Do Abramelin, Franz Bardon's magic really summon supernatural phenomena?

Crowley crap is the same. I saw an interview with someone who completed the entire Abramelin operation, and there were no supernatural phenomena. It was no different from just doing long meditation.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Reddit says, "Is there anyone experienced with the Abramelin, Franz Bardon workings?"

    >And a life-wasting fool responds, "I feel at peace and stronger from it."

    >No supernatural mumbo jumbo.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're sane, you won't witness such phenomena without using hallucinogens. It's just hallucinations due to mental confusion.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a skeptic it's fine to start with this assuming the physical effects are all psychosomatic. Being able to control your organs, body temperature, and metabolism via your will alone is pretty useful by itself. From there you can begin dipping your toes into experiments that violate the materalist dogma and see for yourself. This is the greatest path you can walk, you should definitely do it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you done it yourself anon?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, was able to produce undeniable telekinetic phenomena after working on it for a few weeks. Since then I've been focusing on self-evolution and transcending the human condition.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >produce undeniable telekinetic phenomena
          let me guess, you moved one of these small paper umbrellas with your mind

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, moved an empty plastic cube an inch across a flat hard surface.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what experiment?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Belief = fairies.
    You wanna see the fae you gotta invest belief.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And I mean it, it's the foundations of magick. Read books on chaos magick for instance. Here, have a good rec

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, belief is earned after observation and obeying truthfulness rather than chaotic behaviour like believing before youve been a true witness.
      Thus whole belief shtick is coming from people who want you to embed into the collective unconscious some illogical and harmful ideas. Just think about why youre holding onto the idea or even accepted it into your heart and mind to begin with.
      Knowing what a sphere is will allow you to dream and think about spheres. You dont need to believe in a specific shape you havent seen. It makes no sense. But you do need the flexible brain to consider there might be geometries you haven't seen before and how you might bring them into awareness.

      My main guide showed up before there was belief and without my belief. Their presence sparked disbelief and doubt because the only honest response at the time was that I didnt know how it worked and whether it was something real. Keeping disbelief and expecting more from a higher being is the road to really cracking some nuts.

      Its the same shit with people giving blind Faith. You honor no god with blind faith. You can at best vibe and contemplate which actions you deem worthy and aligned and then act rightly for the right reasons. The very essence of a real God is that they are a sovereign being even across lifetimes. Expecting them to be indepedent forces with their own history with you is more natural than giving faith before you know what your relation and history are with them. Let them work for it. No matter what challenge you put in front of them they shouldnt have a big deal with it, especially when it is like asking an artisan for the very basics of their craft before youd even hire them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're moronic and were never interested in the occult. Go larp elsewhere, didnt read btw

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >were never interested in the occult
          you are correct. Im not interested in crutches and magical larp when we are (were) perfectly capable to commune, talk and have good experiences directly with higher beings without lower realm crap.

          Am I moronic for valueing not spending my time on bs? Your results are leading anon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I agree... To ann extent. To ever be able to commune, youd want to train, and this is learned elsewhere, and some occultism books have good training wheels

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Incidentally had a conversation earlier about how sometimes I communication people tend to view things through filters rather than objectively. Even if two minds mean well there can be subjective feelings or interpretations that skew the intended meaning.

            Not all occult writings are bad. Even bad books can be very helpful provided that you meditate and think in why certain things dont resonate with you. If you read them critically that leads you to better information anyway. But dont mindlessly copy them or put your mind on autopilot and just "believe" your way to results. It makes no sense. The awareness of possibility is enough. I only lost interest after I noticed that I could get results without rites. Talking with a spirit you consider family should be as simple as focus and meditative state.

            I can find myself in what

            Franz Bardon is more to the point and doesn't shy away from giving technical details about what's usually kept as pure mystified esotericism by other authors, his "practice of magical evocation" is a good example.

            But regarding your issue, you can't use grimoires or copy procedures as if they were a recipe in a cook book. Magic is firstly and foremost an internal practice, your mind must be arranged in a very specific way and rituals then must follow this arrangement, it's constant process of analogical conversion, rituals aren't as simple as mindlessly drawing or chanting, they're a mental work out.

            describes. Your inner mental structure and not the physical acts are leading. What puts me off is that most procedures or books dont really manage to give a depthful explanation as to why their things work. More important is how they arrived at it, what process lead to the development of the method.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >no u
        Sad.
        You have no idea how it all works, and it's sad because even with evidence provided, you're too stuck in your materialist worship.
        Good luck out there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you're too stuck in your materialist worship.
          youre just talking through the filters of your own worldviews. Let go of that and really read what Im saying.
          Materialisr worship man go touch grass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think this guy is right while the people that disagree with him are coping and seething.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which system/path led to this encounter? I met someone in dreams, I wish to speak with them again but they have not shown up again.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Franz Bardon is more to the point and doesn't shy away from giving technical details about what's usually kept as pure mystified esotericism by other authors, his "practice of magical evocation" is a good example.

    But regarding your issue, you can't use grimoires or copy procedures as if they were a recipe in a cook book. Magic is firstly and foremost an internal practice, your mind must be arranged in a very specific way and rituals then must follow this arrangement, it's constant process of analogical conversion, rituals aren't as simple as mindlessly drawing or chanting, they're a mental work out.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Franz Bardon's magic really summon supernatural phenomena
    There is no "supernatural" phenomena. If it manifests, then it is natural.
    Franz Bardon stuff might work if people would do them the same way he did. That is
    >starting the training as a prepubescent kid
    >dedicating a few decades to these practices
    Otherwise I really doubt it will have any notable effect beyond some nice visualization skills and the ability to gaslight yourself into believing your a warlock

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the same lazy excuse people give to not learn languages lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the same lazy excuse people give to not learn languages lol

      sometimes i feel that some of the brightest minds deliberately incarnate without spiritual nincompoopery so they can focus on what truly matters. Look at how much early mathematicians were laying the fundament of the schools of thought that still endure to this day and how relatively few people speak that language fluently.

      Theyre not lazy but they usually dont have profound spiritual experiences unless they seek it out with intention. Focus is an important thing. How many spirits can tell you things you dont yet know?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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