Humans cause suffering, not God

Can we stop pretending like God is the problem?

It's humans.
Always has been, always will be.

And if atheism is hypothetically true then it proves my point even more.

I don't blame Hod flooding us, because: who would like a species of buttholes anyway?

I don't know if I'm bring deluded by Satan or some shit into the path of cynicism hut I legitimately don't see how we humans bring our own suffering

Think about it literally: free will is quantum, so many different scenarios ate possible, hence why even supposedly good people snap

Humans fuking suck

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cope op, hodw do you explain screaming hare as it is devoured by fox. This universe is cooked

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Physical pain response =/= suffering, bud

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats literally epitome of suffering

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain murder then

      Explain the pedo elite

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Humans cause suffering, not God
    so humans cause natural disasters?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If God didn't want is to leave suffer than he wouldn't have given us free will.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's humans.
    >Always has been, always will be.
    >Humans fuking suck
    Yes yes and yes
    But existance of suffering in the world is an argument against all powerfull belovent god
    Either he's not all powerfull because he couldnt create a world with free will but without suffering or he's not belovent and created the world with suffering while he could create it wothout it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But existance of suffering in the world is an argument against all powerfull belovent god
      >Either he's not all powerfull because he couldnt create a world with free will but without suffering or he's not belovent and created the world with suffering while he could create it wothout it
      Or, hear me out. He is benevolent and created a world with suffering because the possibility/existence of evil enhances the value of good.

      If you were making a video game, would you make it difficult and complex to win or make the entire game just a simple button you press once that says "you win." A world without suffering would have been lazy craftsmanship on the part of God. The creation of evil does not imply malice. Sure, God COULD have made a world without evil, but it would not have been as good as one with.
      >but anon, He's God. He can do anything
      Yes, I' aware. He could using his omnipotence make a world that's even better than this one and still yet has no evil.
      But by the same token, He could make a world with evil that's just as good as one without.
      As I see it, it's like Infinity + 0 vs Infinity + 1. One must imagine that one greater than the greatest number would be the greater value.

      What good is light if it is equally distributed and the same everywhere? Can't see shit if it all looks the same. Without contrast, light is only marginally better than darkness. What good is pleasure if there is no suffering? That kind of pleasure might as well BE suffering. And you can see it happen all the time in modern society when people consume all the luxurious tasty foods and instead of being euphoric, end up feeling mediocre about it.

      This world has plenty of suffering and evil to provide. It's up to you to have fun with it and know how to harvest your own shadow's loosh, or else the evil will have a field day with you.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >evil enhances the value of good.
        How?, don't just say something as if it's true because you said it, elaborate.

        It's like saying if someone puts a side of shit on your plate of steak and fries it "enhances" the value of the food.

        You need to validate why that's true.

        >If you were making a video game, would you make it difficult and complex to win or make the entire game just a simple button you press once that says "you win."
        All you've actually done is add to the argument that all of this suffering is for God's entertainment, which just means he could have created a world without suffering, but that would be boring so he decided to do otherwise.

        "I'm bored so I want some people to get tortured for eternity" doesn't sound like a loving/good God to me (or anyone).

        >Yes, I' aware. He could using his omnipotence make a world that's even better than this one and still yet has no evil.
        >But by the same token, He could make a world with evil that's just as good as one without.
        You are just spewing word salad, because notice you use the word "better" for the first statement (as in better for us, the humans) and then you switch to "good" in the second statement which is just up to Gods personal opinion, because a universe that is more entertaining for him would be "good".

        >This world has plenty of suffering and evil to provide. It's up to you to have fun with it
        The pointless illogical ramblings of a privileged c**t. You are likely living in a first world country and was born into a good family. All circumstances that give you an easy life and a lot of easy opportunities. There is no "have fun with it" for a poor child sold by their drug addicted parents who then gets sex trafficked for years and then kills themselves one day.

