Gnostic Bible

Is there a gnostic bible? I know gnosticism is really a collection of wide-ranging beliefs, but there's gotta be something better than the Marcion Bible (too short) and the Nag Hammadi (way too long).

If there is no "gnostic bible" what else should I add to my reading list? I'm planning on reading/re-reading Matthew, Mark, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, the Apocryphon of John, and the Pistis Sophia.

>inb4 gnosticism isn't real

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always liked the Gnospel of Philip, it feels very similar to the Gnospel of Thomas

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    considering 90% of gnostic texts were destroyed, and the only true extant branch that exists currently has almost nothing to do with online Gnosticism, yeah, it kind of doesn't

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it kind of doesn't
      doesn't what? moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I assume he meant "gnosticism doesn't have a bible"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ye

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the closest thing you'll get to a "bible" of Gnosticism but the author doesn't like using the word Gnostic and it was put together by a council of Catholic priests, so you're better of just reading Jung and the Lost Gospels to start you on your way in Jungian Psychology.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      jung couldn't have less to do with this shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        read more

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not an answer homosexual

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            u mad bro? read more b***h.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why would I take the advice of some lazy frick who cant even explain himself?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Explain
            Go back to r*ddit you fedora tipping troony

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and people wonder why gnostics are made fun of here.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I want to be her

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            good taste

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        read more

        >read more

        Reading can't cure moronation anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          but you can crochet it.
          umm...
          flags anyone?

          have some senpais hit the wayback for 10so org or 10sineoutreach?

          can't say I'm proud of everything I did but the website turned out...

          *clears throat*

          duck

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, first, there’s the New Testament itself. Basically all of it from the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) to Paul’s epistles to the Acts of the Apostles and other books there to St. John of Patmos/St. John the Divine’s Book of Revelation.

    Contrary to the bitter, mocking, caricaturized, and shallow view of Gnosticism that often circulates here, I don’t think a real intelligent, discerning, heartfelt and faithful Gnosticism would disregard these or claim it’s claiming something entirely different from these. Rather, it would claim itself to be an intelligent and deeper supplement to these, revealing the mystical and esoteric spiritual truths already underlying these, latent in these, sometimes hidden or sometimes blatantly and openly revealed in these texts.

    I’ve heard it said from a very intelligent and beautifully heartfelt source I love that “the Christ spirit corroborates what is said in the Gospels.” The Spirit of Christ Himself can aid you and help corroborate the truth of what’s said in these texts. The Divine Inspiration of such Scriptures doesn’t just extend to the authors who wrote them down, but participates in the reader when they read these sincerely, open-heartedly, and open-mindedly. Where I differ from most mainstream orthodox Christians is that I believe that this also even applies to so-called Gnostic texts like the Gospel of Thomas. A collection of Jesus’s sayings, many of which are similar or identical to those found in the canonical Gospels, but including a significant amount more which (I believe) shed even more light on Christ’s authentic original teachings.

    I couldn’t, off the top of my head, say one-by-one exactly what is and isn’t bullshit, but I’d suggest the Nag Hammadi Tractates (edited/translated/with foreword by John M. Robinson). Besides even more seemingly eccentric/unorthodox sources like Philip K. Dick’s VALIS and Exegesis, Rudolf Steiner’s works, and Fourth Way texts.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      …besides as seemingly disparate sources as Vedanta, Tantra, Taoism, Hermeticism, Buddhism, shamanism, Sufism, even Jung.

      They killed Christ. They killed Him. (Or tried to, at least — depending on what you believe on His death and resurrection, and how literal/physical/or metaphysical these all are.) It’s practically the whole point of the religion, even the more mainstream orthodox interpretations. Do you think they couldn’t have perverted His teachings, censored and defamed certain early texts and teachings authentically inspired by Him, while they were also brutally attacking, imprisoning, murdering, executing and martyring the early followers of His? (As is explicitly admitted both in mainstream history and in the canonical mainstream texts of Christianity.)

      What do YOU think? Every intelligent and really aware person also can clearly see and admit that great atrocities have been carried out (and perhaps continue to be carried out) under the name of “Christianity.” By its own obvious, clearcut teachings, a faith of love, peace, self-sacrifice, and humility.

      So could there be a TRUE and a FALSE Christianity?

      Well, doesn’t Christ say this Himself?

      “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
      -Matthew 7:21-23

      And anyway, what’s up with the three MAGI who came to Jesus upon His birth, guided by a star? (Magi, likely Zoroastrian sages, and Zoroastrianism is proto-Abrahamism, setting up a God vs. Satan dichotomy as Ahura Mazda vs. Ahriman).

