>Christians say only their god is real and all others are just deception

>Christians say only their god is real and all others are just deception
>Pagans/occultists say only their gods are the real ones and Christianity is a deception
who can be believed?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    frick around and find out

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the scientific method
        Try things, see what works. Explain results with a narrative. Test that
        Repeat until you have enough data for a conclusion

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          idiot

          except the vikings sort of did this when they failed the trial by fire and got converted

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like they found out then

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i think the Viking conversion it's their Vedic return to Krishna

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Scientific method actually only works for science (hence the name). It's not suitable for matters that are not based on factual information. And the existence is vastly non-material, so scientific method and science are actually a really low-lvl pagan cult that worships Reason.

          Which, interestingly, was seen as a demonic entity, in almost all traditions.

          People didn't do science and technology not because they were stupid, but because it was secondary to them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reason was seen as a Demonic entity? News to us

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >matters that are not based on factual information
            so you're admitting that religion isn't real? something is either real or not, and that's what defines it as factual or not

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, because reality is not at all factual.

            That's the catch, "factual" reality is just the tiny, tiny portion of reality.
            Scientific method works only for facts, and the vast ocean of non-factual reality is out of the scope of science and factual thinking, which is called spiritual blindness.

            Actually, mathematically (look up Kurt Göedel, mathematician that killed the last hope of scientific factual thinking), provalbe facts are infinitesimally rare in comparison to unprovable but true reality.

            Facts and proofs and all that narative is actually very, very limited. Scientific method is actually a limitation.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We've fallen so far that we've convinced ourselves physicalism is all we have.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And not just that, just pay attention to how science tries to be "neutral" and "objective", as it's some kind of virtue.

            But actually, it's impossible to be neutral, as every action is intrisicly personal and has a morality to it, which shows the hypocrisy of science.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Comte laughs at us all from the grave.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Comte laughs at us all from the grave.

            saying "look at these jerks, they actually believed to me to the point they made science a religion, much worse than any other religion".

            There's nothing more dry and dumb and harmful than positivism.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Indeed, I meant it as a mockery of the current state of humanity.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the bible explicitly mentions other gods as real beings that god interacts with and admonishes for their behavior.

          pagans are right, and christians don't know their own holy book.

          Doesn't work.
          https://biblehub.com/luke/4-12.htm

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're all thoughtforms

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pagans/occultists don't say that. They say that Yahweh is a god on the same level of all the others, if not identifying Him with (usually evil) gods like Baal, Set-Typhon, Saturn, etc.
    Even some Christians admit to the reality of other gods, they are just referred to as demons.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pagans/occultists say only their gods are the real ones and Christianity is a deception
    Except I don't say that though. I fully believe that Yahweh is a real god, I just don't believe that he's the creator of the universe or even this world, so the cult surrounding him is a distraction from the truth.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pray to a god and see if he helps you. That's how you filter them out.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know. I think the real answer is we're all a bunch of morons.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which religion relies more on faith than evidence?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since no one can know God, we all are just assuming.
    So it's not about knowing God (it's impossible) but which interpretation is the closest one.

    For me, Christ's interpretation is the only one that actually plucked a chord that no one ever does in such a way. I don't even know what it did to me, you don't have to know music theory to know when you encountered a master player, right?

    Since I lived with this thirst for knowing those things, I had to dig it all up (can't do much about it).
    If you ask me, all religions encountered something Real, and you can see that by many analogies between them, but I actually believe that this person Jesus was really something else.

    I think that he really was the Son of God, and we are all saved through His divine personality, but I don't think it's different from Atman and Brahman, I just think that Jesus' interpretation was better.

    So the level of understanding and the ability to embody it perfectly, makes Him the "only" Son of God, that's my belief.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/CF5DGyL.png

      >Christians say only their god is real and all others are just deception
      >Pagans/occultists say only their gods are the real ones and Christianity is a deception
      who can be believed?

      Just to add something - the fact He interpreted it so flawlessly (and I needed a lot of time to actually grasp the fact) is not JUST an extraordinary talent, it's something else, something more that no other religion or spirituality has shown.
      It can't actually be said, it's the complete package of understanding, feeling, intuitive understanding etc, but if I would try to explain it, let's say it this way: He was enlightened from the beginning, born like that, and all the others became enlightened later in life. Hence the "firstborn Son of God" syntagma, and all the others.

      I can't understand why people don't understand that all Christian sayings and phrasings are actually ciphers...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life being deceived by tricksters pretending to be God so I'm just gonna assume that the whole thing is apart of the grand design and leave it at that. As homosexual and moronic as it all is.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough.