        Cut the bullshit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How?, don't just say something as if it's true because you said it, elaborate.
          If I have to elaborate how evil enhances the value of good, then you have to elaborate how evil somehow takes away from the good in this world.
          Besides, I thought I made it pretty clear why evil/suffering enhances good. Evil provides contrast, and without the suffering, then there might as well BE no good at all because it would be like pushing an "I win" button. There's no substance to a task without it being at least a little difficult. And if you go too long without difficulty, you just get soft and the easy things become evil.
          >It's like saying if someone puts a side of shit on your plate of steak and fries it "enhances" the value of the food
          Not exactly what I was going for. But that would enhance the value of getting another plate of steak and fries.
          >All you've actually done is add to the argument that all of this suffering is for God's entertainment,
          Not true. It is for our entertainment too. Hard to play video games are the most fun when you get into them.
          >notice you use the word "better" for the first statement (as in better for us, the humans) and then you switch to "good" in the second statement which is just up to Gods personal opinion, because a universe that is more entertaining for him would be "good".
          Semantics. I meant good for humans, obviously. You're putting words in my mouth. The question remains. Why can't God make a universe with evil that is also better(for humans) than one without?
          >You are likely living in a first world country and was born into a good family. All circumstances that give you an easy life and a lot of easy opportunities. There is no "have fun with it" for a poor child sold by their drug addicted parents who then gets sex trafficked for years and then kills themselves one day.
          You're projecting. Were you sex trafficked by addict parents, anon? no? so how come you speak like you are? Those who carry such weights are not made weak.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why can't God make a universe with evil that is also better(for humans) than one without?

            >That's not a good enough refutation. We can have a loving, all powerful all knowing God and still exist with evil.
            No, we can have:
            1. All Powerful + Loving/Good God and still exist with evil (because that God isn't All Knowing - can't stop evil you don't know about)

            2. All Powerful + All Knowing God and still exist with evil (because that God isn't Loving/Good - doesn't give a frick about evil causing suffering because they aren't loving/good)

            3. All Knowing + Loving/Good God and still exit with evil (because that God isn't All Powerful - can't stop evil that is beyond the limits of your power).

            But the moment you say that God has all three, there is a huge paradox.

            >if He wants to make a universe where there is evil and also still have that universe be better than one without evil, then who are you to say He can't?
            You are playing pointless word games by being subjective:
            1. What do you mean by "better"?
            2. "Better" for whom?

            >What do you mean by "better"?

            You are still being subjective and vague.

            It's like saying - Why can't God make a universe WHERE HUMANS GET TORTURED FOR ETERNITY that is also better (for humans)?

            What do you mean by "better"?

            Be specific on how evil existing can be "better" FOR HUMANS?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Omfg. BETTER FOR US ALL!!! I mean better for both Humans and God and animals maybe and spirits or elfs even.

            >It's like saying - Why can't God make a universe WHERE HUMANS GET TORTURED FOR ETERNITY that is also better (for humans)?
            >BE spec
            >Be specific on how evil existing can be "better" FOR HUMANS
            Don't need to. God is "all powerful" right? So he can.
            If you want me to go down this line and explain(which I already have with the "easy button" video game), then you first need to explain to me specifically how God can make a universe that both has free will(can choose to do evil) and has no evil without dismissing it as "oh, He's all powerful so he can"

            >what do you mean better.
            I don't know. What do YOU mean better? Saying "no evil" is just vague as saying "good." I guess we can start with more justified feelings of joy idk.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Don't need to
            Yes you do need to or else you are being dishonest.

            You are going out of your way to not define "evil" because you know your argument is bullshit.

            I'll repeat again by quoting myself, because you aren't worth the effort at this point:

            >Why can't God just make a universe with evil that is better FOR US ALL
            What do you mean by "evil?"

            How is something "evil" outside of it making things "worse" for the individual experiencing it?

            It's like you are asking why can't God create a universe with "shit that makes things WORSE" that is BETTER for us all?

            I don't know how you and the other guy ( [...] ) aren't seeing the contradiction, and that's likely because you are being vague and not thinking specifically about what "better" or "evil" means TO HUMANS.

            Things are literally called "evil" because they make life worse NOT better. So you are asking for a "worse better" (a worse version of the better version) if you ask for a universe with evil that is also better lol.

            It doesn't make sense.

            >Things are literally called "evil" because they make life worse NOT better.

            Evil is BY DEFINITION the things that make existence/life WORSE for the individual experiencing it, that's why it's called "evil".

            WORSE is the opposite of BETTER.

