Fiction was never meant to be so oversaturated and monetized.

Fiction was never meant to be so oversaturated and monetized. It used to be tied to religious instincts and every once in a while we'd have a fairy tale or a story like Robin Hood and those would last for hundreds of years. People literally treat shit like "Batman" like a god. They get tattoos of him and build shrines of his memorabilia. They try to think "how would he act in this situation" and how they can be more like them. Just plug in any popular fictional character and it's true. People are pouring their time and their life into thinking about and consuming fiction that isn't well thought out or tied to reality.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shreked

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically sums up what Neon Genesis Evangelion is about really. Good watch if you're interested in something that challenges the safe space most modern story telling contains itself in.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not what NGE is about at all, it's mainly about using mecha and bastardized gnostic mythos to frame the MCs struggles against insecurity and his lack of self worth.
      Don't get me wrong, like it, but it's only tangentially related to the shit OP is talking about.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’d bet money that 98% of the people on the street wouldn’t be able to describe the plot to any of the super hero movies that have come out in the past 20 years if you asked them. People don’t pay attention to anything or really care that much which is why the movies are continually raking in less and less money.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fiction during the age of Aries was all about encouraging the fighting spirit.
    Fiction during the age of Pisces spoke to the spiritual revelations Inherent in man.
    Fiction during the age of Aquarius is designed to placate the masses and reveal hidden tech

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >old fiction is good because it lasts long
    >this new fiction is bad because...it lasts long
    ??

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Old fiction is good because it draws directly from religious sources and isn't meta derivative

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Religion is the worst kind of fiction, because it encourages slave mentality and submission to authority. At least Sci-fi inspires progression and self-actualisation. It's also better at horror than mythology.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I get hating religion, but sci-fi literally just encourages secular religion. It promotes ignorant understandings of actual science among the populace and makes them easier to manipulate by the technocratic elite. Real science is both more boring and more terrifying than sci-fi.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. Religion fundamentally requires the suspension of reality for personal profit or detriment, usually via some sort of ritual, incantation or deals with spirits/gods. Sci-fi simply speculates on possibilities that can be reasonably drawn from current technology, just taken to extremes in one way or another. Unless we're talking about deep sci-fi like Xeelee or Star Trek's Q-continuum where it's pretty much technomagic.

            Also, that "technocratic elite" are lunatics who can't even control their own lives, let alone a rapidly disilusioned youth.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sci-fi simply speculates on possibilities that can be reasonably drawn from current technology
            I disagree. A large amount of sci-fi is written by people with little to no scientific background and promotes common misunderstandings about science. On top of that they often(not always, maybe like 40-50% of the time) promote BS utopian worldviews based on scientific advancement.
            >Also, that "technocratic elite" are lunatics who can't even control their own lives, let alone a rapidly disilusioned youth.
            Debatable. The average tech socratic elite has a lack of control over their own life, but that doesn't mean they can't produce effective propaganda. Disillusioned youth are often the easiest people to convert to a cause, assuming you disparage the group that originally disillusioned them(usually some gay church).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > A large amount of sci-fi is written by people with little to no scientific background and promotes common misunderstandings about science.

            See… I start to take issue when people make claims like this. For example, I know, for a 100% fact, that artificial gravity is real. That just scratches the surface of the technology that exists, that is not disclosed.

            Imagination is a powerful tool. You ain’t never watch Reading Rainbow?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you're argument is that most sci-fi is soft disclosure and that conflicts with what is research able as "real science" is because it's being covered up? Or am I misunderstanding?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn’t necessarily say most, or soft disclosure, but definitely say, some sci-fi is soft disclosure.

            I suppose, what I would say is, where do ideas come from? Do scientific ideas and science fiction ideas really have a different source?

            I would say, people start getting indoctrinated at a very young age with incredibly false scientific ideas, for the purpose of holding society back scientifically. So sci-fi often portrays things that university nerds wouldn’t think is within the realm of legitimate scientific probability, that may be.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I would say, people start getting indoctrinated at a very young age with incredibly false scientific ideas, for the purpose of holding society back
            Okay, this is definitely the crux of our disagreement then. I would argue that this does not happen intentionally. I would also argue that technological progress in no way objectively benefits human society, although it does allow warlike nation-states to get the upper hand on each other.

            Do you have any sauce to support your views that I might read?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > Okay, this is definitely the crux of our disagreement then. I would argue that this does not happen intentionally. I would also argue that technological progress in no way objectively benefits human society, although it does allow warlike nation-states to get the upper hand on each other.

            You don’t see the uh… Logical conclusion of what you’ve written?

            1. You don’t think that society is deliberately architected to suppress technological innovation
            2. You see clearly the potential negative ramifications of technological innovation

            In terms of written sources… There are over 1,000 inventions that are classified for national security reasons. I have direct experience with artificial gravity, and that’s really all I can say about that.

