Is Eating Animals Evil?

Not gonna say that eating meat, is immoral, or wrong, and unethical, including any synonyms. Though, there is something that I do want to put into your mind, how it effects our sense of value in relation to living beings. Think about it, do you have a criteria for what a life worthy of being taken, not beings taken, and for this, or that reason? That is fine, but what are the consequences of this set of standards for a given amount of respect according to a beings characteristics? That what doesn't meet one criteria falls into another, and so our attitude, and behavior towards it react accordingly. When a person chooses to set his standard for living beings to be one of complete respect, and compassion it can't be be one way for another that it isn't for all, and the other way around. And when we do construct these standards ( only in my opinion ) we will always be subject to relativity, and interpretations that move the bar for valuing, and dismissing life as mere things for others, and from others toward us. I say this still eating animals, and animal derived products, but I may reconsider. It seems this taste for meat, and flesh even if healthy stunts our ability to care, and respect others, and for them to do the same for us.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. God gave the animals to us to use as we see fit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God says a lot of stuff, that wasn't the question.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If the Lord commands it, it is not evil.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did he say we had to eat animals, or we could eat animals?

          No,we were given forms that are omnivores, as in we eat meat and plants equally

          We have a form capable of many things, this doesn't say what we should do, or if we have to. I have seen people healthy eating nothing but meat, and those who didn't eat any at all, and also those who eat both who seem fit, so I can't really bank on this phrase.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes we have a choice to do whatever, there is not inherit morality to either, its how its done that matters

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even if it isn't inherently moral we still have morals which we judge our actions, and their consequences. What is the right way to avoid the negative consequences?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do what you think is right combined with the general morality of society

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What I think is right may conflict with society, but what if what I thought was right was discovered to be good for everyone? I think seeing all life as being untouchable, and allowed to thrive freely unlike most arbitrary rules does no harm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, killing innocents is wrong. You might be interested in checking out veganedge.org, OP. You are beginning to walk down a better path, keep going and never turn back. The value we place on our own lives is the same as the value any animal places on his or her own.

      Wrong. God gave Adam and Eve all seed-bearing herbs for food. Genesis clearly says so. Humans did not eat animals until after sin. In fact, all animals were herbivores in Eden. Watch Christspiracy if you want to learn more

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, tigers and alligators just chomping down on some veggies.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    im fox
    hunt rabbit, just take it and tear into it
    you just need the quality of wildness,
    stop forcing yourself to create a karma simulation in yourself, and there's no problem, no? Go get em tear em apart eat em nom nom nom

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am not a fox, and don't think like a fox, and if I did, I wouldn't consider it at all. So this consideration isn't unnatural.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Try it
        shed your humanity
        it doesnt hurt

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I shed my humanity as quickly as it isn't my concern, and had the moment I considered these things, I am not defined by humanity even if I human.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No,we were given forms that are omnivores, as in we eat meat and plants equally

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lately I have been having more meat-free days after I had a vegetarian pasta a week ago and my stomach was less bloated. Unfortunately, the trade off was dealing with intense cravings for protein. I have deficiencies in B12 and I have been chronically malnourished in terms of protein all my life because meat. is. kinda gross… I have been vegan before.
    I think one thing that I really struggle with in terms of veganism is the volume of food needed to be healthy. The calorie density is lower and so is the protein density. Furthermore, bioavailability of plant proteins is lower than that of animal derived protein (including dairy and eggs).
    I have done a lot of research into it but I am still not a scientician by any means. I think that if you want to go vegetarian or vegan you should try it, just make sure to do your research on how to obtain nutrients that you would otherwise be lacking. It is hard for me to maintain vegetarianism or veganism full time but creating a stronger connection to your food by giving thanks and only eating sustainably (buying a half cow from a reputable farmer in your area, fishing for your own fish, buying eggs from local farmers, etc) may help you deal with the moral and karmic issues. I also really do recommend working on a farm this summer if you have the chance, even part time. Or just visiting. There are feedlots all over the place too, but don’t film anything because of all the ag-gag laws. I also have done a lot of research about that stuff too if you have any questions feel free to send them my way. Gonna go cook a steak dinner now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is my issue, if not my only issue with going vegan. You have eat so much frickin much, but maybe it evens out with most of it getting digested faster anyway. Plus, I am worried that I can't do my load of cardio without depriving myself of nutrients.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely solid. Bravo, lad. Going in blind is very unhealthy and sets yourself up for failure; research is so important. The only real struggle is at the beginning, creating a new menu. After you have a healthy set of meals you can make regularly, it's an easy lifestyle. Also protein isn't as big of a deal if you eat the right foods.