            You are being dishonest and playing word games, and avoiding being specific because what you are asking for logically makes no sense.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Besides the "all powerful" God being able to do annything thing, to respond more directly to the issue you're bringing up "that better is the opposite of worse," You can have better(more good) and worse(more evil) things in the same world. Or else, how could there be any good in this universe we share right now, you goof?
            God could just make a universe with a very very large net positive that outweighs the negatives and surpasses a universe without any evil.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >God could just make a universe with a very very large net positive that outweighs the negatives and surpasses a universe without any evil.
            Ok, and he could more simply just create a universe without evil. You are really just gaslighting and playing pointless word games.

            It's like saying your doctor could remove 99% of the cancer cells in your body but leave 1% "just because".

            At this point it's just a troll conversation and I can't take it seriously.

            >God is omnipotent, yet still engineered existence in this way?
            Because it maximizes bliss. You should be thanking Him.

            >Because it maximizes bliss.
            That's your opinion, you have no proof of that. You believe it maximizes your bliss because you were lucky enough to not be the last victim of a serial rapist or serial killer, or you were lucky enough not to get caught up in some random mass shooting one day. It's nothing but ramblings from a position of priviledge and conveniecne.

            "Evil doesn't affect me much so I see it as making life more interesting and enjoyable"

            Yes, you are a narcissist, we can all see that, you being a narcissist and not giving a frick about everybody else who suffers is not an argument lol.

            >Stop pretending like God is the problem.
            I mean, God is though. God is omnipotent, yet still engineered existence in this way?
            If you believe so highly of the Almighty, may you account for the suffering at the hands of existence itself we must endure? Were it not for creation, the knowledge of suffering we would, have not.

            Waste of time continuing this conversation, it leads nowhere. He'll just move the goal post too - "God can create a universe with 99% good and 1% evil too, so why not that". Don't waste your time.

            He's not having an argument in good faith, it's semantic BS of "I don't need to explain or no, I invoke God like a pokemon".

            This was a bait troll post from the start

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You are really just gaslighting and playing pointless word games.
            Honestly, I feel the exact same way about you. You've purposefully(seemingly) misinterpreted me like twice here.
            >It's like saying your doctor could remove 99% of the cancer cells in your body but leave 1% "just because".
            Well, no. Not exactly. If hard, evil, or otherwise difficult things are what make life fun and fulfilling, then it makes sense that a universe that includes some evil would be how God would make a universe.
            And, actually, there are supposed to be some "mutated" or "cancerous" cells in your body in order to differentiate you from your parents, so your analogy isn't perfect, but I get the concept. We have it in our heads that any evil and hardship at all is bad and should be eliminated for a purely good experience, when, in fact, at least a little bit of getting sick or pushed around is good for growth.

            further, This matters because if some evil is good, then the presence of evil does not indicate that God is not all three omnipotent, omnicient, and loving. He could be all three, and this is the ideal universe, and we're just going through the hard parts that make way for the real shit.

            >at this point it's just a troll conversation and I can't take it seriously
            Ah, yes. Just because I have a different idea of what an ideal universe is than "no evil" this is a troll conversation. Get your head out of your ass.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's nothing but ramblings from a position of priviledge and conveniecne.
            nta, have you considered that maybe having a good position in life enhances one's credibility on the matter because they would be able to see clearly what it's like to have it all and still find themselves unhappy.
            Wouldn't those people who are too overwhelmed by their suffering to see the value in it be considered the less valuable position to consider? much like someone who has lived without much money, and wins the lottery and just flexes with expensive cars and blows like a billion dollars in a month or overdoses on the most expensive drugs, thinking that less suffering = more happiness because it is all they've ever known?

            also,
            >Waste of time continuing this conversation, it leads nowhere. He'll just move the goal post too - "God can create a universe with 99% good and 1% evil too, so why not that". Don't waste your time.
            >
            >He's not having an argument in good faith, it's semantic BS of "I don't need to explain or no, I invoke God like a pokemon".
            >
            >This was a bait troll post from the start
            No, I was just sick of people saying that God can do anything if He's omnipotent so free will isn't an excuse anymore because God could just make a universe where free will and no evil are possible at the same time. see

            https://i.imgur.com/lDF78kL.jpeg

            >Can we stop pretending like God is the problem?
            Humans saying that humans cause suffering, not God, is like an NPC in a Grand Theft Auto game saying npcs cause suffering, not the Rockstar Games company.

