him a name and it pissed him off real bad.
            Next day, I tried it, called him that name, and he became so mad that he never tried to mess with me again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think we are getting off topic. When I was younger I had a ton of future dreams. They seemed to have calmed down though. One time I dreamt that I was chilling in my sofa and some beautiful alien babe smiled and waved and appeared infront of me and then fast forward I start having deja vu that the same babe was gonna appear but she didnt. Aliens are fricking witn me fr

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not really off topic, Becuase we yet to understand the nature of placebo.
            Maybe brain problem solving power is way more than we can imagine, and it can fix issues in dreams easier than in waking moments, simply Becuase it has more control over it.

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