      I love the idea of shopping local in bulk, or even hunting. Never considered working on a farm, that is a great idea - infact should be mandatory. Where I grew up we had 4H club in school though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fall less concerned with the proper indulgence, and our ability to eat meat, then the consequences of a society eating meat on it's ideology. I don't think it leads anywhere good.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not going to read all of that but I can see you are still eating grains. Stop doing that. Eliminate grains from your diet. Limit your fruit intake it makes you fat. I'm doing the literal opposite of you. I eat meat almost exclusively and I only eat once per 24 hours. I would like to stop eating altogether though. Eating sucks I hate eating.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks theres actually such thing as 'morality' beyond just a concept designed to control human behaviour
    Cute.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Morals are used by people who want power sure, they don't own morals, and yea morals are conceptual, concepts aren't impotent, and are used by many people for many reasons, I dunno where you are coming from here.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a concept designed to control human behaviour
      What's wrong with that? Is it IMMORAL to control human behavior?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not evil to kill an animal if you have a legitimate need to feed yourself.

    But it is if you live in the 21st century and have access to groceries. Nobody needs to eat flesh or consume corpses, full stop. Cruelty towards animals does not endear anyone to God, Angels, or the Devic Kingdoms that represent Nature.

    Vegetarians and vegans are doing just fine, and despite what the dark brotherhood claims on the internet, Man lives a much healthier life - as God intended - munching on the the fruits, vegetables, herbs, seeds, mushrooms, and the grains, as it was in Eden, and is in Heaven.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dark brotherhood
      Psychotic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there is a dark brotherhood that opposes, but obeys, the light brotherhood. the right of the dark brotherhood is predation upon the seeker, when the light brotherhood authorizes his or her trial, or karmic comeuppance.

        the dark brotherhood tempts the seeker, and attempts to corrupt and destroy the soul with sin, especially through selfishness, hatred, ignorance, and all forms of material pleasure

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno about healthier, I have seen arguments for many diets that seem credible, but I could see how one could live more peacefully, and blameless for eating in a vegan way.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's an etheric effect, vegetarianism greatly accelerates spiritual development

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think I am gonna start eating vegan for moral reasons alone, I do love eating meat though, mostly even. Though perhaps I would be better off.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's the gut bacteria that love eating meat, the cravings and taste for it go away relatively quickly once you stop

            then the guilt hits

            after a year of being vegetarian, you too will look at the deli section in utter horror. you'll see people around you eating corpses and you'll be revolted with yourself, and them, for a long time... that's where the vegan pushiness comes from. that too, must be mastered.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've known people who virtue signal on the level of "id save a dog before a person" but they are also le epic bacon steaks bro!!1
            There are extremes everywhere but there'll an agenda on both sides, meat monies and plant monies. Either way they get rich. Solution is local or self farming.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To the Victorious I am Morality

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, food is much healthier if it's vegetables you grew yourself with the help of the nature spirits

    if you're eating the chlorinated corpse of a chicken that spent its life immiserated, obviously that's not spiritually healthy, at all

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's a 'lower mind' concept in metaphysics, being the source of desire for sex, food, and power - represented by the lower three chakras - in the spiritual quest, it is necessary that the lower mind must be disciplined by the higher mind. the reason, and use of philosophy, inevitably must be brought to bear upon mere craving for sensory-pleasure at the great expense of a living creature.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Personally going vegetarian because I view the meat industry as evil. Even something as simple as "grass fed" is a lie. Pigs are more intelligent then both cats and dogs, and any civilized person will be against eating cats or dogs. Then you look into different practices for actually killing these animals and it's disgusting, sometimes flatout evil.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the rebuke that 'but animals do it and it tastes good' is lower mind thinking. if you only want to be a mind that does things because animals do it and it feels good, and ignores higher reasoning, you cannot go far spiritually.

