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What are the best ways to meditate?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go to your local zoo, jump into the lion enclosure.
    Peak meditation experience right there.
    That’s why pic related sits on the tiger.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      HOLY ZASED!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm confused
      shouldn't I jump into the TIGER enclosure for better results?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, it has to be a gorilla. Much better results if you ask me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nope, listen to Dio
        you gotta ride the mf'n tiger

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Catch the rainbow amd temple of the king are his best songs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > i'm confused
        Yeah, no shit you are
        > shouldn't I jump into the TIGER enclosure for better results?
        Tigers are for advanced practitioners, i gage /x/ anons at intermediate level so I adviced the lion enclosure, less ferocious..
        But maybe I’m to generous scaling anons at that level.
        So maybe for (you), since you so straightforward admitted to being confused. Start opening Christmas presents around your cat and just be your autistic self. It will give you a first glimps into meditation experience
        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O6LQUKlcMeU

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            urbanites deeply believe they cant do now wrong and they can behave however they want around animals

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hmmm.
      Well, if you say so. /gets dressed to go.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What are the best ways to meditate?
    Meditation is a tool. The best way to meditate is the way that helps you fulfill your goal. There is no universal answer to this question

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're clearly trying to find a starting point, while you're not wrong you should at least include some examples if you're gonna give an answer like that.
      OP I personally, and I think many autistic people, find walking meditation to work effectively and relatively easily. You can do it with or without a real destination, but I reccomend it be at least 4 miles round trip. Hikes work for some, but I find them more distracting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >trying to find a starting point
        You cannot offer a starting point without knowing the goal.
        OP is asking "what's the best way to train sport?" with no indication what they are training for.
        The problem is you have already assumed the goal of meditation, and assume everyone has the same goal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The problem is you have already assumed the goal of meditation, and assume everyone has the same goal.
          You might be right.
          My understanding is that meditation is primarily for inducing self reflection and internal confrontation, sometimes as a means of expanding perspective and sometimes to clarify a specific problem occupying your mind.
          What are other purposes or goals of meditation?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What are other purposes or goals of meditation?
            The only other worthy use i can think of is gaining special powers like remote viewing or telekinesis and stuff

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Is that not just through expanding your perspective? Or are they literally acquired by exercising your brain like a muscle rather than just realizing powers you already have?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Astral projection you learn from a few things: 1. Focus 2. Remembering what you see in your dreams 3. Going to sleep without falling asleep

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Going to sleep without falling asleep
            What does this mean? Like going to sleep without entering a dream?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What are other purposes or goals of meditation?
            qi cultivation, kundalini awakening, siddhi cultivation, enlightment, daoist ascension, general wisdom, self control, trauma dissolution, introspection, emotion control, etc.
            There are innumerable goals for it, each with their own techniques of how to use it.
            And even within those separate disciplines, there's are even more subdivisions.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >qi cultivation, kundalini awakening, siddhi cultivation, enlightment, daoist ascension, general wisdom, self control, trauma dissolution, introspection, emotion control, etc.
            I feel like all of those except maybe I cultivation and maybe ascension/enlightenment fall under the two categories I listed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You feel wrong then. Some things may overlap on minor points but they are fundamentally different doctrines. Even Daoist ascension and Buddhist enlightment are an almost diametral different achievements even tho people like to lump them together as identical

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Even Daoist ascension and Buddhist enlightment
            I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a dismissive dick, I'm not trying to. What is the difference between the two? And is there another aspect to them than an expansion of or change in perspective?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Buddhist enlightment is a return to oneness through ego dissolution and deconstruction toward the essence of being. "The wave discovers is the ocean" stuff.
            Daoist ascension is about energy transformation and transcending this reality through aggregation towards a new type of being. Mirroring the metaphor from before, it would be a wave separating itself from the ocean and becoming it's own ocean somewhere else.
            Of course there are in-between sects as well, Zen and Quanzhen both tried to merge Buddhism and Daoism into a new paradigm(with some Confucianism as wel), but at their most pure they reach different end goals

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            enlightment is a return to oneness through ego dissolution and deconstruction toward the essence of being.
            huh no, there's no oneness and there's no ego in buddhism

            >Even Daoist ascension and Buddhist enlightment
            I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a dismissive dick, I'm not trying to. What is the difference between the two? And is there another aspect to them than an expansion of or change in perspective?

            buddhism is about ending suffering by ending rebirths and that's done by insights into he aggregates which cuts the fetters which generate rebirths

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >there's no oneness
            Eh, Buddhists are so nitpicky. You guys like to call it interbeing or dependent origination, but it's the same thins
            >here's no ego in buddhism
            again, nitpicky. There is no true self in Buddhism but the "illusion of self", as you guys like to call it, is a thing in Buddhism
            >buddhism is about ending suffering by ending rebirths and that's done by insights into he aggregates which cuts the fetters which generate rebirths
            A different way of saying exactly the same thing. At the basis of Buddhism is deconstruction and ego dissolution, you guys can call it whatever you want but that is what it is. Cessation happens when there is no more illusion of self(ego dissolution) and when there is enough insight gained into the aggregates(deconstruction).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A different way of saying exactly the same thing. At the basis of Buddhism is deconstruction and ego dissolution, you guys can call it whatever you want but that is what it is. Cessation happens when there is no more illusion of self(ego dissolution) and when there is enough insight gained into the aggregates(deconstruction).
            this is a moron zoomer take on buddhism that he got from getting annoyed by buddhists posting on /x/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but how is it wrong? What is the difference between ego and the illusion of self?
            I've seen a lot of self proclaimed Buddhists on here use the terms he used.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            fools take minor aspects and make them central features

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That could imply multiple things in this context, please expand on what you mean.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            cmon think about what I responded to

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can think of at least 2 things that would make sense. Why do you insist on not being explicit?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because the other anon is right and he's talking out of his ass. Buddhist do love to hide behind words and philosophical concepts.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            its straight up hilarious when spiritual zygotes assert that I'm talking out my ass on this subject

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            why not just ask do you mean x or do you mean y
            I made a rather blanket statement that is very widely applicable so it may very well be the case that both x and y are z

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because I'm starting to suspect you're talking out of your ass. Because most people who say vague shit like that in any context are.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >its bad to say things that can be applied in myriad ways
            ask what you wanted to or piss off, I've already got one butthole wasting my time itt, dont need another

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the word ego was created by the german bourgeoisie produced by the secular enlightenment. You really really shouldn't use this word.

            here is the definition of ego

            >PHILOS. [In Kant and his followers] Thinking subject as a synthetic a priori unity of representations or experiences.

            illustrations:
            ego.
            description here has to rise to the level of a transcendental phenomenology in which what appears least wanted is constituted by a pure, transcendental ego, obtained by reduction of the empirical ego.

            >By extension, especially in the vocabulary of phenomenology: The ''me'' in its uniqueness and fundamental unity

            illustrations:
            >>Far from the ego being the personalizing pole of a consciousness which, without it, would remain at the impersonal stage, it is, on the contrary, consciousness in its fundamental ipseity that allows the ego to appear under certain conditions (Sartre, Être et Néant,1943, p. 148).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >secular enlightenment
            this contradiction in terms should not be used either
            enlightenment is NOT an intellectual process, at all

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah well it's the atheists who decided to call their historical period like this

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >enlightenment is NOT an intellectual process
            words have more than one meaning and the spiritual, non-intellectual, meaning your are referring to only applies in the eastern spiritual context, not in the context of 18th century europe, were it has a meaning related to an intellectual process

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            18th century europe "enlightenment" is a meme, it is the opposite of enlightenment
            its like the notion of a liberal vs a classical liberal
            they mean opposites
            the frickfaces that decided to use this word did not know what it meant and tried to usurp the word
            this is a meditation thread anyway, just so you're clear on the context
            but you should understand well that the concept you speak of is practically the antithesis of the word's original meaning

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh zoomers
            Reminder that Buddhists are the christcucks of the asian world and with the exception of a few based denominations they are dogmatic morons that are as close to enlightment as western Christians are to Christ

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They do have a pretty absurd level of syncretization for what they are. That said you're just feeding into the degradation of the level of discourse ITT.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            buddhism has no dogma and buddhism has no lineage to hinduism which is the judaism of india

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >buddhism has no dogma
            anatta is a dogma

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            reminder that tu quoque is also a logical fallacy
            I'm not buddhist because I dont like the way they have all their shit situated with too much ceremonial rigor and dumb mf nitpicking about how things should be done
            that said I have an affinity for the buddhas
            I just dont follow all the useless fluff portions of it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I personally really like jodo shu Buddhism, because that's what shogun tokugawa's family personally associated itself with, and they ran Japan for 250 years. They must have done something right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Buddhist enlightment is a return to oneness through ego dissolution and deconstruction toward the essence of being. "The wave discovers is the ocean" stuff.
            Daoist ascension is about energy transformation and transcending this reality through aggregation towards a new type of being. Mirroring the metaphor from before, it would be a wave separating itself from the ocean and becoming it's own ocean somewhere else.
            Of course there are in-between sects as well, Zen and Quanzhen both tried to merge Buddhism and Daoism into a new paradigm(with some Confucianism as wel), but at their most pure they reach different end goals

            >Intro to Buddhism (Suffering/stress[Dukkha] and the cessation/release of it [Nibbana])
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0003.html
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/Refuge/Section0003.html

            >Meditation (To attain a pleasure removed from sensuality [jhana] & to gain insight into how stress/suffering arises so that one can be released from it [nibbana])
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Section0003.html

            ?list=PLoP5asjFOVFQ1XYpmdWPGPfNt5SkE7Kcb

            >Kamma/Karma & Rebirth (Intents/Actions [skillful/unskillful] lead to certain results)
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/KarmaQ&A/Section0009.html
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/TruthOfRebirth/Section0003.html

            >The Four Noble Truths
            1 - Dukkha (suffering/stress)
            2 - the Origination [of dukkha] (craving)
            3 - the Cessation [of dukkha] (nibbana)
            4 - the Path [to the cessation of dukkha] (eightfold path)
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/FourNobleTruths/Section0003.html

            >[1st truth] Aging, Illness, Death (There is Suffering)
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/Undaunted/Contents.html

            >[2nd truth] Dependent Origination (The Origination of suffering [craving])
            1 - Ignorance
            2 - Fabrication
            3 - Consciousness
            4 - Name-and-Form
            5 - Six Senses
            6 - Contact
            7 - Feeling
            *8 - CRAVING
            9 - Clinging
            10 - Becoming
            11 - Birth
            12 - Aging-and-Death
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Contents.html

            >[3rd truth] Nibbana/Nirvana (Unbinding — The Cessation of suffering)
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/MindLikeFire/Section0007.html

            >[4th truth] The Noble Eightfold Path (The Path to the cessation of suffering)
            - Right View
            - Right Resolve
            - Right Speech
            - Right Action
            - Right Livelihood
            - Right Effort
            - Right Mindfulness
            - Right Concentration
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/OnThePath/Section0000.html

            >The Wings to Awakening (Summary of the Buddha's teachings)
            https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/Wings/Section0000.html

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful mental qualities, he enters and remains in the first jhāna, [with] rapture and pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation. He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of seclusion. Just as if a skilled bathman or bathman’s apprentice would pour bath powder into a brass basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that his ball of bath powder — saturated, moisture-laden, permeated within and without — would nevertheless not drip, even so, the monk permeates… this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of seclusion. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born of seclusion. And as he remains thus heedful, ardent, and resolute, any memories and resolves related to the household life are abandoned, and with their abandoning his mind gathers and settles inwardly, grows unified and centered.”

