If someone is born evil, it is truly on them, or is it the creators fault?

If someone is born evil, it is truly on them, or is it the creators fault?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    evil is something that must be bred. You need the right temperature, atmospheric conditions and conscious decisionmaking. It is spawned as a thought or as an emotion or feeling. Either the spiritual wills itself into committing a sin or your thoughts and your planning will it. It can come from either way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I used to be a really good person but I finally decided to lean into the evil that was around me because I was weak willed after decades of abuse including childhood abuse. It finally broke me in my mid 20s. Evil is the easier choice when you are in such a situation. Choosing good is a daily battle. I was tired of battling. Now I’m tired of the consequences that come from choosing to act evil. I’m a work in progress and doing my best to go back to being a good person. I used to be such a good and selfless person who didn’t even touch drugs or alcohol or cheat or lie or break any sort of rules. It’s all about willpower and personal choice. Human beings can even defeat evil spiritual entities who try to convince you to become evil. It is just VERY difficult and time consuming. Even though it’s difficult it is ALWAYS a choice to go against it or go with it. Human beings have the most agency in the universe. Even more than demons do.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    would you kill baby Hitler - the thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hitler was never born evil, anon. No one technically is. But for this pondering question, let's just say someone is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Amoral brains exist, they have to be psychologically conditioned from childhood and kept under pervasive threat in order to prevent criminal expression of their nature, they don’t have any inherent tendency to remorse, compassion, or friendliness, only fear and manipulation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sociopathy is not amorality, sociopaths are more inclined to act with an ideology than morals in their purest form

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Would only kill hitler so the israelites can't use him for victimhood and gain control to subvert countries and then expell them for real.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "Evil" is willful ignorance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So Christians.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Define evil, hivemind.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it is the creators fault, but for the sake of those that they harm they will have to be murdered, if nothing can be done for them. Why would it be their fault? This is silly, it's just a situation of: what has to be done has to be done, if what has to be done can't be a healing of the evil person in question.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't much of a loss if they're murdered immediately as they're born, or before hand
      development happens physically, neurologically and mentally
      Killing a fetus isn't as terrible as killing a child or an adult. It hasn't stepped down into reality with both feet yet, so it can easily step back out and return in better circumstances.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but the kid!
        they're going to end up murdering tons of kids when they become an adult and then magically lose all right to empathy, anon
        🙂

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think evil people exist as an example of what not to do?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no, that would be stupid because it's unnescesary! Humans are innately good, as is written into their genetics, proper cooperation and treatment of your fellow is necessary for survival in le human experience, so it is written into our bodies and minds, physically and spiritually
        it's only when necesary developmental milestones and emotional and physical and psychological needs aren't being met that the self starts to deteriorate
        A child, all children, any you can pick out, any one
        All of them, if they are not effected neurologically by issues at or before birth, and never face any impedence to their emotional and psychological development and growth, will become good people. Examples are unnecessary, and due to the nature of what real evil is and what actually causes it, completely useless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but muh psycopaths!!!!
          even if it arises with no external cause to blame on then pre-emptively fix before one is born, issues with empathy, if identified when the child is young, can be fully treated and healed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            with only behavioral therapy, due to their brain's plasticity, it can grow and cross the necessary wires to form empathy if it doesn't arise naturally.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The brain isnt infinitely plastic though, if it was, you could turn every stupid kid into a genius with some kind of therapy. There are alot of limitations and turning psychopathetic into an empathetic person is probably one of them. You can easily make a psychopath into a decent member of society though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not to be insane, but due to the nature of consciousness and what can be accomplished in fostering it via spiritual practice, yes it is actually, in increasing yourself you'll never plateau

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ill believe it when one of you gays actually becomes superman and starts flying around destroying buildings

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what are you talking about, no one here has made claims like this
            On the level of manipulating oneself neurologically, physiologically and psychologically via practice, this is already proven to be possible, and can be replicated by you
            This is not at all an unreasonable thing
            https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/11180396
            https://doi.org/10.1093/scan/nss056

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I dont disagree with this post, i just disagree with the "never plateau" bit. At some point, to make your brain any better, you are going to have to increase you skull size via spiritual pactice or shrink your neurons to smaller than an atom. At that point, you might as well do other impossible things like flying around like superman
            It was rude of me to phrase it like that but i stand by what i said

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know man I've heard some fricked up stories about kids that're straight evil from birth despite parents doing everything they could to stop it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >fricked up stories about kids that're straight evil from birth despite parents doing everything they could to stop it.

            Post examples.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have experience with this.

    I was born the nicest person in the world but god hates that. God has spent my whole life torturing me and making me evil.