            Suffering can't exist unless God first creates a universe in which it is possible.

            But God didn't just create a universe where suffering is possible, he created one in which it's the most likely outcome, and man had to civilize the world, build, invent, create, etc in order to create the peaceful world we know today that defies the natural order of the universe.

            All the nonsense you're saying has already been refuted by a long dead Greek philosopher (Epicurus) - pic related.

            Now that depends. If you tell me that God is not loving/good I won't argue, if you tell me that God is not all knowing I won't argue, if you tell me that God is not all powerful I won't argue, but if you tell me that the God you believe in has all three traits:
            1. Loving/Good
            2. All Knowing
            3. All Powerful

            I'm going to call bullshit, because we shouldn't be living in a fricked up universe as we do now if such a God exists.

            He has to be missing one or many of the traits, he can't have all three.

            image. If God can just do anything, and you don't have to explain, then I don't have to explain either.

            And besides that, I'm not moving the goal post. If God made a universe with 1% evil to bring meaning to the good and 99% Good, then we could just be experiencing the 1% evil and God is still all powerful, all knowing, and benevolent and Epicurus and you were wrong(or at least possibly wrong) on the matter.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's your opinion, you have no proof of that. You believe it maximizes your bliss because you were lucky enough to not be the last victim of a serial rapist or serial killer, or you were lucky enough not to get caught up in some random mass shooting one day. It's nothing but ramblings from a position of priviledge and conveniecne.
            Sounds like projection on your part. You have no clue how meaning is made. It's a finite process but not always an easy one.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If I have to elaborate how evil enhances the value of good, then you have to elaborate how evil somehow takes away from the good in this world.
            No, that's not how the onus works. The person who makes the claim has the onus on them to prove it. I never made the claim that evil takes away from God, my argument is that we don't want it period and it isn't required, especially by a Good + All Poewrful God that can create a universe without evil.

            To use the steak and fries with a side of shit example again (lol).

            It's as if I'm at your restaurant, I see on your menu that the steak and fries comes with shit and I ask for it without shit, and you tell me that the shit enhances the steak and fries.

            I just don't want the steak and fries with shit, I never said anything about the shit taking away from the steak and fries, that's your strawman that you are arguing against, I just don't want shit with my steak and fries.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .

            >No, that's not how the onus works. The person who makes the claim has the onus on them to prove it.
            Well, I was disproving to your claim, so I'm pretty sure you're supposed to prove yours first. FIFO
            > never made the claim that evil takes away from God, my argument is that we don't want it period and it isn't required, especially by a Good + All Poewrful God that can create a universe without evil.
            >my argument is that we don't want it period.
            my argument is that we do want it. So it's,on you to explain yourself, since you're the one who made the claim in the first place.

            >just don't want the steak and fries with shit, I never said anything about the shit taking away from the steak and fries, that's your strawman that you are arguing against, I just don't want shit with my steak and fries.
            You sound like a kid who doesn't want to eat his broccoli. Eating the steak and fries with shit definitely would enhance every other experience you have eating steak and fries. Ask Gourdan Ramsey.

            >Why can't God just make a universe with evil that is better FOR US ALL
            What do you mean by "evil?"

            How is something "evil" outside of it making things "worse" for the individual experiencing it?

            It's like you are asking why can't God create a universe with "shit that makes things WORSE" that is BETTER for us all?

            I don't know how you and the other guy ( [...] ) aren't seeing the contradiction, and that's likely because you are being vague and not thinking specifically about what "better" or "evil" means TO HUMANS.

            Things are literally called "evil" because they make life worse NOT better. So you are asking for a "worse better" (a worse version of the better version) if you ask for a universe with evil that is also better lol.

            It doesn't make sense.

            >it doesn't make sense
            I know. But God is all powerful, right? so it doesn't matter. He can do it. Just like how he can make a universe with free will and no evil.