            With the stilling of directed thoughts and evaluations, he enters and remains in the second jhāna, [with] rapture and pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought and evaluation/internal assurance. With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, and alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters and remains in the third jhāna, of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous and mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.’ With the abandoning of pleasure and pain — as with the earlier disappearance of joys and distresses — he enters and remains in the fourth jhāna:, [with] purity of equanimity and mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain. This is called right concentration.”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            its fine to go copypasta and all but I always prefer personal cultivation anecdotes, shows much better how far the person really got and whether they have some modicum of understanding of the words they just put down

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's best to listen to the Buddha.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            reminder that the buddha said to verify these things for yourself and not simply to trust words because he said them
            the buddha didnt write that anyway, nor did he perform the translation from its original language to english

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah that's the drawback of a stock formula

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Daoist Energy Cultivation:
            They are seeking to build an immortal spiritual subtle body.
            They do this through cultivating sexual energy, and nurturing it inside the body like a fetus.
            The energy they cultivate rises throughout higher energy centers until it finally rests in the center of the brain, giving rise to psychic powers and true astral projection.

            This training is extremely arduous, and not 1 in 10,000 will reach the peaks of the training to become an energy master, although they may still receive some benefit.

            It is essentially the chinese form of kundalini yoga.
            Western external alchemy is superior at building the subtle bodies,
            Taoist internal alchemy is superior at building energy, but energy is inefficient at purifying the consciousness compared to mantras/scripture/insight meditation

            >Buddhist Enlightenment:
            Destroy the ego, and merge with Kether on the Tree of Life as soon as possible.
            There is no you after this happens, only one-ness with the ocean of undifferentiated consciousness.
            Whereas most other religions aim to create a beautiful heaven on level 3 - level 9 of the Tree of Life, or sometimes in all levels.
            But once you go to level 2 or beyond, you dissolve the self, the ego, the personality - which is why it's not an attractive goal for everyone.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >kundalini awakening
            Tell me more about this. How do I do it?
            Also since it's called "divine feminine" will i get b***hbreasts or something if I do it as a guy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Practice Semen Retention (for cultivation of life force) with prostrations. It's that simple.

            >Going to sleep without falling asleep
            What does this mean? Like going to sleep without entering a dream?

            I'm still learning, from what I can gather it's about being conscious that you're unconscious. Which causes you to literally be awake in spirit. So what happens is you get a POV from your soul, as it is detached from your physical body, for a temporary time. Your physical body is asleep, but your soul is not. So through your willpower you can move around, by thinking things like "go there" "go to specific persons house" you will move. and I Think it helps with visualizations aswell. Although i don't know what the similarity between Lucid dreaming and AP is tbh. Since in both cases, you are conscious in spirit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            awakening
            >Tell me more about this. How do I do it?
            you do not want this meme
            99% of all times you will ever read the word kundalini, what is being referred to is an overloading of the body's energy system and it causes odd side effects that are described as kindalini syndrome
            this should not be confused with the true opening of the shushumna and that which accompanies it
            anyone who says they woke k and dont have all kinds of siddhis is a straight up lying deluded fool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            True kundalini experiences are not very common.
            Most of the time, people call the circulation of energy/prana/chi in their spine as kundalini, but this is just energy, and not true kundalini.

            True kundalini is a feeling of a spring-like serpent energy from the spine, that rises into the chakra where the chief consciousness dwells. This will be experienced as an ego-dissolving state, and often fear, and a person's personality can be overwritten by the kundalini power in a matter of minutes.
            It is like the primordial energy of the ocean of infinite consciousness, or the Finger of God, that dwells in each person's root chakra, and has the power to over-write your personality in minutes. When a person realizes this, it becomes a thing to be feared and respected, and not a toy to be played with. You are not in control of it, it is something you can only surrender to, being the Will of God, to write your soul according to His Will.
            It is not a pleasant experience to dwell in that ego-dissolving state, where your personality can be stripped away.
            It is the primordial evolutionary force of your soul.

            Doing yogic practices and meditations, mantras and scripture, will naturally cause the evolution of your soul, without needing to specifically focus on kundalini.

            The kundalini rising into the current main chakra during each breath, and then falls again to the root, but this is just the natural state of your current consciousness, and is different from the times kundalini will over-write chakras.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Personality should not be confused with the ego, after the ego is gone you still experience individuality and have personality. Soul offers individuality while ego works as the shadow self holding all the traumas. It's true that the ego taints and hides our natural personality, normies appear through their traumas rather than as a pure person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i actually have an awakened kundalini
            >How do i do it
            imo, anyone who has to find a way to do it doesn't need/deserve it. The ways to do it are very rigorous and degrading. If it is meant to happen to you. You'll find it.
            >Also since it's called "divine feminine" will i get b***hbreasts or something
            no.
            to put it simply. Once it awakens it will do one of 3 broad things. If you are a really ignorant person it will burn you to death, if you are an ok person it will brutally rewire you. If you are a good person it will try to liberate you spiritually.
            But it won't be whatever it is you want.
            Also you can't fake it in it's initial stages because it causes physical changes. it gives you a ghastly appearance, makes your eyes so white it removes all the blood vassals and more i forget.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Meditation is deliberate focus of awareness. It can be used for all sorts of things, including things that have nothing to do with self-realization.
            For example, boxers employ meditation via visualizing how an upcoming match will go, including their win, to get increased confidence and flow in the actual fight.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's a really good one. Visualization is one of the best uses of meditation. So many great fighters, in general, openly admit to using it. Alex Jones in his last fight said he used it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Visualization is one of the best uses of meditation.
            fake it till you make it is gay
            tis better to lay the groundwork and then work with real potentials
            instead of imagining you have some above baseline flux to work with when you dont

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this isnt google maps
          one can establish a foundation without knowing where his end goal lies
          so long as one knows a foundation is ubiquitous to all that's built on top of it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >one can establish a foundation without knowing where his end goal lies
            So...make a map?
            Sure, one can establish foundation, which is defining meditation and perhaps potential destinations.
            But to say "what's my best path?" requires knowing where you want to go.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this is where finding a master is helpful
            but there's no reason to delay the foundation until he's found

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no universal answer
      Did anyone ask you for the ultimate meditation method of the Universe (God's method of meditation)?
      How about an answer that results in you disclosing a viable meditation method?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I perform runic galdr and mantra.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can you give more insight into this practice? Specifically galdr. I've been playing with it to mixed results for around 3 years now and I like to more heavily incorporate it into my life.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I perform runic galdr
      sry to ask for spoonfeeding, but can you recommend any good book(s) about this?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Singing bowls are very helpful for clearing negative aura and helping you teach a trance state. Incense can help through s ritualistic cleansing to get your mind ready. Calm your mind and sit cross-legged and use meditation hand gestures if you wish to focus on a certain Chakra, but beginners too meditation might find that to distract and cause overthrowing which is the opposite you wish to achieve. You allow your thoughts to come and go like a breeze and don't loom on them. Breath deep and inhale through your nose and Out through your mouth, there Is many different breathing timings you can learn that can affect or target certain things. Overall just try and achieve that trance state and you'll be golden. I hope this helps OP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      BS

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  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Watching this thread. Meditation is such a fundamental part of occult/paranormal but it's barely ever discussed
    I for one think "just empty your mind and focus on your breath bro" is shit tier advice for beginners

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I for one think "just empty your mind and focus on your breath bro" is shit tier advice for beginners
      It's good advice for beginners, but beginners doesn't mean people who are new to meditation it means people who are new to any form of self analysis.
      Unless you're a stereotypical normie or like 14 the level of self reflection it induces will likely be nothing beyond what you probably already do in your every day life.
      Other forms of meditation are for people whose self reflection has gotten to a point that it either requires intense emotional confrontation or higher levels of focus and thinking than would normally be achieved by a resting body.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I for one think "just empty your mind and focus on your breath bro" is shit tier advice for beginners
      shit tier post from not even a beginner
      it is quite simply the safest beginning
      and provides rigor that becomes very needed later on down the road
      seen it happen
      people do all these cultivations but they dont put in the time on the basics
      they get later on down the road and wonder why they cant get deep enough to make the other stuff happen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In my opinion it's great advice, most homosexual sapiens literally live in their minds and connecting to the breath is a great grounding tool which serves as a good start.
      But let's say that's it's shit tier advice - Then what is good advice for beginners? Enlighten us please.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a filtered down buddhist beginner meditation, for those who don't even know how to do those properly.
      Because buddhist meditations have caught on to popularity much more in the west than other styles. Because most are not suited to energy meditations, but just want to go to a yoga studio to cultivate "sexyness".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I for one think "just empty your mind and focus on your breath bro" is shit tier advice for beginners
      It's a bad advice because it's not explaining why. It's a good start for practicing awareness and calming your mind. The point is to enter a meditative state in which you are aware of your (unconscious) thoughts and behavior, instead of emotionally react (unconscious programming) to what you experience, usually they're expressed as negative thoughts.
      Instead of being mean, angry or sad (towards others or yourself), you can be compassionate and emphatic etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        where did this "become aware of your thoughts in meditation" malarkey come from?
        when you're cultivating awareness you dont want to be cultivating thought, the two are mutually exclusive
        there is no point at all whatsoever to "being aware of your thoughts" while in meditation
        thoughts are to be ended immediately and return to the training, there's simply no point in noticing or analyzing them while in a meditative session.
        thought consumes the energy potential required for meditative phenomena to arise
        keep thinking and it never builds up to get there
        keep analyzing the thought instead of killing it immediately, you never form the habit energy of attentive awareness

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          For a beginner, yes. Being quietly aware and in control you can learn to let it go or engage with the thought (contemplation) as you wish. Just telling someone to "empty" their mind isn't really helpful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you can learn to let it go or engage with the thought (contemplation) as you wish
            someone must have conflated these two concepts on purpose so as to prevent people from ever attaining any spiritual results. I have some well backed observations about who might want such things for the world.
            meditation and contemplation are two different things, and they are mutually exclusive
            this is a fact, if one is taking place then the other cannot happen
            the beginner would do well to understand this
            >Just telling someone to "empty" their mind isn't really helpful.
            of course it isnt, that's why the beginner should be told to focus on executing a proper breath so that the awareness is focused on something that isnt a mental activity

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not conflating the two, I said you can do either one. Focused awareness is the skill practiced, what you focus on is secondary and I'm not implying it's irrelevant or the same.
            Practicing awareness of thoughts as a beginner can make it easier to then let go of thoughts and 'empty' your mind.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Practicing awareness of thoughts as a beginner can make it easier to then let go of thoughts and 'empty' your mind.
            you appear to be simply unaware of the fact that habit energies and their apparent complimentary opposites do not cancel each other out - this is the essence of a noncommutative operation.
            the only way "awareness of thoughts" is fruitful in meditation is when you correctly identify your departure from cultivation and use it as a prompt to return to your cultivation and immediately cease the thought without further energy given to it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it doesn't matter how the thinking stops as long as it stops, no style points given

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there's a quick and direct way,
            and there's a way that feeds the feedback
            its of course up to one if he wishes to take the slower winding route that doesnt necessarily ascend
            the mindset of extracting every last efficiency demands certain tactics at times

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there is no one best universal way for all, work with people and you will learn this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >there is no one best universal way for all
            it is simply the case that there are good, better and best methods
            ok sure, people with mental issues might have a harder time with it
            but they arent going to be making any spiritual progress anyway
            people that resist quieting their minds are simply not destined for it this lifetime

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bullshit. people who suffer have greater chance of succeeding.
            methods aren't important but the result, is the mind silent or not. people work in different ways, different programs, traumas and mind patterns. dissociating from the mind stream is the easiest way to find mental silence for many so it's unwise to shit on it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >bullshit. people who suffer have greater chance of succeeding.
            I'm sorry you're suffering and dont have the fortitude to proceed with the best method and have to go with lesser methods
            >methods aren't important
            I've seen people spin their wheels long time with poor method
            they insisted their methods werent poor also
            reminder that mental afflictions need to be resolved before spiritual progress can be made
            if one needs to spend time resolving those with whatever method, fine for them, do what is needed to make any progress at all whatsoever
            but again real meditative progress just isnt going to be had by those with significant mental afflictions