      Guided by a star?

      According to most mainstream exoteric “orthodox” Christian doctrine, wouldn’t astrology be some type of BLASPHEMY or PAGANISM?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why are 3 Magi right there in the Gospels as following a star to find Jesus upon His birth, praise Him and give Him gifts?

        Consider the fact that basically everyone — you and I included — might have been systematically made moronic. DEAF. BLIND. DUMB. (Metaphorically/spiritually speaking, of course). Institutions set up, from education to churches, giving us neutered, occluded views on what the TRUTH could possibly be. Important texts and teachings simply excluded, censored, excised, mistranslated and misinterpreted or simply left out of the canon. Like a rat and a mouse arguing over which one is a dog. The whole argument would be wrong, whether clever atheistic scientific materialism or mainstream Christianity, because both are just talking about things utterly wrong or stupid or misinterpreted, with an incomplete view of reality and religion, important information or perspectives simply left out.

        Did you know what’s translated from the Koine Greek of the New Testament as “repent” or “repentance” is METANOIA?

        Meta = beyond, above, transcending
        Noia = of Nous = Mind/Intellect

        Hence, “go beyond your mind”, or “transform your mind” is a better translated for what the Gospels call “repentance” in English (again, from Greek “metanoia”).

        Here’s another good one: the translation of “Give us this day our daily bread” in the Lord’s Prayer is WRONG. It’s mistranslated. The word we translate as “daily” is actually EPIOUSIAN. “Give us today our epiousian bread.” Epi- is a Greek prefix meaning on top of, above. -ousian seems to come from Ousia, a noun which basically can be translated a substance, essence, just turning it in an adjective. So it’s closer to, “Give us this day our SUPERSUBSTANTIAL or SUPERESSENTIAL bread.” An immaterial “bread”.

        This “bread” is literally the “food” of PERCEPTION. What we perceive, experience, think, and feel is basically a FOOD for our very PERCEPTION.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gurdjieff had great insights and teachings on this when he spoke and wrote of the “three Being-foods.” (Literal physical food for the physical body, breath for the subtle body that enlivens and animates the physical body, and perceptions for the consciousness that is like the driver of this all, sitting in the chariot of the subtle body and led by the horse of the physical body).

          Give us today our supersubstantial bread. “Food” for our soul, consciousness, or perception. Not literal earthly food (necessary as that may be to the upkeep of our bodies, for whatever purpose we’re put here on). But supersubstantial or superessential bread. Higher perceptions and a higher state of consciousness.

          And these are digested, excreted, and ultimately go to the upkeep, maintenance and development of the self basically just as (but parallel to, in a higher dimension) literal food does. Without literal food, our body starves and withers away. Without the “food” of higher perceptions or higher consciousness, our soul itself starves and withers away. These are called the “dead” or “the sleeping” or “the blind” in the Gospels. It’s all right there. An intelligent and good hearted strain of Gnosticism isn’t some type of Luciferianism or Satanism (although a specific sect called the Ophites, lumped in with the Gnostics, could be accused of that). It’s simply seeking an even deeper more internal understanding of what’s already in the New Testament. Also, in line with Jesus’s sayings in the Gospel of Thomas, it claims that YOU TOO can become LIKE Jesus or AKIN to Jesus or even ONE with Jesus (or whatever Jesus Himself was one with, which is The All or God), instead of it just being like a spiritual monarchy where there’s

          Jesus the King
          .
          .
          .
          You, the lowly pleb below Him

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            (2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

            (13) Jesus said to his disciples: Compare me, tell me whom I am like. Simon Peter said to him: You are like a righteous angel. Matthew said to him: You are like a wise philosopher. Thomas said to him: Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like. Jesus said: I am not your master, for you have drunk, and have become drunk from the bubbling spring which I have caused to gush forth (?). And he took him, withdrew, (and) spoke to him three words. Now when Thomas came (back) to his companions, they asked him: What did Jesus say to you? Thomas said to them: If I tell you one of the words which he said to me, you will take up stones (and) throw them at me; and a fire will come out of the stones (and) burn you up.
            >The Gospel of Thomas, Saying 13

            (77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
            >The Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77

            Corroboration of these in the canonical Gospels:

            12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
            >John 14:12

            Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
            >John 10:34
            (Itself quoting the 82nd Psalm).