        I totally understand you and I totally agree.

        I remember when it struck me for the first time and the most bizarre thing that happened.
        You know when you finally grasp something new, and then there's a stream of conclusions and mini-revelations?

        Each of the fking revelations I had with myself, in my mind, was actually written in the biblical corpus of the New Testament, as it was a description of my own encounter with Christ.

        The most crucial one - I had this feeling that I never felt, I guess it's something akin to "worship". And then I read the passage where Thomas puts his fingers into Christ's wounds, falls down and cries out "my lord and my God".

        Dude, I can't explan, but I know EXACTLY how he felt. And guess what? EVERY PERSON that felt it, understands what Thomas felt and what I felt.

        Isn't that curious?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Each of the fking revelations I had with myself, in my mind, was actually written in the biblical corpus of the New Testament, as it was a description of my own encounter with Christ.

          Yeah I've had those too. There is a lot of wisdom in the Bible. I don't even doubt the divinity of Christ. I believe. As a matter of a fact, I see it everywhere now. A reflection of myself in everyone. We carry the same burden here. Whether rich or poor.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, you got it then. Even the Vedas say the same thing as Heraclitus and Sufism and Christianity: (all of) this is you. Tat-tvam-asi. You are all sons of God. All is one. You and I are the same, to the point that there is no REAL difference.

            So now that you have the point of view unlocked, everything will just unravel in your mind by itself.

            There are so much smarter people than me, the only thing I have is the point of view. Imagine if enough smart people unlock it, too!

            That's the Kingdom of Heaven.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't have to be smart to find it. It's a gift in every man and woman. Even the blind, poor and stupid. Its literally your imagination, bro. It's limitless. Although your body will die.
            All of your memories? That's the breath of life passing through ya. Even now.
            Reflect on the past. Even your mistakes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You see, that's the biggest miracle of all - everybody can understand. Everybody knows.

            Socrates was on this trail too - even the slave knows the Pythagorean theorem (because it's findamental), just doesn't "remember" it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We came from something beautiful indeed.
            That's what you're remembering. You're a child of God, dude. Never forget it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Each of the fking revelations I had with myself, in my mind, was actually written in the biblical corpus of the New Testament, as it was a description of my own encounter with Christ.

          Yeah I've had those too. There is a lot of wisdom in the Bible. I don't even doubt the divinity of Christ. I believe. As a matter of a fact, I see it everywhere now. A reflection of myself in everyone. We carry the same burden here. Whether rich or poor.

          I think what happened here was a spirit was ministering to you from the Bible and then you read the Bible and that basically confirmed that it was 'real'. Just don't get played for a chump. Tricksters love doing this. They have ways of making people feel special and then it turns out to be nothing.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're totally right to say that. You can't be too cautious.

            I was thinking about it a lot, and I guess that's the reason why it is called "faith". Since you can't know for sure, when all the philosopy and implications are taken to the extreme for the sake of personal determination, the thing that's left for everybody to decide for himself is - do you believe that it's only worth living if you let go of yourself for the sake of the Other.

            And I do believe that. Even if that means you have to die on the cross.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I guess that's the reason why it is called "faith".
            Yep. And the ancients practiced piety out of habit because they knew they were always subject to scrutiny. What would you do in the sight of men? Let alone the creator of the entire freaking universe. You've got the right idea, broski. Keep going. Never give up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus is Lord

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >74

      The number of Jesus, nice.

      I agree that all religions and spiritual philosophies all arrive at the same general conclusions but Christ is the only one who hammers home the absolute importance of love, compassion, and forgiveness.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And embodying it, and making sure to live it up so that everything spiritually relevant up to that point is covered and practically concluded. (If I had not come and spoken to them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin). He actually consciously did things so the words of the prophets come true, which is a level of faith that is insane to even try to grasp.
        And above all else, actually defined the breaking point in all the history, still relevant up to this day.

        I genuinely can't understand how people just dispute this as a church propaganda. It's 2k years!!! With all the media and internet and AI and tracking, no one is nearly close to influence reality in such a way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've said for a while that to me Christianity is the best "interpretation" we have of God and how He works and that if there is such a thing as a Son of God (which I fully believe) then I can't think of another figure that is not Jesus Christ. The level of impact a single "man" from a far away land from humble beginnings had over the whole world I think is underestimated.

      The other part to is that the way that a lot of people recoil to the gospel (I don't mean this in a condescending way) is unlike any other religion. The fact that Jesus is almost unanimously held (sans israelites), as you say, as something else is testament to the fact of how much of a chord it struck with humans. God bless, man, and I wish you the best

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God bless you too, man!