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i don't suffer anymore
            >some do it wrong
            of course, that is not an excuse to shit on methods. i'm sure millions have failed with your pet methods.
            >you can't succeed if...
            no one can predict when the awakenings happen. i was not prepared and only had a dozen hours of practice behind me when my first spiritual awakening happened, i dropped the majority of my false self in seconds.
            in the end even meditation is an excuse to find progress, what you truly are doesn't need to meditate.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i don't suffer anymore
            if this was true then you wouldnt be so assmad about my words
            >i'm sure millions have failed with your pet methods.
            absolutely seething
            >I was not prepared and only had a dozen hours of practice behind me when my first spiritual awakening happened
            kek, and deluding oneself on top of it
            go tell tall tales elsewhere, kid

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >mad seething kek kid
            i was liking our little talk but i understand it's a lot to take in

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there was nothing to our talk because all I was doing was correcting your poor assumptions as you helped this thread along towards its limit.
            I told you some methods were better than others and you got all assmad about it and the n started talking about making spiritual awakenings in 12 hours
            you're arguing for mental rumination being a path to meditative success, that's just preposterous and laughable
            it shows you are clearly deluded
            I know the whole concept of a narrow path is a pain in the ass and nobody wants to do it
            but you shouldnt go so far as to say lesser methods are just as good as superior ones
            it just shows you have no basis to even make the distinction

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i was not prepared and only had a dozen hours of practice behind me when my first spiritual awakening happened
            not to harp on this but its a good example to make for anons
            things like this happen when you go searching for powerful things and dont do the groundwork to make it safe and be able to withstand the energies you raise
            then you overload your energy system, usually have a bad time with it, sometimes come out relatively unscathed, but its on the level that can potentially dominate what's going on in your life, dude I used to know was junk for like 2 years while he kept at the practices and wouldnt have had a job or a place to live if not for a generous family. he eventually got through things but man...its just better to do things in a safe manner which is why I'm teaching how to lay a real solid foundation that will help one withstand whatever other practices he wants to lay on top of it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i didn't wish to give that idea, it was the best moment of my life that far and only good things followed, better than i could have imagined

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            can you give some tips? nta but i had rough moments past 8-9 weeks, had to go through some shit, and I wish I was more prepared. What is the ground work, is it working on root chakra with some chakra meditation? Also to quote

            what's the best meditation routine (post it if you have it please <3) for ADHD and anxiety? i want to enter the fricking focus zone when i need ffs

            anon, are there some easy methods of meditation for anxiety/ADHD ridden people? What kind of meditation should I be doing anyway, just breathwork/concentrating only on breath, observing as it happens, and not thinking of any thoughts?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes
      Breath meditation is the last thing a beginner should be doing, literally. It's too difficult compared to something like metta and you'll sit there for 10 years with no progress or give up before then (inb4 I reached enlightenment after 1 minute of breath meditation).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well, firstly this thread is made and maintained by a larping moron that has his own agenda and schizo sensibilities. He's the one pushing that specifically
        That being said, focusing on the breath is not the worst advice. The problems arise because
        1. people think that anything that's referred to as "meditation" is exactly the same. Breath awareness, kasina meditation, metta all fall under the category of "meditation", but they're vastly different and have vastly different end results and uses.
        2. People have no exact goal and most of the concepts are nebulous and badly understood. If you know exact what you want from meditation, what the various type of meditations actually achieve and what the manifestations actually are, then you should be able to choose correctly and follow a well laid out plan.
        But in this area, people don't want clarity because it would expose a lot of scammers, larpers and self deluded people. The instance the esoteric and metaphorical veneers are lifted, a lot of people have a lot to lose and so something like that is fought and rejected.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          people have not been taught to link the word meditation with the concept of the cultivation of awareness and thusly wind up conflating it with many things that are not the cultivation of awareness
          >People have no exact goal
          by and large, correct
          >most of the concepts are nebulous and badly understood
          many concepts require some cultivation in order to understand them in some real way
          >If you know exact what you want from meditation, what the various type of meditations actually achieve and what the manifestations actually are, then you should be able to choose correctly and follow a well laid out plan.
          few places offer well laid out plans and some methods its more or less contradictory to consider a well laid out plan as compared to a proper general direction.
          >But in this area, people don't want clarity because it would expose a lot of scammers, larpers and self deluded people.
          a problem arises when most people arent able to tell good information from bad and call legitimate solid rational things larping
          >The instance the esoteric and metaphorical veneers are lifted, a lot of people have a lot to lose and so something like that is fought and rejected.
          metaphors are historically used so as to prevent the uncouth from chasing spiritual powers. plenty of scammers exist, but its sad when someone attacks good information and call it a scam because they are quite simply unable to tell potable water from water with shit droplets in it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            tell us more about all that distilled ancient knowledge you got from a 20$ freely available book, larper-kun. You can also seethe about zoomers, too, I hear it's a sign of great achievement in Buddhism when you notice the zoomer problem

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Breath meditation is the last thing a beginner should be doing, literally. It's too difficult
        utterly preposterous, even for morons

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is your goal?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NTA but my goal is to completely know my nature, abandon all fear and be able to interact with other people/leave my house without being nervous.
      Also I'd like a girlfriend but i guess that's not important here

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you think those things are the same goal? If you had to choose, would you accept fearless, sociability, a girlfriend, or self-realization?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I would want self realisation just because i have a vague feeling I'll achieve the other two automatically

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you meditate to get stuff. Visualization and LoA practices would be best for you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well i guess I'll go with that then anon. Idk it feels like I'm not petty enough to want materialistic things over actual spiritual development but what can I say... Maybe in the next life?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just find the most comfy position for you. And your goal. Like do you wanna learn to Astral Project through meditating? I do. So I lay down on my bed and get comfy. I always feel that "pull" but I haven't gotten an AP yet. Try meditating in the Buddha position. That position makes me very uncomfy so I dont do it anymore. Find a set of mantras that you repeat to yourself and speak them in your mind.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Get tingles all over and through your body and develop your intellect through contemplation. Tingles may be referred to as asmr, vibrations, tre, synesthesia etc... its actually spirit energy

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Videos on Meditation and being present:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      kys

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We all strive to attain ego death. Namaste.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In particular, the second one was helpful for me to focus on the present moment and everything else will follow.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Finding a professional meditation master that is benevolent and honest and following his guidance.

    You don't want to deep dive on your own. From nothing to insanity and death, meditation requires a sober and meticulous approach.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this would be nice. I never had a problem with it before this please leave me alone

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cool picture btw. Where did you get it?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your level. If you're a beginner try strong determination sitting, it will build your discipline gradually. To do it, set a timer (start low, 5 minutes, then gradually over weeks and months work up to 20, 30, 40 minutes), and then decide, in earnest, you will not move even a muscle during that time. After you sit down and get physically comfortable, do not move even a muscle. Feel itchy? Too bad. Experience the itch. Feel sore? Too bad. No movement. This meditation is unlike others because it actually allows mind wondering. It's encouraged to be as aware as possible of your thoughts during the meditation, but do not suppress them whatsoever. Let them be. Observe them. And do not move until the timer goes off.

    Above is a good beginner technique as mentioned. If you're at an advanced level, do the "do nothing" meditation as described by Shinzen Young:

    You will not be able to do this at a beginner level unless you are exceptionally gifted so don't even bother. But do work your way to this level. You know you're ready when you can exist without a single thought in meditation for 5 minutes straight. It's at this level that things get really interesting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is a good beginner technique as mentioned. If you're at an advanced level, do the "do nothing" meditation as described by Shinzen Young:
      Shinzen young is the usual ''atheist'' israelite who fricking loves science and fricking loves Zen spirituality. At the end of the day he has no clue about meditation and buddhism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure you're way above his level.

        >This meditation is unlike others because it actually allows mind wondering. It's encouraged to be as aware as possible of your thoughts during the meditation, but do not suppress them whatsoever.
        training the mind that its ok to let it wander is quite simply, stupid

        That's not the point. It's a stepping stone to "true" meditation, and a damn good one. It's like building a muscle you've been ignoring all your life. I'm sure you couldn't even do 2 minutes of it, based on how ignorant you are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you are attempting to assert that a noncommutative operation can be solved in a commutative way.
          that is to say, the opposite of a habit will never cancel out the habit
          habits can only be replaced with other habits
          there is no benefit to just watching and observing them
          the proper way is to cease them immediately and return to breathwork as soon as you notice
          this denies the thinking path its potential
          and eventually the new habit is written

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What a bunch of nonsense. Meditation is observing oneself. Good luck trying to cancel out thoughts if you can't even observe them. Might as well go around chasing ghosts, too. Just as fruitful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the dudes around here who know, chuckle alongside olfactory anon
            cultivating ungapped awareness is what you want to do
            the hell with whatever random shit pops out of your brain because you dont have the coherence to sync the subconscious and conscious

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            t.olfactory anon
            We know you like to samegay, stop it already and go get help

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the dumb mf thinks I've samegayged itt
            you need to go learn a little more, kid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This meditation is unlike others because it actually allows mind wondering. It's encouraged to be as aware as possible of your thoughts during the meditation, but do not suppress them whatsoever.
      training the mind that its ok to let it wander is quite simply, stupid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not training you to let your mind wander, it's training you to observe and withstand your mind wandering without letting it prompt action.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thats how teachings get diluted.
        They get made progressively easier to accommodate more followers.
        >You think sitting still and quieting the mind is hard? No worries, just let it wonder, it's fine bruh

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You fool, would you make a total noodle arm, out-of-shape person do the navy seal course first day? No, you would gradually and progressively make him do harder and harder things. It takes time to build up to be able to run a navy seal course. It takes time to build up to be able to meditate. What the frick do you think monks are doing?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Make teachings easier because normies need easing in
            >normies spend a few years doing this and then write their own shit where they say the ease in is all you need
            >the original master that knew more dies and no one corect the normies
            >now all that remains is what the normies know and becomes mainstream
            This is exactly how the focus in Buddhism switched from jhanas to mindfulness and metta.
            >Are you meditating?
            >Yeah bro, I'm always in the moment and sending love to all beings. This meditation stuff is very easy and natural. Btw, wanna go to burning man?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This is exactly how the focus in Buddhism switched from jhanas to mindfulness and metta.
            based

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the dudes around here who know, chuckle alongside olfactory anon
            cultivating ungapped awareness is what you want to do
            the hell with whatever random shit pops out of your brain because you dont have the coherence to sync the subconscious and conscious

            Fake meditators. You should go back to Instagram to post pictures of you meditating so everyone can be impressed by it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            t.olfactory anon
            We know you like to samegay, stop it already and go get help

            cope seethe and dilate
            I am correct and I have accomplished samahdi
            you just wallow around in ignorance and accomplish nothing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I am correct and I have accomplished samahdi
            Thank you for saying something that makes it clear you're LARPing so I can stop feeding into it. You wouldn't post like this if you actually achieved samahdi.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this reminds me of when I was 15 and my drummer in my band tried asserting that if I akshually had sex I'd have immediately ran and bragged to them about it. I'm like man that shit first started in december, its march now, what do you think I'm some kind of dork?
            I've achieved it because I've wrote about all these various aspects of it that you dont hear anywhere else
            but as you have no basis for understanding, you have to turn into a malding zoomer over it
            my words are unique because they are from real practice anecdote my poor little zoomy friend

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          your attempts are what cause the ripples you homosexual. just learn to sit still.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me it has been to put on some trippy meditation music, but I don't have any right now, and all the meditation music I find now is too boring, it doesn't engage my mind enough to work for me.
    So I am also looking for a better way to meditate.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Jhanas – Seven Steps to Heaven
    (and One Beyond) by Ajahn Brahm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >For breakfast I had baked beans
      >I like baked beans because we always say "May all beans be happy and well"
      Inspiring.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me meditation is when you focus your awareness on something.

    However things can take your focus away easily and make you "hypnotized" the most common of these things being thoughts.

    Some people are born with a great ability to keep their focus easily but the average human is totally disregulated, so I suggest that one begins with the most basic one which is relaxing your muscles one by one with a body scan meditation, just focusing on a tensed muscle makes it relaxed (at least for me). Thoughts will come but just ignore them, the ones which doubt your practice are the biggest trap.

