Logic question

If something exists eternally it's safe to say before a certain point in time it was an eternity. If you exist for an eternity before something happens how would you ever reach that point where it happens?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ever present moment exists outside of time. You'll know after you die.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats exactly it..
      time is a construct withing constructed reality.
      it does not exist outside of reality, in the transcendental.

      thus there are no before/after states there, its all quantum potentials that exists in parallel and all possibilities are already there.
      reality & time is just those states falling into concrete states.

      one should pay careful attention to this:
      "outside of time" or "outside of created reality" does not mean it precedes it, as that itself is a time-construct. all happens-before or happens-after statements are only applicable within time, but that is outside of time.
      so its all pervasive.

      all potentials exist right now.
      they call this quantum soup simply chaos.
      others call it the void or great abyss or emptiness.

      the thing is, this chaos produces due to the flactuations within it, creations non-stop.
      among all the innumerable creations it creates non-stop, only 1 is stable.
      order.
      they call order also the Logos.
      it has always been within chaos as a potential, but randomly is flacutates into existence.
      this "order" then works on chaos (because there is nothing else) and produces concretes.
      concrete is the exact opposite of chaos.
      chaos in and of itself, does not allow for concretes, it merely has potentials.
      but through the Logos of the Chaos, order emerges.
      "order out of chaos" - as you know.

      the taoists explain this with their wuji-taiji diagrams.

      this process is continual. it has no beginning and no end.
      it has a temporary end when the Logos submerges itself in the process of enlightenment. when all the boddhisattvas gather all the sparks of divinity (you, me) and all that projected light returns back to Logos, the Logos, retracts back into the chaos..
      this is complete and utter annihilation.
      time will pass and through random flactuation, the Logos will inevitably emerge again.
      and the process is gonna repeat.

      1/2

      • 2 months ago
        Devils soldier unit one -

        2/2

        imagine it like a little circle which grows one single tentacle (logos) which itself splits into innumerable tentacles (all of creation), extending for a period of time, maxing out (kali yuga) and then retracting (ascending, prodigal son returning) all the way back to the Logos and the Logos then also retracts back into the circle.
        after a pause, this happens again.
        the projection starts out on some sort of mental/consciousness plane and manifests on the farthests parts in the physical (physical concreteness is an appearance within it, it creates it).
        imagine an endless gif.

        this is my current understanding of reality.

        You are in the zone but are limited by a lack of exploration of relativistic totality.

        Take my advice and build yourself to adopt a better grasp of infinite potential as a construct which encompasses the known, the unknown and the impossible to define into a construct of particulate cohesion.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >better grasp of infinite potential as a construct which encompasses the known, the unknown and the impossible to define into a construct of particulate cohesion

          hard to wrap my head around that.

          infinite potential = construct
          for the purpose of encompass (explain?) the known/unknown/impossible, for a particulate cohesion.

          so are you saying that the concept of infinity is there for us to simply make better sense (create logical cohesion) for things we simply cant understand?

          if so, i would not necessarily disagree.
          but if this is so, how come that all the saints and mystics and poets always tried to point towards something "concrete" (although that word is false) and called us to chase after "God"?

          if im misunderstanding, could you dumb it down or put it in another way so i can have an alternative, which i may grasp better?!

          • 2 months ago
            Devils soldier unit one -

            >infinite potential = construct
            See: zero point.
            Massless existence of no origin except itself.
            Time and space are not developing of paradoxes that cannot be solved, but explaining them requires thoughts that resolve so-called paradoxes.

            >so are you saying that the concept of infinity is there for us to simply make better sense (create logical cohesion) for things we simply cant understand?
            Infinity is not there to do anything for us, it just happens that it actually does on occasion. For diversity of polarity fruition over time.

            >but if this is so, how come that all the saints and mystics and poets always tried to point towards something "concrete" (although that word is false) and called us to chase after "God"?
            The nature of a mystic is to be silent about things he cannot adequately explain, as a devils soldier I am not bound by such notions, I plant a seed and wait for one who can add to my arsenal of thought.