        >Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

        It's interesting to add that the notion of "truth" as in "the Spirit of Truth" or "the Holy Spirit" comes from the Greek word ἀληθείᾳ, (aletheia) which is literally translated as "having no shield (and not needing one)", but experiencing life directly and fully, (it's "a-lethe" - lethe is forgetting, but also being hidden behind it, using it as a shield that guards you from confronting reality as it is), as opposed to living in a lie.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Evan

      Bible says Jesus said no man cometh to the father but by me.. so was that a lie in your opinion or what?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at it this way (I'll use Hindu notions of Atman and Brahman):
        in a Hindu context, that sentence would be
        > No man cometh to the Brahman but by me (Atman).

        Everybody can achieve the state of Atman, and realize that he's the one and only, all along (as Buddha said when he woke up).

        Jesus' words seem to imply something else, on top of that. He claims he was not a realized Atman, but he was Atman all along, from the moment he was conceived. And even more, which may be hard to follow:
        >"Before Abraham was, I am."

        The claim is that - how to put it - the Atman itself is Jesus. Not that he embodied Atman, but Atman himself incarnated, to save all.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          never really thought of christ talking like krishna does in the gita (from perspective nirguna-saguna brahman/shiva-shakti etc), thats cool

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, to conclude - the difference between other spiritual traditions and Christ is that (except Judaism) - the One God is not personal. Has no character, has no personality.
          That's why Christianity is a Revelation - God actually wanted to say hi personally. He revealed himself through His only Son.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Perfect example of how Christians perpetually lie out of either ignorance or malice. Ignore their false claims and educate yourself on the vast lore they hid from you via book burnings, human burnings, cultural genocide and literal genocide (ongoing now!!)
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Creator_gods

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Step 1: the reading of bible.
    This you can only do by yourself.
    Step 2: the studying of the prey.
    This means seeing what bible says and what Christian larpers do.
    My experience is they don't do what It says.
    Step 3: conclussion and ignoring of cope.

    Ez.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Integral people say that goodness, truth and beauty are found in every whole/part (holon) of reality. They say that everyone's unique perspective is valid, and that the only time we stumble is when we deny that another person's perspective is valid. This is called non-exclusion.

    integrallife.com

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all of them and none of them

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look anon, if you search in YouTube for Christian compilations, you will see why everyone disses them

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus did a billion miracles, miracles kept going throughout the ages specially surrounding the saints. Lourdes being a historically recent example that is ongoing https://aleteia.org/2018/11/06/the-lourdes-miracle-that-brought-a-nobel-prize-winning-doctor-to-faith/
    The best miracle however is how many saints it produced.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yhwh is a dragon, a god of bloody warfare, volcanism, and the arid wind of desert storms.
    Sinai, a mountain whose peak flashed with fire where he gives laws that he should be given blind obedience and no other god be acknowledged.
    Seraphim is the same words used for flying, fiery snakes.
    Yhwh
    Satan in revelation is a dragon, "the serpent of old," the "prince of the power of the air" as well as a fallen seraph angel.

    it's not hard to piece 2 and 2 together.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's MUCH, MUCH more complicated than that. MUUUUCH more complicated.

      It seems like you are hunting semantic nuances and trying to make (basically a scientific type of) conclusion, basically reducing the very rich symbol of a dragon or a serpent to only one meaning.

      There's a volcanic fire, and there's angelic fire. There's a fire of anger, there's tumo in hinduism. There's the biblical serpent, and there's a serpent on Asclepius' staff, as well as on the staff of the orthodox Archbishops.

      Christ = Satan equality is a cipher, not a conspiracy theory.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hindu is the truest because from the get go God is one taking on many forms

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hinduism seems cool and good, but why then is India as terrible as it is?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at India pre-colonization. I don't mean to blame all of India's problems on Mughals, Portuguese, and British, but a lot are because of them, directly or otherwise.
        When you take a population and sow seeds of division where there was little, take vital resources and develop industry for the purposes of resource extraction rather than the enrichment of the population (most old railroads in India are meant for moving resources to ports), sell it back to them, and trap them in loans, shit's bound to go down eventually.
        There are indigenous problems, of course. India wasn't all sunshine and rainbows.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >most old railroads in India are meant for moving resources to ports), sell it back to them, and trap them in loans
          This shit about the trains happened in mexico also with the fricking gringos
          Hate gringos but not as much as our treacherous politicians and coward ignorant populace