    After becoming good at relaxation focus on the breath, focus on how deep and slow it can become, usually when the breath becomes silent it's also when the overflow of thoughts decreases.

    I'm not saying that thinking is bad but the average human is totally hypnotized by thoughts for most of his life. Training to not be focused all the time on them makes it easier to keep track of them and even analyze them (journalling helps a lot).

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do a rain dance

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    meditation is all about consistency, before worrying about the best way and fancy stuff start with sitting somewhere doing nothing and focusing on your breath everyday for 3 months. before you're able to do this everything else is bikeshedding

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hanging upside down like a bat

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Loving this thread. I wish I could talk to some of you guys IRL and just pick your minds in endless conversations.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ask away

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can I borrow some cash?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          cultivate your own potentials
          there's no such thing as spiritual welfare
          you make accomplishment or you get nothing
          one can of course carry certain things forth from prior lives
          so if you've done a modicum of it before, then you should learn quickly

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some people may not like olfactory anon and his highly opinionated stance but he is right in the sense that many people begin meditating and they chase "superpowers" or they want to do sitting astral projection on the 1st week, they usually end up thinking a lot about the things they want to achieve and nothing more (and they don't even realize that they are just entranced by their thoughts and they aren't making actual progress).

    Many disciples first train relaxation of the body and calming of the breath, I personally suggest that one trains his body with cardio and asanas (static or vinyasa) and then do anapanasati/pranayama/breathwork.
    This is where one should focus: His body and his breath, your mind may not like it because it loves analyzing things, if you have too many thoughts then contemplating and writing about them or talking with a good friend/therapist will help reduce them.

    The only thing I don't agree with olfactory anon is that in my opinion one should NOT use the perineum and transversus abdominis to support the exhales, one should never use any muscle.

    And no, I am not him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they usually end up thinking a lot about the things they want to achieve and nothing more
      bingo
      >I personally suggest that one trains his body with cardio and asanas (static or vinyasa) and then do anapanasati/pranayama/breathwork.
      based, there needs to be a combination of physical exercise and meditation. sitting for long periods harms the body, it needs to be fortified
      >The only thing I don't agree with olfactory anon is that in my opinion one should NOT use the perineum and transversus abdominis to support the exhales, one should never use any muscle.
      I picked those things up from translations of hundreds years old classics, its not some arbitrary thing I invented. I began my training with 3 years of taking breathwork to its logical conclusions from these translations and the words of masters both in person and suggestions here and there from books written. basically what I present is a distillation of all of this material, through the filters of my own accomplishments that I verified for myself though the eye of my own experience. my notes and distillations are imbued with the troubleshooting I had to go through in order to make what happened happen.
      for the most part, to this day, I havent spoken with a single other person that has experienced what I have in the repeatable way that I have, with the exceptions of the obscure words of the old ones.
      extracting every last efficiency is rather important. without doing it, "the external breath disappears" never happens and the "dantien" enhancing aspects of the meditative breath are kneecapped without attacking this and mastering it.
      just about everyone you hear speak of samahdi, its rare, its an accident of manifestation, you're lucky to have it happen, maybe it will come again some day.
      no. you attack it in rote fashion as if you're a professional. you give it that level of importance, you set the stage so thoroughly it comes every day without fail unless you do something to frick it up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >sitting for long periods hurts the body
        You don’t know what you are talking about

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no u
          physical exercise is a must for a reason
          sloth harms the body
          what do you think bed sores are?
          without the fascia raised to a certain extent then harm occurs
          you can try to state otherwise instead of just saying I dont know what I'm talking about
          but since I've already given plenty of reason you're just making yourself look like an impudent cur

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > "the external breath disappears"

        I thought that this was good and that it's an indicator that one managed to go deeper? It's actually not wanted?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Read more thoroughly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the breath seems to disappear in the fourth jhana

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >picked those things up from translations of hundreds years old classics
        post the sources right now or you're full of it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          tao te ching
          the song of the great dao
          the complete book of zhu zhi, song dynasty
          original interpretation of using no herbs, qing dynasty
          I wish I still had my YMAA embryonic breathing book to go back and look at some more specific references tied to certain concepts, but I let someone borrow it 15 years ago and it was never returned to me. I read that so long ago I dont really remember all of the names.
          there's roughly 170 pages in there that are all from translations yang did in the eb book
          chapter 3 is the gold
          because let's be frank here, none of us are reading those old classics directly in their original language
          most people dont have the willpower to read the translations, even
          many will find yang's book to be too large and they wont know to just go read chapter 3

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you used Daoist texts as references for Buddhist meditation? Why and who told you that is as good idea?
            Also post the exact quotes, don't just randomly list texts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why and who told you that is as good idea?
            oh cripes, are you for real?
            >Also post the exact quotes from a book you dont have any longer
            this one is appropriate for you
            The Secrets of Spiritual Applications of All Veracious Holy Embryo
            (Li Shan Lao Mu's Secrets of Embryonic Breathing-Continuum ) 231
            Classic said: “ The heaven and the earth are the thieves of the million objects, mil-
            lion objects are the thieves of humans, and humans are the thieves of the million
            objects. ” These three ways are mutually adverse with each other, which results in
            the loss of the real Qi, essence, and Shen, consequently the Embryonic Breathing
            cannot be formalized. Therefore, those who cultivate human nature (i.e. tem-
            perament) do not love million objects, and thus their human temperament will
            not be stolen naturally. Therefore, it is said: “'Ben Fen ’ (i.e. Keeping Honest). ”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/b0viVNm.gif

            >So you used Daoist texts as references for Buddhist meditation?
            Ancient wise men taught us how to stabilize the breathing. The Shen will follow and Qi is stabilized. Consequently, the Qi stays and the Shen is stable. If the Qi is agitated, the Xin will be excited. When the Xin is excited, then the Shen will be fatigued (easily). Those who wish to cultivate the Dao, if they do not practice Embryonic Breathing, then there is an origin of the movement and stillness. In this case, how can they enter the door of Wuwei. Therefore, they are lost.

            No, no. post the quote from the ancient textxs that taught you to
            >one should use the perineum and transversus abdominis to support the exhales
            Also please explain to the class what is embryonic breathing from a daoist and budhist perspective, cause I'm willing to bet you have no idea what that actually is

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No, no. post the quote from the ancient textxs that taught you to
            my my, what a stick up your ass
            you dont know that the huiyin is effectively the perineum?
            nobody ever taught you to use the huiyin?
            this is pretty standard stuff my guy
            if you're not using the huiyin then you're simply not going to make any real progress
            Li Zhen Ren’s Sixteen Marvellous Longevity Secret Words
            (Eight Notes of Life Abidance, Ming Dynasty)
            Once inhaling, immediately lift up to return the Qi to the navel
            once lifting, immediately swallow
            the water and fire to meet each other.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >posts quote directly from Jwing-Mings book
            >my guy, I have distilled ancient knowledge from classical texts, I'm basically a master
            Do you even know how that book is called in original chinese?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there ya go buddy, stay away from the substance
            you know you dont have solid footing there

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if you're going to continue to attempt to undermine the pearls I'm casting itt, at least make substantive critiques of it
            but so far you cant even do that
            can you even see the root, or do you already know its too strong to attack

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this is literally all of /x/ and most of the spiritual scene out there. Some moron reads a book or goes to a two week class, thinks he got the super-duper secret knowledge from it and proceeds to come here and larp. The real committed larpers start doing that irl and open schools.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if you dummies read what I wrote you'd notice that I said opening the door is pretty simple and I also stressed that the reason nobody gets what I have out of it is because everyone abandons it for other "moar interesting" things before they ever really make good gains with it.
            but since you guys have a hell of a time finding the main idea of a paragraph like they taught in second grade, you're missing the fact that I'm telling you all that you are slacking the fundamentals and not giving it its requisite effort
            instead I get b***hed at by idiots for their own fundamental misunderstandings and things they read into my words, with an explicit beginning mindset of
            >everyone larps on /x/ and nobody knows what's what
            instead of being a real intelligent person and recognizing the truths of my words
            but it would appear the people b***hing have no basis to even gripe about what I'm actually saying and seize upon little side paths to attack, because people who do that sort of thing are sad little douches with nothing better to do with their time, because yall certainly have not been sitting there cultivating, otherwise you'd know the truth and how congruent my words are with it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >have no basis to even gripe about what I'm actually saying
            you're not saying anything, you seem like you do but you don't. Thats why people don't like you. You quote shit from widely available books out of context just to pretend to be a master on a cat milking korean image board. And when people point out the fact that you have surface level understanding of everything you just start either switching traditions or start calling people zoomer and whatnot.
            Your time would be better invested by going and treating your rampant narcissism rather than all the larping you're doing here

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you're not saying anything, you seem like you do but you don't.
            get back to me when you've akshually read my words and arent just being a bandwagoneering tool
            you have no akshual gripe, you're just assmad that I was given a name by people here and that's just unacceptable so you have to attack everything and you dont even need a basis for it.
            boooooooring
            get a new tactic
            still cant address anything of real substance
            >muh mixing
            reiterating this is just reiterating your ignorance
            good day
            I suggest you go find something worthwhile to do with your time instead of attacking people giving out teachings on proper meditative groundwork

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So you used Daoist texts as references for Buddhist meditation?
            Ancient wise men taught us how to stabilize the breathing. The Shen will follow and Qi is stabilized. Consequently, the Qi stays and the Shen is stable. If the Qi is agitated, the Xin will be excited. When the Xin is excited, then the Shen will be fatigued (easily). Those who wish to cultivate the Dao, if they do not practice Embryonic Breathing, then there is an origin of the movement and stillness. In this case, how can they enter the door of Wuwei. Therefore, they are lost.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I picked those things up from translations of hundreds years old classics, its not some arbitrary thing I invented. I began my training with 3 years of taking breathwork to its logical conclusions from these translations and the words of masters both in person and suggestions here and there from books written. basically what I present is a distillation of all of this material, through the filters of my own accomplishments that I verified for myself though the eye of my own experience. my notes and distillations are imbued with the troubleshooting I had to go through in order to make what happened happen.
        >for the most part, to this day, I havent spoken with a single other person that has experienced what I have in the repeatable way that I have, with the exceptions of the obscure words of the old ones.
        >extracting every last efficiency is rather important. without doing it, "the external breath disappears" never happens and the "dantien" enhancing aspects of the meditative breath are kneecapped without attacking this and mastering it.
        >just about everyone you hear speak of samahdi, its rare, its an accident of manifestation, you're lucky to have it happen, maybe it will come again some day.
        >no. you attack it in rote fashion as if you're a professional. you give it that level of importance, you set the stage so thoroughly it comes every day without fail unless you do something to frick it up.

        >posts quote directly from Jwing-Mings book
        >my guy, I have distilled ancient knowledge from classical texts, I'm basically a master
        Do you even know how that book is called in original chinese?

        quote directly from Jwing-Mings book
        >so that whole word salad was this schizo basically talking about reading Yang Jwing Mings "Embryonic Meditation", a book published in 2004
        lmao, this is the funniest shit I've ever read, the theatricality in order to make his master larp credible is impressive lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you have to put it into practice in order to realize the fruits
          I was asked where this stuff came from
          now that's attacked as if that's a problem
          or as if the publication of the translation is 20 years old is a problem
          I just teach the way to step foot in the door safely and actually make progress with that step
          there's nothing more to be gained from addressing you fools itt
          I've already shown your arguments are superficial shit
          but I'm sure you'll continue to make yourself look like a malding moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I was asked where this stuff came from
            >bruh, i have distilled ancient knowledge from secret textxs bla bla bla, i'm a real master, trust me, bla bla bla
            instead of
            >yeah I read it in YJM book, worked for me, check it out
            lol. lmao even.
            The other anon is right, go get help
            Thanks for the laugh anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >bruh, i have distilled ancient knowledge from secret textxs bla bla bla, i'm a real master, trust me, bla bla bla
            embellishment will get you nowhere
            reminder the distillation is mine
            -yeah I read this book
            -and a bunch of others
            -and trained with a bunch of accomplished people
            -here's my targeted keypoints
            >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE LARPING
            like I said, your arguments are superficial garbage
            I dont need to repeat this itt

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >extracting every last efficiency is rather important. without doing it, "the external breath disappears" never happens and the "dantien" enhancing aspects of the meditative breath are kneecapped without attacking this and mastering it.

