Matter isn't fundamental

everything is consciousness, and consciousness is indepentend from matter, matter does not exist in itself it is created by consciousness.
I abhor materialism, and hate materialists with a passion I can't put into words, they are the ultimate Hylics in the world

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Put a loaded gun to your head and pull the trigger. My money is on the “materialist” bullet purging your cranium.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't mean jackshit.
      I have a feeling you have no clue of what the argument means

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        consciousnes is corelated but not caused by matter, so a bullet to the brain would mean nothing as far as consciousness is concerned, it would not die since it is not material.

        >would absolutely die from a gsw to the head and no longer be conscious of anything

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >no longer be conscious of anything
          big assumption.
          last time i checked, the "hard problem of consciousness" was still unresolved and the vedic people have brought forth good reasons for what OP is talking about.

          dumb materialist hylic!
          i would say kys but you have no end!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      consciousnes is corelated but not caused by matter, so a bullet to the brain would mean nothing as far as consciousness is concerned, it would not die since it is not material.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Prove it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          "One believes he is the slayer, another believes he is the slain. Both are ignorant; there is neither slayer nor slain. You were never born; you will never die. You have never changed; you can never change. Unborn, eternal, immutable, immemorial, you do not die when the body dies." (Bhagavad Gita 2.19-20)

          there you go

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is no self precisely because the universe is physical. No souls, no magic, just complex arrangements of atoms producing consciousness. Self is an illusion and we are all the same consciousness but within each individual experience there is only the information from within that brain.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I remember being this smug and ignorant. So I'm in no position to judge.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but how does this belief help me get money, power, or women

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in a purely materialistic universe manifesting would be obviously impossible

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe, but it would also be possible to manifest things by coincidence. But you could also argue that television and radio are impossible in a “materialistic” universe. Our brain waves may affect others in ways we don’t understand. Either way, manifestation is obviously limited by something. No one has been able to affect a random number generator. Just randomly generate numbers 1-10 100 times and try to manifest getting a certain number 30 times. What’s so hard about this? You’re not even trying to affect someone else, so there’s no karma attached. And yet,

        You. Can. Not. Do. It.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you could also argue that television and radio are impossible in a “materialistic” universe.

          we do not live in a materialistic universe, that's what I'm saying

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on what you mean by “material.” Electromagnetism is still physics. So what you’re really trying to argue is that physicalism isn’t true because of consciousness. But if consciousness creates everything, what are the odds of everything following the laws of physics? Why would consciousness create a world so detailed, with brains that are mostly material, and yet not find a way to explain consciousness in terms of the physical? Is it not possible for consciousness to create a world where consciousness can be explained by physics?

            I think the simple answer is that we just don’t know how consciousness works, that’s all

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >what are the odds of everything following the laws of physics?
            Except that's the thing. The laws of quantum physics point away from this universe being purely and soley material. Photons act as waves until they are forced into a particle upon observation. Information can travel faster than the speed of light and material can phase through barriers via quantum tunneling. Material reality is an illusion. You experience the so-called material world completely immaterially. But to get back to topic as this is /x/, look at shit like the Miracle of the Son or Mandela Effect. People like psychoactive substances to trip but this life is a trip when you stop and think about it. What even is any of this. Like a dream or hallucination.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          difference being there is no meaning or willpower in affecting random numbers being the same. you simply do. not. care.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And yet you LoAtards do the ladder and tennis ball experiments to prove that it’s real. So before trying to LARP, why not prove that it’s real? It’s just numbers on a screen, what’s so hard about it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            because the numbers dont mean anything!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It would literally prove that manifestation is real and you would never lose faith again. Seems pretty meaningful to me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            its not a direct will that a number be repeated. it is (future forecasting) something that will maybe have a desired effect. that's not your will you just want the desired effect.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on what you mean by “material.” Electromagnetism is still physics. So what you’re really trying to argue is that physicalism isn’t true because of consciousness. But if consciousness creates everything, what are the odds of everything following the laws of physics? Why would consciousness create a world so detailed, with brains that are mostly material, and yet not find a way to explain consciousness in terms of the physical? Is it not possible for consciousness to create a world where consciousness can be explained by physics?

          I think the simple answer is that we just don’t know how consciousness works, that’s all

          >Gödel's incompleteness theorems

          because the numbers dont mean anything!

          you got the point kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >maybe if I namedrop a math proof I don’t understand then that will prove consciousness is le magic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's not to prove that consciousness is magic, it's to prove that you can't prove such stupidity with numbers kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you can manifest wealth and girlfriends then why the frick can you not manifest numbers appearing on a screen? Do you think that manifestation only affects people? Well then there’s a science to it and it’s about affecting other people’s brain waves with our own brain waves. You’re not God, you can’t control the world just with your feefees, and the random number generator experiment proves it beyond a doubt. I love being right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can you manifest all that shit or are you just saying it in a hypothetical case?
            I never understand why they put the stupid neuro-waves techno-babble there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We don’t affect numbers directly. The numbers I see are outside indicators of my status in the universe. Subtle difference you wouldn’t understand.

          A better experiment would be to track which numbers occur during different mental or physical states of one’s mind and see if there’s correlation. ie red dot experiment

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh I see. If you identify as a woman then you become a woman. So just identify as someone who sees a lot of 7’s and the RNG will give you mostly 7’s KEK

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            omg I literally just disproved manifestation lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/RYyG4l1.gif

            omg I literally just disproved manifestation lol

            fricking based kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      we live in a host. you could appeal to the owner of the world-soul to manifest these things.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Basically the opposite of this guy
    https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37927214/

  4. 1 month ago
    Krishna

    atom in a physical Sphere has physical causal powers, atom in a mental Sphere has mental causal powers, because Atom/Adam is a Mimic.

    this is my theory of downward causation inspired by Empedocles and Heraclitus. a causal power according to Shoemaker (Cornell) is a function from circumstance to effect. properties are conditional causal powers. we only know the Real thru knowledge of causation.

    but Shoemaker doesn't define a circumstance, because KOS-MOS is not divided into discrete stages. That is MYTH-OS.

    rather, an analytical "circumstance" is a Sphere, called Sephiroth in Hermetic Kabbalah. So causal powers are functions from Spheres to effects.

    From this it follows that properties are constituted by the Eye of Ra (think of it sitting atop the Great Pyramid of Giza on the Great Seal, constituting the Stages of the Illuminati), from the top (Spheres) down.

    There is no fixed essence because everything is Becoming. so Democritus is right that there are Atoms but materialists are wrong to apply a fixed physical essence to those atoms.

    Rather, atom is a mimic of the Sphere.

    The Day of Judgment gives an account of how there can be mental Spheres, so now we have a theory of how mental causation is possible. mental causal powers are constituted by mental Spheres, as causal powers are functions from Spheres to effects. atom does not have a fixed essence across the Spheres, but is born again, just as baptism makes you born again in the Kingdom of God, with new causal powers as he becomes possessed by new Spheres.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is the only possible conclusion, logically. And it is confirmed by gnosis.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't you get it there is no there. It's just counciousness. Good thread.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So why the matter, love or something, like a water fall, like warm winds, like your friends. Why all this. What called us here. One in the river and one again after the falls.

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