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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >righteous authoritarianism
    What is the opposite of righteousness, anon? What are you when you oppose objective righteousness?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      "Righteousness" is always relative, especially if you perceive the authority of self-described righteous actors as tyrannical.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Humans aren't righteous, God is. He is objectively righteous. The concept of goodness itself emanates from him. I didn't ask you about human governments. I asked you, when you oppose objective righteousness, what does that make you?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You base this on the presupposition that God is objective good. Because he said so? Because he made everything? Humans do not need supernatural entities/patrons. The tower of babel proves that objective righteousness is human supremacy. God and Satan are on the same side against humanity

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Because he said so? Because he made everything?
            No, because he is literally the metaphysical source of conceptual goodness. God isn't just "good," as in his actions do not pass the subjective moral judgements of fallen humans, God IS GOOD. This is why hell is what it is; it is just a world without God, a world without good. God doesn't force you to do anything, especially not follow him, but guess what willingly choosing to separate yourself from the metaphysical source of conceptual goodness will do to you? You will no longer be capable of experiencing good things. Demons are not happy to torture humans in hell, they do it because they know it's the only way they can really hurt God. It's purely rational and fueled by resentment. Likewise, the only way someone like you can really hurt or rebel against God is to destroy yourself and cast yourself into the pit, having been so offended that he would have the audacity to offer you life everlasting. Well, you'll get exactly what you want, little rebel. Ask Satan how his hissy fit went when you find him brooding in Sheol on the day of your death, same as he's been for millennias.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Metaphysical
            Shut the frick up you midwit, what you posted translates to, "god wrote in the scrolls that he is good". God is unnecessary and therefore not good. Humanity is good.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Shut the frick up you midwit,
            >what you posted translates to, "god wrote in the scrolls that he is good".
            No what I just posted translates to "if you want to rebel go ahead, didn't work out well for the first guy." There's no justification I could provide that would change your mind, you've already made it up. You made this thread to be agreed with. I'm just saying, pride cometh before the fall. Hubris. Etc. Cast yourself into the pit if it suits you.
            >God is unnecessary and therefore not good.
            Are you necessary?
            >Humanity is good.
            The personal idealized humanity that you have in your head is "good." Der mensch ist bose.

            >Ask Satan how his hissy fit went you fkn heretic! Our good god will throw you in the magic lava of him not being omnipresent
            You don't really grasp what objective implies. Gravity is objective. I am objectively typing this. Your god is subjectively good and no self respecting human would kneel to him or anyone.

            >I AM AN ATHEIST! I AM AN ATHEIST! I AM AN ATHEIST!
            Ok

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't make the thread, moron. and you said:
            >God is objective good and hell is the absence of god, you better do as god says or you will be away from God (in hell)
            So I will know what good is, I will comprehend it and still have an ego to pursue my goals, but unless I *specifically* worship your god I will not be able to experience his omnipresent subjective "objective" good. Sounds to me that your god is just another dude. Yahweh the god of foreskins, theft and storms.
            >Are you necessary
            I am to me, hence objective good. My existence is objectively good to me and I share a relationship with all I am related to where we as humans try to pursue a common good. Your "god" is just a means to collectivise.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >So I will know what good is, I will comprehend it
            No you won't. You're a fallible human. You are so arrogant lol. Are you a teenager?
            >and still have an ego to pursue my goals, but unless I *specifically* worship your god I will not be able to experience his omnipresent subjective "objective" good.
            You don't know anything about Christian theology at all. I've already explained this to you. God is goodness itself, he isn't an opinion. He is the objective good, distilled, pure, flawless, completely good with no room for argument or debate. The concept of goodness itself is him. You have never not had him, no living human has. But you can choose not to. That choice is called hell.
            >I am to me,
            Well you're not necessary to me. You're also not necessary to God, but he loves you anyway. All humans are vestigial. God knocked down the tower of Bable not because he was frightened that a bunch of rocks piled on top of one another could reach him, but because humans thinking they're God is a stupid and dangerous thought that leads exclusively to disaster. Since we are fallible, the assumption that we could even approach His perfection only ever manifests are megalomania and self destructive behavior. The prior you project onto God because you assume he has a human psychology for some reason, the latter, well, I mean look at you. How many Icarus's need to have their wings melt off? Your way is not The Way. You don't believe me, defy it all, defy gravity. Watch as the wings peel from your back.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Fallible
            You sound mad. I guess the difference between us is that you are on the side of good. moron.
            >God is goodness itself not an opinion
            That is an opinion.
            >No room for argument so please stop beating me