        Very interesting. I think in the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, this state of breathlessness is described. It’s something like breathing in and then all of a sudden breathing stops for a while, or conversely it could happen after breathing out. (The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra is supposed to be 112 meditation techniques and commentary thereon supposedly descended direct from Shiva and preserved thereafter through the ages).

        > 1. Radiant one, this experience may dawn between two breaths. After breath comes in (down) and just before turning up (out) — the beneficence.
        We already naturally have a state of “pause” between inbreath and outbreath. But this book makes special note of how this state can be expanded and “the beneficence” experienced in between (the state of samadhi, ecstasy, or higher consciousness).

        I likely wouldn’t have known, cared much about, or even believed in this if it hadn’t once been demonstrated/shown to me before I ever even heard anything about this of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. A meditation master essentially gave it to me “on loan”, in what I think was a temporary bestowal of his energy. There was no physical manipulation of my body, no possibility of anything like narcotics having been given, etc.

        Nevertheless, I momentarily experienced “the state without breath”, or the gap between inbreath and outbreath being spontaneously very lengthened, and an ecstatic all-embracing state of consciousness taking place then. I was not instructed or told anything about “holding my breath”, nor was I TRYING to hold my breath. It was also different from the ordinary sensation of holding your breath because there was no strain, no volition, no effort in it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Very interesting. I think in the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, this state of breathlessness is described. It’s something like breathing in and then all of a sudden breathing stops for a while, or conversely it could happen after breathing out. (The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra is supposed to be 112 meditation techniques and commentary thereon supposedly descended direct from Shiva and preserved thereafter through the ages).
          breath holds are kind of a side path, although they do have their uses
          but when things are properly continuous, this is sustainable
          sure you can build your energy up to a point where you can not take a breath for a minute or two,
          its simply much more useful to disconnect one's automatic linkage between the concepts of breathing vs respiration
          when the flow of air is brought beneath the threshold of turbulence and air is no longer felt but the breath sorta just appears in the belly without the sensation of having taken a breath, this is the true "breathless" state and where "the external breath disappears" because respiration is still taking place, making the whole action sustainable for as long as one can perform the action.
          without all the neurological potentials being generated by the senses, this is where gung is most efficiently built
          its actually surprising how much energy the senses use up, but as most all of us are constantly using this energy, there's no basis to perceive the difference.
          this sets the stage for being able to sustain ungapped awareness for hours on end and it all feels like a moment no matter what time has elapsed
          to clarify the breath externally disappearing, this means the breath is very well internalized and the close connection between the diaphragm's action and the huiyin's action become evident, the front of the abdomen simply moves less.
          this is a reason I teach to overexaggerate the abdominal motion early on, because its more about the timing of respiration as opposed to comfy about training new breath pattern

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This seems like some very advanced stuff, though, far from the beginner’s level. But it is an amazing and unique phenomenon.
            when I began, I basically spent the first year troubleshooting my breath actions and trying to improve it towards executing a perfect breath for my present cardiovascular rate. once I knew the ingredient and how to execute properly, it took me a further 3 months to make a form of samahdi manifest.
            its really all in the method and execution, if you have a good method and execute it seriously, one just about cant fail at this stage of training.
            >I believe it’s somehow related to, or the beginning of, the amazing psychosomatic control some yogis are reputed to have over their bodies.
            definitely, as the channels are energized and "opened" (that is to say, they can accommodate a higher flux more safely) then the connection to one's conscious intent is fortified
            buncha years ago this lady I worked with asked me what I could do with stuff like that, so I held out my white hand and turned it red with blood within a few seconds. she looked at me funny and said you're weird.
            I did do cultivations to open the laogung points in the hand and to do that properly you open the yin and yang channels of the arms
            but the stillness and amplitude cultivation are somewhat necessary to have some above baseline energy potential to work with to open the channels. all these extra keypoints do add up in the overall scheme of things.

            Excellent, and thank you. I feel fortunate to have even heard from you, but, then again, on the other hand, how deep an instruction or encounter can we get from an anonymous online imageboard frequently used by many as their own online personal psychotherapist, their own television and source of entertainment, and/or, conversely, as their own personal bathroom to excrete (the psychospiritual equivalent of) their own shit and piss in simply for their own entertainment? kek

            I wish you the absolute best of luck in your own Daoist meditation and cultivation. Or, put more broadly, in your own spiritual development and cultivation at all, regardless of whether it adheres to any one single spiritual tradition, stands outside them, or mixes and matches among them (or wisely synthesizes them). There's a profound way in which authentic, genuine spiritual cultivation and development is nonsocial, or even antisocial: never truly done as a programmed, herd-like member of a group, but always fundamentally done alone, in deep solitude, even facing opposition from the group, or putting oneself in opposition to the group, the trancelike herdlike blanking-out of conditioned members of society.

            Our roads aren’t necessarily parallel (I can’t exactly bear witness to every feature of meditation or teaching you speak about), but I’m convinced that, winding and twisting as their paths are, both our roads ultimately end up at the same destination. And I appreciate your contribution to the discussion of the techniques, methods of, and possible results of meditation. As Shakespeare would say, “The rest is silence.” Not out of some clever, self-satisfied, pretentious desire to mystify, but only because there’s only so much that can be said about spiritual truth or experience. Eventually, everyone has to find their own way, and it’s almost certainly not on the Internet (and far less from being an overly argumentative, skeptical butthole on said Internet).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            namaste my cultivation brother
            the basics like I refer to can absolutely be taught properly in this sort of a venue
            there's plenty that cant, especially things like internal alchemy that will grievously harm you if its done wrong
            but anapanasati? all it takes is one who's achieved mastery of it, and another, to recognize the golden archway entrance when he sees it.
            I'm not taking anyone past the entrance
            mastery of anapanasati and the ability to achieve samahdi is a very solid foundation for whatever one wants to do after establishing a solid foundation
            but wherever one's path takes them after, I leave that to them to decide
            this is just to help them do it safely and solidly
            I dont want or need students for things like this, for the teaching is that simple
            though I delve deeply into the details, there is a coherence that always follows the simple basic principle

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What is your go to sitting posture while doing the meditation?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the most important part is the straight spine, which allows for the most free gut movement. I didnt even start trying to do lotus until I was 4 years into cultivation. but by the time I was 32 or 33 I could sit in lotus.
            whatever you can do is good
            half lotus is better
            full lotus is best
            lotus is not absolutely necessary, but if your goal is lofty, there's plenty of stretch videos on it that are easily found. dont try to make too much progress too quickly, its all about opening the hips. if your knees or ankles are bothered by the posture, that means your hips arent open enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cultivation gays are silly, nothing but playing with illusions thinking it's real.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The bar for effectiveness is real phenomena, for example an increase in the metabolism from hitting certain avg breath duration

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly the sort of dabbling with illusions I meant, rather than mastering creation you are slightly more efficient at sleeping in it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nooooooooo that cant be real
            Lmao run along, kid
            And wipe them snots away while you're at it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            how do u cultivate? I practice sr and raising energy to my stomach from that Robert Bruce book, never knew what the point was other than i feel better

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What day are you on soldier!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Very interesting. I think in the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, this state of breathlessness is described. It’s something like breathing in and then all of a sudden breathing stops for a while, or conversely it could happen after breathing out. (The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra is supposed to be 112 meditation techniques and commentary thereon supposedly descended direct from Shiva and preserved thereafter through the ages).

          [...]
          This seems like some very advanced stuff, though, far from the beginner’s level. But it is an amazing and unique phenomenon.

          I believe it’s somehow related to, or the beginning of, the amazing psychosomatic control some yogis are reputed to have over their bodies. Like slowing the heart rate/pulse, increasing or decreasing body temperature, etc. It also (somehow, possibly) seems related to the possible immortalization of the body sought after or held to be possible in some traditions. (Taoist immortality yoga, the alleged immortal Indian Rishis or long lived Naths of the Shaivite tradition, like Matsyendranath or Gorakhnath).

          I did not experience it again after, but from it, I’m inclined to give you some credit, as it’s a rarer, more obscure phenomenon not often brought up much in people’s accounts of meditation.

          >I believe it’s somehow related to, or the beginning of, the amazing psychosomatic control some yogis are reputed to have over their bodies. Like slowing the heart rate/pulse, increasing or decreasing body temperature, etc. It also (somehow, possibly) seems related to the possible immortalization of the body sought after or held to be possible in some traditions. (Taoist immortality yoga, the alleged immortal Indian Rishis or long lived Naths of the Shaivite tradition, like Matsyendranath or Gorakhnath).

          none of those difficult activities will help to get even partially enlightened. They completely miss the point: they have no wisdom in them and they don't even develop metta. There's no mind improvement from them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            of course not, they are byproducts of cultivation and not goals in and of themselves
            only fools think relative parlor tricks are a goal to attain

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >extracting every last efficiency is rather important. without doing it, "the external breath disappears" never happens and the "dantien" enhancing aspects of the meditative breath are kneecapped without attacking this and mastering it.

        Very interesting. I think in the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, this state of breathlessness is described. It’s something like breathing in and then all of a sudden breathing stops for a while, or conversely it could happen after breathing out. (The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra is supposed to be 112 meditation techniques and commentary thereon supposedly descended direct from Shiva and preserved thereafter through the ages).

        > 1. Radiant one, this experience may dawn between two breaths. After breath comes in (down) and just before turning up (out) — the beneficence.
        We already naturally have a state of “pause” between inbreath and outbreath. But this book makes special note of how this state can be expanded and “the beneficence” experienced in between (the state of samadhi, ecstasy, or higher consciousness).

        I likely wouldn’t have known, cared much about, or even believed in this if it hadn’t once been demonstrated/shown to me before I ever even heard anything about this of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra. A meditation master essentially gave it to me “on loan”, in what I think was a temporary bestowal of his energy. There was no physical manipulation of my body, no possibility of anything like narcotics having been given, etc.

        Nevertheless, I momentarily experienced “the state without breath”, or the gap between inbreath and outbreath being spontaneously very lengthened, and an ecstatic all-embracing state of consciousness taking place then. I was not instructed or told anything about “holding my breath”, nor was I TRYING to hold my breath. It was also different from the ordinary sensation of holding your breath because there was no strain, no volition, no effort in it.

        This seems like some very advanced stuff, though, far from the beginner’s level. But it is an amazing and unique phenomenon.

        I believe it’s somehow related to, or the beginning of, the amazing psychosomatic control some yogis are reputed to have over their bodies. Like slowing the heart rate/pulse, increasing or decreasing body temperature, etc. It also (somehow, possibly) seems related to the possible immortalization of the body sought after or held to be possible in some traditions. (Taoist immortality yoga, the alleged immortal Indian Rishis or long lived Naths of the Shaivite tradition, like Matsyendranath or Gorakhnath).

