"Hylic" & "Materialist" Is A Cope Of The Powerless & Delusional

1. The words "hylic" and "materialist" are only ever used by impotent (powerless) occultists / spiritualists. The people who believe they have abilities/powers, but are actually unable to do anything at all. In other words, their "specialness" is all in their head, and they are really just delusional, and they hate hylic/materialist (logical) rhetoric because it naturally leads to self-reflection and doubt.

These types will claim all manner of abilities and special traits, yet they don't see any irony in the fact that they are stuck being a wage slave like everyone else who isn't special. They just can't connect the dots that they are mediocre and just delusional, and they don't really have any abilities.

People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives. I'm sure there are a few People with a 140+ IQ that bag groceries for a living, but that's a huge exception. Geniuses (people with special abilities) tend to prosper in life.

Special people live special lives.

2. The idea that magic/occult has no "material" goals is new age nonsense made up specifically so that occultism and magic could be sold to the average person as a convenient little package of an effortless ego boost, because it allows you to feel special while accomplishing absolutely nothing ("I felt some energy or something bro, I must be special").

Alchemists in the past were literally trying to turn lead into gold (it wasn't just figurative).

The Magnum Opus of alchemy was creating the philosophers stone so that one could attain immortality.

Both are very materialistic goals. Materialistic goals have always been a part of the occult and the study of magic, one of the main obvious goals being "power" (it's likely why most people get into the occult, the allure of power).

So stop it with this hylic / materialist coping mechanism stuff. The only people that say this shit are the people who have given up on ever doing real magic.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do you do practice magic?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I would say yes, but I honestly don't consider it "practicing" until I've attained a certain level of skill with what is considered the "basics".

      I really can't accept the label because I don't think it fits me yet. Until I attain abilities that distinguish me from the average non-practitioner, there's no point in me considering myself a practitioner. Anything else is just delusion, there has to be a standard.

      Though I'm sure most people posting are just larping and they don't take any of this occult stuff as literally or seriously as I do.

      Holy shit this is a novel of hylic cope

      >hylic cope

      lol ok hylic

      >lol ok hylic
      You are really just proving my point. There is no difference between you and the everyday person who doesn't believe in the occult that you'd call a hylic. You have no abilities just like them, so what is the point of the label other than to give yourself a false sense of security.

      Filth.

      >Filth.
      Lol, you are atleast being creative.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You are really just proving my point.
        Not really. Only one of us is making an assumption and it's not me. Your materialist take on alchemy proves you're a hylic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Your materialist take on alchemy proves you're a hylic.
          That's not "my take", that's literally what happened. John Dee was literally trying to turn lead into gold (and other alchemists too) and he was a literal genius.

          But let me guess, you are a greater and more knowledgeable occultist than John Dee was was highly valued by the Queen of England at the time.

          >Only one of us is making an assumption
          Saying that there is such a thing as a "materialist take" on alchemy, rather than just being alchemy (or atleast part of it) is an assumption.

          Laughing in Space-time Reductive Materialism

          >Laughing in Space-time Reductive Materialism
          cringe

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was common for alchemist back then to claim alchemy was about literally turning lead into gold so they could get the patronage of a king. Do you know what aspiring alchemists who interpreted the teachings literally used to be called? Puffers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you know what aspiring alchemists who interpreted the teachings literally used to be called? Puffers.
            Yes, I don't get your point. People who claim that they can literally do any kind of real magic (not "stage magic") get called names.

            This seems like a strange projection to me. Not everyone who is interested in occultism is interested in worldly power. Many, such as myself, are interested in asceticism and renunciation more than anything else.

            If I take issue with a way of thinking that is very different from my own, it's not for being materialistic. Granted, I have my own materialistic aims. I have simply endeavored to strip them down and refine them. I don't scorn anyone for pursuing wealth or even opulence. I only take issue with such pursuits when they are abusive to others, especially children, or directly facilitate abuse.

            >Not everyone who is interested in occultism is interested in worldly power.
            You only don't have an interest in worldly power because your circumstances allow you to be blissfully ignorant.

            For example, the ascetics to live in certain countries have to depend on donations and offerings from the people around them in order to survive. That's the irony of asceticism, you still need to depend on the material wealth of the "hylics" around you, and then you go around speaking of how you are not "part of the world".

            People like you who call themselves ascetics are even more humorous, because you likely work a 9 to 5 job and directly earn your own material wealth lol. You are definitely interested in the power of money since you need it to survive, you just play a weird semantic word game with yourself so you can rationalize working for money to survive to not be "interest in worldly power", but money is power, and we all have an interest in it for our survival.

            >Granted, I have my own materialistic aims.
            LMAO, you can't make this shit up.
            >I have simply endeavored to strip them down and refine them.
            Give yourself five extra pats on the back for me, you are truly enlightened.

            It's literally scary how the human mind can make itself rationalize any and every contradiction. Cognitive dissonance is a sight to behold.

            >I don't scorn anyone for pursuing wealth or even opulence.
            Yeah, but you rightfully can't though, because you're doing it too. As you said - "I have my own materialistic aims".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, it's projection, as originally suspected. I think you'd do better to first convince yourself of your worldview before trying to persuade others.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes, it's projection, as originally suspected.
            I don't think you understand what the word projection means in this context.

            Projection is "I'm placing the beliefs I have about myself onto others".

            But I don't believe that I have any abilities nor do I claim to, so "projection" doesn't fit in this case.

            >before trying to persuade others
            I don't need to persuade anyone. Reality is reality, the truth is the truth, whether delusional copers believe me or not, they will remain powerless.

            Just as I don't need to persuade anyone that if they jump from the top of a skyscraper they will fall to their deaths. I am merely giving notice, they can keep being delusional if they want.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, that isn't what I mean by projection, not exactly. You've projected beliefs that you hold about people in general onto me specifically, and you've done so in a way that is either inapplicable or irrelevant. You made a strawman argument, which is why I didn't give a detailed reply. There wasn't anything to respond to.

            >I don't need to persuade anyone
            The multiple pages of text you've written ITT indicate otherwise to me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The multiple pages of text you've written ITT indicate otherwise to me.
            Yeah, one thread made about this specific topic, compared to the thousands of posts and threads that are going to be made about "hylics" and "materialists" not "knowing the truth" or "being sheep".

            Are those posters trying to endlessly convince others, or are they just merely stating their beliefs?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >thousands of posts and threads that are going to be made about "hylics" and "materialists" not "knowing the truth" or "being sheep".
            >Are those posters trying to endlessly convince others, or are they just merely stating their beliefs?

            If somebody is going on and on about it, it looks like coping to me. They're trying to convince themselves of something. I'll use a framework here that I generally find useful: Dąbrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration.

            I think that when a person becomes preoccupied with what they perceive as the inadequacy of the masses, they are experiencing the second stage, unilevel disintegration, but in refining their worldview, they oscillate between the second and third stages as they individuate and develop their own system of values. That is how it happened with me.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >taking internet fights serious
        >implying its possible to prove anything to "true believer" and hardcore zealot
        Its waste of time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You are really just proving my point
        No, you are not in position to decide what is real and what is not, what is possible and what is impossible.
        For someone who sees himself as wageslave like everybody else you have an ego of size of mountain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >everyday
        >person
        No such thing, conformism and collectivism are not compartable with personhood.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No such thing, conformism and collectivism are not compartable with personhood.
          >I'm special, don't lump me together with others
          Ok buddy.

          >CIA-RDP96-00787R000300110001
          Ah the remote viewing training. I've actually looked at this before but I never bothered trying because I've never seen anyone who claimed that they can do it speak of any practical application for it in real life.

          You ironically just posted a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's an "ego stroke skill".