            >Not necessary
            And my point is that the Christian God is not necessary. Humans can exist without god.
            >You can choose not to
            Then I can just as easily choose to have it again whenever I want. Or I cease to exist and don't experience suffering. The disastrous consequences of humans coming together and learning without god is that God will hurt everyone. Not like how gravity causes death, but through the deliberate action of a pissed off angry dude. Humans thinking they can become God can only end with them becoming God. Advances in science don't depend on god he just wants the monopoly. If humanity figured out how to cure blindness you and God would curse us for larping as Jesus. It's not about doing good, it's about giving credit to some dude in the sky. Only bad things can come from your god, humans can not be separated from the true god/good. If bad things happen you do not need god to wreck everything as a lesson. The fall of the tower of babel was not due to its own flaws it was caused by an external actor.
            If God is objective good then trying to be God or like god is not bad. God in this story isn't an overarching moral code, objective good is a title he gives himself. The seperate entity/force/will. Which means god is not objectively good.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >You sound mad.
            That's bait
            >That is an opinion.
            Yes I understand that you're not a Christian anon. We have moved beyond this. Anyway, God is goodness itself, not an opinion.
            >Humans can exist without god.
            Yeah, I know, I totally agree. It's this place called 'Hell' maybe you've heard of it
            >Then I can just as easily choose to have it again whenever I want.
            No, not you lol. You are a piece of work buddy. It's not an on off switch you can flip whenever is personally convenient for you. If you don't have conviction in your beliefs, you aren't a Christian. You aren't close to God. Do you think an omnipotent deity can tell whether or not you're bullshitting him? You think false conversations get into heaven, like they just lie at the pearly gates and woop! They're in! Just peurile, honestly.
            >Or I cease to exist and don't experience suffering.
            Not really an option for you anymore. Death isn't the end.
            >The disastrous consequences of humans coming together and learning without god is that God will hurt everyone.
            Yeah I understand that's how you see it because you assign a human psychology to God and operate under the assumption that humanity is basically good and can only be corrupted due to outside forces. That's uh, not true tho
            >Not like how gravity causes death, but through the deliberate action of a pissed off angry dude.
            It's actually both of these things, the gravity causing death being the natural consequence of humans thinking they can larp as God, God being angry being the preventative (and intended warning) to stop that fall. God told Adam, don't eat that fricking apple. Trust me. You know what he did?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >God is goodness
            israelite wordplay translates to goodness is your god.
            >You need conviction in Christian beliefs to avoid hell and you can not gain that conviction in hell
            Stop talking about this god as if he is a person. No one is trying to convince that like of anything. Not everyone needs a god to practice self control, it is an on and off switch. Realise what you did wrong and change your actions. The thing is hell or an absence of god can not exist. The absence of god from his creation implies a limit to god. God is physically and spiritually limited. Demiurge israelite.
            >Assign a human psychology to god
            The bible was written by human hands so at the very least no book is a representation of god. God, the independent actor, exerted his will and achieved a goal by sabotaging a different independent actor. That is human. Your God thinks like a human.
            Adam innocently ate the apple which god made. You can not be the source of everything but also innocent. Only humans can be forgiven god can not be forgiven. Humans are flawed and it is not their fault. They are not gods they were made by gods. Are you saying Adam was made with the knowledge of good and evil? Your Eden story is just a metaphor for memetic contagions. You receive the Christian knowledge of good and evil upon baptism or conversion. It binds you with fear, guilt and lust to stay a Christian.
            >God is all good omnipresent good
            >Man was made without knowledge of god
            >Man disobeys god and gained the knowledge of god which he didn't have despite god being self evident