        I did not experience it again after, but from it, I’m inclined to give you some credit, as it’s a rarer, more obscure phenomenon not often brought up much in people’s accounts of meditation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >This seems like some very advanced stuff, though, far from the beginner’s level. But it is an amazing and unique phenomenon.
          when I began, I basically spent the first year troubleshooting my breath actions and trying to improve it towards executing a perfect breath for my present cardiovascular rate. once I knew the ingredient and how to execute properly, it took me a further 3 months to make a form of samahdi manifest.
          its really all in the method and execution, if you have a good method and execute it seriously, one just about cant fail at this stage of training.
          >I believe it’s somehow related to, or the beginning of, the amazing psychosomatic control some yogis are reputed to have over their bodies.
          definitely, as the channels are energized and "opened" (that is to say, they can accommodate a higher flux more safely) then the connection to one's conscious intent is fortified
          buncha years ago this lady I worked with asked me what I could do with stuff like that, so I held out my white hand and turned it red with blood within a few seconds. she looked at me funny and said you're weird.
          I did do cultivations to open the laogung points in the hand and to do that properly you open the yin and yang channels of the arms
          but the stillness and amplitude cultivation are somewhat necessary to have some above baseline energy potential to work with to open the channels. all these extra keypoints do add up in the overall scheme of things.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if you have too many thoughts then contemplating and writing about them or talking with a good friend/therapist will help reduce them.
      this is quite simply a matter of training, of understanding habit energy and how it unfolds, and understanding that its complimentary opposite will not cancel the habit energy you want to get rid of
      habit energy is why the method needs a rote application and rigorous training
      when one tries this with mind only, or doesnt thoroughly master anapanasati, one winds up lacking depth and this is directly tied to the gung built up by the rote application of the method.
      boredom should cease to be a thing after one has mastered this
      but make no mistake, the deep deep states are driven by the amplitude of energy available
      and if you want to maximize the amplitude available, understand how ohm's law applies to neurology and how habit energy can drive it further or keep it from ever really getting good to begin with.
      yeah, I'm very direct, I dont have the greatest ascii bedside manner. when people present ideas that I know for a fact will majorly detract from one's overall cultivation, its just part of what any bodhisattva should do, is correct the error.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      people don't like him because
      >he's a namegay on an anonymous board
      >been proven to have no idea what he's talking about numerous times. He just starts calling people names than continues to say the same nonsense like nothing happened
      >he samegays to try to give credence to the nonsense he says
      >he's most likely the creator of the threads he posts in, like this one. He has a pathological desire to con people. Willing to bet he either tries to make his own cult or uses these threads to train his bushtit for a cult he already has. He almost certainly doesn't believe any of it at all, he just does all this out of narcissism, it's his little niche for getting validation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        funny cuz I have never created a thread on /x/
        I namegayged for a very short time because I had a handful of people keep asking me to do so, but it became too much of a pain in the ass (mostly because of douches like you)
        narcissists are the ones who cant let anyone else get built up but themselves, good job kid
        but nonetheless, stay mad because you have never ever done anything noteworthy to distinguish yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they usually end up thinking a lot about the things they want to achieve and nothing more
      bingo
      >I personally suggest that one trains his body with cardio and asanas (static or vinyasa) and then do anapanasati/pranayama/breathwork.
      based, there needs to be a combination of physical exercise and meditation. sitting for long periods harms the body, it needs to be fortified
      >The only thing I don't agree with olfactory anon is that in my opinion one should NOT use the perineum and transversus abdominis to support the exhales, one should never use any muscle.
      I picked those things up from translations of hundreds years old classics, its not some arbitrary thing I invented. I began my training with 3 years of taking breathwork to its logical conclusions from these translations and the words of masters both in person and suggestions here and there from books written. basically what I present is a distillation of all of this material, through the filters of my own accomplishments that I verified for myself though the eye of my own experience. my notes and distillations are imbued with the troubleshooting I had to go through in order to make what happened happen.
      for the most part, to this day, I havent spoken with a single other person that has experienced what I have in the repeatable way that I have, with the exceptions of the obscure words of the old ones.
      extracting every last efficiency is rather important. without doing it, "the external breath disappears" never happens and the "dantien" enhancing aspects of the meditative breath are kneecapped without attacking this and mastering it.
      just about everyone you hear speak of samahdi, its rare, its an accident of manifestation, you're lucky to have it happen, maybe it will come again some day.
      no. you attack it in rote fashion as if you're a professional. you give it that level of importance, you set the stage so thoroughly it comes every day without fail unless you do something to frick it up.

      >if you have too many thoughts then contemplating and writing about them or talking with a good friend/therapist will help reduce them.
      this is quite simply a matter of training, of understanding habit energy and how it unfolds, and understanding that its complimentary opposite will not cancel the habit energy you want to get rid of
      habit energy is why the method needs a rote application and rigorous training
      when one tries this with mind only, or doesnt thoroughly master anapanasati, one winds up lacking depth and this is directly tied to the gung built up by the rote application of the method.
      boredom should cease to be a thing after one has mastered this
      but make no mistake, the deep deep states are driven by the amplitude of energy available
      and if you want to maximize the amplitude available, understand how ohm's law applies to neurology and how habit energy can drive it further or keep it from ever really getting good to begin with.
      yeah, I'm very direct, I dont have the greatest ascii bedside manner. when people present ideas that I know for a fact will majorly detract from one's overall cultivation, its just part of what any bodhisattva should do, is correct the error.

      t. olfactoryanon bump and samegayging his own thread

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you had half a brain you could figure out that it wasnt me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm more inclined to think you're olfactoryanon faking persecution than I am to think the first poster you linked is.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which meditation method is the most effective for achieving stream entry?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      mindfulness+jhanas, but i bet serious practice of mindfulness alone can get you stream entry, like mindfulness of death of the body and of the breath

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mindfulness
        Just watching the breath go in and out? This leads to jhanas? Or to liberation?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          fine tuning required

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean? The instructions are too vague

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there's more to it than just inhalation and exhalation
            here, here's a shortcut
            draw a warm bath
            lay back in it so that the water goes against your eardrums
            notice how loud your breath is and how much you sniff at the air
            learn how to breathe so that there's no turbulence and you cant hear it in the bath
            carry this to seated meditation
            get at least 3 sessions per day in
            long one at the end but the others can be short
            catch a few minutes wherever you can, a moment every time you think of it
            coherent compressions of the peritoneum are required for optimal gung

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >reads the most b***h ass normie daoist texts he could find, translated none the less
            > I have found the secret technique, bruh. I know millions of people have read those over the years but I alone know the secret Daoist teaching to advance in ...Buddhism
            /x/ distilled in one post lel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the secret Daoist teaching to advance in ...Buddhism
            reminder that inventing an argument out of pieces of someone else's posts is completely a logical fallacy and is unacceptable

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            reminder that claiming to be versed in multiple traditions is the most basic way to deflect from the bullshit you spew
            >oh you think that's bullshit and I don't understand Buddhism? Nah bro, that's from daoism
            >oh you think that's bullshit and I don't understand daoism? Nah bro, that's from western kundalini magick rituals, etc
            The guy is switching from tradition to tradition every time someone points to how much crap he spews. This whole thread was about Buddhist meditation and the moment people started questioning he switched to daoism

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This whole thread was about Buddhist meditation
            go read the OP, this thread is not about "buddhist meditation"
            and go learn something if you think there's no overlap between buddhist and daist methods
            if you think there's no commonality then really you simply dont belong in this discussion, you should be lurking in order to learn a little something

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >reminder that claiming to be versed in multiple traditions is the most basic way to deflect from the bullshit you spew
            reminder that attempting to deflect criticism upon the accuser is also a logical fallacy called tu quoque
            prove to me you have a brain in your head and address me without logical fallacy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >stream entry without jhana

        At the very minimum, a finger snap's moment of first jhāna is needed for stream entry.
        it's a necessary conclusion from both deduction and inference after reading all the suttas.
        Otherwise, how could an eightfold path, the only path that leads to nirvana, mention 4 jhānas under right samādhi, but neglect to mention there is a special kind of inferior samādhi that leads to nirvana?

        https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Section0007.html#sigil_toc_id_53

        Breath meditation is an ideal practice for giving rise to strong states of concentration, called jhana.
        >Jhana then provides an ideal basis for fostering the insights that can free the mind from its habitual ways of causing itself suffering and stress.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Section0003.html

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/IntoTheStream/Contents.html

        Thank you, anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/IntoTheStream/Contents.html

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think I have OCD but what can I do to stop ruminating on the future and past?

    How do I stop worrying about everything and be present with inner harmony?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you have to find something else to think about, ideally more interesting or more calming, which makes you grow spiritually, something which anchors your attention and is beneficial so this

      mindfulness+jhanas, but i bet serious practice of mindfulness alone can get you stream entry, like mindfulness of death of the body and of the breath

      but metta meditation is already good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >grow spiritually
        I do have an interest in said topic, I’m tired of just wrestling with my thoughts all the time. Really I’m just bored all the time, so my minds addicted to chaos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/WithEachAndEveryBreath/Section0005.html#sigil_toc_id_26

      One of the mind’s most basic habits is to create thought-worlds and then to inhabit them. This is what the Buddha meant by becoming. The ability to engage in becoming is often a useful skill, as it enables you to use your imagination in planning for the future and contemplating lessons from the past. But this skill can become a destructive habit, as you create thought-worlds that develop greed, aversion, delusion, and other destructive mental habits. Your ability to plan for the future can turn into worries that can destroy your peace of mind. Your ability to relive the past can make you miserable in the present.

      One of the important skills in meditation is learning how to turn these thought-worlds off and on at will, so that you can think when you need to think, and stop thinking when you don’t. In this way, the mind’s ability to create thought-worlds won’t cause it harm.

      In the beginning stages of meditation, you need a few quick and easy rules to help you decide whether a thought is worth following or not. Otherwise, you’ll get sucked into every thought-world that can deceive you into thinking that it deserves your attention. So while you’re learning to focus on the breath, hold to a simple rule:
      >Any thought connected with improving your focus on the breath is okay. Any other thought has to be dropped.

      There are five basic strategies in dealing with wandering thoughts. Each of them helps to strengthen your concentration. But each can also give lessons in discernment.

      1. Return to the breath.
      2. Focus on the drawbacks of letting yourself stay distracted.
      3. Ignore the thoughts.
      4. Relax the tension that keeps the thought going.
      5. Suppress the thought.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Meditation is about being super duper ultra observant and attentive from a neutral point of view. Usually your mind will want to create scenarios like said (he described them as thought-worlds) but you can NOT become absorbed by them and stay in your neutral state instead, and as "olfactory anon" says you can indeed focus on your body and breath and this will regulate it (in a kind of automated way - no need to think about it nor analyze it), good luck anon, you are not your thoughts nor emotions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but you can NOT become absorbed by them
          it is utterly imperative to immediately return to the training the moment you notice its taking place
          THIS is how you kill the thinking habit!
          >good luck anon, you are not your thoughts nor emotions.
          based, although I like to clarify the whole thought part and differentiate between consciously initiated thought vs ones that randomly arise unprompted by you
          some crazy people have suggested that these mind clearing effects somehow prevent one from thinking, which is absolutely not the case at all, if anything, thinking becomes much more clear and directed with less chance for tangent

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    “‘This Dhamma is for one whose mind is concentrated, not for one whose mind is unconcentrated.’ Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said?

    There is the case where a monk—quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful qualities—enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation.

    With the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters & remains in the second jhana: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance.

    With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhana, of which the Noble Ones declare, ‘Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.’

    With the abandoning of pleasure & pain—as with the earlier disappearance of elation & distress—he enters & remains in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain.

    ‘This Dhamma is for one whose mind is concentrated, not for one whose mind is unconcentrated.’ Thus was it said. And with reference to this was it said.

  26. 1 month ago
    sage

    “How to Meditate”
    By: Lawrence LeShawn.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A Course on Early Buddhist Meditation by Bhante Sujato
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL70fWqztn7OVo4h1RSRfuIzmb83S6O5Qt

    A Course on Early Buddhist Meditation is a series of ten long-format talks on meditation by Bhante Sujato. The curriculum derives from the early suttas, particularly from the Theravada tradition.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A Review of “The Jhānas and the Lay Disciple According to the Pāli Suttas”

    https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/a-review-of-the-jhanas-and-the-lay-disciple-according-to-the-pali-suttas/31233/1

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It seems the author does not realize this, but his conclusions also implicitly add weight to the argument that samādhi is not “concentration” on an object. This is because the recollections of the Triple Gem, virtue and generosity, the “pleasant abidings here and now”―a term for samādhi―cannot be taken as “objects” to give one’s fixed attention to in any meaningful way.
      I agree with this, awareness cannot be taken as an object in any meaningful way
      the reason to thoroughly master anapanasati is that it sets the practitioner straight on the cultivation of awareness itself

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/HeartFlowing/06-thinking-about-jhana.html

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Read this.

