Meditation

So I've been practicing meditation daily for these past 4 months and here is what I've realized:

- We are not our thoughts and we are not our emotions, this came as a shock to me since I'm a guy who was always fond of his thoughts, analyzations and always followed "my heart (emotions)", but from choosing to just be aware of all these things without "giving into" them made me realize that I am not them and that I can also be less controlled from them

- Staying focused can be done even without an object of focus, I can just "be attentive" and whatever pops up I can just see it and I immediately let it go away/not be absorbed by it into developing stories about it, I usually do this while working, walking, working out e.t.c., through this walking life meditation I've realized which kind of thoughts and emotions can have a strong pull on me

- In sitting meditation I usually pick muscles and body parts of mine as an object, I've realized that many muscles on my body are in a constant state of tension, especially my perineum, belly and throat. By focusing on them they start relaxing, I am not sure if I'm the one who actively does the relaxing or if the placement of awareness on them relaxes them, I think it's the 2nd one.

- By focusing on my muscles and my breathing apparatuses during sitting meditation for a long time I can enter a really "stable" and "silent" state in which my thinking mind kinda goes nuts and starts panicking, it starts producing thoughts that "I am losing my mind" and that "Things are not going well and I'm going crazy e.t.c." or that "I am ignoring important things about my life which require analyzation", my heartbeat may or may not increasing during this time and anxiety and fear comes in but I can choose to be the observer of them instead of giving into them, this is the farthest I've come during sitting meditation

So anons do you meditate daily? What are your experiences and beliefs about meditation?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Learning to meditate was the only self-help idea that ever had any positive outcome for me. Learning how your own brain and emotions work comes in handy in many ways. When you give people this advice they almost always dismiss it as new-agey crap. Or they try and let their mind run around with random thoughts like it always does and then give up. I highly recommend it for everyone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i found only jesus could save me
      exact same kind of people

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    O boy here I go plugging sam harris' shit again

    ?si=leonRJ-f6JbGsCTb&t=172
    >https://app.wakingup.com/scholarship

    I've tried a few different meditation apps, his is my favourite, mostly for the content, partly cause it's free.

    You sound like you're doin this already, but it's good to try and blur the line between formal meditation practice and the rest of you day to day life. It's great to have a set amount of time a day, and also great to try and bring about that same awareness/mindfulness while doing other shit too.

    Don't overthink shit, always be lettin go, etc etc. Don't get too wrapped up in pleasent sensations in meditation either. those will come and go, doesn't signify anything. Watch out for that spiritual ego. Meditation doesn't make us better or worse than anyone. glhf.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, and I always found the Three marks of existence Buddhism thingy to be clarifying. I'll give you my dumbed down thoughts on them:

      >Anicca
      Everything is impermanent, everything that has the nature to arise also has the nature to pass away. Pertinently, this applies to thoughts and emotions too. The anger felt last week isn't here today, for example.

      >Dukkha
      This is the big "life is suffering" one that everyone likes to shit on. But y'know, it's a translation, so really it's "Life is Dukkha". a better translation for Dukkha might be "unsatisfying".

      Life is Dukkha/unsatisfying because of Anicca.

      Nothing that brings you joy can last, even the joy itself cannot last. Even things we may enjoy greatly right now become boring to us eventually.

      >Anatta
      The biggie “no-self/selflessness/no-inherent-intrinsic-nature” one. Easiest way for me to understand it is the whole no thinker of thoughts thing. Taken further, you can say that there is “no-one” authoring thoughts, and “no-one” receiving them either. Even further, this also applies to emotions and even actions and decisions you make, so free-will gets a bit shafted here. Make of it what you will!

      I think a lot of the misunderstanding about the practise these days is that people think it’s about trying to block thoughts or stop thinking. It isn’t.
      Meditation, real meditation, is probably the most important thing I’ve ever learned how to do. Doubt I’ll learn anything that will change that opinion either.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ¿what kind of meditation did you practice?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      go back to mexico meditation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, just as I said I sit and I become aware of my muscles which relaxes them, then later I focus on my body parts which are responsible for breathing, thoughts and emotions come and they may take me away on daydreaming but I just become aware of what happened and I return to my body.

      Yeah you're on a good trajectory in general, just make sure you're not getting too invested in any of the insight and come back to the task itself. That's what they would call the beginner mind since it has unlimited possibility

      Thanks, I'll keep this in mind.

      That's very good OP, you've realized something that few realize.

      Now I have further advice for you to consider (from what I've observed in meditation), but you have to see it for yourself so for now it's just an idea. A seed, that maybe in time will grow.