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            very eye opening actually
            can you explain what you mean by lust binding further?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Self preservation and sense gratification. You lust for reward and fear punishment. Lusting for the reward of heaven is original sin and binds you to need Jesus. It is a selfish desire based on your personal gain or loss. Ironically the only way to be close to God is to be like Jesus big without want for heaven or fear of hell. Christianity appeals to that majority who can not be good for the sake of good. The only difference between Adam and Jesus is that Jesus is the son of God and God dwells within him. All sin is the fault of god because everything is a result of him.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Self preservation and sense gratification. You lust for reward and fear punishment.
            This is heavily frowned upon in all denominations, you are meant to be good for the sake of being good with no expectation of reward. Again, for the hundredth time, you don't know anything about Christian theology. Or doctrines. The reward of heaven is corollary for trying to be good on earth, but being good is the point. It's the journey, not the destination. You're very cynical.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            If one can start from the fear of hell and improve there is no reason for hell to be permanent upon death. If you can experience hell you should be able to still move towards god. Zoroastrianism came before Christianity and makes more sense in that one can be redeemed in hell which serves to seperate evil from the good of a person (since everyone has some good, because it is objective and omnipresent) and there is more focus on actually doing good for the sake of it rather than because the israelite threatened you. Energy can not be destroyed only changed.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If one can start from the fear of hell and improve there is no reason for hell to be permanent upon death.
            There is a very good reason, being that once you're in hell, your state is fixed. Even if you begin to desire God, this is only out of regret, and will only lead you to the conclusion that you deserve to be in hell for your life of Godlessness. You're also thinking about this wrong. Hell isn't a punishment. Hell is just the place without God. You choose not to be with God, you choose not to play by God's rules, you choose to do it your way, you will get your way. That's what you get. Death is permanent. Only God can give life anew. In the place without God, there are no second chances. Mercy and grace are also things which come exclusively from him. There is no mercy there, and no grace. It's painful, shameful, predatory, cruel, and horrible.
            >Zoroastrianism came before Christianity and makes more sense in that one can be redeemed in hell which serves to seperate evil from the good of a person (since everyone has some good, because it is objective and omnipresent) and there is more focus on actually doing good for the sake of it
            Every religion has an underworld like this or that, but Christianity is the only religion that tells you the truth about it. Redemption in this way is demonic deception, and also misunderstands the point and what Hell is. Hell is the afterlife. It is the normal human afterlife that all humans from all cultures otherwise go to without God's intervention. It's Hades, the Narakas, Valhalla, etc. These are all warped representations of the truth of the place, which Christianity reveals in ugly and excessive detail. Likewise, the only way to avoid dwelling in this place for eternity is to turn back to your creator. You were made to go to Sheol. You don't have to, however. That's up to you.
            >Energy can not be destroyed only changed.
            You aren't destroyed in hell, unfortunately.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The Christian conception of Hell is definitely it's greatest marketing tool. There's really no other reason for anyone to worship a "Messiah" that's so inept he manages to get himself killed by worldly authorities before establishing his Divine Kingdom on Earth unless he also threatened everyone that didn't worship him with eternal conscious torment. The actual historical Jesus must've been off the fricking rails in terms of megalomaniacal narcissism to preach that kind of spooky shit to the destitute hebes who followed him.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I understand you aren't a Christian and don't like Christianity. This has been established.

            then whats all that talk about fearing the one who can destroy your soul?

            Where is the talk of this?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes I understand you aren't a Christian and don't like Christianity. This has been established.
            That was my first post ITT

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh sorry you're just one guy who's a million other guys who think saying
            >I don't like Christianity >:(
            With extra words in between is a coherent argument.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Christianity sucks.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ok

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ok

            Samegay

            Oh sorry you're just one guy who's a million other guys who think saying
            >I don't like Christianity >:(
            With extra words in between is a coherent argument.

            And you're just one guy who's a million other guys who think reducing the other's argument to an absurd degree makes up for your lack of one.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Cope

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't make an argument, you just said you hate Christianity. There is nothing even close to an argument being made in this post

            The Christian conception of Hell is definitely it's greatest marketing tool. There's really no other reason for anyone to worship a "Messiah" that's so inept he manages to get himself killed by worldly authorities before establishing his Divine Kingdom on Earth unless he also threatened everyone that didn't worship him with eternal conscious torment. The actual historical Jesus must've been off the fricking rails in terms of megalomaniacal narcissism to preach that kind of spooky shit to the destitute hebes who followed him.

