Meditation

What truly is meditation according to you anons?
Please speak from 100% experience and not from what you've heard/read.

For me meditation is a state in which you are so much aware that nothing really takes away your neutral awareness, not thoughts, not emotions, nothing.
And if you manage to not get absorbed by any of those things then your awareness gets placed on yourself and then a kind of healing starts, your breath becomes slower, your body relaxes, your mind becomes calm and then you can view reality in a more clear way.
That's the furthest I've been.

People say that meditation is a more general state of absorption in anything you do (like a sport or playing an instrument) and I could agree but only on terms that it that state of absorption things are happening on their own (even your own body movements) and you aren't really controlling/thinking about the situation.

Share your opinions if you wish.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Videos on Meditation and being present:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick off

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's about focusing on pure consciousness. And over time I went through 2 major stages.
    The 1st stage separates the narratives from the pure consciousness, you begin to really see everything as just consciousness while meditating (and it even carries over into daily life, like a kind of dissociation).
    The 2nd stage I think I'm just beginning to tap into but seems to be a realization that I (my true self) is also separate from the conscious experience.
    I still have to observe the consciousness in order to dissociate from it, which is kind of weird but makes sense too, I guess you have to see it before you can separate from it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very interesting.
      I've heard of people who say that they "focus on their awareness/consciousness".
      I can't say that I've ever done this, can you please describe how you do this? How it fees likes?

      You also speak about "separating the narratives from the pure consciousness", how it looks like/feels like when one does that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't say that I've ever done this, can you please describe how you do this? How it fees likes?
        Honestly it seems almost impossible to really explain it. And this may sound weird, but I kind of think that's the point.
        It feels like the very act of discovering what consciousness is IS the same act as transcending into a higher state of being. At least to some degree.

        I can tell you this though, don't get discouraged if it seems like trying to catch smoke at first. That just shows you how far we've fallen away from the truth. It's so weird that we're covered in conscious experiences 24/7 and yet cannot focus directly on it. We've been conditioned to see through it (i.e. we think our consciousness tells us about "things" and "events"), instead of seeing the pure consciousness itself which underlies it all.
        It kind of reminds me of that line from the Matrix movie, about never having used your eyes before (but not just eyes/vision but all conscious experiences, even sounds and bodily sensations).
        If you're having a hard time then try the "watch your breath" technique. That always helped me when I was first starting out.

        Also try this: Hold up your hands and "feel" them, the sensation of "having hands". Then try to imagine there are actually no hands there at all... All that's there is the feeling alone, nothing more.
        Do that with your entire body, it also works especially well with the face for some reason. Imagine you have no face, only the pure feeling is real.
        And do this with everything, sounds, smells, even thoughts (also vision, but vision is extra difficult to do at first for some reason, try to see an object and realize there is no object only the vision alone).

        >You also speak about "separating the narratives from the pure consciousness", how it looks like/feels like when one does that?
        When I really get deep into it it's like the beginning of a DMT trip. It literally feels like I'm falling backward through myself, like going down a tunnel.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you very much.
          I tried the methods you gave me last night and also this morning.
          Indeed it felt like I had no face, the only thing which existes was the feeling of my face and the idea that "a face exists" there.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >People say that meditation is a more general state of absorption in anything you do (like a sport or playing an instrument) and I could agree but only on terms that it that state of absorption things are happening on their own (even your own body movements) and you aren't really controlling/thinking about the situation.
    that's just the flow state

    Meditation is many things. What I've discovered on my own from practicing before reading seriously about it is that I can consciously see the physical world in black and white like an old cartoon while in the meditative state. The first time it happened was during a 3 hour session and I made it happen multiple times. I was able to control the duration and intensity, and had it last for 40 seconds at the longest.

    I can now repeat the effect after a mere 1-2 minutes of meditation. After reading on Chinese philosophy I've come to realize it's sort of powered by 'yin', and that the reason I can only make it happen outside is because I'm using yin energy. Yin is from the Earth, so to effectively gather it while meditating you need to be outside on the Earth.

    If you don't get powers from meditation then you're doing it wrong imo. I can also hold full lotus/zazen for ~15 minutes. Holding it for any longer requires either training from young childhood, or irreversibly damaging your knee joints.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What truly is meditation according to you anons?