      I think many people get stuck at the layer you've reached and they don't see what's beyond the emotions/thoughts. This is where you hear philosophies like "your emotions create reality, so if you want a good reality you have to force yourself to be happy all the time and learn to enjoy things you don't enjoy".
      From my view this is a trap, because there is a deeper layer. You can find the deeper layer when you ask: Where do the emotions/thoughts come from?

      Emotions/thoughts don't cause manifestation, they ARE manifestations. The way I see it everything you do is a manifestation from the state of your soul.
      I think it's a HUGE mistake to distort ones feelings (in fact I think those teachings are actual misinformation from dark entities), because feelings are an indicator of the place your soul is manifesting from. If your soul is in a dark place and negative emotions arise your soul is not going to move away from that dark place by pretending it's happy there.
      You move away from it by seeing it for the undesirable thing it is.

      Thank you.

      I'm still learning and probably always will be, my life has gone from misery to mystery. It just feels like a continual progression from ignorance to wisdom, but I also try to avoid developing a spiritual ego as well, as someone has already pointed out. I started with meditation as a means of stress reduction, my practice didn't really deepen significantly for many years for whatever reason, but I also wasn't engaging it consistently. Eventually after enough very stressful events, I was forced to fully engage meditation and self-reflection for long periods of time just to keep my sanity. There truly seems to be a thin line between psychosis and piercing understanding, they may even be the same thing on some level.

      Anyway, I started to see deeper and deeper into myself, and come to the same conclusions so many do when they spend enough time in hermitage, that we take a lot of our thinking and senses for granted, not realizing how much of our experience is made up of assumptions. Lately I'm just working more on orienting my mind toward a basic faith in life and a humility toward myself and a lack of judgment of others. I also have for a while questioned if there really is any sense of "free will" in the generally understood sense, but other people who I see as further along than me say this distinction is senseless eventually.

      So I don't know. I didn't really say what I intended to say but I think it captures my journey decently enough. There have been more shifts in perception and understanding than I can really enumerate, and these things I would consider supermundane, but when I use that word I don't mean it in its dictionary form. It's almost like in a mental way in how I relate to the world has changed drastically, but it's not like I woke up and started levitating, but when I compare to how I look at the world now vs how I used to it is like looking at two different realities.

      Best way I can put it all.

      I admire you, self reflecting is something I should start doing too, I know that I have things to discover inside of me, I should start journalling.

      >four months of meditation
      >here have a huge serving of my mental diarrhea
      Find a teacher, your practice is ineffective.

      Actually I used to meditate for years but I began again after 2 years of not doing it.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh and a possibly fakebuddha quote I'm fond of:

    All the Buddhist traditions converge in one understanding of what liberates the mind. It is summed up very succinctly in one teaching of the Buddha:

    >"Nothing whatsoever is to be clung to as 'I' Or 'mine.' Whoever has heard this has heard all the teachings. Whoever practices this has practiced all the teachings. Whoever realizes this has realized all the teachings."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >early welfare system encouraged its members to make themselves small and desire nothing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thats a cult tactic
        though im sure they look the same to you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      - did you heard this?
      - I heard.
      - you just failed
      - who said so?
      - I

      ending credits

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cute! language can still be useful even when it isn't completely accurate. Impossible to discuss such ideas without it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Two people can type out the exact same phrase and it will feel different to the observer based on how close to lucid truth the speaker is. You can tell when someone is speaking from the ego.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think I understand what you're getting at. But there's some onus on the behalf of the reader/listener too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also true, didn't think to add that. I guess in a sense the last sentence was a vague reference to that.

            I think the fact that communication becomes easier/more potent as one nears the core of their being is the interesting part here. Its because the closer to truth to within themselves, the deeper the realization of self-similarity between all entities. You start to be able to see how many layers an individual is wearing.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How to practice non-attachment witbout constraining yourself?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't be attached to the idea of being constrained. You give that form by virtue of breathing belief(life) into it.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah you're on a good trajectory in general, just make sure you're not getting too invested in any of the insight and come back to the task itself. That's what they would call the beginner mind since it has unlimited possibility

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok been meditating for 20 years and change. Used to be full schizo due to childhood abuse, but am 95 percent over it. I like to say were all stuck on repeat, our first impressions as a child we will keep repeating and refining unless you do something. Nothing inside you can hurt you unless you believe it can. I have faced down and fully experienced darker shit than you can imagine, but if I can do it fully it fricks off forever. I call it the meditation kill technique. Give in fully and embrace the darkness. Bonus it also works on sickness except the common cold, which is actually just the body adjusting to heat or cold.

    The big discovery came from learning symbolism from my subconscious. Turns out the entire body can be broken down into symbolism for every facet of existence and the human experience. As above so below your body symbolically expresses your unconscious issues. I could go into exhaustive detail on this, but figure the rest out yourself.