          1. They never test the ability in any way to screen for cognitive biases (delusion, confirmation bias, placebo effect, etc)/

          2. They never use the ability in any objective way that could benefit their life financially (which would actually help with point #1, as something you are deluded about could never be depended on to ensure your survival in society).

          It's just something that a lot of people think they can do, never really test, and they get to pat themselves on the back and feel special while accomplishing nothing.

          Lucid dreaming is another thing like that, but atleast the people who do this don't call it magic/powers/abilities. But it's still a useless "ego boost skill". It's like "I can control my dreams", ok, and then when you wake up you can't control your actual life, what's the point. I ironically have a lot of lucid dreams without trying, I've never been interested in learning how to do it on purpose, because it's just escapism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >shits on people that say hylic because they're just gays that don't have any real power
        >admits that he himself, doesn't have any real power

        Black person what the actual frick are you doing. You'll also eventually reach a point where you realize that most hylics overlap with npcs and their hate is warranted. Doesn't mean to be a dick, still treat them with respect, dignity and compassion, but they're a bunch of dumb bipedal sentient cattle that TPTB view as nothing more than a resource.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There is no difference between you and the everyday person who doesn't believe in the occult that you'd call a hylic. You have no abilities just like them, so what is the point of the label other than to give yourself a false sense of security.

        The only thing I'm going to say is that you have no idea who the actual frick browses this shithole. Your hubris is so abysmal that it will realistically get you killed by negative entities.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol ok hylic

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit this is a novel of hylic cope

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Filth.

  5. 1 month ago
    LUCIFER

    Laughing in Space-time Reductive Materialism

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I gotta go to bed, this thread will probably be archived by the time I wake up.

    To all the "anti-materialists", keep coping, and to all the rest with common sense, good luck.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    robots,npcs,hilics and lucifer tripgay larpers on suicide watch.

    the cope is real.
    hahahaha.

  8. 1 month ago
    LUCIFER

    Alchemy is literally Natural Science.

    Understanding the material - through science - is a prerequisite for the Great Work, and you're simply not going to get the Stone if you give up on creation and resign yourselves to fantasy.

    By all means, enjoy the fantasy - but you won't master the material world.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This seems like a strange projection to me. Not everyone who is interested in occultism is interested in worldly power. Many, such as myself, are interested in asceticism and renunciation more than anything else.

    If I take issue with a way of thinking that is very different from my own, it's not for being materialistic. Granted, I have my own materialistic aims. I have simply endeavored to strip them down and refine them. I don't scorn anyone for pursuing wealth or even opulence. I only take issue with such pursuits when they are abusive to others, especially children, or directly facilitate abuse.

  10. 1 month ago
    LUCIFER

    The Stone literally does transmute metals and prolong life, among other things. It's not a metaphor.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon if only you knew how stupid you sound

      • 1 month ago
        LUCIFER

        No Stone for you, obviously.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This TL;DR message was brought to you by a hylic cattlemember huffing insane amounts of copium.

    Go back to your pod, hylic.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have you spent any time with normal people? Typically their thought processes are very simple. This may be mere appearance, but I suspect that the majority of people are moved by forces they are unaware of. No outward projection. Outward-in stimuli is the primary function of how they interact with the world. I suspect that a portion of people using 'hylic' or 'materialist' as a pejorative don't quite fit the mold of your average person. They are simply trying to simplify and identify this very apparent and persistent phenomenon. However I'm in agreement that it isn't a healthy or proper way to frame the 'hylic'. It shouldn't be used as a pejorative, but should be stated for what it is.

    I think you would be surprised to learn that many geniuses do end up doing mundane jobs, if not dropping out entirely. It is currently very hard for a genius to self actualize (let alone get a proper education) in the way historical geniuses have been able to. In fact there is a deliberate effort in academia and the media to suppress genius as all our institutions are gatekept by 110-130 IQ midwits. Being genius isn't a super power, and it's really not respected by mainstream society. People tend to be contemptuous of genius intellect. Not to mention with the population explosion, and if statistics are to be believed, there are 40 million geniuses to compete with. If you were a genius and unable to self-actualize, you would likely have more than a tinge of bitterness towards inferior intelligences. I suspect some of the people who use terms like 'hylic' come from this subset of people.

    You misunderstand alchemy. Ideal results would synthesize a materialist gain through material methods. Chemistry is a divergent path that attempts this, but has come up empty handed. The type of alchemy discussed on here generally refers to an entirely different divergence.

    (cont.)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Metaphysical alchemy attempts to synthesize in the material by traveling upward in to ineffable territories, grabbing something, and bringing it back to the material plane. Nevertheless results such as turning lead in to gold seem to be outside our grasp in a literal sense as well. The silver lining is that you can turn thought forms that are made out of lead (not genius) in to thought forms that are made out of metaphorical gold (genius). All being well, this gives you a material gain somewhere along your ladder. Dominant culture doesn't always allow this principle in actuality.

      I think you are mixing up a percentage of occultists and misidentifying the part for the whole. You are correct there are some people precisely how you described. I would suggest searching a little deeper in your studies and within yourself when making judgements.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Metaphysical alchemy attempts to synthesize in the material by traveling upward in to ineffable territories, grabbing something, and bringing it back to the material plane. Nevertheless results such as turning lead in to gold seem to be outside our grasp in a literal sense as well. The silver lining is that you can turn thought forms that are made out of lead (not genius) in to thought forms that are made out of metaphorical gold (genius). All being well, this gives you a material gain somewhere along your ladder. Dominant culture doesn't always allow this principle in actuality.

      I think you are mixing up a percentage of occultists and misidentifying the part for the whole. You are correct there are some people precisely how you described. I would suggest searching a little deeper in your studies and within yourself when making judgements.

      midwit hylic gets rekt by actual enlightened genius

      op is the exact type of midwit described trying to gatekeep words

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I suspect that a portion of people using 'hylic' or 'materialist' as a pejorative don't quite fit the mold of your average person.
      No, they fit the average person very well. The average person is desperate to "feel special" rather than looking for ways to genuinely "become special", this is why they'll get a tattoo, start dressing a certain way (goth look), start meditating and calling themselves "spiritual", etc.

      They are looking for a quick fix ego boost, for the people that use the words "hylic" or "materialist", they are just taking the "I'm spiritual" or "I'm an occultist" route, but they are using empty labels/titles because they don't have any actual feats/abilities to affirm the label/title.

      They just slap it onto themselves like a bumper sticker, but "hylic" / "materialist" rhetoric acts as a natural dissolving agent to the adhesive of that sticker, and that's why they don't like it.

      >I think you would be surprised to learn that many geniuses do end up doing mundane jobs
      Not many, but few, and it is usually by choice that they end up in mundane jobs, not because of their lack of ability (which is the case for those who use terms like "hylic" and "materialist'). If you do some research you'll see that there is an average IQ range for specific jobs. For example, engineers are usually in the 130 range if I remember correctly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Embarrassing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          First off i wrote that hastily, and actually my iq is 130 and i consider myself a genius. Thats how I was able to reduce all arguments in this thread down to what they actually are. You guys are actually the real hylics, and I definitely am not one and you morons in this thread should listen to me because I figured occultism out. All of you are just trying to feel special about yourselves and that is your only motivation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's not genius level though, it's not even that rare statistically
            It's more likely than schizophrenia and as likely as "janitor level" IQ

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Op here. I dont have a 105 iq, i am actually 130 iq. Proving you wrong yet again i am not janitor level.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It is currently very hard for a genius to self actualize (let alone get a proper education) in the way historical geniuses have been able to
      No it's way easier, what the hell are you talking about. The only difference is that they won't be as famous as they were in the past, we'll never hear about them, but they will be working at high levels in different scientific fields.