    Go to India and ask a doctor for a lobotomy and permanent institutionalization.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I bet at least one doctor in a poor African country would be willing to perform one if not India / Pakistan.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I do breathing exercises.
    Focus on your forhead. Unfocus your eyes, the longer you can maintain this the better. Youll constantly drop out of this as you will become aware of being an observer but for a bit you will be able to achieve "flowstate"
    I dont think you can close your eyes for this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Focus on your forhead.
      the true wisdom eye is in the midbrain
      >I dont think you can close your eyes for this
      bollocks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No its true. I do think this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you may think that, but its not correct

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I kinda look at meditation as awake dreaming, i just fall asleep if i close my eyes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I kinda look at meditation as awake dreaming
            incorrect view
            mental activity is antithetical to meditation

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used to meditate for 2 years trying to focus on my breath with little to no effort.
    I don't why my nearly daily practice was a failure but I think it was because I was overthinking it too much and I was mostly daydreaming instead of focusing.

    This olfactory anon has convinced me: I will take this path of deepening and slowing/silencing my breath and do it every day, let's see if what he preaches had any effect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      reminder that it takes roughly 2 months to form a new habit and solidify the habit energy
      good luck fren

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Occasional strong temperature shifts in the middle of simple meditations sessions of being still ¿What they normally mean? What I have observed is that they are mainly related to moments of intense mental activity during meditation, like some sort of release. don't happens often but i sweat like a pig when it doess. ¿ Any insight?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      difficult to say with such a small amount of information on the situation

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe it some unpleasant memory that's bubbling up. There can also be sensations like that when the senses start to calm down

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I tried this olfactory guy's "technique" these past 3 days.

    I did one 30 minute session in the morning and one in the night.
    What I went for was focusing on my body, the feeling of my body being here for the first ~5 minutes.
    Then I tried to deepen my breath without struggling, it was hard at first but after some time it gets easier.
    And yes, I can say that slower and deeper breath reduces the flow of thoughts which tend to take my focus away on daydreaming.
    It's amazing how many thoughts my mind produces and how calm and nice I felt after these thoughts were reduced in number.
    Also I felt a lot more grounded, I felt my whole body as being a single stable object which was taking in air and letting it out - it felt as the breathing was done by my whole body as one and not only from my lungs/diaphragm.

    Keep in mind that I've been training meditation techniques for ~7 years now so I do have some experience in sitting, not everyone is going to feel the benefits of this pranayama/breathwork/whatever technique.

    But yeah, for me it seems that fixing my breath was the missing piece.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Glad you evolved brother. I don't meant to depreciate the guy's teachings but body awareness meditation and some breathwork (especially the "Make breaths as slow and deep as you can") should be a cornerstone of most people (not all people since some have a good breathing pattern and relaxed body already, I think that even olfactory said that some carry their spiritual gains from the previous lives).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >body awareness meditation and some breathwork (especially the "Make breaths as slow and deep as you can") should be a cornerstone of most people
        well I mean that's what I'm saying, aint I?
        I just took a neurological angle on a few things and the correlations held very well
        so I try to pass on the things I had to do with my body to troubleshoot it and get there

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >some carry their spiritual gains from the previous lives
        to a certain extent this is true, mostly what it means is that you learn very quickly "things you've already done before"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it felt as the breathing was done by my whole body as one
      this is a good stage to get to, but a beginner shouldnt rush to get there quickly
      the huo hou tu indicates that one should quickly and confidently gather the ingredient for the foundation, but the turtle above it before breaking into the line pairs indicates one should take time getting from the foundation to differentiating these things
      but yes, its good to study the anatomical connections to the meridians, but one shouldnt visualize them
      when the cultivation is sufficient one will automatically see them, you cant fake that funk and there's no need to try and dream it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not only from my lungs/diaphragm
      and as divers know, there's not much innervation in the lungs for feelings to be had directly from there, but they key is to not involve any structure that air touches, so no sniffing at the air, instead only involve all of the lower parts to induce appropriate compressions upon the peritoneum (natural vs reverse does the compressions differently, natural has a yinyang mix on the inhales & exhales, reverse is all yang inhale all yin exhale. reverse is another thing I teach a bit differently because I consider the huiyin more important than the front of the abdomen...back to another reference for "the external breath disappears")
      I reference the peritoneum because all of the things you want to move while doing meditative breath have the peritoneum as the next layer internally
      the lungs dont touch it and neither do the airways
      everything above the diaphragm is left slack
      the air passes through the nose but the nose does not assist in its travel
      for if it does then it necessarily draws air across the olfactory nerve endings and creates that neural signal-amplitude that goes into the midbrain for processing
      this thwarts meditative progress in several ways
      it stimulates the heart to beat more and faster, preventing deeper and longer breaths
      cranial nerves appear to feed back upon one another so it winds up being a sense-heightening action
      also sniffing at the air takes some of the air pressure balancing job off of the diaphragm, which means the diaphragm isnt doing as much work as it should, this makes the breath shallower from an internal perspective
      this becomes crucial when working on the transitions between inhale and exhale so that you dont buffer the incoming air with your sinuses make the transitions as smooth as possible

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Great stuff thank you.
        One question: What does this part mean: "so that you dont buffer the incoming air with your sinuses"? What does buffer mean here?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >What does buffer mean here?
          verb
          verb: buffer; 3rd person present: buffers; past tense: buffered; past participle: buffered; gerund or present participle: buffering

          1.
          lessen or moderate the impact of (something).

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meditate on something easy in the beginning. Like the word fear and see what flashes up in your mind.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Meditate on something easy in the beginning. Like the word fear and see what flashes up in your mind.
      no, this is daydreaming, and daydreaming isnt meditation
      its very important that you all understand this
      the faculty of thinking eats up all available potential that meditative phenomena would otherwise use as fuel to arise
      thinking, contemplation, literally preclude the very things one wants to generate in meditation
      but for those of you who like to include their intentions, I will pass along a teaching one of my teachers gave
      it can help set the mind straight and not do that part during meditation
      do all of your meditation prep, including relaxation
      gather the intent in your mind
      and bring your curled hand up to your mouth, and blow this intention out with an exhale as you open your hand
      you have given your intention to the universe
      now forget it completely and proceed with your session
      and do not think about it again during that session

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This should be a general. This is the fricking spiritual board god damn it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Generals attract homosexualry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To some extent it depends on the bread maker.

        >T. Usual baker of two generals.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >more of the namegay talking to himself
    Let the thread die already moron, rather than bumping and samegayging to keep it alive

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Close your eyes and don’t think about anything.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe some guru here happens to know, but I like to focus on specific body parts when it comes to enhancing my cognitive performance.
    When I focus on the back of my head / brain, I tend to get immediate results, but also start getting sick a short period after (colds, nausea, weakness etc).
    I'm wondering if this is a negative thing or whether it's some kinda detox I'm experiencing and I should stick with it for a longer period of time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen plenty of masters give the advice not to play around randomly with the brain

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hard to give a good answer without knowing what hidden assumptions do have and are you forcing or relaxing to the practice.
      Normal for the body to join in by releasing stagnant energies through symptoms, has this been ongoing for many months?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It happens whenever I try to practice it and I'd say I'm moreso forcing it than relaxing into it
        So far I'm def leaning towards it having negative consequences after hearing this and

        I've seen plenty of masters give the advice not to play around randomly with the brain

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Put your focus on helping the chakras wake up, free of forcing and manipulation. Simply feed them fresh energy, ask your soul or guides to assist, they will connect you to the infinite source.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The olfactory guy also said that alcohol kills all my meditation gainz, is it true? Can't I enjoy half a litre of beer every week?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The olfactory guy also said that alcohol kills all my meditation gainz, is it true? Can't I enjoy half a litre of beer every week?
      can you really stick to just a half liter, kek
      once you get to a stage where something like metta naturally arises as a byproduct of proper cultivation, you will notice much more clearly how much accelerants detract

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Find a hobby like art exercise singing or simply working
    And allow your mind to wander
    Focus on everything in your own body and mind or clear your mind completely.

    I guess.
    I haven't meditated fully in years.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what's the best meditation routine (post it if you have it please <3) for ADHD and anxiety? i want to enter the fricking focus zone when i need ffs

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To answer all these adhd/ocd/anxiety anons: I was like you last summer until I read olfactory's posts (you can find him in most meditation threads in 4plebs) and I practiced every day.

    Sure it can be painful to do 2 and 3 sits of ~20+ mins every day but after some months you will surely see results.

    What I did was first sit and try to be with a straight spine without struggling, after 5 mins of this I progressively relaxed my face and head muscles, then my shoulders, chest and arms (also the muscle grooup around the armpits).

    Then I went down to the next muscle: my diaphragm, it was hard to feel it at first but after some weeks I was able to feel it really good and I realized how extremely tight it was. Making it descend even a bit during inhalation was extemely hard and I took it really slow so I wouldn't stress my body.

    Of course tons of thoughts came and took my focus away, strong emotions also, just ignore them all and return to relaxing and deepening your breath.
    It's amazing how all these years I was living in my mind and I never cared about my body, I could never imagine that fixing my breathing could be so important and bring me so much peace. I'm not saying that I am free of my compulsive thoughs and anxiety 100% but I am surely at a better place now and I will continue practicing.

    It's how oldactory says: meditation is not a thinking activity, you don't need thoughts for this one, your mind may tell you that feeling your body and relaxing it is dumb and that the mind's 1001 stories and theories is what is important but believe me: they are not.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does a sleep mask help in any way in either practices?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It helps if you can't make your room very dark. Also ear protection/earbuds help, the less distractions the better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      eh, the trigeminal nerve is a rather loud one
      consider all the inputs from the various cranial nerves
      earplugs, however...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you need aids like that in your practice, you probably might want to consider finding a more intense practice..

      It helps if you can't make your room very dark. Also ear protection/earbuds help, the less distractions the better.

      This guy will keep you trapped in the wheel forever
      and have you develop 0 jhanas

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you need aids like that in your practice, you probably might want to consider finding a more intense practice..
        what a meme, if one needs aids in practice then one needs to develop methods of focus more solidly
        in this case just going for "a more intense practice" is pretty much the last thing one should do

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >coming to /x/ to give shit tier and often contraindicated advice
            my sentiments exactly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not bad to use those until you grow out of em, journey starts with one step and whatnot, meditation is pretty cool

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >more intense practice
        what does that mean and how does it relate to using aids,i'm confused

        is there a practice where imagination is used thus blocking out all light and imagining with open eyes a thing? i think i could have asked this first to be more down to the point
        also earplugs may help? but i have tinnitus so yeah...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          try to find dark where you may
          earplugs are good
          dont listen to that other asshat telling you ignorant things

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kundalini Yoga

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >set a time, and a place to meditate daily.
    >set it up, so there is no effort in setting it up
    >just have a place to sit
    >focus
    >eyes open
    >slightly relaxed
    >focused on the nose
    >breathe in slowly for 6 counts
    >hold for 3 counts
    >out slowly for 6 counts
    >hold for 3 counts
    >repeat
    >when your mind wanders from focusing on the breathe
    >gently return it to focusing on the breathe
    >Patrice Hatha yoga to make sitting for longer periods of time comfortable for the body

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One time I meditated so effectively I annihilated my inner voice. A friend of mine asked for my opinion on something and it was like I'd forgotten how to form an opinion. This lasted for about a week. What the hell happened?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cont.

      I wasn't trying to and it freaked me out. I tried breathing as intentionally as I could whenever I remembered to. And I spent all my mental energy observing things instead of letting my mind react to them. I didn't give it any room to breathe.