    Next big discovery. Started practicing psychokinesis in a specific room alot, didn't work until suddenly it worked every time but just in that room. Hmm. Later on I read a book about someone who happened to be my past life. Crazy intense visions I was there It seemed real. This left an imprint on the room it happened in and there was knocking on the walls after that. Ok so human energy can program locations and imprint or clear out energy and the biggest energy manifests. And then I did lots and lots of crazy shit with that. It's all about focus. Say you wanna frick with the weather, which was my first trick. Clear your mind and feel the clouds, the air give in and become it. Then bring out all the energy and set your intention. Then let it go. Keep doing this daily and shit will go down. That being said it requires mastery in focus and emotions, otherwise you will get eaten alive by demons and it won't work bc your energy will be impure. Once you have a real understanding you can manipulate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I could go into exhaustive detail on this
      Could you give some specifics? I've tried this with a chronic pain area in my body (suffering with it for many years) and nothing touches it. Any assistance would be appreciated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        search for Gerrard (Jerry) Epstein (not that one) books on Mental Imagery

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >used to be full schizo
      >used to be

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Started practicing psychokinesis
      >someone who happened to be my past life.

      Guess that's that remaining 5%, eh?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can i ask. question
    Had anybody here meditate into the void and if o was it easy
    Also Do you ever astral project whilst meitating?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's very good OP, you've realized something that few realize.

    Now I have further advice for you to consider (from what I've observed in meditation), but you have to see it for yourself so for now it's just an idea. A seed, that maybe in time will grow.

    I think many people get stuck at the layer you've reached and they don't see what's beyond the emotions/thoughts. This is where you hear philosophies like "your emotions create reality, so if you want a good reality you have to force yourself to be happy all the time and learn to enjoy things you don't enjoy".
    From my view this is a trap, because there is a deeper layer. You can find the deeper layer when you ask: Where do the emotions/thoughts come from?

    Emotions/thoughts don't cause manifestation, they ARE manifestations. The way I see it everything you do is a manifestation from the state of your soul.
    I think it's a HUGE mistake to distort ones feelings (in fact I think those teachings are actual misinformation from dark entities), because feelings are an indicator of the place your soul is manifesting from. If your soul is in a dark place and negative emotions arise your soul is not going to move away from that dark place by pretending it's happy there.
    You move away from it by seeing it for the undesirable thing it is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      by and large, being happy is a matter of having a well functioning endocrine system

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ive been at it for a couple of years and use as a way to re-program myself and to attracts physical things by generating excess energy throughout my body and then apply meaning to it with my thoughts.
    You could say I use my brain as a penn and the energies generated by the body as a paper.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still learning and probably always will be, my life has gone from misery to mystery. It just feels like a continual progression from ignorance to wisdom, but I also try to avoid developing a spiritual ego as well, as someone has already pointed out. I started with meditation as a means of stress reduction, my practice didn't really deepen significantly for many years for whatever reason, but I also wasn't engaging it consistently. Eventually after enough very stressful events, I was forced to fully engage meditation and self-reflection for long periods of time just to keep my sanity. There truly seems to be a thin line between psychosis and piercing understanding, they may even be the same thing on some level.

    Anyway, I started to see deeper and deeper into myself, and come to the same conclusions so many do when they spend enough time in hermitage, that we take a lot of our thinking and senses for granted, not realizing how much of our experience is made up of assumptions. Lately I'm just working more on orienting my mind toward a basic faith in life and a humility toward myself and a lack of judgment of others. I also have for a while questioned if there really is any sense of "free will" in the generally understood sense, but other people who I see as further along than me say this distinction is senseless eventually.

    So I don't know. I didn't really say what I intended to say but I think it captures my journey decently enough. There have been more shifts in perception and understanding than I can really enumerate, and these things I would consider supermundane, but when I use that word I don't mean it in its dictionary form. It's almost like in a mental way in how I relate to the world has changed drastically, but it's not like I woke up and started levitating, but when I compare to how I look at the world now vs how I used to it is like looking at two different realities.

    Best way I can put it all.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >four months of meditation
    >here have a huge serving of my mental diarrhea
    Find a teacher, your practice is ineffective.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also if you may, please tell me how my practice is ineffective.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        all you're really doing is making you feel a bit better about yourself, there's not much of anything that will produce real transformation

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, I see.
          However let me tell you that I'm not feeling entirely better, there are times which things are revealed to me, things about myself which make me feel shame, fear e.t.c.
          It's more of an accepting process than a "better myself/making myself feel better" process.

