Astral illusions and the Tree of Life

I've noticed that most ancient literature that talks about "astral projection" or out of body experiences repeatedly states that it is a layer of illusion, not the true world by any means.
Apparently, the ninth sphere Malkuth in the Tree of Life corresponds to illusion. So is the astral plane just a lower sphere of existence, above which all the rest of the spheres are?
In a gnostic context, where would the Pleroma be located; outside the spheres altogether?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How about if we stop mixing all the traditions together like some hippie new agers to make sense of them?
    >also
    I can't talk about the astral but out-of-body experiences are the closest thing to the phenomenon from psychology and science.

    there are some studied phenomena of imbalances in the ear that can lead to out-of-body experiences during sleep but I have no idea.
    I guess those experiences when waking up from sleep and feeling that you fall from a place are something like that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are you trying to say

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      keep geeentexting with blistering ignorance, mudlet newbie. you really blend in.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mixing all the traditions together
      The truth is whole and one, it's not a "tradition". Studying "traditions" is for hylics only.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not the right diagram

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To follow up: It's actually not the right diagram. The paths are incorrect and the placements of the symbols are completely moronic. It's like it was made by someone who glanced at it from afar a few times.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To follow up: It's actually not the right diagram. The paths are incorrect and the placements of the symbols are completely moronic. It's like it was made by someone who glanced at it from afar a few times.

      https://i.imgur.com/KIuCwsw.png

      As others have mentioned your diagram is off also astral projection is just advanced lucid dreaming

      Please avoid the tree of life or actually study it beyond EerieWeb and youtube shit posts

      I got the diagram from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6NQBUnm2I
      Might be wrong but I really enjoyed the video. Very interesting stuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you’re interested with the tree of life’s relevance to Gnosticism read https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36600764
        But you don’t seem to know even the slightest bit about the tree as you don’t even understand that Malkuth is reality as “we” know it which is an illusion

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As others have mentioned your diagram is off also astral projection is just advanced lucid dreaming

    Please avoid the tree of life or actually study it beyond EerieWeb and youtube shit posts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >astral projection is just advanced lucid dreaming
      Can you elaborate?
      I can't even lucid dream, I don't know what the frick I'm doing wrong

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There’s nothing to elaborate people over evaluate astral projection as it’s just lucid dreaming with extra steps but they also under value lucid dreaming as it’s “astral projection”
        > I don't know what the frick I'm doing wrong
        What are you even doing in the first place

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What are you even doing in the first place
          Dream journaling and reality checks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Try other methods if yours aren’t working what works for me usually is just going to sleep with the mindset of I’m going to lucid dream tonight but that may not work for you
            You could try the astral projection route which is to induce sleep paralysis then to pull your body out of it
            Lots of tutorials online I believe it’s called the rope or ladder method

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the real oh shit moment is when you realize that ALL OF IT is a layer of illusion
    from the physical to the highest realms

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The moment you realize everything is just the chaos and order of you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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