i was chanting "om gam ganapataye namaha" for a while and then i hallucinated (?) an angry female voice who said "i don't like him...

i was chanting "om gam ganapataye namaha" for a while and then i hallucinated (?) an angry female voice who said "i don't like him doing that!"

i understand the scientific explanation is mental illness / imbalance of chemicals in my brain but what's the spiritual explanation?

who wouldn't like me doing that? an extra terrestrial? an interdimensional being? a ghost? a demon? an angel? or even a goddess?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is your family ok with your Ganesha worship?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My dad and sister wouldn't be. They're Christians (we all actually became Christians about 15 years ago.) My (Catholic) stepmom either wouldn't mind or she'd say it's my mental illness.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We all have internalized versions of our loved ones within our minds. They are like AI simulations that we host unconsciously. Could the angry female voice have come from your internalized sister?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The voice didn't sound like anyone I know

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then it might be Ganesha's girlfriend.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I came here to ask the same thing. I've been using this mantra for years, now. I live by myself and no one ever scolds me for working with him.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mantras, vedic mantras require initiation to be chanted. Otherwise they bear no fruit or have adverse effects (a mantra for wealth could produce poverty and so on)
    But there are regular songs and prayers anyone can chant
    Maybe that voice was the goddess telling you you should go through the proper channels

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mantras, vedic mantras require initiation to be chanted.
      OP here. I've heard VERY mixed opinions on this from people from India. Some have said "go for it" and some have said I need initiation with a guru or something. Not sure how to feel but I enjoy chanting the mantra and I want it to bring me closer to Ganesha.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are some things anyone can chant. I'm not indian so i don't really know the culture, but what i've read or heard about not everyone having autorization comes from swamis or spiritual masters. Padma purana states "sampradaya vihinas ye mantra nishphala te matam", mantras devoid of sampraraya, lineage or tradition, bear no fruit
        But then there must be some forms of worship available to us. After all, we are in kali yuga. This age concessions are made since the culture is not as prevalent or easily observable

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ganesh will initiate you himself if you ask
      he is the lord of efficiency

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Hindu texts explicitly state that anyone can chant mantras, give praise, etc. there's no initiation involved. It's a part of that singular godhead thing, we're all extensions of the gods, so if anyone is "gatekeeping" they are obstructing the truth, freedom, and peace that all are supposed to experience, and they might actually be rakshasa (demons).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not gatekeeping anything. Just saying we should follow the procedure. All the scriptures also say to approach a spiritual master and learn from him

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We're our own masters though, we have been and will be again, all the "masters". The texts are essentially all one needs.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Texts are themselves association with the spiritual masters. Listening to them, and serving them, through their recorded teachings.
            It is silly to say "I shall only listen to masters of the past", and puts yourself as an authority over all of them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that guy but initiations are only for real mantra that are passed down they don't just give them to anyone.

            The ganapataya mantra is pretty generic like the mahamrityunjaya mantra or om.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, anyone obscuring knowledge is not a friend to humanity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But getting a book/scroll/etc. and learning the practice regardless of size of scope is not the same as what was previously said that "one needs to visit a master to be inducted". And in reality, most gurus/masters would rather be left alone, otherwise they're usually looking for charity or dedicated new monks.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you are not asking in a submissive, open mood, and willing to serve, then you are not learning the practice.
            Yes - honestly reading and following the texts is the same as visiting a spiritual master with one exception.
            If you only read, you have no one there to correct misconceptions and bad habits.
            >most gurus/masters would rather be left alone
            Only the weak "masters" that needed to shut themselves away from society in order to not be distracted and tainted by it.
            Such masters are like a doctor that refuses to be around sick people.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not gatekeeping anything. Just saying we should follow the procedure. All the scriptures also say to approach a spiritual master and learn from him

        This is truth by the Bhagavad Gita, which I follow through advaita vedanta. The voice might have been a spiritual parasite that makes you doubt. Try Aum meditation on a singular point to see if you feel different afterwards, it's a good way to detach them. Use this if needed.

        https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lejlMJw3RI_yPHr3WCNko9r8zK0VVDctE

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Hindu texts explicitly state that anyone can chant mantras, give praise, etc. there's no initiation involved
        This is singularly the most moronic shit in the current world. Also this view is precisely why no random worship bears fruit.
        There are things that all people have rights on,you won't follow that and do random shit. Then suffer the consequences. Don't blame Hindus when something doesn't go as planned

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >initiation
      If that were true, who initiated the first practitioner? Idiots like you that go on about 'muh initiation' are the problem with literally EVERYTHING

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >who initiated the first practitioner?
        Why do you think there is a first?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If that were true, who initiated the first practitioner? Idiots like you that go on about 'muh initiation' are the problem with literally EVERYTHING
        The veda literally talks about how knowledge of the divine was passed from father to son and perfected. It must have begun in crude manners but that's not the same as precise stuff.

