Agnostic determinism

I will start by saying, I am a material determinist, I dont believe in either a soul, or free will, or even consciousness for that matter.
I dont believe any of this phenomena exist. They are all illusions of physical processes in the brain.

but I will extend this flag of humility

I will agree that, we dont understand yet fully, perfectly, how this material world works....

BUT

anything that is not scientifically proven, is unknowable, all of this existential religious philosophies are meaningless and there is nothing of value in them

the good aspect religions profess to have brought, are just human nature, people are good

empathy is human nature, ethics is human nature, this things are not knowledge, they are not real, they are animals behaviors

knowledge is all that is valuable, and you can only know something if you can scientifically prove it

so there, I dont know everything, but I am not so weak as to need a skydaddy to be a decent person

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Pharaoh

    Good luck being a decent person when transhumanism changes muh human nature

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all I got out of your reddit spacing gobbledeasiatic is that you're a self proclaimed npc who is quite comfortable in their little box.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anything that is not scientifically proven, is unknowable
    Tell me OP, are you familiar with what an "axiom" is?

    Do you understand that if you have a system of logic with 5 axioms, and you remove 1, then the remaining 4 axioms will span a subsystem of logic that is entirely self-consistent and it will be absolutely logically impossible for the missing axiom to ever be found again?
    Because none of the axioms can be derived from the other axioms.

    All this obsession people have with everything being reducible down to terms you already understand (i.e. being scientifically provable) is ironically a failure to understand a deeper nature of logic.
    Even many mathematicians make these mistakes as well. There's a natural denial that seems to occur in the human mind, that doesn't want to face an open system. The human mind prefers a closure.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to mention after the bit about axioms, the point I was making is that if your current understanding of reality is missing an axiom then it is a logical fact that you cannot re-derive that missing axiom from anything you currently know.
      Thus the missing axiom of reality will be completely unprovable (and even undefinable) in the current scientific context.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Goddamn this felt good to read, and also eye opening as well. Thanks anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Goddamn this felt good to read
        I know right? That's how I felt when it first came to me, and I've been trying to share it but so few people seem to really understand the implications.
        It's like a breath of fresh air. Like you've been locked in a box you didn't even know you were in until it opened.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to mention after the bit about axioms, the point I was making is that if your current understanding of reality is missing an axiom then it is a logical fact that you cannot re-derive that missing axiom from anything you currently know.
      Thus the missing axiom of reality will be completely unprovable (and even undefinable) in the current scientific context.

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  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all of this existential religious philosophies are meaningless and there is nothing of value in them
    I was with you until this. Religious philosophies and existential thoughts are full of meaning, and it's through that which science came to exist to begin with. For instance, finding common symbolism between wildly different cultures on different ends of the globe, their thoughts and ideas overlap in many ways. The idiot will say it's the work of a higher power and stop there, the intelligent will pursue it further and look into how language and cultural habits arise and evolve.

    What I'm trying to say is there is lots of meaning in entertaining a though, even if your knee-jerk reaction is to disagree with it. If you disagree with something, all the more reason to learn more about it and find out why.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >or even consciousness

    You don't believe in consciousness? "I think therefore I am"? Yet you believe that anything can be scientifically proven.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I ain't reading all that reddit spaced shit phoneposter
    learn how to post on EerieWeb or GTFO

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >knowledge is all that is valuable
    Knowledge cannot exist in the world you describe. Matter does not exist in any case. Pull your head out of maya.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean honestly only a fool would think there's nothing left to discover or prove. And if there are things left to discover and prove, we must therefor be open to the idea that fundamental "facts" can change or be altered with new understanding.

    We don't even know how ANY of the most basic fundamental observable phenomena work. You can ask why or how a few times to any observation and stump the most brilliant of minds before long.

    A little humility goes a long way.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if determinism is true and we don't have free will, it wouldn't matter because our behavior is complex enough to not be calculatable. Even if you were a mini Pascals demon and know the complete wave equation for all the particles in your brain, you couldn't build a calculation engine using all energy in the universe to predict your next behavior before it happened. That said, I think entropy always increasing implies that determinism is false, because there is fundamental randomness that makes exact predictions impossible even if you are literally Pascals demon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I meant Laplace's demon. Those old math dudes blend together

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