    Seeing reality for what it truly is.
    And as far as I've been it seems like it's a big well set up show.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      In other words: Going furher from where you are currently in life.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont follow a specific teaching or buddhism. But for me at this moment it is a way to work towards/see anatta or non-self. Right now my objective with meditation is to break down identifications with roles, my environment, and the body. I try not to come in with any expectations just use my focus object and observe stuff arise and pass. Do nothing meditation has been an underrated technique but concentration is an important aspect. Right now Ive been meaning to take up more of a metta practice. For me meditation is just a tool I get an intuitive feeling that I will probably drop most of my practice once I reach enlightenment but who knows.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've tried to meditate earlier sometimes but for me, it is a meme. I can achieve much more interesting states using inebriating substances, in particulat weed.

    I mean think about it. If meditation was better, everyone would be just watching their breath and not obsessing about where to get more weed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >dude weed lmao
      Drugs don't help with enlightenment at all, period. Part of the benefit of meditation comes from mastering yourself, learning self-control of your own mind. To give it up to a substance you grow dependant on is to do the opposite: taking drugs enslaves you to the drugs and takes away your control over yourself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can enter "psychedelic" states through meditation but it takes time and practice.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used to be a huge weed smoker and also drank lots of alcohol, funny thing is that I've been meditating since forever (like since I was 17 and now I am 36) and I can assure you that you can indeed meditate while on drugs but they act as an obstacle.
      I'm not saying that drugs/alcohol are "bad" or that this obstacle they become is "bad" (maybe it's serving its purpose as an obstacle) but maybe you can choose to not have them in your life.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What truly is meditation according to you anons?

    A state of being in which you are the absolute observer of reality as reality truly is.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are consciousness/awareness and you become conscious of this when you meditate. Basically the goal of meditation is to become aware of your awareness.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    %3D

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    New to meditation so i still don't have a full grasp on it yet.

    For now i see it as a way to reflect and to face all the truths I've been subconsciously hiding. I accept these truths as they are while being compassionate to myself.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been doing a variant of neti neti meditation where you strip yourself of every physical and mental trait, but I keep running into a deadend when I reach pure awareness watching thoughts. If consciousness is above all then where the frick are these thoughts coming from? Are the thoughts coming from a higher source? How do I reconcile this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they are coming from your inner tendency to search for their source? Maybe this question of yours is the last obstacle before a state of pure awareness and nothing more?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but I keep running into a deadend when I reach pure awareness watching thoughts. If consciousness is above all then where the frick are these thoughts coming from?
      as I seem to be the only person engaging the public in modern history on this
      its lamentable that even some masters say you cant stop thoughts from arising
      but they are wrong, they simply didnt train properly to achieve that outcome
      think of random thoughts as a habit-energy with a specific outlet
      its more like a blowoff valve that releases pressure here and there
      this pressure is random thoughts arising
      this pressure arises because of how your body processes sense input
      the 250Hz subconscious to the 60Hz conscious
      this is why you restrain the senses
      if you're not fully aware and present, there are inefficiencies that contribute to this energy remainder that builds and forms random thoughts
      (even if you are, its gonna happen until you conquer this)
      (and even once you conquer it, if you fall out of training, then they come back)
      so, the way to tamp down the neurological potentials is to restrain the senses,
      limit the neural amplitude-firing that the sense nerves are firing into the midbrain
      the senses use up a lot of energy in this way
      but you never notice the extent because you're always using it
      take a bath and lay back in it, learn to breathe completely silently
      carry this tech over to seated meditation
      this is where you begin

