Big Cats of England, and other cryptids

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/mammals/big-cat-british-countryside

"DNA confirms there IS a big cat roaming the British countryside"

For a long time therre has been an urban legend in England that there are "Big cats" roaming around the countryside, but since there has not been any concrete proof of them, they have been largely considered cryptids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_big_cats

But now there seems to be some DNA evidence.
Cryptid thread, I guess.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with cryptids is always the special pleading to jump from evidence to belief.
    Every cryptid accepted has been able to pass the requirement of a body. Some have more or less plausibility before that, but that is the threshold to go from cryptid to real species.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every skeptic looks at a cryptid's case through the lens of it being a crime scene, isolating the case from the environment's conditions entirely.
      UK soil is not conducive to preservation of remains. bones there only get preserved in peat bogs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >isolating the case from the environment's conditions entirely
        Quite the contrary, I remain skeptical of most cryptids precisely because they have no ecological impact. You arent going to have major breeding populations without it showing on the rest of the flora and fauna.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Declaring lands as arbitrarily barren is merely a tool for destroying those parts of the environment for profit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Better not make any arbitrary decisions, then. And where did you get the notion of barren? The claim that I can say where wolves are and are not based on the surrounding ecology and not on direct evidence of wolves does not in any way suggest a claim of land being barren.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yet all those resources disappear as soon as hypothetical creatures are discussed. All it ruins is the capitalist-made geopolitical image of your region. It's why we apply immigration laws to animals despite borders only existing in human civilizations

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What resources? Observing environments? Nonsense. Plenty of people exploring and observing all sorts of lands. It is ludicrous to say that not bothering to specifically look for cryptids is somehow having the resources disappear.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly I see no problem with this.
      Even a GORILLA was once a cryptid. A wild tale about giant apes in the wilderness, told be unreliable locals.
      It wasn't until someone from academic community actually went there to the heart of Africa and brought back a dead specimen to British Royal Society before they started believing in it. And once they had the specimen, they went only "huh... I guess they ARE real." and then went to re-work their bestiaries.

      It's not like scientific community refuses to study the possibility of even wild claims. But claims require evidence. And exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.

      The right time to accept that "Yep, this this is legit. It really exists." is when you have some proper evidence for it. A dead corpse of a specimen on an university dissection table is a good benchmark to start believing. These days, some DNA evidence can go a long way too.

      That's the right time to start believing in something: When you have something to show for it. And not just some shaky images and heresay. Concrete evidence that can pass peer review. There will be people who would like nothing more that to show you to be wrong... be ready to still convince them otherwise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There’s a stuffed puma up in Inverness or somewhere which they caught roaming free back in the 80s. You can go see it. They caught a lynx back in ‘01, too.

        They blatantly exist, they’re mostly just escaped from collectors or zoos rather than being a single native species

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They wouldnt even accept the bodies of some creatures. Had to see them living to accept they werent a hoax.

        The true hunters are often working alone, and are undeterred by skepticism - not by insisting others have to believe, but by doubling down on their work until they can prove it.
        Even things that are accepted as real can have this happen. People are still out there convinced the ivory billed woodpecker is alive - just like the black naped pheasant I showed before. And if someone got compelling evidence of that, it would be accepted.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >They wouldnt even accept the bodies of some creatures. Had to see them living to accept they werent a hoax.

          True enough.
          When someone told the academic community that there is a creature that "lives in water and has fur like beaver, but it also has a beak like a duck. But it also is poisonous, and like a kangaroo it holds it's young in a pouch in it's belly" ...they though that he was BARKING MAD! And with good reason. Because why would you ever think such an unicorn-level creature would exis...

          THIS IS PLATYPUS!
          Yes, they actually had to drag the biologists to their natural habitat to see them living in the wild, just to make them believe that "YES, THESE CREATURES ACTUALLY EXIST!"

          But, again... once those biologists HAD been drag out there and they HAD seen those platypus' living in the wild...
          They went "Huh! I guess they really DO exists!" and again went back to re-work their bestiarises.

          That's what the scientific method is all about. It's there to stop you from believeing in UNWARRANTED ideas. But if you can give them enough evidence to back up your claims, they will accept it. The keywords are "The Burden of Proof". And it's always on the one who is making the claim "This X exists".

          I don't have to prove that you are wrong. You have to prove that you are right, or otherwise I don't have to believe a single word you spout out. Back up your claims with concrete evidence.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are definitely big cats in England. I’m skeptical of a breeding population, they’re probably escaped exotic pets or something but they’ve literally caught them before

    >pic related

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Back in 2005 the authorities in California shot and killed a tiger that was roaming the hills. They assumed it escaped from a private zoo.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Big cat equals big pussy

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They reckon here in Australia there’s panthers or leopards in the blue mountains

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