    there is a moral restriction, furthermore, upon the entire universe. evil species do not get to travel very far in the cosmos...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea it just seems unreasonable, like I should base my decisions on something that makes no considerations at all. To emulate the personality of something that lives, and dies according to it's nature divorced from any forethought.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bros… I am back from making my steak dinner and the most crazy shit happened.
    The meat was vacuum sealed so I had to drain the blood out, I was so horrified I kind of felt dissociated. Then I cut myself by accident and while trying to clean up, an object fell onto the plate I had the meat thawing in and split it in half.
    wtf doe it mean?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could mean anything, what did it mean to you?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The universe is trying to show you that you also bleed and can be cut open. It's trying to show you the similarity between your flesh and the meat.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    “̔̏̊”

    my belief is that as consciousness in the 3rd dimension we would benefit from eating things with consciousness that's not as complex or unpure. The idea is plants have consciousness that truly is made for us and will benefit us and help us thrive in health and it doesn't lower our consciousness. More evolved 3rd dimensional aliens already know this and that's why they won't eat meat. It's also cruel to eat something like a cow as its consciousness and nervous systems are similar to ours. There's a whole reason being immoral lowers our consciousness that I can't explain but it has something to do with divine love being the highest form of consciousness.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aliens have that sweet space jelly though, how can they judge? Imagine an alien buffet, wait you can't, huh. Why are aliens so stingy, keeping all that gorblack to themselves, and the succulent torleb kebabs. frick them, all we have are these dirt grown wieners on stalks, disgusting.

      • 4 weeks ago
        “̔̏̊”

        The idea that the food of aliens is better than ours, vegetarian or not is far-fetched. Most aliens are extremely technologically advanced, at least the ones we have physical contact with. Aliens like greys would not have better food and as far as ones that contact us spiritually and don't advance technology but rather spiritually, their food most likely wouldn't have the variety that ours has considering we're an experimental planet of millions of different races. I've heard a channeling that one species ate just a kind of seaweed which was tasteless because they just worry about spiritual things other than food. I'd guess we live on the best planet to go vegetarian and you have no evidence to the contrary.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Of course it is evil. If you can't stare the truth in the face and stand it, it is evil. Nothing can rationalize taking the life of the innocent.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont think this is the right question. I think a better one is - is it evil to live detatched from the natural world?

    Its probably not a good thing to have factory farmed meat mindlessly consumed on a daily basis, with huge amounts going to waste. But its probably fine to hunt wild game, or to have small farms producing healthy animals that are only consumed on occasion, probably a couple times a week. I believe with this practice and consumption level we can give every animal a life of health and dignity, and doing so would not consitute evil.

    Humans evolved to eat meat, as part of the natural order. All kinds of problems arise from living outside of hte natural order. Factory farming is one that is particularly evil, but not uniquely so. Large scale monocrop agriculture is another one that is tied in, and IMHO is quite evil as well.

    We just dont fricked the whole planet up and that is our great cosmic crime.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Eating Animals Evil?
    No, but it is immoral and "wrong" to superior more evolved beings and that's why we won't be welcomed into the galactic community until we stop doing it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My go to is the mirror test, if an animal can reliably and consistently pass the mirror test it automatically is not ok to eat for me.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yea, it is. However, Yahweh, the evil israeli Storm god(lower case) that created this realm made it mandatory if you want to survive to increase suffering for the loosh farm. Just look at how vegetarians wither away or even get cancer from eating exclusively plants(Steve Jobs). It’s all by design. Either you don’t participate in the loosh farm and transcend, dying early or you continue eating meat increasing suffering. And then you realize that even eating vegetarian diets exclusively kills more animals than meat based diets. https://consumerfreedom.com/2023/01/peta-admits-vegan-diets-kill-animals/
    Basically if you live in this realm, you cause and receive suffering. The best way out is not playing the game and trying to increase joy and love to those around you.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no one gives a frick what you eat or dont eat, aside from maybe your immediate family

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Okay.

      Yea, it is. However, Yahweh, the evil israeli Storm god(lower case) that created this realm made it mandatory if you want to survive to increase suffering for the loosh farm. Just look at how vegetarians wither away or even get cancer from eating exclusively plants(Steve Jobs). It’s all by design. Either you don’t participate in the loosh farm and transcend, dying early or you continue eating meat increasing suffering. And then you realize that even eating vegetarian diets exclusively kills more animals than meat based diets. https://consumerfreedom.com/2023/01/peta-admits-vegan-diets-kill-animals/
      Basically if you live in this realm, you cause and receive suffering. The best way out is not playing the game and trying to increase joy and love to those around you.

      And some do all right, just depends what they are eating, I think he was a fruititarian btw.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It seems this taste for meat, and flesh even if healthy stunts our ability to care, and respect others, and for them to do the same for us.