    God hates kindness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      God is indifferent and lets things play out. Evil hates kindness and goodness. If you are punished for being good, it is because no one good thinks you are worth being protected.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's because this universe is an evil dimension and good does not come here so you won't find anyone who is unconditionally nice and helps you. Anyone who won't unconditionally uplift you to enlightenment and ascension to better realms is an evil spirit. And good souls get tortured in this dimension to keep us trapped here.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're born evil because they intentionally inverted their souls in a previous life. Or maybe not idk

  8. 1 month ago
    Open Sesame

    god hardens people's hearts so that he can work wonders thru them. the story of pharaoh is somewhat problematic for Orthodox Judeo-Christianity because St. Teresa of Avila says when we do good that's God's grace but when we sin that's our own free will. but when pharaoh sinned it was God hardening his heart so he could work wonders thru Moses. it's more akin to Allah in the Koran who says he leads atheists astray, and makes them sicker and sicker with their beliefs

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Evilness is God's wisdom misplaced.

    To give a simple exemple: using reason when emotions are required, or judging only by feelings when reason is required, these are evil tendendencies. Both reason and feeling are gifts from God nonetheless.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When placing blame, its almost always a good idea to place the blame on the more powerful entity as they had the greatest capability to change the situation
    For someone on the level of an omnipotent and omniscient being who also created everything. Every single problem should be attributed to him. Taking blame away from the guy who can literally do anything but still fricks up is a bit silly

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when you create sufficiently complex structures unwanted side effects will arise. the creator may not be allmighty in the resolve paradoxes by itself sense, it can only do so in our universe via giving the creatures time to resolve the unwanted part of their creation. perfection only arises by the end of the universe.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good and evil are subjective evaluations projected outward.
    Why are you declaring God's creations are evil at the moment of birth?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There are objective evaluations of good and evil. The suffering of the self for no gain is considered an evil universally so that which causes suffering to yourself is evil. Even if you disagree, you will subconsciously agree and try to destroy/change the thing causing you suffering
      Since everyone feels the same way, we can pretty safely say that causing suffering to anyone is evil and since humans cant live without causing suffering, humans are evil

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There are objective evaluations of good and evil.
        Wrong.
        >The suffering of the self
        There is no objective suffering.
        >that which causes suffering to yourself is evil
        Per your logic - I have never suffered from raping someone. Therefore, rape is not evil.
        >Since everyone feels the same way
        Collective subjective judgement is STILL subjective.
        There is no objective good and evil. There cant be. Judgement is necessarily subjective.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I have never suffered from raping someone
          If reincarnation is to be believed (souls should be a property of the universe and the universe does not delete things) and its not bound by a single direction of time, a situation can arise where your previous self rapes your current self, hence causing suffering to yourself by causing suffering to others making its objectively evil
          Even if it is bound by time, every single soul is fundamentally part of the greater universe. Aka, you are the universe and causing suffering to anyone is causing suffering to the universe which is yourself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Poor take. Identifying as the universe will not make you the universe. You will continue to not even know when some kid dies over in Africa, much less in another galaxy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The universe doesnt need to know itself, you were made entirely from homegrown universe parts, theres nothing un-universe about you. Your body functions even functions entirely with the universe laws. Saying you are the universe experiencing itself is far from an exaggeration

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >a situation can arise
            Irrelevant. A situation can arise where something you think is objectively evil will benefit all people and prove you wrong, if we want to make up situations.
            Even with your situation it is STILL a subjective evaluation. It cant be anything else because it is entirely dependent on a self's judgement of the event.
            There is no objective suffering.
            Suffering does not exist without a subject.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Subjective doesnt mean fake, people can make true subjective statements and theres no reason for them not to
      Velocity is subjective yet i bet you wouldnt whine if someone declared that their car is going 250kmph. This is you
      >velocity is a subjective evaluation projected outward
      >Why are you declaring your velocity at the moment of your cars peak performance?
      Fricking nerd

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How is velocity subjective? It seems very objective to me. I hope you don't think relativity makes velocity subjective. The observer has a subjective view but the velocity is still objective in that it exists outside of the mind of the observer, unlike judgements such as good and evil

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If it doesnt exist without the subject then how can you call it objective with a straight face?
          >its objective but it vanishes without the subject
          >all objective things do this
          >iron atoms fricking disappear when you arent interacting with em

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't agree that this happens. I think the subject stops being able to view the objective happenings. I don't believe that consciousness generates reality, I believe that it interprets reality. How else could it be? You can't picture a color without first seeing a color. Consciousness interprets objective sense data and thus adds a subjective element

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't agree
            It's been tested under lab conditions repeatedly, that's kind of like saying you don't agree that gravity exists anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, you don't understand the experiments result. Interference is created by our tools, it doesn't matter whether a conscious observer is there or not. An ordinary computer will receive the same result as a human.

            "Despite the "observer effect" in the double-slit experiment being caused by the presence of an electronic detector, the experiment's results have been interpreted by some to suggest that a conscious mind can directly affect reality.[3] However, the need for the "observer" to be conscious (versus merely existent, as in a unicellular microorganism) is not supported by scientific research, and has been pointed out as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process."