      I just googled to find a story about one, never heard of him before this very moment:
      Jacob Barnett. He has an IQ of 170, taught himself calculus, algebra, geometry, and trigonometry in a mere two weeks, and enrolled in the astrophysics program at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis when he was eight.

      My point was literally this, people with special abilities live special lives. If someone can genuinely read peoples minds they should be a millionaire because that's a million times more special than having a 170 IQ.

      So whenever I see someone claim to have some kind of occult ability, I expect to see them describe a life that is equally as special.

      >If you were a genius and unable to self-actualize, you would likely have more than a tinge of bitterness towards inferior intelligences. I suspect some of the people who use terms like 'hylic' come from this subset of people.
      Lol nope. I suspect at this very moment that you are one of those people, because now you are pretty much asserting that using the term "hylic" indicates that you might be a genius, when one has nothing to do with the other lol. You are really just making shit up at this point.

      >I think you are mixing up a percentage of occultists and misidentifying the part for the whole.
      I never claimed the whole of anything, just specifically those who use the term "hylic" and "materialist", and all occultists don't speak like that.

      [...]
      midwit hylic gets rekt by actual enlightened genius

      op is the exact type of midwit described trying to gatekeep words

      >midwit hylic gets rekt by actual enlightened genius
      If your threshold or proof for being a genius is a comment on EerieWeb, then I don't know what to tell you lol.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The soul continues to putrefy.
    Goals unmet, dreams unlived, potential squandered.
    What was once a golden horizon of opportunity switches to a cold, callous demeanor shaped by the world walked. Resilience now a currency to be bartered with, the path ahead appears only of shadow and loneliness.

    All that is false will be burned away, scorched to ash upon which the new seeds of understanding be buried in the fertile murk. All flowers ultimately face the Sun.

    When this is done, yours shall be the largest sunflower of the crop.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives
    Check your hylic stats, more of them are depressed than the average morons.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >1. The words "hylic" and "materialist" are only ever used by impotent (powerless) occultists / spiritualists. The people who believe they have abilities/powers, but are actually unable to do anything at all.
    This is literally freudian projection.
    >and they are really just delusional
    In other words they are heretics.
    and they hate hylic/materialist (logical) rhetoric
    There nothing logical about it, you just replaced bible and other religious books with offical narrative and priests with experts.
    >because it naturally leads to self-reflection and doubt.
    And is this why you are so fanatical?
    You contradict yourself.
    >2. The idea that magic/occult has no "material" goals is new age nonsense made up specifically so that occultism and magic could be sold to the average person as a convenient little package of an effortless ego boost, because it allows you to feel special while accomplishing absolutely nothing ("I felt some energy or something bro, I must be special").
    Enlightenment, knowledge and wisdom are not material.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This is literally freudian projection.
      Not projection, but an observation.

      If you claim to have power, but your left reflects a reality of powerlessness, either reality is wrong or you are, I wonder which one it is? lol

      >Enlightenment, knowledge and wisdom are not material.
      Enlightenment is just some subjective term that none of you ever define, which is why anyone and their grandma can claim to be enlightened without any kind of proof for it (this is why cults can get formed and people easily become followers, because they don't look for objective criteria and instead follow their heart).

      As for knowledge and wisdom. These things can be translated into the material because they are valuable. I actually think you are right now defining unproven and untested things as "knowledge" and "wisdom" right now. Because last time I checked, knowledge and wisdom is the reason why you and I can communicate via technology.

      So what do you mean by "enlightenment", "knowledge" and "wisdom"?

      >taking internet fights serious
      >implying its possible to prove anything to "true believer" and hardcore zealot
      Its waste of time.

      >Its waste of time.
      I don't need to prove anything, I just need to let the truth be heard so that those with common sense can save themselves.

      >You are really just proving my point
      No, you are not in position to decide what is real and what is not, what is possible and what is impossible.
      For someone who sees himself as wageslave like everybody else you have an ego of size of mountain.

      >For someone who sees himself as wageslave like everybody else you have an ego of size of mountain.
      Nothing I said has anything to do with my ego. If you saw someone saying 1+1=11, and you tell them 1+1=2, that doesn't make you egotistical.

      >you are not in position to decide what is real and what is not, what is possible and what is impossible.
      Ironically you will not apply this same standard to the people I'm talking about, and tell them that they are in no position to decide who is a "hylic" or a "materialist". Also, I am not "deciding" anything, reality is deciding it. People with special abilities live special lives, if your life isn't special, that reality is telling you what you are.

      I'm just reminding people about reality, I'm not deciding anything.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jeff Bezos and a lot of Silicon Valley bros come on here and shitpost about plebs, hylics, and “materialists”. It’s an inside joke to see who can trigger the most plebs. Sorry but you hylics probably won’t get it.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    non-local property of conciousness is already proven
    OP is a homosexual
    CIA-RDP96-00787R000300110001

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See here:

      >No such thing, conformism and collectivism are not compartable with personhood.
      >I'm special, don't lump me together with others
      Ok buddy.

      >CIA-RDP96-00787R000300110001
      Ah the remote viewing training. I've actually looked at this before but I never bothered trying because I've never seen anyone who claimed that they can do it speak of any practical application for it in real life.

      You ironically just posted a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's an "ego stroke skill".

      1. They never test the ability in any way to screen for cognitive biases (delusion, confirmation bias, placebo effect, etc)/

      2. They never use the ability in any objective way that could benefit their life financially (which would actually help with point #1, as something you are deluded about could never be depended on to ensure your survival in society).

      It's just something that a lot of people think they can do, never really test, and they get to pat themselves on the back and feel special while accomplishing nothing.

      Lucid dreaming is another thing like that, but atleast the people who do this don't call it magic/powers/abilities. But it's still a useless "ego boost skill". It's like "I can control my dreams", ok, and then when you wake up you can't control your actual life, what's the point. I ironically have a lot of lucid dreams without trying, I've never been interested in learning how to do it on purpose, because it's just escapism.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reddit troony spacing

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nice b8

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nice b8
      It's the truth.

      >shits on people that say hylic because they're just gays that don't have any real power
      >admits that he himself, doesn't have any real power

      Black person what the actual frick are you doing. You'll also eventually reach a point where you realize that most hylics overlap with NPCs and their hate is warranted. Doesn't mean to be a dick, still treat them with respect, dignity and compassion, but they're a bunch of dumb bipedal sentient cattle that TPTB view as nothing more than a resource.

      >admits that he himself, doesn't have any real power
      Yes, and unlike them I have the self awareness to see and admit that.

      Don't you think it's crazy that they can't admit to their own powerlessness when reality shows them how powerless they are?

      Don't you think the person who is most likely to one day find real power, will be the person who has already first acknowledged their powerlessness?

      If you believe you have abilities when you don't, you'll never change the path you're on to a path which leads to you having abilities.

      So they will remain stuck being powerless.

      >There is no difference between you and the everyday person who doesn't believe in the occult that you'd call a hylic. You have no abilities just like them, so what is the point of the label other than to give yourself a false sense of security.

      The only thing I'm going to say is that you have no idea who the actual frick browses this shithole. Your hubris is so abysmal that it will realistically get you killed by negative entities.

      >The only thing I'm going to say is that you have no idea who the actual frick browses this shithole
      There are always exceptions, but most people browsing, just based on probability are the regular powerless wage slave.

      I don't know if I'll win the lottery either, but based on probability I'm pretty sure I won't.

      >Your hubris is so abysmal that it will realistically get you killed by negative entities.
      I think the entities will appreciate my honesty and self awareness, and that they actually hate delusional wannabes more than people like myself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It seriously feels like you're trying to be the "pick me girl" equivalent to esoteric entities and spirits. Do your own practices, shut up and stop being a homosexual. If you want to discuss things, go for it because /x/ is a place to do so. But this stuff your spouting is seriously moronic and makes you come off as a massive tryhard. Can you even astral project?

