Hermes/Thoth shows up in Gnosticism?

I was reading the Apocryphon of John the other day and noticed an interesting bit:

His self-aware thought (ennoia) came into being.
Appearing to him in the effulgence of his light.
She stood before him.

This, then, is the first of the powers, prior to everything.
Arising out of the mind of the Father
The Providence (pronoia) of everything.
Her light reflects His light.

She is from His image in His light
Perfect in power
Image of the invisible perfect Virgin Spirit.

She is the initial power
glory of Barbelo
glorious among the realms
glory of revelation

She gave glory to the Virgin Spirit
She praised Him
For she arose from Him.

[This, the first Thought, is the Spirit’s image]

She is the universal womb
She is before everything
She is:
Mother-Father
First Man
Holy Spirit

Thrice Male
Thrice Powerful
Thrice Named

Androgynous eternal realm
First to arise among the invisible realms.
—-
Obviously, the one they’re referencing is also known as Hermes Trismesgustus in other religions. Who was Hermes, really? As a Catholic, I think it’s cool that he was in a Christian-linked religion (even if considered heretical).

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And what’s up with the whole “Thrice-Named” bit that seems to ALWAYS occur when Hermes is introduced? It doesn’t even really make sense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but,
      Study the Emerald Tablet
      First process, the world is created. That's one.
      Then one ascends from gross to subtle. That's two
      Then brings the subtlety back down to the earth ("receiving the powers of above and below"). That's three.
      That's the secret to all the work. It completes and you become self-aware. Then this awareness rises to the heights to gather spiritual light, then descends to "redeem" the lower parts, thus finding the "One Thing" as described
      Everything can be seen in a trine, a trine that is one thing. The eye in the triangle. Creation itself for example:
      There is a monad. Then there is a second point. But the distance between these two points don't mean anything because there is nothing to compare it two. Any plain line segment is identical, having no rotation and no relative distance. But a third point comes along in relation to the two previous points, and births all relation. These are the Monad, the great Father (note the phallic shape of the line) and the fertilized Mother (although birthing all relation, is not relation herself. Thus is the Abyss created.
      Also three are the Gunas: Rajas, Tamas, and Sattva which can be considered synonymous with Sulphur, Salt, and Mercury respectively: Rapidity, Sluggishness, and their Balance. "The Gunas revolve."
      Also, in old Kabbalah, the earth was merely a pendant to the Tree of Life; Fire (the great Father mentioned), Water (the great Mother mentioned) copulated, first failing to create a self-aware child in the mess of the Abyss, but later birthed Air, the Soul, the Sun from the reflection of the Monad, Divine Light down through this Abyss, allowing Life.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is patently ridiculous. Darkness came first, everyone agrees. The abyss is primordial and was not created. Light was created. Darkness is also known as the great mother. The first creation, the first duality, is the father. And the offspring creates the trinity. The monad is all, it is source. Therefore, the monad is darkness. Mother is the monad.
        >ver not req

        • 4 weeks ago
          S

          The Abyss is the name of Relation. Any true God is beyond Relation

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dude, I’m not taking any position here, I’m literally just quoting “The Apocrypha of John,” saw that a female Hermes pops up in it, and thought it was cool that Hermes was linked to Christianity. Made me think of what other stuff was taken away from modern day Catholicism/Orthodoxy/Christianty.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        These are the Monad, the great Father (note the phallic shape of the line) and the fertilized Mother (although birthing all relation, is not relation herself.

        I’ve never looked at it this way! To further your symbolism, the “phallic” depiction of the line is what builds up the “yonic” depiction of the triangle (I actually had to look up the word for the feminine version of phallic).

        I’m not sure what you mean by is “not relation itself” however. Though at that point seems to be arguing semantics and seems to boil down to:

        line/phallic/foundational/“masculine”
        triangle/yonic/relational/“feminine”

        It really is having one with the other. The masculine building blocks are used to create the feminine “architecture”/“essence”/“beauty”. I think confused younger women these days would benefit from seeing it in this regard (well, young men too) with the whole gender virus going on. Both are important and complement each other— you don’t have one without the other.

        A beautiful piece of architecture (feminine) is comprised of foundational pieces (masculine), and both don’t really give us anything without the other, e.g. what’s the point of having the building blocks if they aren’t used for building, and you don’t get the beautiful architecture without the blocks.

        I don’t know if any of this made sense but I find it interesting

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes I agree. Lingayoni is the basis of Art. Just as an Ego or any focus becomes foreground / masculine and the invisible becomes background / feminine

          Actually rajas is mercury, satva is sulphur, and tamas can be either salt or lead.
          The gunnas are also related to our bodies: tamas for the gross/physical body, rajas for the subtle/etheric body, satva for the astral/causal body. Rajas is liquid, tamas is solid and satva is gaseous.

          I would disagree. Mercury represents balance just like Sattva and Sulphur represents activity just like Rajas

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually rajas is mercury, satva is sulphur, and tamas can be either salt or lead.
        The gunnas are also related to our bodies: tamas for the gross/physical body, rajas for the subtle/etheric body, satva for the astral/causal body. Rajas is liquid, tamas is solid and satva is gaseous.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Also, in old Kabbalah, the earth was merely a pendant to the Tree of Life;
        Earth in Torah as a second meaning for the physical Body of Man and not simply Earth. (Even the Torah is as above so below like the emerald tablet.)
        > Fire (the great Father mentioned), Water (the great Mother mentioned) copulated
        literally in center of Tree of Life (Sham) : שאמ
        Aleph (The monad) is the union of opposite fire and water.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Better pic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean the Atziluthic Father Chokmah

          https://i.imgur.com/vr7MzC3.png

          > Better pic

          Another way of viewing this is the versions with Gimel, Samekh, Tau creating the middle pillar from Kether-Tiphareth-Yesod-Malkuth. GSTh = 463 = מט ההשקד (Moses' "Rod" of almond.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ignore the rambling bullshit, it’s because he’s a syncretic god made by combining three distinct figures, usually Hermes, Thoth and a mortal

  2. 4 weeks ago
    S

    >His self-aware thought (ennoia) came into being.
    Kinda like Ptah

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here is the break-up, OP: original christianity was not israeli, nor monotheistic.
    The essenes, who wrote these apocryphous texts, were priests of Cybele, and operated from Ephesus. They were not castrated like history books says, they were just celibate (in fact the word comes from Cybele as well). They are the true founders of christianity, and only later that religion was israeliteified, becoming intolerant to other cults.

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