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've read your technique before and I wanted to ask: What are some things/practices which you'd consider complementary to this basic meditation you are teaching? For example what can one do during walking in the forest in order to boost his meditative progress?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          breathwork is meditation 101 for basically any spiritual practice
          it establishes a good basis for yin and yang in the sense of
          the stronger sorts of practices that can be performed
          necessitate copious amounts of stillness afterward in order to not only have maximal benefit but also for safety
          raising potentials and then just going about your business without wrapping it up properly is harmful
          strong yang + strong yin = most potent results
          its important to put in the time so that an efficient process can be ingrained upon the medulla
          indeed it will carry forth during sleep when trained thoroughly enough
          but this goes back to the arising of thoughts in that it establishes the habit energy of paying attention
          after all the bodily processes are streamlined, the amplitude soars
          a great stillness emerges from this
          and from that deep stillness, a spark in the midbrain so brilliant it is a guarantee to drive away the state the first time or two
          and you have to learn to catch it, it lasts for as long as you stay focused and no thoughts arise
          when you can sit like this for multiple hours, its experienced as just one moment of the most wonderful energy bath ever
          all those other yang practices will shape the outcomes of practice, like what form siddhis will take
          each teacher Ive experienced has had their own qualitative factors to them
          aint none of em told me how to generate this spark as I have told you, though
          that came through my own sheer rote application of technique and exploring the logical conclusions thereof
          but as I said, the yang applications put down will shape the emergence of fruits

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >For example what can one do during walking in the forest in order to boost his meditative progress?
            enjoy the forest, the boosting comes from the boring stuff
            until you dont even experience boredom any longer

            I see, thank you very much.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            namaste fren
            humans are habitual creatures, the more thoroughly the habit is established, the more the processes can be relegated to the subconscious - but with all the additional rigor of proper execution - your body isnt necessarily going to do this most efficient breath process unless its trained. with proper highly efficient mechanics well ingrained by habit, the phenomena that arise do so with very solid regularity. if you can hit the stillness but arent putting in the time, then what's going to happen is that should the great stillness arise, should you have the great stillness arise enough times to make the spark of samahdi form, they will be infrequent. but at times in my practice where I put in the time and rigor, the spark arose every day like clockwork.
            most people's problem is they skip past this without getting good depth on it and it winds up meaning their later practices arent as solid as they should be because they ran from the fundamentals too soon without conquering them properly first, so I always encourage a proper beginning.
            where people go from there is their choice, but with the fundamentals well established, there's simply a greater chance of success in these endeavors, whatever they may be. the buddha said there's 84,000 methods of cultivation, or was it 85k, no matter, there's really quite the smorgasbord to pick from with methods that will build on the fundamentals I described.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            One last question mr olfactory anon: when doing the anapanasati you recommended: which part of my breathing route/apparatuses should I focus on? You talk about imaging a guy sitting in my belly and drawing my diaphragm down with each inhalation but I also catch myself having a tight chest and throat so maybe I should also focus on these?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            progressive relaxation exercises, my fren
            relax, relax, relax
            its something to return to often during practice as you're on your way to where you want to be
            breathwork is like riding a bike
            habit energy is like making it a downward slope so you can coast more

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you again, be well!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >For example what can one do during walking in the forest in order to boost his meditative progress?
          enjoy the forest, the boosting comes from the boring stuff
          until you dont even experience boredom any longer

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What truly is meditation according to you anons?
    It's a tool that can be used in different ways depending on your goals. There are many ways of meditation and many outcomes of what it can achieve, based on various systems

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Withdrawing the senses from the material and reaching out to transcendence

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Deep meditation to me is when I reach that trance like state, much like the flow state but you’ll know it’s different once you reach it. It’s honestly kind of scary going that deep, giving away that much control takes trust in yourself. It’s really hard to describe what it’s like

    I would also just randomly add this thing I used to do as a kid for the lols. Sit in your living room and look at some object that you know what it looks behind it, like a standing tv or some vase. Close your eyes and you should still be able to imagine the scene in front of you. Now move your “vision” over and look behind that object, you can see what it looks if you try. Now lift or move your vision to the side and you should be able to see yourself sitting there with your eyes closed. It’s just something silly you can try

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That "just something silly" thing you described is really advanced and I highly doubt that the average person can pull it off.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I consider myself pretty average, but I only recently learned that some people can’t really use their “imagination”.. so yeah

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >For me meditation is a state in which you are so much aware that nothing really takes away your neutral awareness, not thoughts, not emotions, nothing.
    that's exactly what it is, good job OP

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know but I don't get angy so easy when I meditate regularily. I'm not seeking any special states of mind while I meditate but do it for the effects it has on daily life.
    Am I doing it right?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meditation is like an altered state of mind to me, it helps me process those thoughts that run all day long until I find a silence and can just focus on my own body. I normally feel very relaxed afterward, its very nice but can take up to 10-30 minutes for me to get to a good meditative state.

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