        Also
        >If you believe you have abilities when you don't, you'll never change the path you're on to a path which leads to you having abilities.

        The abilities are there the entire time you genuine fricking clown. Just because you don't realize them until you're almost 40 doesn't mean you attained them. You're the occult equivalent to a /b/tard that discovered EerieWeb three weeks ago and is indulging in the lolsorandum shit.

  20. 1 month ago
    Not a prophet

    Whatever man
    Didnt read past first sentence. How powerful u feel now chump?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Didnt read past first sentence. How powerful u feel now chump?
      My entire point is that I am also powerless, I'm just not delusional like the people who claim to have powers but are on the same level as me.

      It seriously feels like you're trying to be the "pick me girl" equivalent to esoteric entities and spirits. Do your own practices, shut up and stop being a homosexual. If you want to discuss things, go for it because /x/ is a place to do so. But this stuff your spouting is seriously moronic and makes you come off as a massive tryhard. Can you even astral project?

      Also
      >If you believe you have abilities when you don't, you'll never change the path you're on to a path which leads to you having abilities.

      The abilities are there the entire time you genuine fricking clown. Just because you don't realize them until you're almost 40 doesn't mean you attained them. You're the occult equivalent to a /b/tard that discovered EerieWeb three weeks ago and is indulging in the lolsorandum shit.

      >It seriously feels like you're trying to be the "pick me girl" equivalent to esoteric entities and spirits.
      I honestly don't get what you mean by this. Those entities and spirits are not browsing EerieWeb lol, and I honestly don't want to work with an invisible powerful entity until I have some level of ability all on my own.

      >Can you even astral project?
      Can you?

      What do you mean by astral projection and what tests did you do to distinguish it from simply lucid dreaming?

      There's a lot of people who claim they can do astral projection when all they've actually done is train their minds to be proficient at lucid dreaming.

      >The abilities are there the entire time you genuine fricking clown.
      Sure buddy, the angrier you get, the more right you sound.

      You have zero idea what you’re talking about, OP. That, or you’re a shill attempting to muddy the waters. I won’t be returning to this thread however, have fun.

      >you’re a shill attempting to muddy the waters
      This is ironic. I think the people who have subjective standards are the ones that are muddying the waters, and on some level I think this current "culture" in occult communities where there is no objective standard is a psyop to gate keep most people from ever attaining actual abilities.

      Give people the low hanging fruit of instant gratification and they'll never even bother to climb the tree to get the quality stuff.

      Too many people are satisfied with calling themselves "occultists" for "feeling energy" or "having a vision", all immeasurable parlor tricks that they haven't really tested and that have no real world application.

      I am pretty sure that there are occultists with real power, literal power, they can affect physical reality and beyond, and they do so to their benefit everyday.

      Everybody else is just kidding themselves because they are desperate to feel special.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just down to talent like everything else lol, thats life
        we are the NPCs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >just down to talent like everything else
          I can only hope that it isn't like this to such a degree that it is impossible for me to ever become a true occultist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean if your powers havent awakened by now I have some bad news
            It has to be extremely fricking rare or it would be well documented

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I mean if your powers havent awakened by now I have some bad news
            I don't think that powers "just awaken" as if there is some innate power that is specific to me. When I'm thinking of powers/abilities, I'm thinking about what can be attained by anyone if they do the training. People in the past lived in times where they weren't always distracted by technology and they be more likely to engage in mystical/occult practices.

            Even if it's to a small degree the most basic occult ability is a super power in this world.

            If you could only move an object weighing 10 grams, at most 1 inch, and you only do it once every 24 hours, you could still test that ability over a long period and use it become a millionaire (pachinko games, roulette wheel games, etc).

            Even though that ability is weak and pretty much useless, since it defies natural law, there is always some way to exploit it to still be useful.

            If someone only had to ability to move banana peels with their mind, they could still become a millionaire with such a random and wacky ability lol.

            This is why I doubt all the people claiming to have all of these amazing abilities, they should definitely be at least six figure earners if not millionaires.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Alchemists in the past were literally trying to turn lead into gold (it wasn't just figurative).
    >The Magnum Opus of alchemy was creating the philosophers stone so that one could attain immortality.
    Western alchemy, mostly, which missed the point of internal transformation. Though there was also that for a bit in the east before it turned into internal alchemy itself.
    Many of those processes were symbolic for transformation fo self, though along the way you could have gotten abilities that would lend themselves to material goals.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You have zero idea what you’re talking about, OP. That, or you’re a shill attempting to muddy the waters. I won’t be returning to this thread however, have fun.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why should I care about my position in samsara? Can you explain to me, hylic?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why should I care about my position in samsara?
      Why are you assuming that you know the "model" of the universe. You believe that the karmic system is the "model" of this universe, but the Christians could be right, or the Muslims could be right, or the Germanic faiths of Norse mythology (Thor, Loki, Etc) could be right, or some unknown religion that was lost to time that ironically none of us have ever heard of could be the correct "model" of this universe.

      Nobody knows, everybody is just guessing, it's something you'll only know the answer to after you die.

      But you know what we all do know at this very moment while were alive, somebody ironically needs to pay for your internet connection in order for you to talk with me right now lol.

      You see, you do care about your position, because your position determines the level of comfort and convenience that you have (computers, electricty, toilet, grocery shopping, etc). You are just not aware enough of your own priviledge that you think of yourself as someone who doesn't care about their position on samsara.

      You do care, you are just priviledged enough to live in a world where less thought can go into how much you care because it's easy for the average person to gain access to the conveniences and pleasures of the world.

      If you had to fight and kill to have an abundance of food, instead of working a 9 to 5 job and then going to a grocery store, then you'd realize how much you care.

      A lot of you guys just lack the ability to be introspective, and a lot of you lack self awareness and honesty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The entire first paragraph here is wrong. None of those systems are correct, you fricking moron. They are unequivocally metaphor for something universally undeniable; karma being one of the many facets of that universal truth. Stop being a literalist homosexual on EerieWeb and make some use of your soul an mind.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Okay I will not use the m-word but you are such a physicalist. Someone who wants to give lecture about spirituality wouldn't have physical modal of universe.

        Samsara is a just a good word. Elon says simulation, Rumi says dream. Point is, its not real. So it isnt that much important.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Someone who wants to give lecture about spirituality wouldn't have physical modal of universe.
          I gave no lecture, especially not about spirituality. I'm just pointing out delusions.

          >Point is, its not real.
          That's just semantic bullshit, because if I'm part of a simulation then the simulation is "real" to me.

          Is the life of an ant living in a glass case ant colony "fake" simply because it was placed in that environment?

          This kind of thinking is ridiculous. If it's all so fake just KYS, how about you send me all of your crypto too and send me all of your funds to my paypal lol.

          The people who are talking all of this "none of it's real" nonsense for some reason won't give up their worldly possessions, and won't simply just kill themselves, literally just like everyone else who thinks it's real.

          If your actions in life are no different than the people who think this is all real, then what is the point of you trying to distinguish yourself from them by claiming it's fake?

          I don't trust words, I trust actions, anybody can just say anything.

          Not one of you guys live as if you believe none of this is real, you are all very attached to this reality and you seek out modern conveniences and comforts just like everyone else that thinks it's real.

          I don't think you realize how meta this conversation is, because you are doing the same thing I talked about in my original post. People who claim something, but their real life doesn't reflect that claim.

          What about your life screams "I don't believe any of this is real"?

          I know you aren't going to live in a log cabin by yourself, you're probably going to watch some Netflix like every other person after you close this thread lol. Like come on, you guys are just kidding yourself. Giving yourself a fake ego stroke for "knowing the truth" and "not being a sheep", when you live just like the "sheep".

