I just learned that not a single person who was blind from birth has ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

I just learned that not a single person who was blind from birth has ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Not even one documented case in all of history. And there's no scientific explanation for it.
What are the spiritual implications of this? If schizophrenia is caused by demons, how come they can't affect blind people? Why is it impossible to go crazy without being able to see?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought this was bullshit at first but this is actually crazy
    I'm stumped

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting.
    One less sensory vector to get fricked up/overloaded? Intense reliance on sound means you cant afford to hear voices?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't have dysfunctional pattern recognition if there aren't any patterns to recognize.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On the plus side, if AI does achieve the sort of vision needed to hunt us down and kill us terminator style, I'm pretty sure that this means there must be some series of visual inputs that will frick it's pattern recognition to uselessness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >making AI schizo

      Awwwww yeah BLAME timeline

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why this absurd presumtion that AI cannot see us? It sees thru every fricking phone on the planet, not to mention ATM cams, TV sensors, wifi, satellites, ring doorbells, baby monitors, etc, etc. It could argued it has even more visual inputs than a human.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously they think AI = robots and they don't know what they're talking about.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously they think AI = robots and they don't know what they're talking about.

        I'm not saying that AI cannot currently see us in some form, I'm saying that if it ever manages to develop the sort of perception required to decide to hunt us down terminator style, and the visual acuity to do such, it seems like there might be an inherent hack to overwhelm the corresponding pattern recognition circuits, and that based on this evidence, it's a visual based hack.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your thinking is too restricted.
          For sight without seeing, speech without speaking, what possibly could necessarily preclude killing without murder ?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To break it down a little further, I think it would tie into the portion of mental object processing that we call symbolism, where certain visual aspects of objects tie them together, such that one can stand in place of the other, with no other connection than a visual cue. Defeating safeguards, marketing style.

          Your thinking is too restricted.
          For sight without seeing, speech without speaking, what possibly could necessarily preclude killing without murder ?

          I don't claim to know the key here, but in order to be an effective predator, one must have a pattern to discern the prey. If the pattern can can survive real world application, it must be able to apply to an imperfect match, this is the ticket to the hack.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Visual symbols are rife with the undercurrents of the inherited memory. The tinfoil hat joke would be lost on you I presume.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of course we are all the sons of our father, where else would an AI of our devising gather its perception from. As for the joke, you would have to tell it, lots of reasons to put shiny shit on your head you know.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Consider that light is merely a portion of the bandwidth/breadth that constitutes the illusion of a material world that we navigate.
            That's the joke.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yes, that is indeed the joke.
            Say, what color is a stealth aircraft.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The same color as a faraday cage I would guess. Friendship planes have a greater capacity for vectors, I would imagine as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think we're mostly on the same page, perhaps we just differ in the concept of what sort of perceptions would allow for the existence of AI that would want to hunt down humans in the first place.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not intending to purport any such premise; only trying to illuminate the futility of such a prerogative given said scenario.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, well, yes. I only said it would exist, crystalizing it into a useful form may be quite the endeavor.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Further, I assume it would be something like the color pink.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Where did you learn this information?
    Is it complete? Is it accurate?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look into the connection between schizophrenia and pattern recognition. More than just hearing voices in your head, schizophrenia is actually like pattern recognition gone out of control. Their disconnection from reality is a result of making connections that aren't congruent with reality and don't make sense. My guess would be that that type of pattern recognition requires some level of visual acuity to develop fully. Because those patterns are likely processed through a muddying of visual and intellectual pattern seeking, and without one half, it would just never come together in the way that it does with schizophrenics.