            On another note, yes. I do vaguely mean evil as "worse" for the individual experiencing it. But, as we all know, one can experience something "bad" (hard work, exercise, patience) for a payoff that benefits from the temporary feelings of suffering. Cooking for oneself and spending the time and effort is gratifying in many ways that being cooked for by a chef is just not. Hence, a universe with evil/frustration is better than one without.

            >Don't need to
            Yes you do need to or else you are being dishonest.

            You are going out of your way to not define "evil" because you know your argument is bullshit.

            I'll repeat again by quoting myself, because you aren't worth the effort at this point:
            [...]
            >Things are literally called "evil" because they make life worse NOT better.

            Evil is BY DEFINITION the things that make existence/life WORSE for the individual experiencing it, that's why it's called "evil".

            WORSE is the opposite of BETTER.

            You are being dishonest and playing word games, and avoiding being specific because what you are asking for logically makes no sense.

            >You are going out of your way to not define "evil" because you know your argument is bullshit.
            No, you don't understand. I don't need to since God is "all powerful." Whatever definition for evil you use, God can make a universe with it that is also better(for humans and however you want to define "better") than a universe without any evil.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because the possibility/existence of evil enhances the value of good.
        Dude, shut the frick up. You sound like a sim trying to explain why being walled into the pool was good for him.
        No matter how much you cope, our ideal God has not saved us. He has not erased evil. He has not directly intervened to stop innocents from being tortured or killed at any point throughout history.

        Rather he is a punisher; he sets targets up for the sole purpose of knocking them down, no matter the cost to those he claims to love. In fact he incentivizes their suffering.
        I don't know if that thing feels amusement or anything for that matter, but it would explain a lot, big G just has a fricked up sense of humor.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humans are merely puppets. All the big events and decisions are made above their heads.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what's above a human's head ?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ive stopped caring about my own opinion. These threads wont get you where you want to go because the truth is people will either get it on their own terms or not at all (coincidentally proving your point). But your engagement is not required and is a waste of your own time. Especially once you accept the fact, however trite it may sound, that god is good.
    T. Person a little further ahead

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can we stop pretending like God is the problem?
    Humans saying that humans cause suffering, not God, is like an NPC in a Grand Theft Auto game saying NPCs cause suffering, not the Rockstar Games company.

    Suffering can't exist unless God first creates a universe in which it is possible.

    But God didn't just create a universe where suffering is possible, he created one in which it's the most likely outcome, and man had to civilize the world, build, invent, create, etc in order to create the peaceful world we know today that defies the natural order of the universe.

    All the nonsense you're saying has already been refuted by a long dead Greek philosopher (Epicurus) - pic related.

    Now that depends. If you tell me that God is not loving/good I won't argue, if you tell me that God is not all knowing I won't argue, if you tell me that God is not all powerful I won't argue, but if you tell me that the God you believe in has all three traits:
    1. Loving/Good
    2. All Knowing
    3. All Powerful

    I'm going to call bullshit, because we shouldn't be living in a fricked up universe as we do now if such a God exists.

    He has to be missing one or many of the traits, he can't have all three.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a good enough refutation. We can have a loving, all powerful all knowing God and still exist with evil.

      To "why didn't he?" it's because a world with evil is better. What fun would GTA be if all the npcs just started out with all the money and drugs, and it was just endless drive around at mcdonalds and nobody did any crime.

      >But God can just make a world that has free will or has evil and still be only good because He's all powerful.
      If God is all powerful like that, then He can easily make a universe with evil that is better quality than one without too, just like how Epicurus is saying He could create a free universe without evil in the first place. If God is "all powerful" then it is silly He would willingly make Himself evil. He decides what He makes good and evil since He has the power to do so, and if He wants to make a universe where there is evil and also still have that universe be better than one without evil, then who are you to say He can't? That is just a matter of personal preference at that point rather than good and evil.