            The Big Lie of the churches, religious authorities and hierarchs is that Christ was not teaching that you could become precisely like Him, BE Him or be a manifestation of God within Humanity just like Him. He was precisely trying to spread this among humanity like yeast leavening bread. A total transformation in your being so that you, like Christ, would be one with the Father.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost like Advaita Vedanta or some (theoretically, in terms of the fact that we ALL have access to it even if we don’t fulfill this potential) democratic shamanism. Inspiration by the Great Spirit, becoming a very manifestation of Its Will. In this respect, Black Elk was a truer “Christian”, even when he was a Lakota shaman and before he converted to Catholicism, before he even learned or knew much or anything of Christianity, than most “Christians”.

            And anyway, where did Christ go in His “missing years” as a young adult? … there are verifiable legends everywhere from Sufi to Tibetan communities of Jesus Christ, or an individual with His very name or one very close to it, having traveled and learned amongst them, records being handed down of His sojourns there. Baird T. Spalding also I believe claims this in the Himalayas/India from Masters he met there, in his big series “Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East.” The Grail Mythos even has Him in early Britain at one point. With Joseph of Arimathea, a disciple who supposedly took care of Jesus’s burial after His crucifixion, legendarily having started the first Christian church in Britain in Glastonbury, besides further legends Christ Himself traveled to Britain and thereabouts with Joseph of Arimathea while alive at some point.

            The world is fricking BIG. History is fricking BIG. The possibilities are huge. But narrow-minded bigots seem to prefer the idea of a local, narrow, petty and prejudicial limited God, restricted to a israeli background in a tiny geographically inscribed area in His lifetime; largely around the Mediterranean, Middle East and modern day Israel/Palestine then under the Roman Empire.

            The supposed cave in Nag Hammadi, Egypt where the Nag Hammadi tractates were found. And anyway, what’s up with Christianity’s similarities to some of Egyptian religion? (Ankh/Cross as symbol of eternal life, Set - Satan, etc.)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The most popular account of Black Elk is fraudulent, white lies

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Elaborate? If you can and want to.

            https://i.imgur.com/ujSxqFD.png

            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            its just mommy issues reflexed in deity goddness.
            it is not even necessary to read Jung or Freud or Gnostic texts to know that kek

            the new age since the wicca and thelema with their babalon have these mental delusions by feminist theories of matriarchy and other blah blah blah.
            that's why sometimes they use the iconography of asherah.

            Sophia, I think, corresponds to the Shekinah of the Old Testament that a lot is made out of in the Kabbalah; the element of reverence for the feminine aspect for God introduced through Marianism, largely in Catholicism, through reverence for Mary as the Mother of God; Shakti; and Tara, female saviors and Bodhisattva (or Buddha, in other accounts) in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism, associated with mercy, compassion, hearing the pleas of sinners or those trapped in samsara and helping liberate them (also herself interestingly regarded as “the mother of all Buddhas”, “the mother of the Tathagatas”, analogous to Mother Mary).

            > its just mommy issues reflexed in deity goddness.
            You reference Jung but show a shallow understanding of it, something like a reductive Freudian one. These “archetypes” themselves can be tied to a seemingly shallow thing like mother-child relations but transcend it, that one situation is like a lower-dimensional cross-section of a greater archetype.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Elaborate? If you can and want to.
            Black Elk only spoke Lakota, “Black Elk Speaks” has two layers of interlocutors: Ben, his son and translator, and Neihardt, the author of the text. Neihardt has been shown to have substantially altered the transcripts of their interviews for publication.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, most likely they would read parts of the gospel or even Old Testament but with additional books or gospels they had. Most likely they would have different liturgies than the ones Christians would have had as well to understand the texts.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not in a traditional sense no.They would have read things like the New Testament and even the Old but alongside other books or Gospels. Just like the early church and most of the historical Christian traditions what would have mattered mot likely would have been the liturgy they practiced which would have summarized and synthesized the texts. Most likely they just like their Christian counterparts would have read some parts of their texts in their liturgies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would they really have read the old testament? When did the idea that YHWH was the demiurge start to appear?

      >captcha: WHWH

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The idea of a fixed canon of works only developed after a number of divisions appeared within early Christianity and it became necessary for some of them to define which texts are acceptable. Many groups who were "Gnostic" did not have a fixed cannon because they were looking at the allegorical/hidden meaning of texts.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism is a plague on the human soul, go down another rabbit hole unless you want to be a life-denying ascetic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My life is already shit, I may as well go down this path

      oh turns out my friend is a lawyer....

      senpais? did yous does...

      high af rn fr fr nc

      Go shit up someone else's thread, I'm trying to learn here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >oh yeah punk?!
        >what are we trying to figure out?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >my life is shit, better make sure I ruin what few nice things I have and forever poison my world view

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh turns out my friend is a lawyer....

    senpais? did yous does...

    high af rn fr fr nc

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >guy tells story
    >has bad fish
    >has bad bread
    >surprised when people claim to be full

    >must've fed them all....

