Pain Literally Isn't Real

the whole basis of morality is that pain is wrong to inflict on someone, but pain is only a product of one's pact with the demiurge (identification with form)

pain is nothing more or less than sensation like vibration on a video game controller, the only aspect which gives it it's unbearable quality is the subject's association with ego/the character, otherwise it is inconsequential. you choose whether or not to suffer.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where you at op? I can show you it's more than electrical signals.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pain isn't real
    under&ge ban

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Explain pic related then

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Low iq take, pain is a useful measure to see whether or not you should continue. its like your body telling you something is wrong. Sure to a certain extent ignoring it could be good, but it depends on what your aiming for

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so i'm mainly speaking to regarding demiurge vs. sophia. it's naive to paint the demiurge as the one who causes pain, because sophia is much worse, hers is the dissolution of the concept of pain, so either way, there's no escape from pain inevitably i think, except through conscious withdrawal from the ego.

      bear with me, contemplating the idea that we should blame the demiurge for a world of pain, because i think it could be the other way around. what if we agree to pain, in order to experience pleasure, but the concept itself is something which we attach to voluntarily

      everyone thinks i'm a freak whenever i post this, but they're just projecting, this is a legitimate unspoken and valid observation which nobody wants to address without getting emotional and attacking me for bringing it up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        idk why people can't just address the point without a personal attack. i have a good point here. if the demiurge is in charge of the physical world, than it is irresponsible to keep spreading around the idea that he is in charge of pain because he isn't just in charge of pain, if he is in charge of the illusory world, then he would be in charge of the idea of pain, which is a much scarier implication

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But is the letting go - dissolution - of pain, painful at all? Or is it just a prick of a finger? And to have less concepts or archetypes to juggle, better or worse?

        I see your point in blaming the self for accepting the reality of the demiurge, that's what dent-brain gnostic don't get. You only have your self to blame for the pain you experience here because you have accepted the current reality you are in as the end all be of all your current existence and have accepted the view that it is painful. And that dent brain gnostic that does that relinquishes his power to change the only thing he can change, himself and all things that go along with it. He has accepted that things cannot change and he can't make an impact on his slice of reality. Which is false.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But is the letting go - dissolution - of pain, painful at all? Or is it just a prick of a finger? And to have less concepts or archetypes to juggle, better or worse?
          that is exactly what i would like to know, i'm leaning toward the idea that it is probably just a prick of a finger. as far as the archetypes to juggle question goes, it probably is like going in and out of a sauna, you go in, it feels good, till it doesn't then you go out, and i think our souls oscillate between both states according to personal leisure.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I see your point in blaming the self for accepting the reality of the demiurge, that's what dent-brain gnostic don't get. You only have your self to blame for the pain you experience here because you have accepted the current reality you are in as the end all be of all your current existence and have accepted the view that it is painful. And that dent brain gnostic that does that relinquishes his power to change the only thing he can change, himself and all things that go along with it. He has accepted that things cannot change and he can't make an impact on his slice of reality. Which is false.

          yes

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the whole basis of morality is that pain is wrong to inflict on someone

    this is very presumptive, why do you believe this?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pain is your souls knowledge of contradiction.

    It's real but that doesn't mean you have to have it. It's like the statement 1+1=3 but in the language of the soul.
    All consciousness is pure meaning, and everyone readily knows the meaning of pain is something like "wrongness". The only reason it persists is because everyone is in denial about it.

    Like a child touching a hot stove and then believing "this is just the way life is" instead of learning from it. But that's happening at the level of our souls.
    Darkness is trying to essentially keep everyone's soul dumbed down and asleep.
    Sorry OP but this philosophy
    >you choose whether or not to suffer.
    is a deception. Because it implies that feelings have no actual meaning at all. Literally the most real thing in your existence and you believe it has no meaning.
    It makes your soul ignorant of itself. Do you honestly think if you teach your soul that you enjoy pain that you'll get less of it? It takes effort to twist yourself up that way and it will never stop being effort. Because it's contrary to the truth.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop posting you israelite

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny, this is a most enlightening response to the question posed by OP. Me thinks you're the israelite.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (OP)
      i agree with this. i don't believe you actually choose whether or not to suffer, i believe you can choose whether or not to continue to identify with that which is being destroyed, which is what causes the suffering (theoretically, i'm not gonna fking try it) in the first place.

      it is the same reason i won't put my hand on the stove to test my theory, because i know i will feel pain, but if pain is ever brought to me against my will, then (you choose whether or not to suffer) is exactly what i would want to tell myself, even if it is only a half truth

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *half truth, because i will feel pain, before i can recognize it enough to choose to transcend it. but once pain is transcended and it's illusory nature is revealed is the moment where it is shown to have never existed in the first place. so in a way it wouldn't be a "half truth"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *half truth, because i will feel pain, before i can recognize it enough to choose to transcend it. but once pain is transcended and it's illusory nature is revealed is the moment where it is shown to have never existed in the first place. so in a way it wouldn't be a "half truth"

        But that's not really what I was saying.

        See, I think everyone is missing an entire layer to this picture. There is the illusory layer (the material), then the consciousness layer, but also a 3rd layer which is what produces the conscious experience.
        Most spiritual people understand the first 2 but they are completely unaware of the 3rd.