          >it's a simulation
          >it's not real
          Then lives life like it's real and not a simulation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >A lot of you guys just lack the ability to be introspective, and a lot of you lack self awareness and honesty
        ...Is anyone gonna tell him?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual shut the frick up

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can confirm. As a supragenius I live better than mere geniuses.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    okay i mean you can say that all you want but if they’re all just claims that something is false and not real then i hope you are correct :^)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about what's real, it's about those who claim they are capable of it being able to demonstrate to themselves that it's real through tangible accomplishments in life.

      Most honestly don't care about proving anything to themselves, because they were never interested in actually being capable, they were only interested in feeling special and getting an easy ego stroke.

      >People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives. I'm sure there are a few People with a 140+ IQ that bag groceries for a living, but that's a huge exception
      according to what?

      >according to what?
      Statistics, go google:

      >I suspect that a portion of people using 'hylic' or 'materialist' as a pejorative don't quite fit the mold of your average person.
      No, they fit the average person very well. The average person is desperate to "feel special" rather than looking for ways to genuinely "become special", this is why they'll get a tattoo, start dressing a certain way (goth look), start meditating and calling themselves "spiritual", etc.

      They are looking for a quick fix ego boost, for the people that use the words "hylic" or "materialist", they are just taking the "I'm spiritual" or "I'm an occultist" route, but they are using empty labels/titles because they don't have any actual feats/abilities to affirm the label/title.

      They just slap it onto themselves like a bumper sticker, but "hylic" / "materialist" rhetoric acts as a natural dissolving agent to the adhesive of that sticker, and that's why they don't like it.

      >I think you would be surprised to learn that many geniuses do end up doing mundane jobs
      Not many, but few, and it is usually by choice that they end up in mundane jobs, not because of their lack of ability (which is the case for those who use terms like "hylic" and "materialist'). If you do some research you'll see that there is an average IQ range for specific jobs. For example, engineers are usually in the 130 range if I remember correctly.

      >If you do some research you'll see that there is an average IQ range for specific jobs. For example, engineers are usually in the 130 range if I remember correctly.

      I'm sure there is possibly a janitor with a 170 IQ, but on average the IQ of a janitor is like in the 80's to 90's range.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's no IQ census you dishonest Black person

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives. I'm sure there are a few People with a 140+ IQ that bag groceries for a living, but that's a huge exception
    according to what?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >high IQ people
    138. Magic is real. Hylics are npc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >138. Magic is real.
      Nobody can verifying your IQ, or else mines is 200. Also, nobody said magic isn't real. I believe magic is real, I just believe that too many people lay claim to being capable of it when their life doesn't reflect that capability, and when I point that out, they call me "hylic" despite my belief in magic.

      The entire first paragraph here is wrong. None of those systems are correct, you fricking moron. They are unequivocally metaphor for something universally undeniable; karma being one of the many facets of that universal truth. Stop being a literalist homosexual on EerieWeb and make some use of your soul an mind.

      >None of those systems are correct, you fricking moron.
      You don't have any proof of that moron.
      >karma being one of the many facets of that universal truth.
      Once again, no proof, it's just some shit you believe

      There's no IQ census you dishonest Black person

      >There's no IQ census you dishonest Black person
      You can believe whatever you want, at this point you are just being willfully ignorant, because your answers are a google search away.

      It's not all bad dude , for one thing it's always on my mind to do regular vibe checks. Sometimes a Man/Woman doesn't really comprehend where they truly come from. On the other hand if I write my daily life with positive feelings it's as if I'm the star of my own show.

      >What is the meaning behind it all ?
      That's my point !

      A liar crying wolf does not mean wolves aren't real , every funny occurrence isn't witchcraft or the paranormal. One must judge with clarity based on evidence , more moral spiritual and psychological than physical.

      >How does your flow of time feel ?
      In my mind I accept and love only the good but bad situations call for extreme measures (trolling).

      Nothing said on this site should be taken too seriously , buddy .

      >as if I'm the star of my own show.
      You are kinda proving my point about the whole ego thing right now

      >What is the meaning behind it all ?
      I never said this or anything like this, why are you using it as a quote and responding to it, you are literally talking to yourself right now lol.

      >A liar crying wolf does not mean wolves aren't real
      I never said magic (wolves) isn't real, I am saying that a lot of liars are crying wolf though

      >How does your flow of time feel ?
      Once again, you are really just making up quotes to respond to, I never said anything like this. At this point I have to assume that you forgot to quote some other poster that you are responding to.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no proof
        just because you refuse to read the proof out there doesn't make it stop existing. get raped and skinned

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is no IQ census. Assuming the average mass intelligence is not an honest choice to make.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no IQ census.
          There's data and studies about the relationship between IQ and career paths already. If you want to refuse to google the research yourself just because you want to feel right, then that's your character flaw.

          This is just one example I quickly found with a single google search:
          Can't post the PDF link, just search in quotes "IQs of Academics in Different Disciplines" to find it.
          >We are aware of only two studies that specifically look at interdisciplinary differ-
          ences in IQ among practicing academics, those of Roe (1953) and Gibson and
          Light (1967). Table 1 lists the relevant findings of these studies.

          >then your so called powers have already matured enough.
          No, there is always more.

          >It's more hygienic to wash your ass instead of using toilet paper
          Obviously, but if you shower everyday what does that matter. Nobody is going to be fricking me in the ass for it to require being super clean all the time lol.

          It's funny how you say this and also say that being a hermit is the best path for an occultist lol. A hermits entire body is un-hygenic, not just their ass.

          I think I'll end the conversation here too, I've said enough in this thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based gifted Chad

      I myself am 129 last I checked years ago but we still dunk on op haha

      Imagine still being tunnel visioned about materialistic existence in 2024

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God smiles upon me, troony. Can you say the same?

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not all bad dude , for one thing it's always on my mind to do regular vibe checks. Sometimes a Man/Woman doesn't really comprehend where they truly come from. On the other hand if I write my daily life with positive feelings it's as if I'm the star of my own show.

    >What is the meaning behind it all ?
    That's my point !

    A liar crying wolf does not mean wolves aren't real , every funny occurrence isn't witchcraft or the paranormal. One must judge with clarity based on evidence , more moral spiritual and psychological than physical.

    >How does your flow of time feel ?
    In my mind I accept and love only the good but bad situations call for extreme measures (trolling).

    Nothing said on this site should be taken too seriously , buddy .

  31. 1 month ago
    LUCIFER

    >nobody knows

    there's a select few mathematicians and realized beings who do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there's a select few mathematicians and realized beings who do.
      They have theories, they'll only know the truth 100% without a doubt after they die.

      • 1 month ago
        LUCIFER

        we already died. you have simply forgotten

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody said that hylics can't be successful or that they are unable to comprehend "magic".
    The real limitation of the hylic is that he doesn't really have a will of his own or a sentience to speak of.
    Hylics are rag dolls without souls.
    Imagine if an AI was controlling a human biological shell, this is what a hylic is
    An NPC that is destined to serve in the background.
    He needs to be managed and taught by Psychics his whole life.
    The psychics use the media, books, education and advertisements as means to direct the collective hylic hivemind.
    The Psychics are people who can easily access the astral realm, but this makes them susceptible to demonic/archon possession.
    It is possible for a hylic to promote himself to the rank of a psychic, but it's very rare and the people who try it lose their minds in most cases.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody said that hylics can't be successful or that they are unable to comprehend "magic".
      I never said they said that, are you guys even reading what I'm literally saying, or are you just putting in unnecessary effort into trying to interpret some meaning I never said.