            Don't be fooled by ayylmaos

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Interference caused by tools is an assumption, there is no evidence that this is the case, and the interference assumed has not been uncovered

            Interference from simply looking at the object after all is a questionable idea, especially when the tests are repeatable and do not change with different instruments

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Subjective doesnt mean fake
        Never said it did.
        >Velocity is subjective
        No, velocity is relative. Depending on a frame of reference is not the same as requiring a subject.
        Having more or less sugar in a food is relative.
        Whether that food is yummy is subjective.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You are right, its requires TWO subjects for it to work. Its even more subjective than morality is which only requires one subject
          Im sure the sugar disappear when the subject disappears just like velocity disappears when the things thats travelling fast disappears. More or less speed, more or less sugar, both can vanish spontaneously apparently

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Im sure the sugar disappear when the subject disappears just like velocity disappears when the things thats travelling fast disappears.
            Nonsense. Sugar content does not disappear without a subject.
            YUMMY disappears without a subject.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thats the point, the amount of sugar doesnt disappear when the observer disappears so why does the amount of speed disappear when the observer disappears? I damn near embarrassed myself with how much i emphasized the sarcasm but it wasnt enough for you

          • 1 month ago
            Evil Anon

            Don't mess with my friend or things are gonna get ugly around here.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Frick you, what ya gonna do when i bring MY friends over?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

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            Anon, are you from France?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >so why does the amount of speed disappear when the observer disappears?
            It doesnt. And we arent talking about speed - which is NOT relative. We are talking about velocity, which is. Vectors and scalars are different.
            But neither speed nor velocity disappear without a subject.,
            What would disappear is whether that velocity is fast.
            The JUDGEMENT of the objective is what requires a subject.
            And good and evil are JUDGEMENTS.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There are no universal directions so without the subjects, speed and velocity are the same damn things and become equally meaningless.
            If there was a single object in the universe, saying it has any velocity at all would be the statements of the deranged. People would wonder what the frick you are even talking about. You would be judging an objective thing with an imaginary property

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There are no universal directions so without the subjects
            Wrong. Relative is not the same as subjective.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Relativity is a judgement, you are judging two things and comparing them. Relativity cannot exist as something objective which doesnt require judgement

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Relativity is a judgement
            Wrong, it is a result of stating an initial frame of reference. Requires zero subject.
            It is not a judgement to state something's relative velocity.
            The judgement is declaring that velocity to be fast or slow.
            Relative is not the same as subjective.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How can someone be born evil?
    "Why are you killing me???"
    "Because I'm evil, gosh I really hate what I'm doing I'm crying here because of me killing you all I'll get is bad feelings from doing this"
    'Evil' is just good but corrupted, you wait for something good as the end result not something bad, the problem is how you achieved that result.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    did david attenborough ever talk about evil

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For me personally it becomes a nonissue, being born evil is not the same as being born without principals or a soul, if being evil itself is the wrong then god is too blame, but you still have a responsibility to live to a set of values

  16. 1 month ago
    Evil Anon

    Evil here, I was born evil, no outside influences and come from a family of good people.

    I use prescription drugs and use my phone all day. I am the only one like this on my family, I am afraid I cannot change and need help with life.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it sounds like your soul is carrying emotional baggage of past lives traumas. You have to work on those. Also clear all soul contracts that don't serve your higher self https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btutnrQnvjw

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ever since we cursed ourselves in the garden, bad stuff has had to happen until God comes back and judges, and heals the world

    although God is sovereign, God’s will, as in desire, can’t fully be done until it’s time for the Kingdom of Heaven to come fully to Earth

    something has to happen

    when it does, God will save the righteous from the wicked, irrespective of who calls themselves “saved” or “born again”, because God sees the hearts

    we pray, however, in hope for the eventual salvation of every person

    God will save animals too

    t. Catholic

    first and last post in this thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not a christian, but I see evil as a part of what makes this world perfect - it creates meaning and freedom, evil is wonderful so long as it never tries to destroy good, I think if there is a hell in the christian sense it is reserved for the Soros types who wish to redefine good to make their evil righteous

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >God will save animals too

      This is a perfect example of why Catholics dont understand how the reality operates.
      God creates the Creation, and then need to save something in it.

      Just for crying out loud..

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is a difficult question. If God willed, they would not be evil. At the same time, God holds them accountable for their evil. At least it seems akin enough to all the other perplexing realities of our existence.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who are people to decide what is evil and what is not what if some murderer killed a person that was going to drop a nuke? I think only a higher power could decide.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some Mystics say that God needs entertainment, and that God wants to see a battle between good and evil.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >fault
    Everything God does is good and serves a purpose even if we are too stupid to see it

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