            >if im misunderstanding, could you dumb it down or put it in another way so i can have an alternative, which i may grasp better?!
            I can learn a set of ways to explain it differently to this, but you either develop the ability to manifest the logic as a construct of thought or do not resolve paradox. All ways will explain some style to eventually break through.

          • 2 months ago
            Devils soldier unit one -

            What I am saying is no one has seen the face of god, except those who have glimpsed the plausibility of paradox resolution in terms their limited intellect can merely establish as fact, so there are no more questions and the effort can become an absence of a search eventually, so even the devil awaits the second coming, if you see.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you know that if you haven't died yet?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    that assumes time is binding rather than freely navigable for eternal entities

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How can you bridge the gap of infinity though unless you assume that being exists at all points in time simultaneously

      If you do an action, and before that action an infinite amount of time that had transpired, that would mean you would've had to wait an infinite amount of time before you did the action at all.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Where's the contradiction in that? Infinity is only out of reach for the finite.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spacetime appears as solid only for the lower density beings, anything more advanced than a human can start playing with it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if space is infinite there's an infinite gap between you and the border...woa..

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If you do an action, and before that action an infinite amount of time that had transpired, that would mean you would've had to wait an infinite amount of time before you did the action at all.
        It's not an "infinite amount of time", but "and arbitrarily long amount of time", that is, an amount of time equal to any number you can think of.
        It's like pi, eventually you can find in it any number of any length, you can find a string of 1s
        ...11111111111111...
        For any length that you want, but you can't find an infinite string of 1s in it, eventually they end, and a different number appears.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Time is literally just something our ancestors made up.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Time is literally just something our ancestors made up.
      LOL. Something with two brain cells, crawling on the sea floor, had the concept of "if this then that" wired in, in order to eat, mate or run away from a predator. "If this then that" implies a sequence of events, thus time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans didn't invent day and night, moron. Passage of time is the most basic pattern recognition.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are infinite numbers.
    How is it possible to count to 5 if there are infinite numbers?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If your starting point is 5 - infinity, then indeed how do you ever get to 5

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        dont bother with the how, first understand that it IS possible.
        even if there are infinite numbers between 0 and 5, you can still count from 0 to 5.

        the practical way seems to be a form of digitization happens.
        if you want to reach 5 from 0, you count 1 and ignore all the infinite numbers between 0 and 1, then you count 2, ignore all that between 1 and 2, etc.

        a form of forgetting is part of the process.
        this is perhaps also tied to why we have amnesia, when we incarnate.
        to digitize (instead of living in the analog), we have to forget or dumb down perception.

        the smallest steps one can take, in current reality, is AFAIK the max planck length.
        in other words, we live in a digital world, there is nothing in between.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're asking the wrong questions. That is like trying to find out what a worm thinks about politics. We cannot grasp the infinite for we are inherently finite. Time has no meaning to an infinite being for it is infinite.

  6. 2 months ago
    The Antichrist

    >logic question
    >asks complete gibberish
    thanks as always /x/!!!

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the being has to traverse the time due to "reasons" (or limitations in your ability to use logic and reason), it's step size could be infinitely large, so much so that time progression to the desired point across eternity for them would be like microseconds for us.

    Or as others have pointed out, the being exists at all points of time, or exists outside of time itself and is free to move to the desired point in time instantaneously.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how would you ever reach that point where it happens?
    By continuing to exist.
    If you exist eternally, you exist in all time points. The question of "getting to" any single time point dissolves.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you exist in the past present and future simultaneously, then how can anyone have free will?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Free will is only "free" from everything but itself--if it didn't control itself, it wouldn't be "will."

        And being constrained in time obviously doesn't negate free will. You wouldn't say "The choice I made 10 minutes ago is now an immutable part of history, therefore I didn't have free will 10 minutes ago." That extends even when the future is frozen more or less by induction.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        First because yoiu made a MASSIVE assumption in that my existence somehow affects free will.
        Second because you have a concept that is HORRIBLY defined and understood - tell me VERY SPECIFICALLY what you mean by "free will".
        Third because your free will does not have anything to do with existence in time.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like I am existing in the moments which haven't happened yet, possibilities summoned by my intuition

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If something exists eternally it's safe to say before a certain point in time it was an eternity. If you exist for an eternity before something happens how would you ever reach that point where it happens?
    An eternity before the present is one thing but my existence is another thing entirely, and you are confusing the two. "Something happens" can only be at a point or segment of the time line.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would that be the case? If a human lived forever then they would just keep experiencing things. The passage of time would keep happening, but they wouldn't stop existing. Stuff would just keep happening and they could experience all of it.