            This is just you seething and imagining that Jesus was actually a stinky poo poo head. What the frick could I argue against here? Nuh uh. How's that, are you happy? You feel like throwing out a yeah-huh?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The arguments are self-evident, you just don't want to accept they're true.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            An argument isn't "true" anon. That's not how arguments work. Those are your opinions.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            My factual objective opinions, yeah.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >My factual objective opinions about a man who lived 2000 years ago that I dislike because of the pop culture I consume in the contemporary secular west
            Yes anon Jesus was a big meanie doo doo head who scared all of the poor heebs with their own doctrine that every single one of them knew from the time they were a child. So cruel of him to instruct them on a place they already assumed to exist.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Notice how the post you're replying to got trips and yours didn't. Coincidence?!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            then whats all that talk about fearing the one who can destroy your soul?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            interesting take. i think that people generally feel they need a constant feedback loop of goodness so that they know they're on the right track. i believe this is about the old adage about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. its a clear lack of faith, in other words.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >israelite wordplay translates to goodness is your god.
            No, I've already explained this. Pay attention.
            >Stop talking about this god as if he is a person. No one is trying to convince that like of anything. Not everyone needs a god to practice self control, it is an on and off switch
            He isn't a person, He's God. You don't convince him, he knows whether or not you're being honest. That's my point. You don't practice self control, but when you do, that's God working through you. Now doesn't that just make your skin crawl?
            >Realise what you did wrong and change your actions.
            Most people can't do this, including most Christians. You too. But I don't expect self awareness from you.
            >The thing is hell or an absence of god can not exist. The absence of god from his creation implies a limit to god. God is physically and spiritually limited.
            God doesn't force himself upon you. His absence is your choice, not his. Don't know how many times I have to say this. You limit God. He respects your free will. You say no, he says, ok! Go on, goodbye, and good luck in the outer darkness! It's up to you.
            >God, the independent actor, exerted his will and achieved a goal by sabotaging a different independent actor. That is human.
            I mean a lot of things can do this. Animals can do this. God can create trillions of stars and plaster them across the night sky. Can you do that?
            >You can not be the source of everything but also innocent. Only humans can be forgiven god can not be forgiven. Humans are flawed and it is not their fault. They are not gods they were made by gods. Are you saying Adam was made with the knowledge of good and evil?
            Ah, seething over the problem of evil. You're right, we made an uninformed decision. But we made it, and the consequences remain. The fact that it was uninformed, that we didn't know what would happen if we disobeyed God and didn't comprehend him fully, is actually what qualifies us for grace vs. demons who get none.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >"He's" not a person yet "he" "knows" stuff
            Frick off demiurge

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            "He" is a deity, he isn't a person. In the same way Satan is a demon, but not a person. Not mutually exclusive.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes not a literal human but it is a distinct will and mind.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            distinct from who? from what?
            isnt the whole idea that god is the source of all

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's my point, he is either one or the other. Either he is subjective or "he" is "responsible" for all things. The source of all doesn't play around with "flawed" meat mechs and ancient scrolls. He just is.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            as glad as i am to hear this from you, there is room for some nuance. if god is the source of all, but set a limit upon his extensions... he could be "just is"ing out there somewhere while still subjective in all of us or some of us, even though we are beyond this limit (here in meatspace).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You call that kind of stuff collective unconscious or something. You are more than any one cell but you don't actually control those cells. They don't have your morality besides some inherent selfless drive. Even cancer is just cells making an error in their moral drive (reproduce and maintain).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the issue is you don't give your self enough credit you're still self-flagellating because "what if what i was told is right". but, these are the same people who lied to you about santa claus. they don't know any better than you. this is my point, you have it within your self and its being degenerated by insincere, intellectually dishonest memes. when you were born you had everything you needed. how else is it that jesus said the children worship perfectly when they supposedly dont even know much at all about god yet. its a game, a ruse. you just have to get through this life. perfectly intact, preferably. people will say you're heretic, well thats the persecution that you're supposed to expect. idk it seems pretty plain to me.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's a sweet sentiment anon, but I'm perfectly satisfied. I don't feel limited in any capacity, besides the limitations that are slowly and steadily being put upon Christians in general again. But I do appreciate your words. I hope you can find peace.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            thats awfully diminutive dont you think