      "Someone is calling me. They say I have a special-order waiting at the bookstore."

      "The wind is blowing through the trees. A bird is chirping. A man and his dog are walking in my direction. A car is passing me. A blue car passed me. My shoes are tied too tightly. A truck is coming up behind me, it's loud. A huge and loud truck just passed me. A dog is barking. The intersection is busy."

      "The bookstore is full of people. This shelf has a rainbow assortment of journals. My hold is ready to be picked up."

      "It's raining. I didn't bring an umbrella. There's a puddle in front of me, I'm walking around it. My sleeve is soaked through."

      A couple weeks of narrating my moment-to-moment like that and all my thoughts were gone. I haven't tried it since.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Experiences like this scare me. Do you think it's because you only observed external things? When I meditate I observe both external and internal things, so my thoughts are included. I hope that means I won't forget how to think.

        So it's more like "It's raining. I didn't bring an umbrella. I'm disappointed. I'm getting a memory of rain on my college campus. The water feels uncomfortable. A song is playing in my head. I wonder which people I know like rain and which don't."

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there's a reason certain practices are contraindicated for certain conditions
    anyone that has adhd or shit like that needs to work on the lower centers and stay out of their head

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indeed. I am this anon here

      To answer all these adhd/ocd/anxiety anons: I was like you last summer until I read olfactory's posts (you can find him in most meditation threads in 4plebs) and I practiced every day.

      Sure it can be painful to do 2 and 3 sits of ~20+ mins every day but after some months you will surely see results.

      What I did was first sit and try to be with a straight spine without struggling, after 5 mins of this I progressively relaxed my face and head muscles, then my shoulders, chest and arms (also the muscle grooup around the armpits).

      Then I went down to the next muscle: my diaphragm, it was hard to feel it at first but after some weeks I was able to feel it really good and I realized how extremely tight it was. Making it descend even a bit during inhalation was extemely hard and I took it really slow so I wouldn't stress my body.

      Of course tons of thoughts came and took my focus away, strong emotions also, just ignore them all and return to relaxing and deepening your breath.
      It's amazing how all these years I was living in my mind and I never cared about my body, I could never imagine that fixing my breathing could be so important and bring me so much peace. I'm not saying that I am free of my compulsive thoughs and anxiety 100% but I am surely at a better place now and I will continue practicing.

      It's how oldactory says: meditation is not a thinking activity, you don't need thoughts for this one, your mind may tell you that feeling your body and relaxing it is dumb and that the mind's 1001 stories and theories is what is important but believe me: they are not.

      and this is what I did, I totally ignored my thoughts (and emotions)(I just acknowledge them and I don't dive into "experiencing" them) and I focused on my tensed body and I literally felt it into relaxation (what I mean with this is that by just feeling a spot then this spot gets relaxed without much effort on my part of doing the relaxation).

      Then I deepen my inhalations and I also try to prolong my exhalations without tensing my body, this trained both relaxation and concentration. You can't imagine how tight my diaphragm was and it took hours to make it go deeper.

      Dunno about others who suffer from ADHD/OCD/etc but I think that in my case they were probably developed because I was repeatedly abused as a child and I spent my years from 15 to 25 years old sitting in front of a pc screen scrolling my life away.
      I think that because of those events my body became tensed and so did my diaphragm.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I just acknowledge them and I don't dive into "experiencing" them
        yes
        but in truth even this isnt entirely necessary
        its most important though about the not furthering them part i.e. "experiencing"
        >I focused on my tensed body and I literally felt it into relaxation (what I mean with this is that by just feeling a spot then this spot gets relaxed without much effort on my part of doing the relaxation)
        this is very good
        ohm's law applies to cultivation in a few ways
        lowering resistance is very important
        relaxation does this for the physical writ large
        but when we get to the neurological, this is when sense inputs themselves increase r
        >You can't imagine how tight my diaphragm was and it took hours to make it go deeper
        excellent, keep going
        we all have different conditions and battles
        its good to do the self inquiry to find the particulars that will help your particular situation

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you, I overcame a lot, even addictions to drugs but now I am free, my journey begins now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you were always on a journey, fren
            we all are

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just be super attentive of everything which falls/pops up in your awareness.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thoughts upon thoughts upon thoughts, changing old thoughts for new "awareness" "present moment" thoughts.
      Whoever brought these moronic teachings west should be shot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dont blame the teachings for idiots not understanding them
        the cultivation of awareness is based
        the cultivation of ruminating is moronic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dont blame the teachings for idiots not understanding them
        the cultivation of awareness is based
        the cultivation of ruminating is moronic

        I understand my friends but if you become super attentive then one day you will be so good at observing thoughts that you will be untouched by them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I already explained that you cannot silence thought via thought
          this is not speculation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't say to think, I said that you observe the thoughts - that you are aware of them.
            Thus you cultivate awareness through watching them until you become 100% unattached from them.

            I admire you mr olfactory anon (if its you) but your way is not the only way and it's not the best way because there isn't a best way which works best for the majority of people!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            maybe this is just a semantics issue
            there is only keeping the awareness
            noticing departures from it is just part of the proper course
            you notice its happening and immediately stop it and return to the cultivation, whatever it is
            but there's simply no point in "watching thoughts"
            the root action is cultivation
            which is not thought
            ergo there is no reason at all to "watch thoughts"
            when you get to the point of really having pared all of this back
            you discover that its energetic perturbations in the midbrain causing the thoughts to arise
            keeping the awareness focused is the only way to keep the energy dynamic in the midbrain solid
            when the energy deforms there, bubbles form like carbonation in a glass of beer
            if the energy bubble detaches from the midbrain's energy-dynamic
            then a random thought is imminent
            but it takes a lot of refinement to get to that point where you can notice this happening
            sorry to nitpick about verbiage but words mean things, so in order to give you guys a very exacting depiction of what's taking place
            I must sometimes be a grammar nazi

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I see.
            You teach that cultivating awareness through anapanasati is the right way.
            So one can not cultivate awareness through watching thoughts? Why not?

            Or anapanasati is the way towards samadhi which is where the true cultivation happens? (maybe this is the awareness watching awareness thing people speak of?)
            Sorry if I'm overloading the conversation, ignore everything if anything you wish from what I said.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You teach that cultivating awareness through anapanasati is the right way.
            anapanasati is simply the best way that will establish the most rigor and efficiency. its of course not the only way, but that said the absolute dearth of the things I mention I feel are an issue that says there's some very crucial part of teachings that are by and large not being conveyed these days.
            >So one can not cultivate awareness through watching thoughts? Why not?
            when you engage the mind, it is using the same base energy that meditative phenomena require to arise. without this sufficient baseline level, one is simply not going to manifest meditative phenomena, or exceedingly rarely. the idea is to train thoroughly so that these things arise like clockwork every day. seeing people mention samahdi manifesting like clockwork every single day is very rare, too rare, and since I achieved it, I would like to let other sentient beings know and understand how and why it happens.
            >samadhi which is where the true cultivation happens? (maybe this is the awareness watching awareness thing people speak of?)
            yes, I've said before that once you really master anapanasati, its more or less an awareness game. but from this awareness game I've come to understand the mechanism by which random thoughts manifest. so understanding this, we can learn to preclude their arising and let things build for the real phenomena.
            >Sorry if I'm overloading the conversation, ignore everything if anything you wish from what I said.
            no not at all, I think it is excellent that these questions get asked. its why books like the yellow emperor's classic of medicine is more or less presented in this style-format.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry for taking a whole day to respond.
            I wanted to thank you.

            So to train the body to be relaxed and for the breath to be slow, deep and without turbulence is the basis of the meditative state.
            My overanalyzing mind can't accept this but something deep inside of me wants to accept it.

            It's funny because about 10 years ago when I began my spiritual journey my instinct was telling me that body awareness/relaxation and deep breathing should be my start, but instead I went into awareness of thoughts meditation and reading philosophy and all this got me was depression.
            But now I am taking the route which you suggest.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So to train the body to be relaxed and for the breath to be slow, deep and without turbulence is the basis of the meditative state.
            train thoroughly, train often
            humans are habitual creatures, so a habit has to be formed of this
            when the great stillness arises, its the most quiet thing you've ever experienced
            when the spark of samahdi leaps forth from it, its the most amazing profound thing you've ever experienced, to the extent that the spark will immediately be extinguished by your surprise the first time it happens
            this is why you cultivate in rote fashion, train diligently
            for that sets the conditions for the spark to return again soon
            every day, when you're doing it right and its all well ingrained
            train diligently, train seriously, ingrain the habit
            and at these things you will not fail

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like to meditate while working out (lifting sandbags). it's incredibly refreshing to just completely empty both my body and mind then slowly experience them refilling a few times a week.

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does one attain mindfulness by letting go of being a control freak and thinking all the time?

    Entering a flow state with life and learn to manifest?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How does one attain mindfulness by letting go of being a control freak and thinking all the time?
      if you've read this thread then you've already read the answer

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I could never figure it out. I would start projecting unintentionally when I was at my sink. I often breath deep there, use cold water to wash my face and hands, you know just relax there for a minute. Then one day it happened. It hit me like a bolt of lightning, there I was talking to my grandfather, and my son on a totally different time line.

    Then I realized. I had been reading about the Annunaki the last few days. I was facing south (true north), sun rising.. it all fit.

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Breathing. I'll try and give my best explanation, but this is how real hardcore monks or whatever do it, and why they say to "focus" on your breathing

    forgive my crude drawing but I'm on my phone

    Ok, so, essentially you can feel air going in and out of your nose. It takes focus and you might get it immediately or after a lot of training, everyone is different

    I drew the inhale and exhale with a curve on purpose, because it really does feel like a curved motion when you get it.

    You inhale in, and you feel a curved sensation at your nostrils, this is the air coming in

    You exhale, and likewise feel a curved sensation under your nostrils

    If you don't get it at once, just focus, close your eyes, and turn all attention to your nostrils. It's what all the Buddhist and Hindus say.

    After a while, it'll get easier to do and easier to retain. Once you're really good at it, mediation REALLY begins. Random thoughts, almost divine revelations, extreme time dilation, these are just a few of the things you can actually experience

    It's happened to me multiple times when I have entire, what feel like, 30 minute conversations with myself, before I suddenly remember "oh, yeah, exhale" and I realize all of that just happened mid breathing

    It really is magical and helpful and all this and all that, super addictive once you get it which is why real monks are meditating all the time, because it's the coolest shit in the world

    Don't get bogged down by white people telling you "oh just breath, and let go" they have no idea what they're talking about. They're using meditation as a means to validate their crazy delusions. Their lives suck, so of course they're like, "meditation just helps me be calm for 30 minutes, it's a great way to disconnect" wtf? That's so moronic

    Meditation is real, it's not a superpower, but very very trippy. Good luck

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So you just focus on that? And that's all?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      your picrel is precisely wrong, and I'll tell you why
      sniffing at the air necessarily draws air across the olfactory nerve, stimulating it
      this neural stimulation should be eliminated for all of the cranial nerves
      it is essential if one wishes to extract every last efficiency
      and eliminate the root of randomly generated thoughts
      this is a very big key to what I've been teaching here and I have provided excellent and solid reasoning why things are as I say they are in this area

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >30 minute conversations with myself
      not meditation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >turn all attention to your nostrils. It's what all the Buddhist and Hindus say
      this is actually a mishmash of teachings
      certain things are done with the eyes at later stages
      but its not important in the context of building the foundation
      all that's required upstairs for that is to know that the seat of awareness is in the midbrain
      the air should pass through the nostrils unaided by any of the structures that actually come into contact with the air
      the why is the nerve stimulation
      if you're always buffering the incoming air with the nostrils, then the action of the diaphragm is lessened, the breath is shallower, and the energetic efficiency is decreased
      the old classics indicate this without saying it in modern terms

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Listen to Cult of Fire's Moksha or Aesthetic meditation of Death. Continuously.

    But you already knew that.

    Hara Hara Mahadeva.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >’grow, grow, grow’

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