        For example we have cars now. Someone made wheels millenias ago. Would you allow that wheel making guy to work on your car ? I mean he obviously is capable of creating the most crucial component of the car,the thing that makes it move. He must be able to fix the car then.

        Do you understand why your argument is baseless now? The first guys were literally obsessed with sounds,letters,the way words interact with the world and mind and body . All this before the gods came to them and showed them the mantras in their visions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You've obviously never heard the story about the monk and the boat, have you?

      TL;DR-
      A guy lives alone on an island and practices the Om Mani Padme Hum for most of his life. A monk eventually hears of this and pays him a visit. When the monk gets there, he's horrified to learn the guy is saying it wrong. He tells the guy, who's heartbroken. The monk hops back in his boat after telling him that he may have time to correct his frick up. While in the middle of the water source, he realizes he left something at the guy's house. He gets a tap on the shoulder "You forgot this. Thanks for the help, by the way."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So the guy was sitting silently in the boat, just holding onto this forgotten item?
        What a douche?
        And how did he get back home? Swim?
        Seems like a stupid waste just to try and hold one over the monk that he forgot something.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah the punchline is different in the original koan

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My tradition has a parable of a boatman and a professor. Professor takes a ride from a boatman across a river, and as they go he asks
            >Say boatman, I have spent a lot of time on hydrodynamics, do you know about the friction coefficient of weather and have you optimized your rowing?
            >I dont know about any of that. I just get the boat across.
            >Well, boatman, I'd say you have wasted 25% of your life.
            And then as they continue the wind starts to pick up.
            >Say, boatman, I have also spent some time on aerodynamics, and have you considered installing any sailing equipment on your boat? Riggings and rudders would surely make your job much easier.
            >I dont know about any of that. I just make sure to get across the river.
            >Well, sir, I'd say you have wasted 50% of your life on this.
            And then the wind gets stronger, and it starts to storm.
            >Boatman! This will surely delay the passage and is a great danger. Dont you ever consider the weather conditions before you set off, and chart your time and course appropriately?!
            >I dont know about any of that. I am asked to get across the river, and I do.
            >This is very troublesome! You have easily wasted 75% of your life on such lack of planning!
            And the wind and rain and waves become so much that the boat capsizes, and both professor and boatman were thrown into the river.
            >Boatman! Boatman, you must help me! I have never learned to swim!
            >Then, it seems you have wasted 100% of your life, professor.
            And the boatman swam away, making sure he got to the other side.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, the guy walked across the lake to give back the item that the monk forgot, and the monk realized that there is no one easy to reach enlightenment.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And my phone changed "way" to easy.
            I guess there's no one true way to spell correctly, either...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and mane padme hum isn't a vedic mantra. Nor do all mantras require initiation. Those that do won't work otherwise. Stories are good way to convince yourself of delusion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why didnt he fly? Or simply use others siddhis to reach out and place the item next to the monk?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because the story goes that the guy was completely ignorant of all of it except for the "holiness" of the saying, and secluded himself in an effort to fully commit.

            It's a parable about how literally among can reach the end result if they fully commit to it, even if it doesn't match the "official" methods like some may think. Essentially-"Hey, we get you're not an ascended master or have a teacher with centuries of experience to piggyback off of, but if you stick to the common meditations and focus earnestly, then everyone can eventually reach enlightenment. It's not paywalled, relax."
            The other part of it is to teach those who think they know the "true" way that they are on the same journey as everyone else, and that there are many paths to reach the destination. It teaches them humility, and to not lose sight of their own journey by fretting over the perceived mistakes of others.

            Yeah and mane padme hum isn't a vedic mantra. Nor do all mantras require initiation. Those that do won't work otherwise. Stories are good way to convince yourself of delusion.

            "Here, you forgot this (you). Thanks for the help, by the way."

