Magic isn't really magic.

Magic isn't this mystical force, it's just science that we haven't understood yet. Just like a smartphone would be magic to someone from the 18th century. If science evolves far enough, we will be able to do anything. Extraterrestrials just understand a lot more than we do, hence why they are so paranormal to us right now.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    love is magic.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Magic means miracles meaning something happens that defies time-space causality as we understand it to function. It's the breaking of the rules of the dream and can only happen through the will of the divine.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "it's just science" never really gives the proper credit to the scientific method, which truly will always, ALWAYS be more important to regard than the actual discovery itself. Think of it this way: Newton would have accomplished nothing without the method, yet he was still wrong and Einstein was right. So one could easily propose that under the same rules, reality can yet still be more mathematically understood by following the scientific method and building upon previous and creating new fields of mathematics.

    "the world is science, not spirit" essentially discarded this notion as a thought, with the intrinsic explanation that the world has been discovered and mathematically deduced. Even though many amend that thought with, "but some of the little details aren't ironed out" they still neglect how the sciences have and thus CAN change radically over the years and massive new discoveries can be made.

    magic isn't science, no. but there IS a science to it.

    • 1 month ago
      no, buddy

      Some of the highest ranking freemasons in history would agree with you, as they saw magic partly as the proper application of science.

      Method is an important point to talk about. In ancient history our framework for understanding the world was spiritual: everything that moves is willed by life force / spirit. This was a great lens for exploring things that modern science has trouble with, like psychology. While logic is essential for understanding some things, it is useless in understanding others. Back when spiritual thinking was mainstream both methods of understanding were accepted as having merit. I personally believe an over reliance on scientific understanding is to our own detriment. We have mathematically proven that some truths cannot be proven but that doesn't remove that possibility that they can be experienced.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not exactly.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Have awareness
    >Feel emotions
    >Oh man it's a spirit or something
    >*uncountable bodies ripped open over time*
    >Nope just another animal
    >But wait I could be god
    >Nope

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Magic is knowledge, science is a method. Your premise is flawed OP.

    • 1 month ago
      no, buddy

      >Magic is knowledge
      Many would argue magic is impossible without a lack of knowledge.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can you articulate your premise beyond a retort? I don't understand your point.

        • 1 month ago
          no, buddy

          Of course. I assume you've heard the following?
          >Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
          >Arthur C. Clarke

          The reason this holds true is because if we know how something is done, like a science that is at our own level of advancement, then we no longer consider it magic. The word magic is reserved for things we are ignorant of. Many address this by coming up with their own definitions but you will find there is no consensus. Instead each perspective defines a new set of things as magic believing others are ignorant of it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Many occultists of the occult revival era described magic as occult science, however science is only a method, I don't believe a monk having a profound realization after a year of fasting and meditation would be a form of science yet the knowledge still holds true. Don't you subjecting the sacred to empiricism and scientism would lead to a much more jaded and cynical world?

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            I can answer that with an earlier post of mine

            Some of the highest ranking freemasons in history would agree with you, as they saw magic partly as the proper application of science.

            Method is an important point to talk about. In ancient history our framework for understanding the world was spiritual: everything that moves is willed by life force / spirit. This was a great lens for exploring things that modern science has trouble with, like psychology. While logic is essential for understanding some things, it is useless in understanding others. Back when spiritual thinking was mainstream both methods of understanding were accepted as having merit. I personally believe an over reliance on scientific understanding is to our own detriment. We have mathematically proven that some truths cannot be proven but that doesn't remove that possibility that they can be experienced.

            I hope you'll read the full reply but the most important bit is
            >I personally believe an over reliance on scientific understanding is to our own detriment. We have mathematically proven that some truths cannot be proven but that doesn't remove that possibility that they can be experienced.

            Also, are you aware that yoga is considered a science by many? It is based on mystical experience instead of the scientific method, but many of the traditions in yogic thought found their way into the scientific method.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's

          Of course. I assume you've heard the following?
          >Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
          >Arthur C. Clarke

          The reason this holds true is because if we know how something is done, like a science that is at our own level of advancement, then we no longer consider it magic. The word magic is reserved for things we are ignorant of. Many address this by coming up with their own definitions but you will find there is no consensus. Instead each perspective defines a new set of things as magic believing others are ignorant of it.

          only his point view. There is actually another interpretation of why magic is impossible without a lack of knowledge.
          Magic presupposes the idealistic metaphysics, in which all is consciousness and its manifestations.
          Knowledge, specifically empirical knowledge, is gained through observation of manifestations with the assumption that these manifestations are real onto themselves.
          These sort of "knowledge" would limit or even paralyze your true ability to cause change. This is why meditation is paramount whether it be spiritual enlightenment or spellcasting and stuffing yourself with too much "book knowledge" causes what's known as "intellectual blockage" in many esoteric traditions.

          • 1 month ago
            no, buddy

            I'm a big fan of the mystical perspective of knowledge, thank you for sharing it here.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it's just science that we haven't understood yet
    Some people understand it.

    https://www.christianscience.com/listen-to-science-and-health-online

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=christian+science+lecture

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"let me redefine all of the words so i can put everything in terms of how my own cult thinks!"
    >"also because i own the words now i won't let you explain yourself with your own words"
    There is more in this world than can be imagined by any single philosophy. Don't take for granted the part of the infinite that was gifted to you.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it's just
    When will you learn?

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