      >The real limitation of the hylic is that he doesn't really have a will of his own or a sentience to speak of.
      You are talking about the original definition, my thread is talking about how it is used, and the kind of people it is usually used by.

      we already died. you have simply forgotten

      >we already died. you have simply forgotten
      Here comes the schizo shit lol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You obviously tried to make the correlation that geniuses and people with high IQ are the ones with special powers.
        You wrongly think that the processing power of the frontal cortex is the thing which defines your astral affinity, when in reality this is not the case, thus I was trying to educate you and to fix your misconception

        The Astral body/soul are not related to the physical attributes of the human vessel.
        Hylics usually have a very high IQ because their affinity is focused on the physical realm and this enables them to develop efficient neural pathways which enable easier pattern recognition
        Whereas the truly gifted people with special powers usually struggle in this life and their physical and mental capabilities are heavily impaired by their spiritual connection.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >You obviously tried to make the correlation that geniuses and people with high IQ are the ones with special powers.
          >You wrongly think that the processing power of the frontal cortex is the thing which defines your astral affinity
          No, it was a comparison. My point was, if someone simply being highly intelligent ends up living an exception life, then someone that can literally defy known natural laws should also be living an exception life, since that is way more advantageous than being highly intelligent.

          I was in no way saying that your IQ determines your potential for magic, and I think you know that and you are just being disingenuous. Nothing I've said even comes close to that.

          The point was really simple.

          If someone with a 170 IQ can breeze through during their academic years and then get a cushy high paying career, then someone who can read minds, or see the future, or literally astral project (not lucid dream), etc should definitely be able to cheat the economic system in some way to have equivalent or superior results in life.

          Such amazing abilities have million times more potential than having a 170 IQ, so if you don't have the success, then you likely don't have the ability either, and it's all in your head (delusional).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't follow that if a person has abilities then they will or even want to lead the life you think they should.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It doesn't follow that if a person has abilities then they will or even want to lead the life you think they should.
            It does follow based on probability, because they are already living leading that life by taking part in the economic system.

            1. They work for money.

            2. If they got a promotion at their job they'd likely take it rather than reject it and stay and their current income level.

            3. If they won the lottery they'd likely quit their job and start a business, or just live off of the money.

            The average person that gets a promotion at work will take it (there's no reason to reject it).

            The average person that wins the lottery is going to stop being a wage slave (there's no reason to keep working)

            So why would anyone believe that the average person wouldn't use their magic abilities to "guarantee a lottery win" (and no I don't mean a literal lottery win, that's why it's in quotes, I mean using the ability to cheat the economic system).

            Based gifted Chad

            I myself am 129 last I checked years ago but we still dunk on op haha

            Imagine still being tunnel visioned about materialistic existence in 2024

            >I myself am 129
            Sure buddy. The funny thing is, your answer to my next question will either prove me right, or prove that you are under-performing for your IQ level lol.

            What do you do for a living?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the average person wouldn't use their magic abilities
            I'll start by daring to say that a person with magic abilities is not average. I will say also that I do not claim to have such abilities, nor am I aiming to develop them.

            I value work very highly. I enjoy it, and I like to do quality work. That is why I don't work a 9 to 5 anymore. That was never anything other than toil, so I finagled my way into living with passive income, freeing up my work hours for my own pursuits. It was not necessary for me to use magic to get into this position.

            I've made a few posts ITT, and you haven't attempted to address any of my statements.

            This seems like a strange projection to me. Not everyone who is interested in occultism is interested in worldly power. Many, such as myself, are interested in asceticism and renunciation more than anything else.

            If I take issue with a way of thinking that is very different from my own, it's not for being materialistic. Granted, I have my own materialistic aims. I have simply endeavored to strip them down and refine them. I don't scorn anyone for pursuing wealth or even opulence. I only take issue with such pursuits when they are abusive to others, especially children, or directly facilitate abuse.

            No, that isn't what I mean by projection, not exactly. You've projected beliefs that you hold about people in general onto me specifically, and you've done so in a way that is either inapplicable or irrelevant. You made a strawman argument, which is why I didn't give a detailed reply. There wasn't anything to respond to.

            >I don't need to persuade anyone
            The multiple pages of text you've written ITT indicate otherwise to me.

            >thousands of posts and threads that are going to be made about "hylics" and "materialists" not "knowing the truth" or "being sheep".
            >Are those posters trying to endlessly convince others, or are they just merely stating their beliefs?

            If somebody is going on and on about it, it looks like coping to me. They're trying to convince themselves of something. I'll use a framework here that I generally find useful: Dąbrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration.

            I think that when a person becomes preoccupied with what they perceive as the inadequacy of the masses, they are experiencing the second stage, unilevel disintegration, but in refining their worldview, they oscillate between the second and third stages as they individuate and develop their own system of values. That is how it happened with me.

            I'll leave you with a poem by Edwin Markham: Earth Is Enough

            >We men of Earth have here the stuff
            >Of Paradise - we have enough!
            >We need no other stones to build
            >The Temple of the Unfulfilled -
            >No other ivory for the doors -
            >No other marble for the floors -
            >No other cedar for the beam
            >And dome of man's immortal dream.

            >Here on the paths of every-day -
            >Here on the common human way
            >Is all the stuff the gods would take
            >To build a Heaven, to mold and make
            >New Edens. Ours is the stuff sublime
            >To build Eternity in time!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I'll start by daring to say that a person with magic abilities is not average.
            I'm talking about average in mindset (since they are already taking part in the economic system), not average in ability. When they attain the abilities a switch isn't going to go off in their brains and make them lose all of the desires they had the entire time.

            >I will say also that I do not claim to have such abilities, nor am I aiming to develop them.
            Then we have no argument, and this thread isn't about people like you.

            >It was not necessary for me to use magic to get into this position.
            Yes, and some people win the lottery. But someone who doesn't have your innate talent or luck, if they woke up tomorrow with a magic ability, they'd definitely use it to get to where you are in life, and that's my entire point.

            >I've made a few posts ITT, and you haven't attempted to address any of my statements

            No, that isn't what I mean by projection, not exactly. You've projected beliefs that you hold about people in general onto me specifically, and you've done so in a way that is either inapplicable or irrelevant. You made a strawman argument, which is why I didn't give a detailed reply. There wasn't anything to respond to.

            >I don't need to persuade anyone
            The multiple pages of text you've written ITT indicate otherwise to me.

            > You've projected beliefs that you hold about people in general
            The correct term to use wouldn't be "projection", it would make more sense to say I'm making assumptions about people. Projection implies that it's something about myself that I'm ascribing to others.

            >thousands of posts and threads that are going to be made about "hylics" and "materialists" not "knowing the truth" or "being sheep".
            >Are those posters trying to endlessly convince others, or are they just merely stating their beliefs?

            If somebody is going on and on about it, it looks like coping to me. They're trying to convince themselves of something. I'll use a framework here that I generally find useful: Dąbrowski's Theory of Positive Disintegration.

            I think that when a person becomes preoccupied with what they perceive as the inadequacy of the masses, they are experiencing the second stage, unilevel disintegration, but in refining their worldview, they oscillate between the second and third stages as they individuate and develop their own system of values. That is how it happened with me.

            As for this one, I don't know what you expect me to say, I'm not seeing anything to argue against. I'm just seeing something about some framework I've never heard of before, but the post itself has nothing to do with me or the point of this thread.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I make $20 an hour with $10 an hour bonus for Sundays 🙂 all I do is organize a store lol, I actually manifested this job after my last position fricked me over, so now I work here after moving in with long time girlfriend, life's great

            I'm a comp sci major by the way, only did it so I can code vidya for myself

            Knowing you, you're already dismissing my answer since I'm not on the board at Google lol (I irobically interned with them for a teeny bit in october 2021)

            Whether or not I work.at a place doesn't matter, what matters is that I have long broke free from the imprisoning mindset of taking this world seriously

            As a sensitive person, shrooms, meditation, and learning about buddhism helped me out

            What you define as "me" is also part of the simulation/samsara as well, what I am (as well as yiu and everyone else) is just pure consciousness tuning into a story projected by the world, what we see is a condensed version of reality, we're never getting the full picture if you take reality as what's directly I front of you

            For example, We can even be looking at the same color but be seeing it slightly (or significantly) different. If my red is different than your red, and that's different from Anon #3's red... what is OBJECTIVELY red?