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I hope so. The meek shall inherit, etc. etc. I hope I haven't said too many upsetting things. Easy to forget there are other people on the other side of the screen.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            no worries ive been tallying the rudeness meters on either side and it runs about equal. and the hopefullness meters running about the same. for only in perfect equality can there be peace. and there must be peace. at all costs

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >The meek shall inherit
            Now define "meek"

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >If humanity figured out how to cure blindness you and God would curse us for larping as Jesus.
            No. Again, you do not actually understand Christian theology at all. Treating physical maladies isn't playing God. Troonery is playing God. Transhumanism is playing God. Wearing a pair of glasses doesn't upset God anymore than wearing a pair of shoes.
            >If God is objective good then trying to be God or like god is not bad.
            You are NOT trying to be like God. You go out of your way not to be. You are trying to hold the *position* of God.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No one is trying to be like your god because he is not good or necessary. Trannies are a creation of Satan and Satan is commanded by your god. You cant be all but only some. All comes from God and is a consequence of god, stupid fricking pleb. Either your god is an intelligent willful actor within or without or he is just the universe.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >No one is trying to be like your god because he is not good or necessary.
            You're not good or necessary
            >Trannies are a creation of Satan and Satan is commanded by your god.
            He's given some liberties. You're not supposed to listen when he tempts you, anon.
            >Either your god is an intelligent willful actor within or without
            Yeah that's the one. I haven't said anything less. What's the problem?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I am necessary for myself to exist. If I don't exist I don't exist. God is not necessary for me to exist. If he is an intelligent willful actor that means he is fallible. Objectivity doesn't not know or act; willful actors act based on their knowledge of objectivity. Your god is a little b***h and he will die, Satan is an extension of him. True God is beyond your understanding, probably some azathoth shit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I am necessary for myself to exist. If I don't exist I don't exist.
            Yeah. But are you good?
            >God is not necessary for me to exist.
            True. He was in the first place, but isn't now. Now you're in the world. You will continue to exist whether you accept God or not. The difference being the capacity of your existence, the consequences of that choice. But it's yours to make.
            >If he is an intelligent willful actor that means he is fallible. Objectivity doesn't not know or act; willful actors act based on their knowledge of objectivity.
            He has perfect knowledge anon he is completely omnipotent lol. This seems pretty self explanatory.
            >Your god is a little b***h and he will die, Satan is an extension of him. True God is beyond your understanding, probably some azathoth shit.
            That would be heckin' epic

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I have perfect knowledge and omnipotence over your mother's orgasms but that doesn't make me god of everything. God is just another fish

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Ask Satan how his hissy fit went you fkn heretic! Our good god will throw you in the magic lava of him not being omnipresent
            You don't really grasp what objective implies. Gravity is objective. I am objectively typing this. Your god is subjectively good and no self respecting human would kneel to him or anyone.