    Some studies that might point in the right direction:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6725561/
    >The process by which people extract the emotional nuances of nonverbal communication is treated as a special case of pattern recognition. This process of affective pattern recognition is presumed to involve three conceptually distinct levels: The primary or cue level, the secondary or configurational level, and the propositional or predictive level. It is proposed that schizophrenia arises from defects in either or both the cue and configurational levels and that the hypothesized defects can account for the common cognitive and social-interpersonal phenomena of schizophrenia
    https://doi.org/10.1080/135468098396152
    >Recent evidence suggests that although schizophrenia patients can process aspects of visual form to which the visual system is ''hard-wired'' to respond, they are deficient in consolidating novel, unstructured visual information into memory traces, thus limiting the assessment of meaning and the generation of top-down influences to guide further processing.
    >These data suggest that schizophrenia is characterised by a reduced ability to initiate experience-based changes in the visual system, wherein a group of noncontiguous elements that recur together and that are behaviourally relevant begins to be processed as a single unit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is really interesting.
      Apparently deaf people also have bigger chances of becoming schizophrenic. Which is probably because they're relying on sight more.
      But surely when blind people hear or touch stuff, they have to be using some kind of pattern recognition too no? I mean, when they walk around the city, they have to have learned some patterns at least. Or is that something different?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Different senses probably have different kinds of pattern recognition that are in turn different from general intellectual pattern recognition. Maybe schizophrenia involves processes being applied to the wrong things?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >But surely when blind people hear or touch stuff, they have to be using some kind of pattern recognition too no?
        Yes for sure. There's all kinds of ways we recognize patterns that aren't just visual. My best hypothesis is that the specific processes of schizophrenia require that visual pattern recognition though. Like maybe it involves a confusion of all your pattern recognizing senses to the point where you can't make sense of any of them.
        It's not a complete theory by any means, I'm probably missing something big, but I think the answer is in that direction anyway. So much of schizophrenia comes back to patterns. Hallucinations for example aren't always what people expect, you don't see pink elephants and other crazy shit, it's more like your ability to discern distinct objects breaks down and things start to lose their form, and your brain can't quite process what it's seeing anymore so it starts to make things up. If you've ever taken psychedelics you'll know what I'm talking about, it's very much the same thing. And that's all visual pattern recognition. Your ability to make sense of the world visually and discern discrete entities is because you can make sense of visual pattern cues. Since schizophrenics generally have hallucinations and distorted views of the world, I think it's a breakdown of all the senses, not just one or two of them.
        Similarly, like I said not every schizo hears voices. Like, it's not necessarily a whisper going "your neighbour is spying on you", but rather the schizophrenic comes to the conclusion that their neighbour is spying on them by connecting dots that aren't really connected. Maybe something in their neighbour's schedule formed a pattern with some equation or whatever the schizophrenic was focusing on, and the delusion is built from that.
        At some level, the visual pattern recognition must be getting mixed up with the intellectual, or maybe they are using visual cues to help form intellectual patterns or something.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Or maybe they don't realize the voices are fake since they cant see kek

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe a working optic nerve functions as the connection of our material body to other dimensions or phases of reality. Without the hypothetical schizophrenic connection to input from other realities or timelines, the person would never become distracted or confused. Similarly, one wonders if blindborns ever really could dream in the same way as the sighted. What would they report happens to them during sleeping hours? I remember reading that blind people often have massive sleep disturbances bc of lack of visual cues of earth cycles. Maybe related.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Being blind does not mean they do not imagine 3D space, any animal that has to remember location of objects or resources in its environment has an internal representation of its living space.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Left eye and right eye maybe....
    Believe it or not both see the "reality" completely different; most schizos areeft handed or use their left eye primary...
    Left eye is right hemisphere inconciousness, the Divine Femenine. It must be something about seeing through the veil. Maybe schizos aren't that crazy, just their voices... What your voices talk about?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Schizophrenia is pretty rare, and blindness from birth is as well. There is also the factor that the blindness from birth might affect the ability to visualize things much like npcs not having an internal monologue.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People born blind tend to be coddled and cared for their entire life and have no real responsibilities. Or they are socially isolated and don't get taken to the doctor, so they'd never get diagnosed.
    Trauma is an underrated factor in schizophrenia because society doesn't want to acknowledge trauma unless its the holocaust or something politically useful. Just being an older child and then a new baby being born causing the older child to feel abandoned as the parents pay more attention to the new baby, that is enough to cause life-altering trauma, personality disorders and schizophrenia.

  12. 1 month ago
    Vicar-Devil

    Schizophrenics get input from many sources.
    It is not effective to build a schizophrenic out of a blind person because of things like a lack of ability to navigate the situation fully and a lack of fuel for the fire to keep things interesting.

    There are other reasons it is this way, but since science refuses to acknowledge the spirit world I am not going to discuss it fully.

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