            This hit me on a shroom trip I had in Janjary where I felt myself "zoom out" of my life and I was just a ball of consciousness playing my life like a vr game with my "parent" consciousness plating it with me
            There's more but I won't get off topic, the point is, I know definitvely for MYSELF that this world is not as real it is, and should not be treated as such. There's definitely things to care about here (I doubt I spawned here for no reason), I love my family, friends, and gf.

            But my life has improved Tremendously when I stopped taking life so seriously and when I saw with my own eyes that I am more than what I think
            Also time isn't real, free will (as we think of it) isn't real, only the present moment exists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I understand your point, but I still think that your perspective is very limited.
            You assume that the illuminated people would have the same idea of success as that of the hylic masses.
            To have an exceptionally lavish and vain life as a magus is an easy task, the question is if he is willing to crush his own soul and to become subservient to the beast system?

            Also the way you described the so called magical acts was very funny, I will give you that.
            You can't cheat on test by Astral projecting, you can cheat by manifestation and the law of attraction, assuming that you are able to manipulate the flow of the vibrations at all and if you are consistent

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You assume that the illuminated people would have the same idea of success as that of the hylic masses.
            No, it has nothing to do with an "idea", it has to do with physical and biological reality.

            Do you want to shit in a toilet with toilet paper or do you want to shit in the wilderness and wipe your ass with leaves?

            Do you want to go to the grocery for food, or to you want to hunt animals for meat and gather random fruits and vegetables?

            Do you think your answer applies to most people, and most people would agree with with that answer?

            As wage slaves we use up atleast 8 hours of our already limited lifespan everyday just to make someone else wealthy. Those are hours that could go into more occult reading and practice. So it makes no logical sense to keep your abilities on reserve, and to never use them to any financial benefit, when using them would afford you more time to dedicate towards your occult practice.

            If someone is truly invested in their occult practice they would want to dedicate as much time and resources to it as possible, and the only way to do that is to buy your freedom out of the wage slave system by attain wealth.

            You can apply this to anything.

            If someone is passionate about art, they'd want to dedicate as much time as possible to their art. If they could sell an art piece to make millions, they definitely would do that because it would afford them more time to pursue their passion. Plus, art that never gets seen by anyone is useless because there are no eyes to appreciate it's beauty, just like magic that is never used to enact change on the world is useless since there is nothing in the world that is exposed to it's wonder.

            >To have an exceptionally lavish and vain life
            1. Never said anything about wasting money on lavish things.

            2. "Lavishness" is relative. Think more abstractly. Both you and I live in better circumstances than a king of the far past. We get to shower daily, eat meat, have the best of entertainment, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you want to shit in a toilet with toilet paper or do you want to shit in the wilderness and wipe your ass with leaves?
            >Do you want to go to the grocery for food, or to you want to hunt animals for meat and gather random fruits and vegetables?
            Becoming a hermit or a monk is literally the most preferred way of life for the average magus.

            >1. Never said anything about wasting money on lavish things
            The only reason the Magus would choose to remain in the society and to play the rat game is if he has aspirations to become the king, the elite of the masses.
            A person with immense influence over others.
            For that he will need to showcase his dominance by expressing some degree of lavishness.

            I agree with you that the magus will cheat and abuse his spiritual authority, but only if he has a domineering aspirations
            It depends on his mission in this life, since these individuals are driven by a deep purpose

            >You can't cheat on test by Astral projecting, you can cheat by manifestation and the law of attraction
            1. If you are proficient enough (can do it at will) you definitely can cheat on a test with astral projection.

            2. LoA and manifestation, I don't believe anybody who claims they can do it. They never talk about how they screen for cognitive biases or random chance (luck), and they only ever speak about using it for mundane things that are just as likely to happen based on random chance (like getting a job, or getting a romantic partner).

            Never seen someone talk about using LoA to win the lottery and succeeding, it's never used for anything amazing that you would know 100% without a doubt wasn't random chance. It's never used for anything that is undeniably the result of magic.

            Sorry, I don't buy it.

            >luck
            everything in the physical is preordained to happen in a certain way because the chain of karmic events follow a certain domino effect.
            A skilled magus will have the intuition to ride the wave which will carry him to success.
            Without an intuition about what is right or wrong, you will always be blind.
            It's only considered luck if you lack awareness

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Becoming a hermit or a monk is literally the most preferred way of life for the average magus.
            No it isn't, you are really just making shit up and I don't buy it because I know you aren't giving up the internet and everything else to go do that lol. All talk but no action, which means you are lying. In the old days the local shaman was well respected, had a bigger hut than the average person, got offerings and donations, and lived better than the average person around him.

            People with special abilities were always exalted and lived more convenient lives than those around them, either because the people around them propped them up and valued them, or because they used their abilities to their advantage.

            >The only reason the Magus would choose to remain in the society and to play the rat game is if he has aspirations to become the king
            1. No, they'd remain to have a more convenient life, just like wiping your ass with toilet paper is more convenient than mistakenly wiping your ass with poison ivy in some forest.

            2. When you become wealthy you are no longer playing the game, you are on the sidelines watching the game now. You go from participant to spectator.

            >I agree with you that the magus will cheat and abuse his spiritual authority, but only if he has a domineering aspirations
            No, it can literally just be for something as simple as living an easier life and having more time to focus on your occult studies and practice.

            This is not rocket science, no deeper aspirations for domination of any kind required.

            It could literally be because they want more free time to play video games lol. You are really going out of your way to make this more complicated than it is.

            >everything in the physical is preordained to happen
            >A skilled magus will have the intuition to ride the wave which will carry him to success.
            Pick One

            You seem to be confused about what "preordained" means.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In the old days the local shaman was well respected, had a bigger hut than the average person, got offerings and donations, and lived better than the average person around him.
            You are describing the magus archetype which aspires for dominance which I talked about already, so I don't see how I'm lying.
            It your own problem that you refuse to believe that there are exceptions.

            >No, they'd remain to have a more convenient life, just like wiping your ass with toilet paper
            Being a consumer cattle doesn't necessarily mean that life is more convenient, it only means that you enjoy being a slave without a will or sentience which is unable to make its own decisions and to create its own system of governance

            >muh occult studies and practice.
            A magus who has the ability to chest his way through life would be beyond the need for studies and practices.
            Only hylics need to be hand-held that much by books.
            As I mentioned, a magus has an intuition.

            >Pick One
            Why would I pick one?
            The Magus is an Astral entity more than a physical one.
            The physical world is already set in motion, it's up to the observer to catch the clues of the karmic strings.
            The observer obviously being a third party, not your 5 senses or your neuron pathways which are subservient to the physical matrix.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >there are exceptions.
            Yes, exceptions, how come the large majority of people that claim to have abilities are the exception, do you not know the meaning of the word "exception"? lol.

            All of these people with amazing magical abilities just happen to be broke wage slaves?

            >it only means that you enjoy being a slave
            Slaves have to work, if you just own properties to rent out, and spend all of your time on your passions, traveling, etc, you are definitely not a slave. You are just making up your own definitions.

            Ironically the person who goes and lives like a hermit would have living conditions that are closer to slave living conditions lol.

            >A magus who has the ability to chest his way through life would be beyond the need for studies and practices.
            Lol, at this point you've just invalidated everything you've said at this point. Being able to cheat the economic system would never mean that you've reached the end of occult knowledge. This just sounds like you have low standards.