            Having had the experiences I’ve had, I’m thoroughly convinced that the entirety of our society is architected around suppressing technology. Do I have the written documents from the 1930s, “This is how we will enslave all of humanity”? No, no I do not.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I have direct experience with artificial gravity, and that’s really all I can say about that.
            I really wish you would say more. Please?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            dude its very deliberate lol they dont even hide it
            get smart or do drugs or both reallee

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sci-fi simply speculates on possibilities
            'Prophecy functions on a very long-term basis and has, as one of its properties, a characteristic which is the very source of strength of all religions: the impossibility of proof'.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >deep sci-fi like Xeelee or Star Trek's Q-continuum where it's pretty much technomagic.
            You sadly see it a lot, people will talk about how they 'love science' because they saw star trek or post star trek with the caption. It's hard to ignore if you've seen the type. Or there are some who go about something singularity something AI is real and they believe it because they saw that in the movies.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They try to think "how would he act in this situation" and how they can be more like them

    Thats the thing though...they really dont.
    Men arent going out training to fight crime, take the law into their own hands, striving to be above the normal.

    They like watching them and would be the same people watching them in their universe fight the crime/villain/alien/god but not doing anything about it.

    Its Voyeurism of the Heroic.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love art so much, but artists are spiritual trolls. They trick you into experiencing deeper emotions than your mind can illicit and integrate through your previous experiences. An artist sets out with a whole set of complex, abstract thoughts on the subject of their creation. These thoughts can reach down to the primal urge for satisfaction and that we can clearly detect. A work of art can draw us in on a range of emotions ranked from subtle to savage. The object in the artists hands is transformed into something mysterious and vastly complex, and what is produced is something greater than its parts combined. Media is like a plant that grows from a concept (seed) which takes in nutrients (thoughts) to carry through the plant (mind) into the fruit (object). The plant as a whole is more beautiful that what a person can imagine all at once because of how complex it is. Compare this to a superhero, a human being with complex emotions that go with having power over life and death to an absurd degree. The way that story would grow through the events that unfold could resemble a plant in that the parts of the story combined are transformed through the art and text into something larger than life.

      Media in all forms serves the purpose of being a highly mobile force, as it cannot be entirely ignored since it's an object. In this way information is forced and reinforced in the minds of groups who desire a common social link. A reader of comic books is looking for new information in the patterns of events that unfold, desiring to simulate reality within those events. Sure, it's voyuerism like said, but it is a voyuerism which leads to careful study of the paranormal effects of media on the spirtual level.

      Never underestimate beautiful images on a screen. Beauty brings real spiritual change to a person, as much as ugliness. I think we can all agree that ugly things have directly effected our spiritual development at times.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Capitalism is not paranormal

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    And people wonder why Schwab wants to depopulate them
    Plastic-encrusted fat useless morons

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >People literally treat shit like "Batman" like a god.

    Like.../x/?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    stories are super powerful, that's why. everything is a story. I think our cognition is designed for story-telling and receiving.
    people have trouble distinguishing media from reality. reality reminds them of a fictional events they witnessed on a screen. it's the ultimate simulacra, hyperreality, whatever you want to call it. that's why the culture industry is so important.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does it go? I've seen it on here a few times, I think it's:
      Language is a virus
      We already exist in a technological dystopia, but the technology is stories

      I knew that was you. I swear I havent been on /x/ in two weeks, ok? haha

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I promise I'm not them, I just remember them posting it. Once like a month ago, and once a long while before that. It definitely resonated with me though, I've had less articulate versions of that though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I'm them. I don't really have anything else to say about anything, but your bit about everything being stories really resonated with me too.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I feel like partly the "everything is stories" is true but also that it's an oversimplification from our modern perspective. Someone mentioned some theory in a thread a couple weeks ago, "hyperchrystalization of culture" or something similar, created by a scientist in the 80s talking about how culture was expanding and making itself more complex at a multiplicative rate and that this would probably reach a singularity within the first half of the 21st century.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol thanks again then. I can really feel memes getting more obscure, but not quite.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol thanks again then. I can really feel memes getting more obscure, but not quite.

            If you want something trippy to look into; Mirror neurons. Hypothetically humanity may have a primitive form of electromagnetic telepathy/subconcious communication.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fiction was never meant to be-

    DING DING DING DING DING

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does it go? I've seen it on here a few times, I think it's:
      Language is a virus
      We already exist in a technological dystopia, but the technology is stories

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Batman and superheroes are all vigilantes and the idea of "justice" coming from a noose sounds very appealing to the self-righteous streak of the Abrahamics.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >People literally treat shit like "Batman" like a god. They get tattoos of him and build shrines of his memorabilia. They try to think "how would he act in this situation" and how they can be more like them.
    lol nobody does this but a handful of comic book nerds. you probably think every other woman also does porn. most do not. go outside and touch grass, loser

  14. 2 months ago
    Red Robin

    There is no such thing as fiction

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >says fiction should have a religious aspect and last 100+ years
    >proceeds to shit on people for worshipping a character who is almost 100 years old

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      to shit on people for worshipping a character who is almost 100 years old

      It's especially funny because this board is filled with people who do just that to fictional characters.

      No one on EerieWeb makes threads asking how to communicate with Cthulhu, saying that Smurfs are real, saying Kryptonians are real or wondering what sort of deep esoteric knowledge it took to make The Joker.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Layered communication.
    You can handle a maximum of 7 layers.
    Each layer goes deeper into your subconscious.
    Like, this one time I was listening to this guy rambling on while riding on the subway, telling a story about his daughter describing her experience at school where her teacher told a story about Zeus educating his family about the dangers of mixing with mortals and described an encounter he had while living as a swan...
    Metaphor is an important aspect of 3d consciousness, in that it allows the meat brain to entertain concepts otherwise incomprehensible.

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