        Consciousness is like logic in a higher mind, beyond your ego mind. Experiences are like words in the language of your soul. They have meaning, and are their own meaning.
        Think about this OP, why does no animal have to be taught what pain is? In fact, it seems like "evolution" in this world USES pain to teach. It's not the other way around, because pain has universal meaning. And the closest translation it has in English is probably something like "something's wrong".

        That idea sounds scary if you don't understand the 3rd layer of reality I was talking about. Because SO MANY spiritual people approach spirituality as if you're just a stick floating down a river and all you can do is learn to cope with whatever experience randomly comes your way.
        When you realize that you're not just floating helplessly, but actually are meant to steer then you realize that pain (also pleasure, and any other feelings) is like a compass. It tells your soul where to go and where not to go.

        Pain emanates from states of being that are in contradiction with themselves... Like our reality. Like being a "body" that craves things which the world also tells you are bad for you. That's a state of contradiction, and it leads to pain.
        It's not the pain itself you need to avoid, it's the state of being from which the pain arises that your soul needs to learn how to avoid.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When you realize that you're not just floating helplessly, but actually are meant to steer then you realize that pain (also pleasure, and any other feelings) is like a compass. It tells your soul where to go and where not to go.
          you're right

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've had this same idea before.

    Torture only has the terror element because you are attached to your body, bodily functions, limbs, organs, life. You are eventually your body whole, your identity and self is attached to the wholeness of your body and through torture, that attachment dissolves little by little, in painful ways. You are not only being brought closer to death, your whole self identity is being attacked brutally. Your self, as a living organism, is being threatened.
    If you're immortal and infinitely prone to changing your shape through infinite dismemberment and your organs are made infinitely obsolete by infinite disembowelment, then "torture" is practical useless.
    Might as well be thrown in a room full of good food, good drinks, hot women and video games. Over the span of 100000000000000000000 years, that will become your unbearable torture.
    If, for example, you are an amorphous gas capable of passing through matter and are infinite and immortal, no form of torture would ever affect you because your form and attachment is already loose enough.

    That's why I don't buy the idea of heaven and hell as separate infinite dimensions. My life might as well already happen in hell, what's the purpose of a lake of fire for a trijillion years? After such a long time, it will feel like a nice comfortable bath.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if we are really infinite consciousness, then we are like fluid, when the vessel breaks, the fluid remains, so pain, while it is real, is only unbearable in so much as we identify with that which is being dissolved, otherwise it is simply a passing sensation in the grand scheme of things. It's kind of the same idea as deadpool, if you never were losing anything, at a certain point you would become familiar with the sensation and it would appear neutral to you.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/f2Se0Wh.jpeg

        I've had this same idea before.

        Torture only has the terror element because you are attached to your body, bodily functions, limbs, organs, life. You are eventually your body whole, your identity and self is attached to the wholeness of your body and through torture, that attachment dissolves little by little, in painful ways. You are not only being brought closer to death, your whole self identity is being attacked brutally. Your self, as a living organism, is being threatened.
        If you're immortal and infinitely prone to changing your shape through infinite dismemberment and your organs are made infinitely obsolete by infinite disembowelment, then "torture" is practical useless.
        Might as well be thrown in a room full of good food, good drinks, hot women and video games. Over the span of 100000000000000000000 years, that will become your unbearable torture.
        If, for example, you are an amorphous gas capable of passing through matter and are infinite and immortal, no form of torture would ever affect you because your form and attachment is already loose enough.

        That's why I don't buy the idea of heaven and hell as separate infinite dimensions. My life might as well already happen in hell, what's the purpose of a lake of fire for a trijillion years? After such a long time, it will feel like a nice comfortable bath.

        i also think that it is possible to become an ascended master who carries consciousness and retains memory through multiple incarnations, if this is true, it is natural that any individuals who mastered pain, would feel no remorse inflicting it on others, because it's illusory nature would be obvious to them, so they would become natural villains, relating to our perceptions.

        for example: i believe it is possible that uber ascended masters reincarnate for this reason, kind of like how you or i go through an "evil" play through after we've already beaten the video game once.
        posting jimmy saville because he's evil af, but also strangely knowledgeable, and believed he had reincarnated many times before.

        I don't think you have to become evil, but mastering pain to the point where it becomes illusory would certainly explain the lack of remorse in these sorts of individuals

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me i kinda feel like you attract what you fear. Kinda hesitant to say this as i dont articulate it right but basically fear itself is your enemy watch hellraiser and the batman with bane. Qlso you know the new matrix movie neo is tortured qnd so is trinity

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so by the same logic suffering isnt real either. nice use of "demiurge" (you sound like youre trying too hard)

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're kind of half right. It is wrong to intentionality inflict pain, but being in the receiving end of pain isn't a bad thing, and shouldn't be seen as such.

    IE Suffering isn't a negative it just feels that way.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pain is bad

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stopped reading once you outed yourself as a gnostic. Nothing you can say has any value.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not a gnostic

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Define what you mean by real. Do you mean like mind independent? Do you mean a substance or essence? Processes? Something experienced etc

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