Chinese pressure points in martial arts

Do these pressure point attacks/healing have any basis to them? Does anyone have any deeper understanding of the idea of qi manipulation, I feel like a lot of stuff out there about this is garbage and surface level similar to astrology.

The American versions seem like definite quackery but I feel like the original Chinese system might be based on the real structure of the nervous system. It's odd that Chinese are extremely analytical, logical and scientific while also having seemingly woo woo type stuff like this everywhere, unless there's a sliver of truth to it under the surface.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hi Fren,

    Im an amateur mma fighter. To give you an idea, i train bjj/grappling(no-gi) 2x/week, muaythai/kickboxing 2x/week, mma 5x/week, with on everyday of the week 1x sparring session.

    Due to the intense training and sparring you figure out what works and what not, thats why till this day jiu jitsu/grappling & thai/kickbox is always essentiall for mma.

    Now there are still some areas that are noticeable more sensitive than others like the solar plexus, liver, leg or calf muscles, angled nose etc but for a proper fight against a trained one you dont want to be too picky on where you hit aslong as you see the opening.

    Now grappling: grappling is the clinche + takedown + ground fighting & submission.
    Here would i imagine the pressure points to be more useful (theres nothing better for ground fighting than jiu jitsu).

    Since im a trained fighter you would probably would be submitted or trapped before you even realize what would happened to you, thats bjj.
    Nothing beats jiu jitsu on the ground, lets say i would fight someone focused on pressure points, and lets assume he is able to do it on me(not very likely without solid bjj skills) it wouldnt take long for me to counter and bring myself in a dominant position to submit or submit right away.

    In no-gi grappling it is not allowed to isolate single fingers but we do anything we can to ensure our win (cover their nose/mouth) or put our belly in their face, our whole weight to their lungs or squeeze them with our guard/legs. And it is not realistic to defend yourself with pressure points as we have pain resistance and would react.

    But against an untrained person it may work, the average joe that comes for free trial has no idea about fighting and is easy to outsmart so it might work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this, there was one Chinese guy (Xu Xiaodong) going around beating fake masters with MMA, mainly using Muay Thai style.
      The best way to hit vital points is by punching them really

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The "woo woo" shit is mostly fictional embellishment, but psi-powers are normal phenomena in east of India.
      The Chinese government has spent a lot of resources investigating psi, and it's viewed as entirely normal that anyone engaging in meditation will eventually become a psychic.
      As for acupoint martial arts, there is likely some merit, but actual qi practices are so diluted with bullshit that you'd have little luck looking for it on your own without the help of knowledge from beyond.

      The entire idea behind acupoint martial arts is the injection of foreign qi into certain parts of the energy body in order to disrupt proper bodily functioning. Like injecting energetic blockages but even worse for you. If acupoint martial arts work how they do in fiction (or theory), you'd likely be dead the moment he hit you, depending on his relative strength to you spiritually.

      Pretty much this, there was one Chinese guy (Xu Xiaodong) going around beating fake masters with MMA, mainly using Muay Thai style.
      The best way to hit vital points is by punching them really

      Vital points are very different from acupoints. Punching someone in the liver with just your physical hands, and doing nothing beyond that, is not pressure point martial arts.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Someone tried the pressure point shit on me once after trying it on another guy who went wheezing in pain, to no effect.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/NFElJwE.gif

          I love Wuxia but if the pressure point thing was real there would be public service announcements about avoiding contact with strange eastern masters as they might poke you, paralyze you, and then take advantage of you. I mostly hear that it’s all garbage and that grappling, strength training, and kicking / boxing are the ways to go.

          They work but it's hard to land during a fight

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          pressure points don't work on schizophrenics.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is why I studied knife fighting. I have poor balance, and have never been strong and don't really have access to marital arts training, so I figure that if I'm ever attacked I should know how to use weapons to even the odds for me. I found a military manual by William Fairbairn (apparently quite accomplished) and did my best to memorize the section on knife combat. I know off the top of my head the radial artery (forearm), brachial artery (upper arm), Subclavian artery (shoulder, needs to be stabbed), and carotoid artery. I memorized the locations, the ways to attack them, and the typical time of unconscioussness and death (don't remember names as well, as Fairbairn suggested). Reading it really quite disturbed me the first time but I figure it's better to have the knowledge and not need it than to need it and not have it. And from further reading on knife combat, apparently if I were to attack someone I would be in like the top 1% or something of attackers since knife attackers are usually untrained people using the best weapon they have on them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I studied knife fighting
        >don't really have access to marital arts training
        Choose one.
        You dont have knowledge of knife fighting. You read a book on it.
        Have you tried it out AT ALL? Even just with your friend and you two holding markers?
        >inb4 too deadly

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love Wuxia but if the pressure point thing was real there would be public service announcements about avoiding contact with strange eastern masters as they might poke you, paralyze you, and then take advantage of you. I mostly hear that it’s all garbage and that grappling, strength training, and kicking / boxing are the ways to go.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They exist, like there are nerves on your face and hands if precisely pressed they cause extreme pain. But if you were to do nothing but look for them on your own face and hands by pressing every point for 5 years you probably couldn't find them

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Do these pressure point attacks/healing have any basis to them?
    There are techniques that can stop the qi from entering a specific limb. The result is that that limb goes limp, you can no longer use it until the flow of qi is restored.
    The caveats to this are
    >you need someone very advanced on the path to do something like that, so more than 20-30 years of legit practice. Think John Chang level, so not practical from a training standpoint
    > the techniques are really really hard to do in a martial setting. These things need calmness and concentration in order to make the qi do what you want so doing them while being attacked is very hard even for highly accomplished masters
    >the way I've seen them performed is in a medical setting and they usually also use herbs to help along the dianxue technique, so even less viable
    If you want to learn martial arts, just do martial arts, doing 20-30 years of meditation to maybe be able to pull this off is not smart imo. These siddhis are something monks get as a side-product of internal training, they don't usually train with the martial goal in mind

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chi masters have literally said that chi attacks work better on people who have already been attuned and know about chi meridians.
    Literally your best defense against chi and pressure point attacks is to not accept that they work.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my bullshido only works on people who believe in it and play pretend with me

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, that is my point.
        >bullshido
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  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk about the estoric stuff, but hitting spots in the body that can mess with the autonomic nervous system is well known in certain circles. I did a course called the Survival Pack by Target Focus Training and they focused on hitting these vital spots to put ppl out expediently. Nothing esoteric just anatomy meeting with physiology and physics. One example is using ur full body weight to drive your finger into someones eye and the persons autonomic spine reflex reacting to having your fingers 2 knuckles deep in their eyes. Or a radial forearm strike into someone's side of the neck full body weight to trigger the Vaso nerve reflex and carotid artery compression to knock someone out by giveing them high blood pressure by hitting hard enough for the body to response by dropping their heart rate and thusly blood pressure and knocking them out. Also the added benefit of a possible collapsed wind pipe if delivered correctly.
    Food for thought.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Before i did the course mentioned above my background was.
      I have a black belt in Okinawan Karate Sho Hei Ryu, Chinese Boxing, a back ground in wrestling and several years in Japanese weapon arts Kobudo: (staff, ni pan bo (2 sticks like arnis), sword, sais, nunchucks, and jap knife fighting.

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