            There's nothing else to be said at this point.

            You just ironically admitted that if you were financially well enough you wouldn't even be interested in the occult lol.

            >Alchemists in the past were literally trying to turn lead into gold (it wasn't just figurative).

            except it was just figurative.

            >The Magnum Opus of alchemy was creating the philosophers stone so that one could attain immortality.

            which is also figurative.

            >Both are very materialistic goals

            wrong.

            > People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives. I'm sure there are a few People with a 140+ IQ that bag groceries for a living, but that's a huge exception. Geniuses (people with special abilities) tend to prosper in life.

            also wrong. the smarter you are, the more depressed you will be and be a reclusive/occultist.

            > it's likely why most people get into the occult, the allure of power

            no, you are conflating real occultism with what the edgy type occultists portray. occultism is actually saintliness, has to do with rebuilding the inner temple and putting an end to suffering (reaching immortality, means reaching union with God and ultimate dissolution).

            cant address the hylic/materialist things you are spouting, i dont know those concepts, but you seem to only have superficial knowledge about occultism. must be an edgy little kid, a satanist probably who thinks satanism is occultism.
            lul.

            for everyone else ignorant about this topic:
            occult means hidden.
            hidden in the same manner as was employed, for example, by the beloved Jesus, when he said that all things are in parables or allegories.
            that is occultism.
            being figurative, allegoric, using metaphors and parables, not disclosing the higher truths to swines.
            that is occultism.
            its not occultism when a self professed "witch" smears her period blood on a dead cat during a full moon or whatever.
            that is just moronation.
            it is equally moronic to buy into the satanic ideology of self-centeredness.
            satanism itself is as idiotic as is mainstream christendom. satanism and atheism are both denominations of christendom and because they are all exoteric, they are all trash.

            >except it was just figurative.
            Tell that to John Dee, who was literally tasked by someone to turn lead into gold, and was a genius scientist and occultist who was even valued by the Queen of England as her advisor.

            But nah, I'll take the word of a random EerieWeb poster over the documented actions of a known genius occultist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You just ironically admitted that if you were financially well enough you wouldn't even be interested in the occult lol
            That's an interesting way of interpreting what I said.
            What I really meant is the if you have the ability to cheat the system, then your so called powers have already matured enough.
            You don't need to be an eternal student who constantly needs to be told what to do by books or occultic pricks.
            Again, you try to apply hylic standards to the enlightened individuals who have a working intuition.
            You are too much of an NPC and this is why racism against hylics exists. Your kind is already programmed to apply certain behavioral patterns which are contrary to the development and the growth of the spiritual self.

            Before I go I will let you one last wisdom.
            It's more hygienic to wash your ass instead of using toilet paper

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See here:

            >There is no IQ census.
            There's data and studies about the relationship between IQ and career paths already. If you want to refuse to google the research yourself just because you want to feel right, then that's your character flaw.

            This is just one example I quickly found with a single google search:
            Can't post the PDF link, just search in quotes "IQs of Academics in Different Disciplines" to find it.
            >We are aware of only two studies that specifically look at interdisciplinary differ-
            ences in IQ among practicing academics, those of Roe (1953) and Gibson and
            Light (1967). Table 1 lists the relevant findings of these studies.

            >then your so called powers have already matured enough.
            No, there is always more.

            >It's more hygienic to wash your ass instead of using toilet paper
            Obviously, but if you shower everyday what does that matter. Nobody is going to be fricking me in the ass for it to require being super clean all the time lol.

            It's funny how you say this and also say that being a hermit is the best path for an occultist lol. A hermits entire body is un-hygenic, not just their ass.

            I think I'll end the conversation here too, I've said enough in this thread.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OP here, just responding to your post. Actually the majority of geniuses use toilet paper too so you are wrong. Geniuses invented toilet paper in the middle ages so people could be more hygienic. Ironically you just invalidated all your arguments with this little joke.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This moron here

            OP here, just responding to your post. Actually the majority of geniuses use toilet paper too so you are wrong. Geniuses invented toilet paper in the middle ages so people could be more hygienic. Ironically you just invalidated all your arguments with this little joke.

            is not me, I am no longer posting in this thread, don't believe any larpers, this is my last post.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're the moron impersonating me. I'll continue posting in this thread all day. You are trying to muddy the waters with claiming to be me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            John Dee and Kelley were extremely suspicious individuals to say the least
            I mean even in their supposed angel dialogues they harangued the angel for buried treasure
            Truly men of the 16th century

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't cheat on test by Astral projecting, you can cheat by manifestation and the law of attraction
            1. If you are proficient enough (can do it at will) you definitely can cheat on a test with astral projection.

            2. LoA and manifestation, I don't believe anybody who claims they can do it. They never talk about how they screen for cognitive biases or random chance (luck), and they only ever speak about using it for mundane things that are just as likely to happen based on random chance (like getting a job, or getting a romantic partner).

            Never seen someone talk about using LoA to win the lottery and succeeding, it's never used for anything amazing that you would know 100% without a doubt wasn't random chance. It's never used for anything that is undeniably the result of magic.

            Sorry, I don't buy it.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hylic mad he got dunked on huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Getting another man's load is very homosexual. What kind of New York man came up with this phrase?

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let's be honest, OP will make a great salesman or something in a similar field, the stubborn mindset, the subtle shifting of the goal posts in the same sentence, the forcing of their own singular viewpoint on what one should/would do, the bravado of their own shaky beliefs:
    Anyone weaker would have been partially swayed by op and his hylic spam

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also.i just experienced a synchronicity after typing this
      >tfw was thinking about human nature by Michael Jackson as I left the shower
      >now they're playing a song that samples it on the radio station

      Feels.good having magic shit happen to me, unlike OP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the subtle shifting of the goal posts
      Please give me an example of me moving the goal post.

      https://i.imgur.com/t7Y3R1G.jpg

      Also.i just experienced a synchronicity after typing this
      >tfw was thinking about human nature by Michael Jackson as I left the shower
      >now they're playing a song that samples it on the radio station

      Feels.good having magic shit happen to me, unlike OP

      You are a genius, definitely magical lol.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Alchemists in the past were literally trying to turn lead into gold (it wasn't just figurative).

    except it was just figurative.

    >The Magnum Opus of alchemy was creating the philosophers stone so that one could attain immortality.

    which is also figurative.

    >Both are very materialistic goals

    wrong.

    > People with genius IQ's (140+) tend to live exceptional lives. I'm sure there are a few People with a 140+ IQ that bag groceries for a living, but that's a huge exception. Geniuses (people with special abilities) tend to prosper in life.

    also wrong. the smarter you are, the more depressed you will be and be a reclusive/occultist.

    > it's likely why most people get into the occult, the allure of power

    no, you are conflating real occultism with what the edgy type occultists portray. occultism is actually saintliness, has to do with rebuilding the inner temple and putting an end to suffering (reaching immortality, means reaching union with God and ultimate dissolution).

    cant address the hylic/materialist things you are spouting, i dont know those concepts, but you seem to only have superficial knowledge about occultism. must be an edgy little kid, a satanist probably who thinks satanism is occultism.
    lul.

    for everyone else ignorant about this topic:
    occult means hidden.
    hidden in the same manner as was employed, for example, by the beloved Jesus, when he said that all things are in parables or allegories.
    that is occultism.
    being figurative, allegoric, using metaphors and parables, not disclosing the higher truths to swines.
    that is occultism.
    its not occultism when a self professed "witch" smears her period blood on a dead cat during a full moon or whatever.
    that is just moronation.
    it is equally moronic to buy into the satanic ideology of self-centeredness.
    satanism itself is as idiotic as is mainstream christendom. satanism and atheism are both denominations of christendom and because they are all exoteric, they are all trash.

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