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Believe in yourself, no need for gods.
    Don't take me wrong thought, we were created god, i'm not denying that, but this reality is made to experience doubt and forgetfulness by design, and therefore it is made to make you question one god over another. Chances are the one creator isn't even named in any religion but one thing is for certain. You are here, aware, that is all that is needed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of people threw their lives away trusting in others.
      But still, if you're bound to a specific deity, its best to not piss them off. Word of advice.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gnostics. And non-literalist Gnostics at that. God is greater than can be conceived by the human mind. We create myths to serve as guideposts pointing to this ineffable truth, but if we cling too tightly to these myths, we begin to miss the point and start creating monsters. The Demiurge isn't "real", it's a corruption of this divine reality.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >who can be believed?
    Read this thread:

    https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589

    Keep in mind that both Christians and atheists do not like what I have to say.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Christianity is a deception
    No one says that, we just want chris-chans to stop littering and diddling kids

    T. Pagan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ^^^^ He's right, you know. Most Pagans I know are cool with Jesus, we just want his followers to keep their damn hands to themselves.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Occultists are more like every God is God

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Creator is all these deities, these deities are a branch down from the Creator. All of this divine energy has a Source. What exists below that pinnacle of unity is first Deities and God, the first archetypes (sort of like the Ogdoad in gnosticism). Below the deities are just generic divine branches from those "nodes". Further down still are humans that are made with a mixture of these "branches". This is why some people associate more with certain gods in polytheism as such a religion was seen as something more social/communal.

    So it's actually D) All of the Above.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCSaeCutOpDnoDc_nS4SCQ9PljvNvasz5&si=s9hIB2eGgW9V_DH5

    624 hell testimony videos

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ...that prove Christianity worships an evil god who thrives on both torture of the innocent and infinite punishment for finite crimes. LOOSH is the coin of Christianity. Even if there is no Hell their god still feeds on the suffering created by believing in it, especially that caused in small children. Right now their god is feeding on the blood of children in Gaza, a mass human sacrifice that is being bankrolled by the world's only "Christian nation." Psalm 137 says that he blesses those who smash children's skulls open against rocks, provided those children come from ethnicities he would like to see cleansed, and Presbyterians still sing Psalm 137 in pews to this day.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just don't get it Grug! Pagans don't dismiss the Abrahamic God, he's just another dominating Spirit who's been extremely hyped up by His acolytes as being all-powerful, but "we" believe that His method of Salvation is a major Untruth. Xtians call the other Spirits (the gods) demons as they claim to have the Only One Truth. Everything spiritual they don't like, understand, or contrary to their faith is of the Bad Ol' Deb'bil. Faith isn't an arbiter of True, and having it doesn't mean that it's correct or right, because faith can be, and is, often erroneous!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You see, for you, gods are like soccer teams, and christians are these pompous believers for whom their team and tribe is the best.

      Faith itself can not be erroneous (or true, for that matter), your faith, my faith, whatever. Faith is not a statement and has no truth value at all. It's similar to emotion, it is not "true" or "erroneous" to feel something this way, instead of that way. It's the ability and capacity to have faith at all what matters.

      >“Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.”
      >"Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace and be cured of your disease."

      And many more statements like that. He knew. The capacity to believe it the highest human faculty of all.
      Having faith is totally diferent from "believing" in the common sense, like "I believe it's true". The misunderstanding can be seen in the syntagma "blind faith". So Christians don't "believe" that Bible is true (many actually do, but they are just pagan in christian disguise, you can see them all around), Christians have faith.

      There's a notion of "faith as a tool" in chaos magick, but those pompous occultists think that they are above the faith and can use it to whatever end. This is... Very dangerous for their being, but nevermind - they are an example of non-christians understanding that there's more to faith than blind believing in only this one, out of many, Gods.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To add, my claim for Christianity is not that it's the only truth, being a muslim and having faith is totally legit.

        For me, it's more like - why would I read Hesse, when there's Dostoyevsky? Not exactly, but it's good enough comparison for what I want to point out.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Deus vult. Christ is king

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Deus vult
      Zeus wills what?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both. God is clearly open to interpretation, Christ has his own teaching, Thoth his. Buddha. As long as you don't lie, and don't deceive, you're a follower of the path of God.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If both answers seem equally contradictory, perhaps you are looking at it from the wrong perspective?

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >/x/anon discovers atheism

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None, history is fake bullshit, The Pagan pantheon of gods was brought in by the Danites. The catholic church was founded by the grandchildren of amalek.

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