Has anyone actually tried the magic(K) of Franz Bardon or Aleister Crowley?

I think this is just LARP garbage. It takes way too long to invest the time and passion, and if you fail, people will just say "You must have done something wrong, KEK."
Has anyone really tried it and seen any results? This isn't a place for LARPing.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't It just ceremonial magick? It's like yoga, you'll feel better allegedly and little else. I'm gonna try picrel soon, supposedly similar.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Negi Springfield

    I haven't read Bardon, but I do know quite a bit about Crowley and his Thelema. It's interesting when it adds to the mix, but to take it straight with no chaser is not a good idea. Also you have to avoid seeing him as an example of what to do in most situations. The best way to "do magick" is to develop spiritual practices and do them with on a steady basis. Make it part of a routine. It's like the israeli Tfillah or the Islamic Salaat. Make the whole thing part of you rather than just something you do every now and then. No weekend warrior magicians.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, Idk, he could adopt qigong instead, maybe he will like It more?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Negi Springfield

        Qigong is interesting, but it is moderately difficult to learn without having to do other things too. You would want to learn Chinese to some degree, be it Mandarin, Cantonese, or some other spoken variety. Also learn about the actual Chinese characters themselves and their hieroglyphic meaning. Qigong isn't just "feel qi flowing through your body". There's lots of additional elements to it. At least with Thelema you have a lot of that stuff preset and you can make it suit your needs. I am working on something that might make it even easier for people. It's called Darekh Tsari.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I am working on something that might make it even easier for people. It's called Darekh Tsari.
          I recall you mentioning it in the past threads, but it seem like it's the kind of thing you keep on working on without having much to show for it and still issues IRL like not many friends you can't resolve. I confess, even if I ignore potential personality flaws indicated by using a tripcode when it's not necessary and naming oneself after anime character - it does not bode well for effectiveness of your thing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Negi Springfield

            The essence of the thing is simple. It doesn't require me to be the head of it even. The reason i bring it up so much is because I plan on making it into a bigger thing. The worst thing that happened was when the co-founder died and left me with a handful of people who weren't interested in it really. For me this isn't the worst case scenario, since I would make it somewhat unappealing on purpose. I'm not looking to create the McDonalds of occultism. From the name alone you can tell that it builds on Qabalah and a lot of Judaic sources. That does a lot of filtering on it's own.

            That being said, I will work on it more when I have the time. I have to work now because I don't have money rolling in. If I didn't have to work then this could be much further along. Maybe I should tease it more on my Youtube channel. We'll see.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Negi Springfield

            Thought I'd make a video about this. I'll probably be talking about it a lot more. Maybe get some interest going. Who knows.

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What I'm genuinely curious about is whether successful people in this society, those who have truly achieved their goals, have any real connection to this magic nonsense. Even the israelites likely aren't deeply involved in this stuff.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Negi Springfield

        Everyone has a different definition of success. For some it might be to be able to not have to work and still have money. For others it might be to be able to afford a big purchase, like a house or a boat. Does Magick work for those things? Yes and no. Yes, because it can be a catalyst for you to do what is necessary to get them. No, because it won't happen overnight and without effort. If you're not prepared to sacrifice your time and effort then nothing will happen. There is no genie waiting to grant you wishes. Magick is basically spirituality but with a lot more work in it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Generally speaking, rich and succesful people are freemasons, druids (many artists are druids or bards), and other stuff.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While I agree with this view, I also think differently in some aspects. They are definitely mystics and use symbols, but that doesn't mean they seriously perform foolish rituals or engage in otaku-like analysis of ancient religions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please, who do you think designa the weird ritualistic stuff you see left and right in media?
            I've read books in my study of druidry from the designers of one of those rites, chummer

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not denying the use of symbols and mysticism. I'm just skeptical about actions like lighting a specific color candle on a certain date, sprinkling particular incense, and chanting bizarre spells.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Negi Springfield

            The reason for all those very specific things is simple. Mnemonics or memory devices. They're supposed to anchor the idea of the specific demon (in Goetia) or god/goddess in other traditions. There is no other reason for it. It's supposed to help you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >anime character nickname
            >still LARP

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thelema requires sex with a pretty girl.
    And in my area there are no potential candidates. There are only uglies here, not even mids.

    In the past I had contact with some thelemites from a OTO lodge in another city, but they afirmed to be christians, and did no sex magick. I was expecting Satan, but found the usual golem. I'm sorry, but I only join lodges that offers me sexual gratification and Satan right out the bat.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Negi Springfield

      >Thelema requires sex with a pretty girl
      >requires
      No, it doesn't require you to do anything. You don't have to get laid.
      >Do what Thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
      Requiring things is what your normative religions require of their sheep followers. The exoteric teachings that is.

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