  12. 2 months ago
    Devils soldier unit one -

    When your angelic self is without free will, you only use free will to make a relatively insignificant change to the future of the world relative to your balance with it for the rest of time.

    Lucifer achieved a change in diversity by one simple choice outside of what he angelically was, this is the only evidence the angels require to keep the arguments down to a minimum amongst their ranks. The only argument is in the young. A war in heaven is really just the orchestration of mankind as a young and evolving mentality.

    If you require more or deny this then you are not evolved enough to comprehend it.

    The non-temporal rarely interferes with a life that it has put here to learn past systematic logic in dualistic terms.

  13. 2 months ago
    Devils soldier unit one -
  14. 2 months ago
    Devils soldier unit one -

    To the moral high grounders.

    Namestealer?

    I stole more than a name and I hear no complaints.

    • 2 months ago
      Devils soldier unit one -
  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    2/2

    imagine it like a little circle which grows one single tentacle (logos) which itself splits into innumerable tentacles (all of creation), extending for a period of time, maxing out (kali yuga) and then retracting (ascending, prodigal son returning) all the way back to the Logos and the Logos then also retracts back into the circle.
    after a pause, this happens again.
    the projection starts out on some sort of mental/consciousness plane and manifests on the farthests parts in the physical (physical concreteness is an appearance within it, it creates it).
    imagine an endless gif.

    this is my current understanding of reality.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eternity means for the rest of time. Eternity into the past means for all time, as in, been there for all of it. Probably by being beyond, above, outside, whatever.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    (addendum)

    the paradoxical part is, that how does anything "happen" outside of time, as happenings are events in an order, but there is no order outside of time..

    the taoists call this "wuwei", spontaneous action.
    others try it with "causeless cause".
    basically, the created mind runs into paradoxical and due to limitations, is not able to fully grasp the transcendental, that which transcends it.
    thus our speech can not eff the ineffable.
    but for all practically purposes, this is what ancient sacred scriptures point to.

  18. 2 months ago
    Gods vicar unit 2

    We are in level 2 of thought-based construction.
    Polarity.
    We can achieve level 3 here and comprehend the whole.
    Triality.
    However the nature of level 4 is currently unknown to myself.
    It could be the universal construct of our own design of a new kind of polarity, or a triality of thought which generates realms we do not fully understand.

    Or we are just destined to be a part of duality-based efforts until reaching chaos as a developed stream of massless influence.

    I await new mission parameters.

    • 2 months ago
      Devils soldier unit one -

      Gotta love a trier.

      • 2 months ago
        Gods vicar unit 2

        Yes very amusing, but the likelihood I would class levels of truth as an enemy is low.

        Do not foul me with the stuff I made whilst psychotic.

        That said I do await new mission parameters.

        • 2 months ago
          Gods vicar unit 2

          The universal force disliked that I wrote this, but I have to remain a balance, not a warrior.

          It doesn't bode well for a utopia, when an enemy construct is what we are potentially classed as.

          • 2 months ago
            Devils soldier unit one -

            I did not foul you, and you should know that by now.

            I have no idea why that filename was left in.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not necessarily, for example in Christianity you have an eternal soul, but that soul is only eternal upon the creation of God. Further, things can also endure forever but are not permanent. For example if you claim all of reality is in flux. The flux obviously implies change but the quality of the flux is labeled as permanent. What experiences that flux always changes

  20. 2 months ago
    Devils soldier unit one -
  21. 2 months ago
    An antichrist

    See what you get?

    There can be only one and he is not willing to take the life of the others so he wins.

    Then the antichrist becomes Christ and the circle is complete. Anonymously we learn this, negating the death of many.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

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