    Have you ever raised and killed your own food before, anon?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is your point, nice numbers btw.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    your little protest isn't helping or hurting the welfare of animals. if the majority of us were vegans, animals would suffer greatly, even more so. many would likely have to be disposed of in mass droves because of overpopulation and getting all up in our ethical bizznazz. plus since we're not allowed to eat their meat, the constant burning of animal corpses would further pollute our atmosphere. plus just not eating meat isn't enough, OP. the clothes you're wearing. are they made by vegans? is the website server host the site is on, are they vegans? is the proxy server host to that site a vegan? likely nah and nah. is everybody who makes your smartphone, certified vegans? nah. do it, if you have dietary restrictions, but i wouldn't cut out meat altogether. a balanced, omnivorous diet is just perfect for humans. look at every vegan on youtube that tells you otherwise. they look like shit. not so much the men, but veganism really tears up a woman's body

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The negative effects of the transition toward a diet not derived from animal flesh is an R&D problem. A lot of things need to change to accommodate a people who find all life sacred.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your post is either very smart or AI generated, i won't reread it. But if it is the first option then i add this. I don't eat flesh because of i wouldn't want a higher entity to eat me just cause i taste good. If it was survival in the wilderness, maybe. I see it as don't do to others what you wouldn't like done to you. We are smarter and we can breed imprisoned animals and eat them but we are not the smartest and i don't want to be imprisoned and eaten.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's fair.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >revolving your diet around hypothetical alien carnivores
      absolute state of /x/

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. I am not that anon, but it's explained in the post. It's not about hypothetical alien carnivore, the point is looking at it from a perspective and not doing to others what one wouldn't find morally right to be done to oneself in similar situation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. I am not that anon, but it's explained in the post. It's not about hypothetical alien carnivore, the point is looking at it from a perspective and not doing to others what one wouldn't find morally right to be done to oneself in similar situation.

        When i say that, i think of smarter unseen entities, not physical aliens. I feel i will be more resilient against strong bad influence if i am not a bad influence on lower creatures than myself.
        It's similar to "being hypocritical makes you weak" which is simiar to "lying makes you weak".
        I would say almost everyone who eats meat is hypocritical in this way. It's quite the test i think. Eating meat is test of honesty.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honesty vs pleasure and maybe a bit better health if you eat unpolluted meat, which is not much at all.
          So it is honesty vs pleasure for most people. No "wrong" answer, just consequence.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Eating Animals Evil?
    No.
    Too many vegans and similar assume that an expressed trait, like compassion, when expressed it cannot be tempered or one cannot go against as if it'd exist in a void. No such trait in a well-developed human does. Compassion, as well as other traits are tempered by practical considerations as well. It doesn't negate it, it adds conditions beside it that affects one's course of action.

    Some small-time farmers of yore had a good attitude there. The cattle they raised they cared for, they hoped to provide it relatively decent, suffering-less living, but they understood they don't do it for the sake of it, but because the flesh they helped the cattle develop and maintain, they are to take, for the sake of themselves and their close ones. The cattle was still cared for, but it wasn't a pet. You raise a being and then, barring special circumstances, one day you harvest what you've raised that being for.

    I eat meat. I'll continue, if able, to eat meat. Not just because it's tasty, but because in my situation, with my health, physique and circumstances in life it's the best source of certain nutrients. If there'd be suffering and death-less version of it that I'd have a solid guarantee isn't coming at considerable price or with some hidden, negative effects, I would have no problem switching to that. But, while we made certain steps exploring lab-grown meat or other meat-like substitutes, we're not there yet.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism can't be approached logically in a practical manner because vegans become vegans due to emotional distress. They don't care about upkeeping veganism as a solid framework, they care about that pig squealing, this is the reason why they end up killing so many animals in the process of trying to save that pig, well, not them as individuals but the vegan machine they've created.

    If you're lucky enough to squeeze some answers from a vegan regarding that point, they'll tell you that eradicating millions of insects and small mammals is the lesser evil that leads to saving the bigger cuter mammals. It really is all half moral delusion and half a capitalist scheme.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is veganism a capitalist scheme, and moral delusion?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because unlike with vegetarianism, vegans don't usually turn vegans for dietary reasons but for moral reasons. This moral framework they hold is immediately destroyed by the fact that the vegan industry kills millions of insects and rodents in order to maintain stocks. I mean, haven't you read what i've just said?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This human body is meant for inquiring into self and the Absolute Truth.
    If you want to eat flesh, there are better bodies to do that.

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