How do I become a buddhist in the west? I'm talking about real convictions not just fake beliefs

How do I become a buddhist in the west? I'm talking about real convictions not just fake beliefs

It seems impossible considering the very fabric of the society we live in as an american or western. You have to pay rent or else you're screwed.

In the west you can't rely on anyone because you'll be homeless and you can't truly become a buddhist as there is nobody.

In the east you can rely on everyone because it's just accepted that people must help the Buddhists with the offering of food in the alms, and other practices. It's widespread knowledge that buddhists are the ones trying to escape suffering where as in the west nobody gives a shit, they just indulge in everything making it near impossible to become a buddhist without possessions.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn’t the Buddha live on like a single grain of rice or something until he reached nirvana? Just be like him and don’t eat anything. Find a tree to sit under and meditate for the rest of your existence.

    Alternatively, if you really do have convictions, just learn an Asian language and travel to Asia. It’s not hard if it’s something you really want. To be honest, you probably don’t need to learn a language, I’m sure there are spiritual leaders in Asia who speak at least some English. It’s the most prevalent lingua Franca in the world. I’ve traveled to Asia, and many people can speak at least a very broken and extremely limited English. But it’s better than nothing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What I'm trying to say is there's all these worldly stressors that monks in asia don't have to deal with. Also you still need water.

      For example in the US if you wanted to sit in the middle of the forest for 40+ days you'd go to jail or be kicked out.

      If someone saw you in asia they wouldn't question it. Asia is conducive to the buddhist way of life as a monk since it's ingrained that buddhists are part of the culture.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So go to jail like a good Buddhist? They’ll at least feed you there right?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You go to a temple and practice even if online. Most lay Buddhists take the five precepts or at minimum practice them regardless of tradition.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >practice even if online

      Another possession, a computer. I'm talking about complete disintegration of the self and all possessions.

      For example buddhist get an offering of food everyday as a gift. Me I'm sitting here in america about to get spend $10 on mcdonalds because nobody is going to give me any food lunch without a bunch of paper bureaucracy.

      For example homelessness. You can do that in asia because they have temples and things dedicated to the practice. In america I am homeless and will be living on the streets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The idea is you have to start somewhere. Monks don't own anything but they still interact with things. Some monks may be forced to actually work on a computer for example answering inquirer questions or being as source of merit for others. That is actually one of the hardest tasks a monk can do. Once you have an actual practice and go to a place you can try seeing if you are cut out for it by taking the 8 precepts and doing retreats. One of the harder things is actually being capable of following instructions on routine things .

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I should point out OP that becoming a Buddhist really means taking refuge. A lay person and a monk both take refuge. Practice looks different for them though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Another possession, a computer.
        Those beliefs are another possession.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/AjQmdcE.jpeg

          You will not necessarily control the practices you do either, especially at first. Usually, a teacher will guide you. This is besides things like chanting and other more fixed practices. You may get more detailed philosophical explanations that align those practices. It is more structured like a curriculum but it does not necessarily represent how lay people would approach it or how usually people in the west think of these traditions as lay people.

          I just ordered 40 mcnuggets for my one meal of the day, I spent $16.

          How far am I from enlightenment. This is what western society has pushed me to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The lay person generally in Buddhism is held to be ideally progressing at the path as well just at a different pace or in a different way. Generally, if you are going to become a monk or cleric there is an interview process associated with it unless it is a temporary stay for someone doing so as a young adult in Thailand before you get married.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Generally, the idea should be that one sees monastic/ascetic practice as a natural and normal transition, a continuation of one's practice rather than a rupture.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cat is cute, but I think you're the same homosexual that called synchronicities coincidences and that cannot be forgiven.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >thread about buddha's holy scripture
    >anons mind immediately jumps to jerking off
    may the right medicine find you soon.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One of the challenges is that you may also be doing things you don't want to do. You might be tasked for example with taking on scholarly work translating or analyzing Buddhist texts and even real academic work. It could also be flipped where they don't think you should read things for a while and focus on practice.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    yes yes, everything is about your penis anon. everything.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You will not necessarily control the practices you do either, especially at first. Usually, a teacher will guide you. This is besides things like chanting and other more fixed practices. You may get more detailed philosophical explanations that align those practices. It is more structured like a curriculum but it does not necessarily represent how lay people would approach it or how usually people in the west think of these traditions as lay people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Plus you're going to realize that it's all fake and gay soon enough. Don't try to find refuge from the emptiness of the West in the East.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Extreme forms of asceticism is a cope for sub-5 men who can't get any b***hes. Staring at a wall pretending you don't want pussy is a waste of life. Just find a craft you really enjoy and achieve mastery at it instead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      men become ascetics through practice and group together and form monasteries so they can continue without bothering anyone else
      there's no coping involved. nobody becomes an ascetic on purpose, it's just a side effect.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You also have to do research on the monasteries you are interested in. Not in terms of tradition They often have specific focuses or philosophies at a micro level. This will appear in the discussion of the vetting process or upasampadā. Sometimes public temples vs more private temples are examples. Basically, they often involve different roles. In some cases like Thailand, there are also non-official temples or Samnak song which generally, you should not go to unless you really know what you are doing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That may be the case in Buddhist countries but anyone who has visited a few Western monasteries can tell you that the sort of guys you see living as monks tend to be pretty weird. In my experience the only normal people are the literal boomers who spent a couple decades living in Thailand or wherever before coming back to start a monastery.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the only genuine way to do this as a Westerner is to become a Catholic and take up a vow of poverty.
    Otherwise you'll always be the westerner larping as a buddhist
    sorry

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But Christianity is a Semitic religion, so wouldn't you just be larping as a israelite in that case?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There are western monasteries of Buddhism in multiple traditions including Theravada, Chan, Pure Land and Tibetan Buddhism. Some have a much larger community like The City of Ten Thousand Buddhas, which is a whole city. with a monastery Pic is of the Birken Buddhist Monastery, a Theravada Buddhist temple. Pao Fa Temple is the largest US Buddhist temple. You can find temples even for clerics in less large traditions in the us like Koyasan Buddhist Temple, a Shingon temple.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To me it feels like there's something inherently evil about buddhism in the west, not the actual practice but the forsaking of putting those teachings in america.

        Just being in proximity with western society sort of rubs negativity into my consciousness which is why I'd rather go to asia. Should I go to asia?

        I think I should go to asia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        y'all don't hire black people?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They do, pic is Lobzang Dorje. Even in Asia black people have become monks and clerics. There are also monasteries with Africans in Africa like with Bhante Bikkhu Buddharakkhita.

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