          • 1 week ago
            t.me/vtuberJP

            All the supposedly good things in life can be enjoyed without god. Family, love, fairness, it is all removed from YOUR god. If there is an objective good, and it is attached to a god, he would not communicate it as it would be self evident. Like the biological drive to protect your children. God (not your one) is to be found by exploring the universe and learning it's objective nature. If God beyond the universe then he can not translate his essence perfectly into it, so either it's a demiurge situation or the universe is god. This is why hell originally was just a place for the dead and not torture. Death and the lack of drive is the farthest "you" can get from God.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >All the supposedly good things in life can be enjoyed without god. Family, love, fairness, it is all removed from YOUR god.
            No it isn't. God is there even when you aren't a Christian.
            >If there is an objective good, and it is attached to a god, he would not communicate it as it would be self evident.
            It is, which is why some people who've never even heard of God a single time in their entire life but still know his voice can go to heaven as well.
            >God (not your one) is to be found by exploring the universe and learning it's objective nature.
            My God is literally why the physical sciences exist in the state they do, specifically to explore God's creation. Christianity created modern science and it's standards.
            >If God beyond the universe then he can not translate his essence perfectly into it,
            He didn't.
            >This is why hell originally was just a place for the dead and not torture.
            Sheol was always a place for torture, you just can't conceive of torture that isn't all chains and whips. Hell is not all just one thing, and it's contents have changed over time.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >God is there even when you aren't Christian
            Yeah because hell as you define it doesn't and can't exist. That's what I have been saying. Fricking schizo babble, Christianity is a memetic virus leaching on the achievements of others. Rome, Egypt, Greece, China all existed and advanced science before Christianity. Stop being an inconsistent hypocrite.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >God is there even when you aren't Christian
            >Yeah because hell as you define it doesn't and can't exist.
            These two statements are not mutually exclusive, you're actually so fricking stupid I'm starting to get genuinely angry. Rejecting God while you're still alive does not actually make the presence of God leave you, because God is goodness. That includes life itself, which is why he can offer you life eternal. As long as you are alive, God is with you. You always have the option to turn to him up until the very moment of your death. In hell, however, it's too late. God isn't there. You are completely drained of your vitality and thrown into a world that is purely predatory and cruel.
            >Rome, Egypt, Greece, China all existed and advanced science before Christianity.
            No not really actually. Civilization at that point was pretty much just astrology, architecture, gunpowder. The natural sciences were not a field that existed. People could create things, study things, do mathematics, but actually studying the world around them and how all of these things are connected is a phenomen of Christian Europe. The only reason any sciences at all survived the collapse of Rome in Europe is because of Christians. You're very hostile. Just a reminder; the blood is against you.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >So fricking stupid
            Poor baby can't handle debate.
            >Christian Europe
            Typical parasite. So the progress from naked Adam and Eve up to gun powder was nothing, and natural science only came about because a israelite got executed by Romans that hate israelites.

            Do you know when metaphysics first started? Who Pythagoras was? Christianity appeals to selfishness and can not engage natural science. Europe prospered in spite of Christianity

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Poor baby can't handle debate.
            You are genuinely unintelligent
            >and natural science only came about because a israelite got executed by Romans that hate israelites.
            Yeah actually
            >Do you know when metaphysics first started? Who Pythagoras was?
            Yeah? That isn't a study of the natural sciences. You keep trying to find inconsistencies in what I'm saying where there are none.

            Darkness is a thing that exists and God is responsible

            Darkness is literally the lack of a thing

            https://i.imgur.com/c006o8J.jpeg

            That's an idea which is nowhere found in the Bible. If anything that's the Hermetic argument.

            No

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >No
            What do you mean, no? That idea of evil being the absence of good/existing as a consequence of generation and not innate to reality is almost directly lifted from the Divine Pymander and is found NOWHERE in the Bible. You've got your religious texts mixed up.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >What do you mean, no? That idea of evil being the absence of good/existing as a consequence of generation and not innate to reality is almost directly lifted from the Divine Pymander and is found NOWHERE in the Bible.
            This is basic Catholic Catechism. Which you would know if you actually knew anything about Christian theology.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bait. Catholicism is the most mind fricked human institution in the world and can not speak for any god. Spiritually impure "idol worship is bad but I don't have enough faith to worship without an idol so my idols arent actually idols" religion. You don't need a cross to worship jesus

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Exegesis/Cathechism = headcanon, sorry.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This has to be bait, but you are apparently a Christian so Im not sure

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Civilization at that point was pretty much just astrology, architecture, gunpowder. The natural sciences were not a field that existed.
            is this what the average christi follower has turned into? an uneducated hater of humanity Misinterpreting the teachings of their own messiah? bros are we in the dark ages?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >when you oppose objective righteousness, what does that make you?
          Human.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            epic own, have an updoot sir!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          God is all good and all evil simultaneously. The Bible says as much.

          Isaiah 45:7
          >"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"

          So if the concept of goodness emanates from God, so too does the concept of evil.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No, wrong. That isn't what that passage is implying. Darkness is created from his absence. Nothing actually exists but good, and where good isn't, evil is. He isn't a duality.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >REEEEEEEEEEEEE--!

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I understand that you're upset anon but please try to use your words next time

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't have to to expose your curiously succinct and opinionated stance.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Brevity is the soul of wit or something

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sometimes it's portrayal of lack.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            In your case, I'd say that's accurate

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I threw a meme-match on the thread and have been sitting back watching other anons attack your shitty dualistic shilling, I assure you all I lack is something wet on my manhood.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Darkness is a thing that exists and God is responsible

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's an idea which is nowhere found in the Bible. If anything that's the Hermetic argument.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            hermetics need to update their imagery

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          how is god righteous if "He" risks nothing, since "He" is somehow invincible???