      That's the issue with "all powerful." It makes it too easy to argue for anything, and the conversation devolves into arguing about what God can and can't do. I have a different interpretation of the "all-powerful" problem. In my mind, a free and wholey good universe is like asking for a virgin that has had sex, or like asking God to make a stone he can't push. The requests just don't make any sense and are unfulfilled by definition. To be free means to be able to do evil. To ask God for a universe that's somehow both free and wholey good isn't really asking for anything at all. The request is nonsensical and paradoxial and not really asking for anything if you think about it, so it doesn't violate the whole God being able to do anything thing since you're not saying God can't do something. You're saying God can't do a non-thing/a null.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That's not a good enough refutation. We can have a loving, all powerful all knowing God and still exist with evil.
        No, we can have:
        1. All Powerful + Loving/Good God and still exist with evil (because that God isn't All Knowing - can't stop evil you don't know about)

        2. All Powerful + All Knowing God and still exist with evil (because that God isn't Loving/Good - doesn't give a frick about evil causing suffering because they aren't loving/good)

        3. All Knowing + Loving/Good God and still exit with evil (because that God isn't All Powerful - can't stop evil that is beyond the limits of your power).

        But the moment you say that God has all three, there is a huge paradox.

        >if He wants to make a universe where there is evil and also still have that universe be better than one without evil, then who are you to say He can't?
        You are playing pointless word games by being subjective:
        1. What do you mean by "better"?
        2. "Better" for whom?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Better for us all, dammit! humans and God! Why is everyone avoiding the question with that excuse! lol

          Yes. Why can't God just make a universe with evil that is better FOR US ALL than one without evil. He's all powerful, right? Who is to say He did not?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why can't God just make a universe with evil that is better FOR US ALL
            What do you mean by "evil?"

            How is something "evil" outside of it making things "worse" for the individual experiencing it?

            It's like you are asking why can't God create a universe with "shit that makes things WORSE" that is BETTER for us all?

            I don't know how you and the other guy (

            >How?, don't just say something as if it's true because you said it, elaborate.
            If I have to elaborate how evil enhances the value of good, then you have to elaborate how evil somehow takes away from the good in this world.
            Besides, I thought I made it pretty clear why evil/suffering enhances good. Evil provides contrast, and without the suffering, then there might as well BE no good at all because it would be like pushing an "I win" button. There's no substance to a task without it being at least a little difficult. And if you go too long without difficulty, you just get soft and the easy things become evil.
            >It's like saying if someone puts a side of shit on your plate of steak and fries it "enhances" the value of the food
            Not exactly what I was going for. But that would enhance the value of getting another plate of steak and fries.
            >All you've actually done is add to the argument that all of this suffering is for God's entertainment,
            Not true. It is for our entertainment too. Hard to play video games are the most fun when you get into them.
            >notice you use the word "better" for the first statement (as in better for us, the humans) and then you switch to "good" in the second statement which is just up to Gods personal opinion, because a universe that is more entertaining for him would be "good".
            Semantics. I meant good for humans, obviously. You're putting words in my mouth. The question remains. Why can't God make a universe with evil that is also better(for humans) than one without?
            >You are likely living in a first world country and was born into a good family. All circumstances that give you an easy life and a lot of easy opportunities. There is no "have fun with it" for a poor child sold by their drug addicted parents who then gets sex trafficked for years and then kills themselves one day.
            You're projecting. Were you sex trafficked by addict parents, anon? no? so how come you speak like you are? Those who carry such weights are not made weak.

            ) aren't seeing the contradiction, and that's likely because you are being vague and not thinking specifically about what "better" or "evil" means TO HUMANS.

            Things are literally called "evil" because they make life worse NOT better. So you are asking for a "worse better" (a worse version of the better version) if you ask for a universe with evil that is also better lol.

            It doesn't make sense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A finite amount of evil is needed to seed an infinite life of bliss. Meanings cannot be formed outside a context of limitation and lack.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, you are using circular logic. You are arguing that bliss cannot be recognized unless there is an opposite to compare it too, but you don't need an opposite because even if it didn't exist, a sentient being would be able to comprehend the lack of something. We don't become morons in a hypothetical universe without suffering.

        Lets say we lived in a universe where physical pain doesn't exist. We'd never know what the hell pain is, but we'd understand what a lack of pleasure is, and we'd understand that we'd prefer pleasure over a lack of it. We'd never be able to comprehend the concept of pain itself, but we'd easily be able to comprehend the concept of "lacking pleasure", of "no pleasure", and that would be enough for us to be glad that we had pleasure instead of a hypothetical "nothingness".