          What really produces real transformation according to you friend?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you feel good about the fact you have something to talk with people abt
            >yeah my meditation is wreaking havoc on me again poor lil ol me lol
            basically
            >look how moral i am, do you see me suffer, did you see me drop a penny for that homeless guy
            maybe just stop trying to act like youre better than you really are
            no practice necessary

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if youre really as good and informed as you think you are why the need for raising your chest in a meditation practice
            to prove your enlightened insides how deserving you are of enlightenment?
            do you even understand what meditation actually is or do you just go by some vague bs by some moron who told you to "just sit"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >calls me moron
            >too afraid to make a comment explaining it or say anything because they know they don't know and will get absolutely embarrassed
            why dont you come and try again when your practice has fixed you being a weak pos

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, sorry if I came across as a guy on a high horse, I didn't meant to and surely I don't consider myself an experienced person or anything.

            if youre really as good and informed as you think you are why the need for raising your chest in a meditation practice
            to prove your enlightened insides how deserving you are of enlightenment?
            do you even understand what meditation actually is or do you just go by some vague bs by some moron who told you to "just sit"

            I don't really want to prove anything with this thread, I wanted to see what people have to say about meditation.
            >do you even understand what meditation actually is
            I don't really know, can you tell me?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm this anon () (The OP) and I thought that

            you feel good about the fact you have something to talk with people abt
            >yeah my meditation is wreaking havoc on me again poor lil ol me lol
            basically
            >look how moral i am, do you see me suffer, did you see me drop a penny for that homeless guy
            maybe just stop trying to act like youre better than you really are
            no practice necessary

            and

            if youre really as good and informed as you think you are why the need for raising your chest in a meditation practice
            to prove your enlightened insides how deserving you are of enlightenment?
            do you even understand what meditation actually is or do you just go by some vague bs by some moron who told you to "just sit"

            where the same person replying in a chain of posts.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nah
            its just
            you think good is good, put it over evil, and equate your practice with good as well
            ofc you think you and your practice are "better than the alternative"
            why else would you be doing it or stay fixated on your personal idea of good

            second comment wasn't aimed at you necessarily but while talking to you other peoples' talking points come up as well

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >lmao who gives af abt evil
            is that buddhist compassion?
            is it acceptance of all phenomena or are you basically holding on to not even a half of duality?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, I've always just seen meditation as a tool/skill, can be used for good or bad, can result in insight or not. Depends how you use it. Like any skill, there's a big difference between working with good info and bad info, or no info.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nah that's already implying its validity rather than recognizing it for garbage
            christianity isn't just a tool
            flat earth "science" isnt "just a tool" either
            >depends on how you use it
            fine explain why your meditation isn't like that then
            be the first

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're conflating concepts here. I wouldn't call Christianity a tool, nor Buddhism as it's understood by most. But meditation itself is a tool. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            still no explanation then
            >no i swear its a cow tool

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i know an alligator that meditates
            full lotus and everything

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i know an alligator that meditates
            full lotus and everything

            you think it ever feels guilty about eating a person?
            >inb4 animals cant be enlightened
            bodhidharma enlightened a parrot..
            i bet they told you girls were icky too
            >and somehow their teachings resonate with me
            lmao
            you look like a bunch of fricking idiots

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hey interesting point actually, maybe animals are all enlightened in a way. They don't really have the capacity to spend all they thinkin about themselves. You might say that they identify with emotion, feeling and senses quite readily, but they can let go of all that and move on pretty quick when circumstances change.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      everything is enlightenment in a way
      that doesnt mean grass is gonna tell you how to deal with your emotions
      now go touch grass
      wait

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Videos on Meditation and being present:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stop shilling your crappy videos, you post this nonsense in every meditation thread.
      Stay in you containment general

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know I have to meditate, but I just wake up and go into my day from task to task.

    I have to meditate, that's where everything in me is telling me to go. I know that my lucidity can be higher.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      or maybe your subconscious is asking you to re evaluate your views on meditation like a sort of guilt response

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but can you elaborate more on what you said?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >creates imbalance
          >"hey guy this thing is imbalanced pls fix"
          >oh hey my subconny wants me to think about meditation again lols it probably wants me to sit again

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I still don't understand, I am sorry, no need to explain more, I'm probably not smart or knowledgeable enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            just chant some more and light an incense stick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are you the doer? Is meditation something that is done by you? You're creating resistance with the thought "I have to do this, I have to do that". You just need to attain the lucidity to flow, at which point everything could be considered "meditation".

            Life is a story being shown to you. I am not entirely implying free will isn't involved, but attachment in any form will give rise to resistance.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I see, I understand now.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >We are
    So there's still one illusion left.

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