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        postmodernist homosexual go shove a vibrator up your parasite infested ass

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Righteousness" is always relative
        Do you like it when people steal, hurt, rape, kill and any other horrible thing when you don’t want it? Don’t do the same to other people.

        This is a difficult topic for subhumans

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you like it when people steal, hurt, rape, kill and any other horrible thing when you don’t want it? Don’t do the same to other people.
          What if you're at war with another group that's done all that to you first? Are you still in the wrong or just trying to survive? Suddenly the morality of who is and isn't righteous becomes a little more complex, no? It's almost like it's relative...

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    t.me/vtuberJP

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer is not Satan.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer is 1776 through and through

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This video is the truth about Lucifer

    Call him, Lucifruit! Fruitier than a box of fruitloops!

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    'kay.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You don't have to read or reply to anything I type anon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      whats the point of anything you say when there are a million priests buttfricking it into the asses of millions literally and figuratively

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What's the point of anything you say when there's a million homosexuals on Twitter saying the exact same thing.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          it was a bad post thats why i deleted it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, and remember demons. The blood is against you.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    contrairainism for the sake of contrarianism is just as blind faith in authority. probably worse.
    godand satan both dont want you to think.
    god just wants you to obey.
    lucifer just wants you to rebel.
    like its some kind of generalization algorithm for your agi.
    satan and god are both for stupid people who can only operate in a world of generalization.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the law was supposedly reduced to "love" which could mean anything depending on the context. whats there to obey

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        something called dogma.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          FRICK i fricked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            if you frick up a dogma is it considered bestiality?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            no you're thinking of ligma

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            youre a dirty dogma

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >god is responsible for all things, worship him!
    >you (Adam) are responsible for all sin, worship him!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If God is responsible for all things, he's also responsible for all sin. That's where the logic of mainstream Christians who believe in a purely beneficent God (that isn't actually described in the Bible) breaks down.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >will not bend even to righteous authoritarianism
    this is exactly why you don’t follow him

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You confuse him with malal.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Get behind me, demon. Be gone.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    People tend to overemphasise the Luciferian anti-authoritarian stance and forget all about the aspect of personal responsibility.

    Yes Satan wants freedom for all, which always comes with the freedom and responsibility to face the consequences of ones actions, and the freedom of others FROM the consequences of others' actions.

    Meaning if you wanna use your freedom to behave in self-destructive ways, you must deal with it on your own and are not entitled to others bailing you out (welfare state, socialism etc)

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    that sounds really lame since authoritarianism is based, so long as its your side. Guess Ill have to become my own God

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lucifer represents a lot of things

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ITT OP spits wisdom and the rest of the thread is bootlickers raging at their own impotence

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wisdom?
      You're literally trying to fall for the false light, lying to the plebs.

      Matthew 6:22-23 KJV
      The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

      The light of the body is the eye. Singular. What could that mean?

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Conveniently crosses out the third spiritual eye on Rene Descartes diagram, and the V is a sign that the individual doesn't get the full picture.

    Lucifer = homosexual that only trusts his physical eyes and not spiritual intuition. Just like all the hyper autistic losers in tech with mental deviancy.

    I'll stick with not being deceived, thank you very much.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I guess he does but it all falls short because he himself form part of the gay abrahamic framework. Why respect or care for someone who's "liberty" is subordinate to gay, hypocritical israelite God authoritarianism and exists to deter people from liberty? Better to free yourself and look to other religions with elements or deities that represent liberty. Also lol at picrel.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Being ostracized and demonized by the Abrahamic framework does not make you complicit in its shackles. Pretty sure he's opposed the israeli god more than any of us ever will.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Bfr tho most people perceive in terms of inherent morality
    To get people attuned to their genetic intention, they need healing and free time/space. Otherwise, people get locked into a box they’re so familiar with, that they can’t perceive in the virtue of the things outside of it. It pushes up against that box and is then known as bad.

    Doesn’t really reflect the ecosystem of nature

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We get it, youre israeli

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