        The logic you guys say only makes sense if in the hypothetical universe you imagine we are all just idiots with and IQ of 50 and no self awareness. Were not animals, we'd still be humans in that perfect universe without suffering, and we'd comprehend that the opposite of prosperity, is lacking prosperity.

        If food was so abundant and ever growing on some hypothetical magic earth, to the point that nobody ever starved. We'd still be able to comprehend "lacking food" even if we never experienced starvation. We'd still think of that thing that never happens as a hypothetical "bad thing" to experience. Of course to us such concepts would be abstract, but we'd still be ware of them, and we'd still be glad that they never happen.

        There would still be scientists studying the universe, and some would even write papers about these abstract concepts and some would even be amazed of why these negative abstract concepts don't exist, but we'd probably use more abstract wording rather than words like "negative" or "bad" or "evil", because these things would never have been defined to have their own terminology.

        Like the letter 'w' = double 'u'. Do you get it? (abstract).

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You are arguing that bliss cannot be recognized unless there is an opposite to compare it too
          No, I'm not. Try again. Bliss is not just an hedonic state.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Implying that god exists or ever existed.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "We are all our own devils and we make this world our hell"

    Congrats OP. You're operating on the same level of understanding as an Irish 19th century gay!

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humans need something to blame therefore they need God to blame all their problems into, God is innocent from causing their problems

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are we not made in his image

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The world is inherently bad because God is bad. The proof that the world is bad is that the default condition of life is bad (starvation, exposure to elements/predators, boredom, loneliness, etc) and the things that have to be done (physically/mentally harmful labor, submission to domination/abuse/sadism, etc) to cancel out the default negative condition of life and achieve homeostasis are themselves inherently bad/negative things, such that it's impossible for most people to even achieve a neutral or stable condition of life, instead having to choose between two bad conditions. Meanwhile anything even remotely good is violently gatekept, a consistently "good" condition of life practically only exists in the realm of fantasy/imagination, and even the THOUGHT or IDEA of good conditions of life are violently gatekept, even thinking about having desirable things will cause me to be abused because the inherent nature of this world is bad, the default condition of life is bad, good things are violently gatekept, it's nearly impossible to even achieve a neutral or stable condition of life and good conditions of life only exist in fantasy.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God have mercy on us

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Stop pretending like God is the problem.
    I mean, God is though. God is omnipotent, yet still engineered existence in this way?
    If you believe so highly of the Almighty, may you account for the suffering at the hands of existence itself we must endure? Were it not for creation, the knowledge of suffering we would, have not.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >God is omnipotent, yet still engineered existence in this way?
      Because it maximizes bliss. You should be thanking Him.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the argument is that god created humans so he's at fault for their many shortcomings, like if you breed pitbulls and one of them mauls a baby the pitbull did the violent act but you'll also be blamed for breeding them in the first place.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything that exists was first conceived in the mind of God. Every physical thing, every idea and every action. Nothing can be unless its potential first existed within God and was allowed to manifest by God's will.

    Nothing you can do can be outside of God's will. Nothing can offend God, because God conceived and willed it all into existence.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TO ARMS MY BROTHERS THEY ARE STEALING OUR DUCHESSES

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If we experienced our lives from third person, they would be like movies to us.
    No, it's a nightmare. You are glued to one perspective, the first person. This perspective has ground rules that you cannot disobey. You have to experience, and you have to live if you can help it; because of all those bells and whistles in "your" head, all the pain that "you" feel, all the thoughts and beliefs that "you" have, all the actions that "you" "choose".
    Technically you could bite your own finger off as easy as biting through a baby carrot. Technically you could choose to gouge your own eyes out right now. Why don't you? Because "I" want to keep my finger so that "I" can use it? Because "I" want to see?

    I believe from your point of view I'm just throwing words at you; but someday you'll come to a point where understanding hits you like a freight, and I hope you're ready by then. We're always in control of our destinies until we're not.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based thread, nihilism gays stay seething.

    My only comment is that suffering =/= Evil. For example, a lion isn’t Evil because it eats a person causing them to suffer. However, a human who rapes and kills another is definitely Evil.

    Evil is a choice, and it’s through the grace of God that we are allowed that choice.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick humanity frick God frick all devils and frick this creation. Creation was a mistake.

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