            Yeah and mane padme hum isn't a vedic mantra. Nor do all mantras require initiation. Those that do won't work otherwise. Stories are good way to convince yourself of delusion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's a parable about how literally among can reach the end result if they fully commit to it, even if it doesn't match the "official" methods like some may think.
            But the end result they give - walking on water - is just as much an external signifier as being able to perfectly pronounce the mantras. That was my point of why use that extgernal power when there are better ones to use? What does it matter these external displays of power, whether grammar or floating or flying?
            The parable doesnt work because it suggests the proper end result is mystic power, not self-realization.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The parable does work in the method you're describing. You're basing your thoughts on my TL;DR. I suggest reading the original source to get a more accurate opinion on it instead of taking me at my word and going from there.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You never gave an original source. And if that is your tl;dr, then you are showing that walking on water is what stayed in your mind.
            What context am I missing that the story doesnt make that feat out to be the impressive part?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If I remembered the name of the story, I would've posted it, but never said I would give an original source. And you're the one hung up on the water detail. Now go walk into the nearest body of water and try not to sink. Then follow the old man in the story and not the monk and attain enlightenment without being bound by preconceived notions of "what makes walking on water so special? Why are you talking about water?". You're playing the part of the monk here. It's not about water-the water walking acts as a vehicle to show what the devoted old man achieved by giving up his earthly desires without even realizing it. He could've flown through the sky, or had the item carried on the wind, or whatever, but the author chose him walking across the lake, not me. Take it up with the dead guy, if you're so inclined.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i was chanting "om gam ganapataye namaha" for a while and then i hallucinated (?) an angry female voice who said "i don't like him doing that!"
    I wouldn't either. That spiritual domain smells of poo.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you seeking out Ganesha? Intent is important.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because I had an experience with him a couple years ago (you can read about it here: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37294106/ )

      I'd like to dissolve the illusion of Maya / attain realization / become enlightened so I can stop suffering (IDK what to call it, people in previous threads have been splitting hairs about my wording. Why argue over semantics?)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why argue over semantics?
        If you went to a travel agent and said "I want to go to Aruba or Fiji or whatever," you may think it is just semantics and makes no difference because tropics are tropics, but the travel agent will not be able to help because the direction to either of those are in opposite directions.
        In a similar way, you may think terms like enlightenment and self-realization are the same thing because they both claim to remove suffering, but a process to understand there is no self and the process to see the self as the only thing in existence are completely opposite, even as the end result sounds so similar.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How were u chanting, verbally, as a whisper or just internally in ur mind?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Verbally

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    0 rizz
    op you need to stop giving supernatural entities the ick
    you're lowering everyone's vibrations.
    Either that or you're angering your ancestors by worshiping foreign devils.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Choose a different god. That's my advice, friendly Anon. Take care.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    try a different one

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember, Lord Ganesha was a wrassler. Knew how to take a coward down and put them onto the earth. Jacob was a wrassler. Wrassle that coward that pretends to be a demon, it won't wanna wrassle cuz its a coward.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrasslin is the divine sport.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's funny, a female voice told me to chant this very mantra this morning
    and then to get on /x/

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure Ganesh is not an Elephant headed dude, but more close to some sort of tentacle head akin to C'thulu

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i was chanting "om gam ganapataye namaha" for a while and then i hallucinated (?) an angry female voice who said "i don't like him doing that!"
    Most likely this is a parasite spirit or demonic spirit that is connected to you in some way.
    It seems unlikely that some angelic intelligence is angry that you are chanting a sattvic mantra.

    This mantra will remove dirt and impurities from your mind, and replace it with sattvic qualities. But when the dirt is being drawn out, there can be dirtyness.
    The artharvashirsa hymn is especially known for this quality of purifying the mind - but really all sattvic mantras will do this in some way, but the type of mantra tells which type of sattva it brings, and which type of tamas it removes.

    So when you first start a sattvic mantra there can be a period of darkness, or fear, or delusions, as the darkness is being drawn out, but you will eventually start to stabilize and understand the wisdom and energy of the mantra.
    Just stick with it.

    And for those whining about initiation, most of these are public, common knowledge mantras, that are sung by school children and published in Indian newspapers. It's hardly much different from a Christian deciding to pray a Psalm on a daily basis. Or the Christian parable of "ask, seek, knock, and the door will be opened".
    Ganesh is the gatekeeper of the Hindu pantheon, so its a great place to start, and can remove obstacles to your further spiritual path.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Most likely this is a parasite spirit or demonic spirit that is connected to you in some way.
      Hellish spirits do not like chanting sattvic mantras, because it will eventually cause them to be exorcised, or to lose influence over you.
      There are many testimonies of people reading scripture and it is likely pouring burning oil onto evil spirits.

      Ganesh is good for removing obstacles like fear on a spiritual path.
      https://www.prophet666.com/2011/02/ganesha-worship.html
      The author of the website, and the calm demeanor he has, I believe is a result of a lot of Ganesh mantras.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the goddess decided its time to stop worshiping all these lower gods and worship her

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