    >senpais battery is low...

    >see ya soon

    >*trips in honeypot

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok if it's even possible to get this thread back on track, I've got a question related to the standard canon. Does anyone else feel like the Gospels of Luke and John are basically just Jesus fanfics for lack of a better word? Luke adds a bunch of stuff to make it more appealing to a gentile audience. And John adds a lot of theological stuff, which I guess is fine, but also adds a lot of stuff about Jesus' life that I find dubious like his extended ministry. I guess that's why I'm drawn to gnosticism, something or really many things about the orthodox narrative don't make sense.

    Though I guess I shouldn't complain about stuff being added to the gospel considering how much mythology there seems to be behind gnosticism.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is not standard canon, Gnostics are even more fractured than Christianity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've grasped that by now, I meant the regular, mainline Christianity canon. The New Testament. I just didn't want to accidentally use the wrong phrase.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh ok, and not really, I've always seen them as 4 different point of views that, while differing in accounts, are close enough that they work together to fill out the important bits of his life. The apocalyptic stuff is definitely the odd ball shit and a product of the time of its writing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's all mythology, anon. The point is to introduce you to the Christ frequency, so you know how to find him.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP needs this in his or hers life:
    http://gnosis.org/library/gs.htm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine getting gnostics to agree on what gnosticism is;
    >let alone on what texts are important

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do I pray to Sophia?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does Sophia love humans?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah i think so

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kek
          based picture

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            Anonymous
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            Anonymous
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            Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think sometimes i feel this love but its a soft love like a mother. I dont know if its because I want that and am imagining that or if thats her holiness or what. but i feel like i've never felt the "Christ love" unless its the same thing?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i feel like i've never felt the "Christ love" unless its the same thing?
            remember, Jesus had a mom, too.
            i don't really have time to go into it right now but christ consciousness is an energy, a force - its nature got wrapped up and lost in language and culture, but almost every religion is describing the same thing when it comes to 'christ consciousness' or 'Christ's love'. read picrel for a QRD

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Check out Kaia Ra's "The Sophia Code" 🙂

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/5XpurRe.png

        yeah i think so

        I think sometimes i feel this love but its a soft love like a mother. I dont know if its because I want that and am imagining that or if thats her holiness or what. but i feel like i've never felt the "Christ love" unless its the same thing?

        Check out Kaia Ra's "The Sophia Code" 🙂

        its just mommy issues reflexed in deity goddness.
        it is not even necessary to read Jung or Freud or Gnostic texts to know that kek

        the new age since the wicca and thelema with their babalon have these mental delusions by feminist theories of matriarchy and other blah blah blah.
        that's why sometimes they use the iconography of asherah.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "gnosticism" is not a real religion but rather a dubious catagory many extinct religions are put into.

    https://gnosis.study/

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=the+gnostic+gospels+pagels&form=ANNNB1&refig=2f19c5c297d3474584e3ddd3dd8b1e1f&pc=HCTS&sp=4&lq=0&qs=AS&pq=the+gnostic&sk=LS1AS2&sc=10-11&cvid=2f19c5c297d3474584e3ddd3dd8b1e1f

    Pagels

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >s there a gnostic bible?
    no
    > know gnosticism is really a collection of wide-ranging beliefs,
    yeah it’s a modern label for a group of beliefs, many of which were only associated by historical happenstance

    the most interesting “gnostic” texts imo are Thunder, Perfect Mind and The Hymn of the Pearl

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have good judgement you will appreciate Apocryphon of John and Gospel of Philip and the Acts of Thomas for the Hymn of the Pearl for sure. If you don't like them, abandon reading esoteric Christian primary sources. Gospel of Judas also has a fascinating perspective, but is largely polemic.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you need a list of rules to follow, you might have to consider the fact that you are less than human.
    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Following this is the simplistic thing on the planet yet the majority need over 1000 pages to explain this and still frick it up.

    Don’t be an butthole, that’s it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wasn't looking for a list of rules to follow, there's just such a lot of texts to read, I was wondering if someone compiled some sort of must-read list. I've gotten some good suggestions from this thread, but a lot of it is stuff I already planned on reading.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>inb4 gnosticism isn't real
    oh, it is, or at least the belief in it is real, and it has been the worse cult humanity as ever suffered

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >/pol/tard whines about leftists and uses a single man's opinion on leftism as his reference point on reality and the foundation for his limited belief system
      Stfu queer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So embarrassing.

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